[HN Gopher] Ever Given: Egypt agrees deal to release ship that b...
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Ever Given: Egypt agrees deal to release ship that blocked Suez
Canal
Author : Aissen
Score : 85 points
Date : 2021-07-05 17:02 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| bronlund wrote:
| What happened to the rabbits?
| sneak wrote:
| Imagine having your goods delayed for weeks as the ship got
| stuck... then delayed another few months because it got impounded
| for being stuck.
|
| The corruption of the Egyptian authorities around the canal is
| astounding.
| tomohawk wrote:
| Ships transiting the canal are required to have an Egyptian pilot
| on the bridge. Why isn't it more correct to say that that pilot
| blocked the canal using the ship?
|
| It seems like Egypt is just taking advantage of the situation and
| their canal monopoly.
| krisoft wrote:
| > Why isn't it more correct to say that that pilot blocked the
| canal using the ship?
|
| It doesn't matter. The Suez Canal Authority - Rules of
| Navigation Article 4, section 7:
|
| "(7) Owners, mobilizers, charterers and/or operators bind
| themselves responsible for any mistakes resulting from pilot's
| advice or arrise by SCA personnel."
|
| https://www.suezcanal.gov.eg/English/Navigation/Pages/Ruleso...
| .
|
| > It seems like Egypt is just taking advantage of the situation
| and their canal monopoly.
|
| Yes.
| chrisseaton wrote:
| Whatever the ship does, it's ultimately the captain's
| responsibility.
| Lammy wrote:
| > their canal monopoly
|
| An alternative is technically possible since Israel has
| contiguous territory between the Mediterranean and Red Sea:
| https://www.businessinsider.in/science/news/the-us-had-a-pla...
| paxys wrote:
| Because another complex geopolitical nightmare is exactly
| what that region needs..
| ben_w wrote:
| A plan which involves 520 nukes of 2 megatons each, putting
| it roughly in the same ball park as some of the Project Orion
| proposals.
|
| I mean, you might accidentally solve the Middle East peace
| process if nobody wants to live there any more, but I don't
| think it will be a popular solution to either that _or_ the
| Suez monopoly...
| munk-a wrote:
| Well Israel might be pretty excited since the plans take
| that canal through the Gaza Strip which is an area that the
| government has wanted to displace elsewhere for quite some
| time.
| baybal2 wrote:
| The straight of Tiran, and Aqaba are still largely under
| Egyptian control.
| gpt5 wrote:
| The straight of Tiran are open to all ship traffic. Last
| time Egypt tried to impose a blockade on them, Israel
| considered it as an act of war which resulted in the six
| day war (where Egypt lost control of all the Sinai
| peninsula up to the Suez Canal.
|
| Aqaba is a Jordanian port.
| marc__1 wrote:
| For those curious, the list of books that cover the
| geopolitics of the Suez Canal (way before the current
| one) is extensive and include:
|
| _Blood and Sand: Suez, Hungary, and Eisenhower 's
| Campaign for Peace_
|
| _The Suez Crisis: The History of the Suez Canal's
| Nationalization by Egypt and the War that Followed_
|
| _1948: The First Arab-Israeli War_
| ceejayoz wrote:
| I'd thought the ship lost power - which wouldn't have been the
| pilot's fault - but it looks like that early claim got
| retracted.
| Freestyler_3 wrote:
| Last I heard it was two pilots, one junior and a senior. The
| senior said to go faster because they were losing control,
| the junior disagreed because it would be way above max. speed
| (but a ship this big needs a lot more speed to deal with
| wind) so they argued and the captain didn't make a decision.
| Then it all went down slowly without being able to do
| anything about it.
| denton-scratch wrote:
| "Enough speed"
|
| Steerageway - enough speed for the rudder to work.
|
| There's a reason you don't have two captains on a ship,
| even when there is an admiral on board. Having two pilots
| seems to be a bad pattern.
| alexeldeib wrote:
| Ironic, considering the opposite is true for planes.
| Although I do believe only one is typically in
| control/"pilot" at any given time. Not to mention
| autopilot and flying vs shipping conditions
| redis_mlc wrote:
| > Ironic, considering the opposite is true for planes.
| Although I do believe only one is typically in
| control/"pilot" at any given time.
|
| In US civilian flying, one is the pilot flying and the
| other is the pilot non-flying (usually operates radios,
| etc.) They usually alternate landings. Pilots study
| Cockpit Resource Management (CRM) to improve
| communications.
|
| The Pilot in Command (PIC) is responsible for the flight
| (not ATC.)
|
| Airplanes can be towed on the ground. Not sure how
| responsibility is assigned. It's pretty common for
| wingtips to collide during ground-handling, which grounds
| both planes.
| laurent92 wrote:
| If you know anything about it:
|
| - Do you think the shipping culture has lower standards
| about working together, as catastrophes are less
| traumatic and thus, there is much less public pressure
| into having clean responsibilities?
|
| - Do you think the shipping industry would benefit from
| the pilots' CRM, a mandatory training introduced in the
| 1970 to better manage moods and teamplay between pilots?
| nradov wrote:
| Many shipping companies have adopted "bridge resource
| management" practices, adapted from the aviation
| industry. They do work when used but there are still many
| small companies with inadequate crew training and a lack
| of professionalism.
| RegnisGnaw wrote:
| The captain is always in command and is responsible for the
| ship. The pilots assume command with the approval of the
| captain only. The captain can withdraw the approval at any
| time.
|
| Holland America has an good FAQ on this topic:
| https://www.hollandamerica.com/blog/technical/what-does-the-...
| dkdk8283 wrote:
| While technically correct I would (reasonably) expect the
| captain to only exercise this in extreme circumstances.
| Asserting control in an ambiguous situation can be a
| difficult decision.
| perl4ever wrote:
| In the article the spokesperson for the insurer is quoted as
| saying:
|
| "It is important to clarify that whilst the master is
| ultimately responsible for the vessel, navigation in the
| canal transit within a convoy is controlled by the Suez Canal
| pilots and SCA vessel traffic management services. Such
| controls include the speed of the transit and the
| availability of escort tugs."
|
| In other words, they do not accept that the simple rule of
| the captain being responsible for the ship is all there is to
| it, case closed.
|
| I'm not saying they are/were right or wrong, just that they
| are not a random pseudonymous person on the internet who's
| ignorant of the shipping industry and can be dismissed the
| same way.
| skeeter2020 wrote:
| Isn't that exactly what they are saying? It was in response
| to the SCA statement about how the ship was going too fast
| and inadequately controllable; they responded that while
| the responsibility ultimately lies with the captain, he was
| under the guidance of SCA staff and tugs for speed and
| piloting, not a drunk teenager whom they had no influence
| over, which is how the SCA has tried to frame this from the
| beginning.
| perihelions wrote:
| The article doesn't mention what happened to the crew of the
| ship. Are they still holding them captive [0] prior to this
| settlement agreement? Does this agreement liberate them?
|
| [0] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/19/ever-
| giv...
| denton-scratch wrote:
| Why does this boat have "Evergreen" written in big letters on its
| hull?
| qotgalaxy wrote:
| Why does this post have "denton-scratch" above it?
| xdennis wrote:
| Evengreen, the company, prefixes the names of its ships with
| "Ever". Some other examples in the Evergreen G-class are Ever
| Golden and Ever Genius. More:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_G-class_container_sh...
|
| Had Ever Aim gotten stuck it would have been a lot funnier:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_A-class_container_sh...
| ksdale wrote:
| That's the name of the shipping company.
| sschueller wrote:
| That is the name of the company that owns the boat. Ever given
| (the name of the boat) is also written on the side of the boat.
| denton-scratch wrote:
| Ta.
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