[HN Gopher] Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?
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Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?
Author : Cream-Corn-11
Score : 190 points
Date : 2021-07-04 16:29 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| unixhero wrote:
| How might we help her?
| failwhaleshark wrote:
| Legal gofundme.
|
| Congress people or local representatives.
|
| Talk about it.
| unixhero wrote:
| They will win the court battles. There should be other
| strategies she can take.
| mrtksn wrote:
| I think persistence will win this one because the moral dilemma
| is pretty weak here. Unlike with the software and arts, we
| don't need to seek a funding model for the researchers when we
| take their work for free.
|
| It's my impression that it's a matter of adaptation before the
| free access becomes the norm. Therefore technical help and
| civil disobedience should eventually do the job.
|
| In this case, we are stealing from the CD company without
| actually stealing the CDs. With a path adjustment we should be
| able to stop stealing CDs without any monetary impact on the
| content creators.
| martin1975 wrote:
| free is a flawed concept - energy and time went into
| publishing each paper meaning someone paid. If the authors
| want to give permission, then she ought to seek it for each
| paper she's put on her website or seek permission from
| whomever owns the copyright. Otherwise it's theft. And no
| amount of civil disobedience can justify theft.
| mrtksn wrote:
| The situation is closer to the people who pay for AOL dial-
| up in 2021 because they don't know that they don't need it
| for the broadband.
|
| Definitely some effort goes to running these companies just
| like keeping the dial-up lines operational. Totally not
| cool to steal the dial-up, what we should do is to cancel
| it.
| unixhero wrote:
| Well dude, information wants to be free.
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| Not theft bro
|
| Taxes paid for the research, taxes pay for access to
| journals (institutional subscriptions by libraries and
| universities) so the whole paywall thing just feels like
| taxpayers are getting fleeced.
|
| Make access to journals free and save us all the penny.
| krastanov wrote:
| Some people (me included) consider "intellectual property"
| an oxymoron. But you do not need to go that far in the
| extreme to be supportive of scihub and similar entities: I
| am a scientist. I am paid from research grants, this is
| what makes it possible for me to write a paper. I am also
| involved in reviewing papers, but that I do for free. Then
| I pay a journal to store my paper (the journal did not pay
| the paper reviewers). Usually I even do most of the
| typesetting for the paper I write. Then I also pay the
| journal to get access to the paper.
|
| In this story, I do not feel any guilt "stealing" from a
| journal that did not contribute anything but prestige to
| the creation of that paper (and was already paid twice for
| it, before I even tried to read the paper).
| mbil wrote:
| You can send a contribution to the Sci-Hub Bitcoin address:
| 12PCbUDS4ho7vgSccmixKTHmq9qL2mdSns
|
| via https://sci-hub.st/
| sneak wrote:
| Send money to the bitcoin donation address on the site.
|
| Verify it for yourself as well, but I believe the address is
| 12PCbUDS4ho7vgSccmixKTHmq9qL2mdSns
| leephillips wrote:
| Ms. Elbakyan attacked me rather hysterically on Twitter when she
| learned of an article1 on my site that describes several methods
| to acquire free copies of scientific articles, including Sci-Hub.
| I tried to get her to tell me why she thought it was terrible of
| me to mention any non-Sci-Hub pathways, but her replies made less
| sense with each iteration. So I think that Sci-Hub has been a
| valuable resource, but I have concerns about its stability.
|
| [1] https://lee-phillips.org/articleAccess/
| fabbari wrote:
| I am confused.
|
| This is your tweet about the article [0] - it's from 18 hours
| ago. The last tweet from Alexandra [1] is from the 9th of May.
|
| Am I missing something?
|
| [0]
| https://mobile.twitter.com/lpfeed/status/1411543135944073217
| [1]
| https://mobile.twitter.com/ringo_ring/status/139160709025538...
| leephillips wrote:
| No. Our last tweets are not the ones I was referring to.
| pedrosorio wrote:
| > attacked me rather hysterically on Twitter
|
| The article is not the most relevant link when claiming you
| were attacked "hysterically" on Twitter. If a link to the
| latter does not exist, preventing neutral parties from
| evaluating the situation, I do not see the point in leaving
| this comment.
| asteroidbelt wrote:
| > Ms. Elbakyan attacked me rather hysterically on Twitter
|
| Interestingly you have shared a link to your article, but not
| to the Twitter thread you referenced. Which raises suspicions
| about you telling the truth and the full truth.
|
| > but I have concerns about its stability
|
| Just set up a mirror then.
| leephillips wrote:
| The account from which she attacked me is suspended, and the
| tweets do not show. If I linked to the thread, which I can if
| you insist, it will only have my side of the conversation.
| Those who know me also know that I am telling the truth. If
| you prefer to disregard what I say, that's fine with me.
| xyzzy123 wrote:
| Are you sure you weren't trolled by a third party?
| Caylio wrote:
| If you don't link to the thread, everyone will prefer to
| disregard what you say.
| crumbshot wrote:
| > _Ms. Elbakyan attacked me rather hysterically on Twitter when
| she learned of an article on my site that describes several
| methods to acquire free copies of scientific articles,_
|
| Just looks like an emphatic disagreement to me: https://web.arc
| hive.org/web/20200928010251/https://twitter.c...,
| https://web.archive.org/web/20200928011503/https://twitter.c...
|
| Also, considering the etymology ("of the womb"), your criticism
| of her replies comes across as quite sexist.
| leephillips wrote:
| Thanks for digging that up, I appreciate it; I didn't think
| of looking in the Archive.
|
| We'll have to disagree about whether her reaction was
| hysterical. She called my article "ridiculous" and compared
| it to recommending that people use horse-and-buggy
| transportation. I was pretty mystified by the tenor of her
| remarks. One of my points was that Sci-Hub could become
| unavailable, either globally or locally, so it's good to know
| about other ways to get one's hands on articles. Just
| mentioning alternatives was offensive to her. We see now that
| this was not an unrealistic consideration.
| nicolas_t wrote:
| > The website is blocked in a dozen countries, including Austria,
| Britain, and France.
|
| I'm deeply ashamed that my country would block sci-hub given that
| the current system is preventing scientific development.
| enriquto wrote:
| > I'm deeply ashamed that my country would block sci-hub given
| that the current system is preventing scientific development.
|
| Are you in France? In that case you'll find that french
| academic librarians are extremely open to this stuff. I have
| participated in some proposals to cancel all elsevier+other
| library subscriptions and give all that money directly to
| SciHub, and the librarians were always very receptive to the
| idea. Unfortunately, this sort of initiative inevitably gets
| stuck in the upper echelons of some administrative procedure
| and never materializes. I guess predatory editors have a deeply
| entrenched influence within the academic institutions,
| otherwise I don't understand how that happens...
| amelius wrote:
| Scientists should put Scihub in the acknowledgements section of
| their papers. As in "this research would not have been possible
| without Scihub".
| breck wrote:
| I did this! I encourage _everyone_ to do it! Include the Sci
| hub link with the DOI.
| failwhaleshark wrote:
| That is a genius hack. ("Genius" might be redundant.)
| kergonath wrote:
| That is a huge problem if you acknowledge using an illegal
| platform in your professional work, including for your co-
| authors. Almost the opposite of genius, actually.
| mcguire wrote:
| How so? Might not want to mention it in the same footnote
| as the grant number.
| userbinator wrote:
| That reminds me of a phrase I've heard in relation to
| file sharing and such: "if everyone runs the red light
| together, there is nothing to be afraid of".
| kergonath wrote:
| Doing it and claiming to have done it in a professional
| setting are quite different though. I am perfectly
| willing to believe that a lot of researchers use Sci-Hub
| (though from my experience they tend to use Researchgate
| more); I am certain that the number of people who would
| shout about doing it on the rooftops is nowhere near even
| a small minority.
| enriquto wrote:
| What you say does not correspond to my personal
| experience. As a single data point, in my research group
| _all_ twelve phd students and five postdocs use SciHub
| regularly. Some of the faculty don 't know it even
| exists, others do.
| kzrdude wrote:
| That metaphor backfirews pretty hard IMO, is that
| intentional?
| thaumasiotes wrote:
| How so? Everyone running a light together is the expected
| behavior if you change the color of the light. In other
| words, it describes nothing that isn't occurring
| constantly everywhere. Where does the metaphor backfire?
| [deleted]
| mb7733 wrote:
| The metaphor backfires because if everyone runs red
| lights they will collide with one another, as well as
| with those going through green lights.
| samatman wrote:
| Can't tell if it's intentional (some variation on Poe's
| law applies here), but this is a near-perfect
| illustration of the difference between a rivalrous (space
| in an intersection) and non-rivalrous (copies of a
| digital file) good.
|
| I will allow that there may be some harms which can
| result from unlimited copying of anything you want-- but
| they bear no resemblance to the collision of automobiles
| in the midst of a busy intersection.
| breck wrote:
| Courageous, I would say. More important than genius.
| kergonath wrote:
| Yes, that would fit better.
| wizzwizz4 wrote:
| Ah, but Sci-Hub isn't illegal. There's nothing wrong with
| visiting the Sci-Hub home page, nor with using it as a
| convenient way to access open-access papers.
| kergonath wrote:
| Right* (depending on jurisdiction, ymmv). Getting from it
| articles that you cannot have otherwise is (except for
| the vanishingly few articles in the public domain, which
| are not really likely to be found on Sci-Hub anyway. I
| tried).
|
| Saying that the work could not have been done without it
| is basically admitting that you got papers outside the
| subscriptions of your institution. It is also against the
| policy of all the institutions I know, so could be
| grounds for termination. And again, this could apply to
| your co-authors as well.
|
| I am really not endorsing the subscription model, but
| putting something like that in your articles'
| acknowledgments really is not smart.
| amelius wrote:
| > Saying that the work could not have been done without
| it is basically admitting that you got papers outside the
| subscriptions of your institution.
|
| Not really. It could also mean: Scihub offers an
| efficient way to explore scientific articles, and without
| it, I (the scientist) wouldn't have bothered with all the
| different paywalls to even check if papers were worth
| reading. And as such, I would not have reached the same
| results.
| kergonath wrote:
| It does not make the work possible, though. Just more
| convenient.
| amelius wrote:
| No because a scientist can only deal with so much
| bureaucracy.
|
| After a certain limit, they will go into "I will invent
| it myself" mode.
|
| And here is a different argument. Scientists often have
| brilliant moments while e.g. showering. So they could
| have written: "this work would not have been possible
| without showers". The statement itself does not imply
| anything about whether they paid for the water or not. Or
| even if they took a shower. Perhaps the thought of a
| shower triggered the eureka moment.
| Aeolun wrote:
| > Saying that the work could not have been done without
| it is basically admitting that you got papers outside the
| subscriptions of your institution.
|
| Isn't that exactly the point? How is it not hindering
| scientific progress if you do not have access to research
| that you don't pay for.
|
| It's not like the journals themselves fund the research,
| they're just getting a free ride.
| jfoutz wrote:
| I had a snarky remark about Galileo and Copernicus, but
| it's probably not relevant.
| thrdbndndn wrote:
| Interestingly, when I was still in university, I never used
| Sci-hub at all. I can download almost any paper using
| school's network (or VPN) since the library have
| subscriptions for basically all the major publishers.
|
| I only started to use it occasionally once I've graduated
| (but I didn't really do any formal research any more.)
| failwhaleshark wrote:
| Publishing papers in journals isn't about scientific
| development, it's about publish-persish. The issue is the
| journals suck-in the papers and then walled-garden them like
| they were _their_ original research when they are simply the
| publisher.
|
| Academia needs to throw away for-profit journal publishers and
| leave it with social co-ops and nonprofits.
| easytiger wrote:
| > Britain
|
| Not blocked for me at the the original domain
| dang wrote:
| Submitted URL was https://archive.ph/huNwk. It's ok to post
| workaround links in the thread, but please don't make them the
| original submission. We want the canonical URL for that.
| wrycoder wrote:
| Good to know, thanks.
| NelsonMinar wrote:
| The irony of needing an unlicensed copy of an article to read
| about a website that publishes unlicensed copies of articles.
| qayxc wrote:
| You can just disable JavaScript and the site works fine.
| Tommek wrote:
| The answer as always to those questions: No.
| asteroidbelt wrote:
| It is called
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headline...
| voldacar wrote:
| Seriously, why would you make your awesome website less useful
| for _everyone_ because a court in India wants you to do
| something?
|
| Are you Indian? Does the Indian government have some kind of
| authority over you? Are you combing through the laws of India to
| make sure you are complying with all of them?
|
| When you're operating this kind of site, why even bother
| acknowledging the existence of Indian courts, or any court that
| can't literally imprison you right now?
| NoImmatureAdHom wrote:
| As I recall, it was part of a strategy with the Indian courts.
| She thought she might win in court ultimately, and this was
| necessary for that outcome. Not sure what the present state of
| things is.
| miguelmurca wrote:
| Read the article!
|
| > The latest lawsuit, filed in India by three academic
| publishers, including Elsevier, asks the High Court of Delhi to
| block access to Sci-Hub throughout the country. While the case
| is pending, the court has instructed Sci-Hub to stop uploading
| papers to its database. The order is not unusual; what's
| surprising is that Elbakyan has complied. She has a history of
| ignoring legal rulings, and the Indian court has no power over
| Sci-Hub's activities in other countries. So why has she chosen,
| at this moment, to give in?
|
| > One reason is that Elbakyan believes she has a shot at
| winning the case, and her odds might improve if she plays by
| the rules. "I want the Indian court to finally support free
| access to science," she said. If that happened, it would mark a
| significant victory for Sci-Hub, with reverberations likely
| beyond India. Victory remains a longshot, but Elbakyan thinks
| it's worth the hassle and expense.
| einpoklum wrote:
| So what's the status of the legal case in India? It's been nearly
| a year, right?
|
| It's weird that the reporter did not find that interesting enough
| to discuss.
| oolonthegreat wrote:
| I shudder to think what will happen if sci-hub is blocked
| completely. Someone should put it on the blockhain or something
| :)
| jmcgough wrote:
| Before scihub, I was in a livejournal Neuroscience community
| that was mostly researchers - half the posts were "I don't have
| access to x article, can someone send me the PDF?"
|
| We need a better solution to Elsevier etc but the people who
| most need it (grad students living on a 30k stipend) have
| little power to fight things, and every reason not to stick
| their neck out when their future depends on publishing to paid
| journals.
| ivoras wrote:
| What about China?
|
| It's famously irreverent towards western-style copyright, seems
| like it could (well, it's a difficult "it", granted) score some
| brownie points by making a mirror which is accessible both within
| and without their great firewall.
| Jsone wrote:
| The article is blocked behind a subscription prompt for me, but
| it's implemented in a silly way that's trivially by-passable.
| It's just some js code that checks if you've scrolled past a
| limit and scrolls you back to the top if so. Anything that
| removes js from the content defeats it, including Firefox's
| built-in Reader View.
| cblconfederate wrote:
| most paywalls are bypassed with * {overflow: auto; position:
| relative; }
| einpoklum wrote:
| You can just select-all on the entire text and that seems to
| work too (but I have EFF privacy badger so I might be
| cheating).
| ummonk wrote:
| Yeah, I likewise just switched to Safari reader view.
| andyxor wrote:
| Help saving Scihub article collection (85M papers, 77TB)
| https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/nc27fv/rescue_...
| Simulacra wrote:
| FWIW I think she's a folk hero who is doing a lot of good.
| efitz wrote:
| I really think that every government should pass laws that
| require no-charge access to any research that is paid for in
| whole or part by that government, and FRAND licensing of patents
| resulting from such research. The idea of private companies rent-
| seeking on publicly funded research is one of the worst forms of
| crony capitalism.
| alpaca128 wrote:
| > The website is blocked in a dozen countries, including Austria,
| Britain, and France.
|
| In Austria the providers do block it, but it's still reachable
| via the *.st TLD. Not sure if that's an official sci-hub page or
| not, but it works.
| pmyteh wrote:
| It is blocked in the UK, but only using the usual 'good enough'
| quasi-voluntary measures that cover the bigger ISPs. It's
| accessible through my more hacker-friendly home broadband.
|
| Hilariously, it's also available through JANET, the British
| universities' networking system. So essentially every student
| and researcher in the country has access from work...
| failwhaleshark wrote:
| The bigger question is: Why promote or condone the gating of
| view access to published research at all? It's not okay.
| DaiPlusPlus wrote:
| Copyright is the law of the land.
| tbabej wrote:
| I really wonder how this is going to play out. For those who
| don't follow the current situation with Sci-Hub, Alexandra (the
| creator and likely the sole operator) of Sci-Hub shut down the
| part of the website ("the magical proxy") that is responsible for
| fetching the papers that were not previously retrieved. This was
| done to comply with the request of the Indian court, as described
| in the article.
|
| As a result, any papers published in 2021 (and some of the rarer,
| older ones, that nobody tried to access in the past) are not
| retrievable by Sci-Hub. The user only gets to see a white screen.
|
| This is meant to be a temporary measure, but it's been going on
| since December of last year (due to various court hearing
| delays), and the desperation in online communities like the
| r/scihub subreddit has been palpable [1,2].
|
| [1]
| https://old.reddit.com/r/scihub/comments/o2xb57/how_do_i_eve...
| [2]
| https://old.reddit.com/r/scihub/comments/lofj0r/announcement...
| jorvi wrote:
| I'm very confused, why would she ever have to comply with
| orders of an Indian (or indeed, US) court if she resides in
| Europe?
| crazygringo wrote:
| It's explained in the original article.
| skissane wrote:
| She doesn't have to comply with the Indian court order. She
| chose to because she thinks she has a chance of winning the
| case. To her, a court ruling that SciHub is legal under
| Indian law would be a huge win. Obeying the court order
| increases the odds the court will rule in her favour. It is a
| calculated risk on her part.
| tbabej wrote:
| She did not _have_ to, but she voluntarily chose to, in order
| to have a shot of winning this case. If she didn 't comply
| with the court's orders, I assume the chances of winning
| would plummet. From the article:
|
| > One reason is that Elbakyan believes she has a shot at
| winning the case, and her odds might improve if she plays by
| the rules. "I want the Indian court to finally support free
| access to science," she said. If that happened, it would mark
| a significant victory for Sci-Hub, with reverberations likely
| beyond India. Victory remains a longshot, but Elbakyan thinks
| it's worth the hassle and expense. She didn't even bother to
| contest the two lawsuits in the United States.
| vslira wrote:
| Can third parties (especially foreigners) finance legal
| battles in India? Can we donate?
| lhoff wrote:
| It's explained in the article. She thinks there is a chance
| to win the case in India which would be a useful publicity
| stunt and therefore complies with the court order.
| skissane wrote:
| > win the case in India which would be a useful publicity
| stunt
|
| It isn't just about publicity, it is also about legal
| precedent.
|
| In the English common law system, a judge is allowed to
| cite not just precedent from within their own country's
| legal system, but also precedent from courts in foreign
| common law jurisdictions. Foreign courts are not binding
| precedent, but a judge is allowed to say they are persuaded
| by the foreign court's reasoning. The propriety of citing
| foreign court judgements has become rather controversial in
| the US, but in England and other common law jurisdictions
| it is an accepted practice which few question.
|
| I doubt a legal precedent from India is going to persuade
| the courts of developed countries like UK, US, Canada,
| Australia, New Zealand, etc. Even though most of those are
| technically allowed to consider Indian court decisions (as
| a fellow common law jurisdiction), they rarely give Indian
| courts much heed in practice. But it may be much more
| influential with the courts of developing countries in
| Africa and elsewhere. That's Elbakyan is trying to do, win
| a case in India and then use that as a springboard to
| winning cases in other countries too.
| xtracto wrote:
| I'm pessimistic. Long before sci-hub, library genesis and
| Alexandra there was ebook-club / library.nu and Smiley (its
| creator). When it closed it was described as the burning of the
| library of Alexandria. There were a lot of non-technical books
| on that site and it was amazing. Still, it lost the battle.
|
| Ultimately, sci-hub will unfortunately get the same end. Until
| the Scientific society stops maintaining the leeches that are
| the scientific journals, nothing will change.
| baybal2 wrote:
| Don't have much hope for the legal system on the subcontinent.
| Indian, Pakistani, Deshi courts are all legendary slow. It's
| nearly impossible to win against concerted, deliberate
| extension, and delay tactic against somebody who has more money
| to write legal letters than you.
|
| Unlike the GB legal system, from which they branched out, they
| never got the reformation wave circa 1960-1970 when UK was
| trying to root out the most outrageous flaws of English law.
|
| There was a now legendary legal dispute over land near either
| Multan, or Kohat, can't remember exactly, which began in 19th
| century, outlasted 6, or 7 generations, and ended just few
| years ago.
| ajb wrote:
| Given how beneficial sci-hub is, there ought to be some way that
| the scientific community can formally recognise this, as a way of
| legitimizing her cause.
|
| Some ways I can think of:
|
| * Get her elected as rector of a university. Contraversial
| figures are sometimes elected as Rector, at least in the UK,
| because students are the electorate. However for the same reason
| this isn't considered especially prestigious by people who know
| this.
|
| * Fund and create an academic post specifically for her (Ptolomy
| II Professor of the ethics of copyright strikes me a a suitably
| biting title [1])
|
| * Nominate her to some well known prize
|
| [1] Ptolomy II decreed that any book found in a ship in the port
| of Alexandria should be copied by the scribes of his library -
| with or without the permission of the owner. The UK actually has
| a similar law in that publishers are required to send copies of
| any book published in the UK to the British Library
| wolverine876 wrote:
| What will happen to research outside wealthy institutions if Sci-
| Hub shuts down? Are there alternatives?
| cblconfederate wrote:
| Many people work at home now, even if they work at wealthy
| institutions
| frostburg wrote:
| That's not really the issue. You would set up a proxy, log
| with your institutional account... actually even with access
| the sci-hub UX is vastly superior.
| dasudasu wrote:
| Lots of people upload their research to ResearchGate (even
| though I really dislike the site for other reasons), make it
| available from their research group's web page, or in some
| fields upload it to ArXiv or BioRxiv. It's usually not against
| the terms of paywalled journals to do any of these things.
| Google Scholar or even the regular Google search engine can be
| decent at finding these PDF links. As a last resort, if you're
| serious about wanting to read a paper, you can contact the
| corresponding author, who will usually email you a copy and be
| glad you are interested in his/her work, though this becomes a
| bit impractical if you need access to multiple references.
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| Is injecting malware into PDFs still a thing? If so, it could be
| a national security matter to give people access via a trusted
| source so they don't have to go to a grey market to get their
| research papers.
|
| And I'll just +1 here that even when I did have access through
| university, the flow for logging into elsevier was like 8 clicks,
| and then after finding the paper, the button to download and read
| it was hidden on the side as an image-button, no alt or title
| text. Just an image with the word "download pdf"
|
| So yeah, I went to sci-hub every time.
| chaps wrote:
| It's ironic and frustrating that the site requires you to sign in
| to read the article...
| esrh wrote:
| Something I've always wondered is why Alexandra put her name and
| identity out there. Would it not have been easier to remain
| anonymous?
| [deleted]
| eruci wrote:
| The article about the pirate queen is behind a paywall. The
| irony.
| enriquto wrote:
| This is extremely infuriating. Alexandra Elbakyan has done a huge
| positive contribution to human civilization, even knowing that it
| was putting herself at personal risk. She's just 32 years old.
| How can we help her? Does she need money, public support, vpns in
| every country? Whatever she needs, mankind is indebted to her and
| we should help if we can.
|
| Anybody who has ever supported their research using Sci-Hub (or
| Library Genesis) should consider helping back. I certainly do,
| but I don't know how to best support her. Any suggestions?
|
| She's not very communicative lately:
| https://twitter.com/ringo_ring
| breck wrote:
| We need to start organizing and go on the offensive: abolish
| copyright and patents through a constitutional amendment--
| http://www.breckyunits.com/the-intellectual-freedom-amendmen...
|
| If you're wondering how to get the public to support it, we
| need to start spreading the truth. The opioid crisis kicked off
| by Purdue? Wouldn't have happened without USPTO. Big tech
| monopolists? They get their monopoly power from IS laws. The
| list goes and on. IS laws choke the flow of information through
| the nervous system of the world and we feel it's consequences
| all over the place.
| nhooyr wrote:
| What is IS law?
| SV_BubbleTime wrote:
| Linking to your own website is fine and all, but not exactly
| a reference.
|
| And it's hilariously short sighted. Without patent and
| copywrite protections, you'll instantly see innovation come
| out of places where people are paid for their work. US
| offloading it's manufacturing in a short sighted move to
| cheap labor and head-in-sand environmental outlook - sure,
| let's kill the design industries too now too.
|
| There is a problem with how papers are shared and the orgs
| that control archiving and release. That doesn't mean all
| patents must be thrown out.
| mbar84 wrote:
| The balance of cost and benefits is not as clear as you may
| think.
|
| https://questioncopyright.org/
| http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/against.htm
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| If going patent-free is good enough for the transistor...
|
| Do you have any rebuttal to parent's points on Purdue and
| tech monopolies?
| TheOtherHobbes wrote:
| Yes, of course.
|
| Do you really think drug cartels need the IPTO? Or that
| the opioid crisis couldn't possibly have happened if the
| opioids had been generics?
|
| Who has an IP monopoly on alcohol production? Is alcohol
| addition a huge problem, or not?
|
| Why do you believe tech monopolies rely specifically on
| _patents_ and not on massive spending power, political
| leverage, and other influencing mechanisms?
|
| Do you not understand that if you have the spending
| power, you can open-source your code and IP without even
| remotely endangering that monopoly?
|
| The reality is that patents are a relatively tiny element
| in cost of entry to markets.
|
| It's honestly baffling why the anti-copyright crowd
| believes removing patents and copyright will be some kind
| of magic bus ride to utopia, when there is no rational
| reason whatsoever to believe that.
|
| And none of this has much to do with making scientific
| papers public domain - because that isn't even the same
| class of issue.
| slim wrote:
| I think if you are a researcher, you should publish directly on
| sci-hub (is that even possible?) Make sci-hub the greatest and
| most prestigious scientific publication
| smt88 wrote:
| This would be wonderfully altruistic, but it would be career
| suicide as well.
| enriquto wrote:
| This is simply not true. The world has changed a lot the
| last 10 years. In many scientific fields, you are actually
| _expected_ to publish your "preprint" in the open and also
| your source code.
| jeroenhd wrote:
| I don't believe you can publish on Sci-Hub, but you can join
| the open access movement by publishing your work on sites
| such as Arxiv where anyone can read your work.
|
| If every scientist published their work on open access
| platforms, Sci-Hub wouldn't need to exist in the first place.
| thrdbndndn wrote:
| > most prestigious
|
| The existing "prestigious" journals are prestigious because
| of the peer-reviewing process. How do we solve this problem
| with Sci-hub? I mean, you can publish your research anywhere
| (like your homepage) already if you choose to.
| aritmo wrote:
| You can just publish to a relevant journal, and make the PDF
| available easily to Sci-Hub. As in, put the PDF on your
| homepage along with the DOI so that Sci-Hub can easily pick
| up.
| revscat wrote:
| It is important up understand that the laws are such that
| "justice" is equated with "maximizing capital", as cynical as
| it is to say, and as such any financial support given to those
| who fight such a system will inevitably prove to be gestures
| without much effect. She may attempt to better humanity, but
| the neoliberal capitalism that permeates all governments, west
| to east, will stand against her for the primary reason that she
| interferes with increasing capital. She has no allies with any
| political power, however we may wish differently.
| danuker wrote:
| > I don't know how to best support her. Any suggestions?
|
| My guess would be to donate to her. Near the bottom of the page
| is a BTC address (please check it yourself):
|
| https://sci-hub.do/ https://sci-hub.st/ https://sci-hub.se/
|
| All the domains have the same address for me:
| 12PCbUDS4ho7vgSccmixKTHmq9qL2mdSns
|
| Money (and Bitcoin is among the freest money) can be used on
| whatever she needs.
| glenneroo wrote:
| Just donated, thanks for the tip! (and for anyone wondering,
| yes that BTC address is correct, I triple-checked).
| jers wrote:
| Thanks for checking but probably best if everyone double
| checks for themselves too.
| enriquto wrote:
| Cool! Never used bitcoin, but that may be the first time if I
| figure out how to do it.
| andyxor wrote:
| There is a rescue mission to save Scihub papers, you can help
| seeding the torrents
| https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/nc27fv/rescue_...
| enriquto wrote:
| That's great, and easy to do! I have an old NAS around, will
| try to set it up this week.
| juanani wrote:
| Yeah, there's this stain of an empire that we just can't easily
| scrub off the planet. Just don't worry about it and keep
| feeding it.
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