[HN Gopher] Tiddlywiki with Roam Research like functionality
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Tiddlywiki with Roam Research like functionality
Author : thunderbong
Score : 111 points
Date : 2021-06-27 08:22 UTC (14 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (rr-tw5.github.io)
(TXT) w3m dump (rr-tw5.github.io)
| meow112012 wrote:
| I couldn't go back (with Back button) once I visited the page
| https://rr-tw5.github.io/#DAILY%20NOTES. Honestly I really hate
| this style that many sites are using :(
| jarym wrote:
| THIS. Last time I pointed this out on another site I got
| downvoted. There really is no excuse to break the down button
| and if the abuse becomes widespread I can imagine browser devs
| will react the same way they did with popups.
|
| As soon as browse nav was busted I totally lost interest in any
| benefits this app has. If nothing else it's shoddy development.
| tomjen3 wrote:
| You probably got downvoted because it was against the
| sidewide guides.
|
| I sometimes/often wish there was tags on submissions so that
| one could avoid even clicking on stories that had this
| "feature". It would also be great if I could get a feed
| without, e.g US politics in it.
| [deleted]
| adamfeldman wrote:
| TiddlyWiki runs entirely in the local browser, without any
| server-side logic - sharing it with the world is an atypical
| use-case to me, aside from plugin demos.
| https://classic.tiddlywiki.com
| brudgers wrote:
| I turn off javascript using noScript when this happens.
|
| My default for noScript is to trust sites because browsing the
| web with javaScript off is both painful and not a privacy
| improvement.
|
| Moving sites to untrusted blocks annoying pop-ups. And every
| time I provision a new computer, Wikipedia reminds me to
| install noScript.
| m3kw9 wrote:
| Holding down the back button usually does the trick.
| zwaps wrote:
| Same here. Additionally, it doesn't work on mobile as the menu
| blocks the content.
| svat wrote:
| That's the initial page that clicking on the submitted link
| redirects to. The back button seems to work in a standard way
| for navigation with the webpage itself (as it's just a single
| html file; it's Tiddlywiki after all); it seems that the back
| button is broken only across the initial navigation from an
| external site to this webpage. That's ok with me personally
| (just have to long press/long click the back button on
| Chrome/Firefox, and on Safari even the initial navigation works
| fine), given everything else that this page is doing. (Besides,
| in practice if you were to use this you would be opening the
| downloaded index.html file in a separate tab/window anyway, not
| navigating to it from other webpages.)
| fouc wrote:
| Hmm, seems to work for me here. And that's after I clicked
| around a bit too. Then multiple back button clicks returns me
| back to here. (Safari)
| diego_moita wrote:
| Same for me. Firefox on Windows.
| amanzi wrote:
| I noticed that the back button continued to work with
| Firefox on Linux, but the keyboard shortcut (Alt+left
| arrow) did not work.
| e3bc54b2 wrote:
| Heads up: The page appears editable. Not sure if that was the
| intention, but might want to lock public write access.
| rzzzt wrote:
| It's supposed to be editable, but not in the way you expect -
| TiddlyWikis are single-file HTMLs that can live on your desktop
| and are usually used for note taking. When you are finished
| with your edit, you can save a copy of the entire page using
| "File > Save Page As": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TiddlyWiki
|
| ...unless this GH-userpage hosted version is special in this
| regard.
| e3bc54b2 wrote:
| Got it, thanks! I will have to give TiddlyWiki a shot
| someday. It doesn't seem to fit my personal needs, but
| something the family can use easily.
| fsiefken wrote:
| With the node based tiddlywiki it saves the tiddlers as
| seperate text files
| seif_madc wrote:
| There is also a good alternative called TiddlyRoam, that icludes
| graph view of your connected notes.
| gregwebs wrote:
| https://tiddlyroam.org/#quickstart
| lf-non wrote:
| Do people find this graph view useful ? I have never seen the
| practical usefulness of this. I usually just click through the
| links or use search to navigate to what I need.
| grlass wrote:
| I've been using org-roam for my research for a couple of
| months now, which has a lot of overlap.
|
| The org-roam-server visualisation are really useful for me,
| since it makes it easier to see what areas have sparsity in
| them and should be expanded upon. Plus it gives me something
| more tangible to look at to understand how my research is
| expanding, there's a bigger sense of "building something".
| https://github.com/org-roam/org-roam-server
| lf-non wrote:
| Ok, I guess the difference here is that my note-taking is
| write-heavy and I go read/lookup something only when I have
| a real use case for it - which is different from
| traditional research, which is the primary focus of these
| tools.
| m-s-sripati wrote:
| Have you tried obsidian? It seems to address some points
| that you are looking for (graph, linked notes, etc).
| masterfooo wrote:
| Looks broken on Firefox Mobile, only the panel is visible.
| thunderbong wrote:
| You have to click on the double up arrows (^^) at the end of
| the bottom bar to get to the page. The sidebar (in desktop)
| covers the screen on mobile as well
| diimdeep wrote:
| tiddlywiki to me is scary concept compared to plaintext, it
| always frightens me that data becomes corrupted or not
| recoverable from from that html/js blob.
|
| But it is also very cool concept, it could be much powerful than
| it is, think smalltalk like VM inside HTML file.
| karencarits wrote:
| Well, in a sense it is plaintext as your data are kept in
| simple divs within the html file - just open it in notepad and
| all your data is there!
| bogwog wrote:
| That's why I use it with git. Not only do I get the ability to
| revert a catastrophic fuckup, I also get the ability to
| securely sync across all of my computers.
|
| The only thing missing to make it perfect would be a mobile
| client, but that's not huge deal for how I use it.
|
| The thing I don't like though is that, because it's all in a
| single giant html file, it is prone to getting huge. Mine is
| pretty big, and every time I open it (in Firefox or
| TiddlyDesktop) there's a noticeable delay.
|
| I'll have to look into breaking the monolith up into smaller
| files to avoid that.
| grumblepeet wrote:
| There is a mobile client that works excellently called Quine
| 2. Ive been using it for a couple of years with a mobile
| accessed Tiddlywiki personal wiki and it works pretty good. I
| keep the file on iCloud and can open it from desktop and
| mobile.
| bogwog wrote:
| Thanks for the suggestion, that app works great!
|
| I managed to set it up with my repo using an app called
| Working Copy, so now I have the full workflow going on all
| my devices
| fsiefken wrote:
| you can use the node based tiddlywiki and it saves the tiddlers
| in seperate text files. with the markdown plugin it saves to
| markdown. With obsidian you can use the markdown as well, or
| with kiln you can export to gemini or the small web
| diimdeep wrote:
| will it work like external storage, or like backup/export on
| save ?
| tenkabuto wrote:
| It autosaves to the filesystem whenever you make edits.
| Until you hit save, though, it saves them to a separate
| Draft file.
| loxs wrote:
| Wow, finding the github link was so hard
| codetrotter wrote:
| https://github.com/rr-tw5/rr-tw5.github.io
|
| What I usually do if something is hosted on GitHub but doesn't
| include a link to the repo itself is I will go to the GH
| profile that the page is hosted for and look there.
|
| But agree that a simple to find link is preferable.
| kzrdude wrote:
| I'm still looking for a good note taking solution for work.
|
| I prefer something with a degree of spatial orientation, i.e
| persistent physical location/hierarchy. With the right
| organization it seems like tiddlywiki can do that.
| inakarmacoma wrote:
| Try Obsidian.md possibly?
| polote wrote:
| Shared note taking tools absolutely need hierarchy. You can't
| expect your colleagues to know the way your brain sort things.
| In my opinion tools like roam research will never work for
| organizations. Especially for that reason.
| kzrdude wrote:
| I think it's mostly that my head needs hierarchy. I need
| help, to keep the order :)
| masterfooo wrote:
| https://github.com/zadam/trilium
| meremortals wrote:
| you might like Dendron:
|
| https://www.dendron.so/
| fastball wrote:
| I don't know what you do for work, but I am working on a note-
| taking solution[1] that is built around a note-card format and
| a (somewhat unique) multi-parent hierarchy system, while also
| allowing bi-directional links as in Tiddly or Roam, which can
| provide for a lot of flexibility.
|
| Full disclosure though: the way collaboration works is
| optimized to allow for very granular sharing of cards, which is
| great when you want to share here and there with a wide variety
| of people (some cards you want to share with friends, some with
| family, some with your co-workers, some with your clients,
| etc). But if your goal is to collaborate with co-workers on a
| shared knowledge base, there are other tools that are probably
| better suited which we point people towards if that is their
| use case, like Notion/Craft/etc. Our focus is individual use
| first and then trying to seamlessly blend collab into that
| experience.
|
| With that said, we do have a few teams using the platform so
| YMMV.
|
| [1] https://supernotes.app
| subpixel wrote:
| I'm using Agenda (Mac app) and still learning how to make the
| best use of it but I really like that it's built around
| projects, daily agendas and notes tied to meetings.
|
| The UX is imperfect but the structure is proving useful to me.
| It's habit now that if anything needs to be recorded from a
| meeting, it's in Agenda, and tied to the meeting, so I lose
| less context.
|
| A challenge related to remote work, for me, is that if I'm not
| careful a day's meetings can blend into each other. I've
| definitely had meetings "escape" me - I was on the call but a
| week later I can't recall much and my notes on a paper aren't
| as useful as they should be.
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