[HN Gopher] Ask HN: Any US companies who offer less than 40 hour...
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Ask HN: Any US companies who offer less than 40 hour weeks
This came up on a slack of which I'm a member. I've heard of some
companies here and there who have less than 40 hour weeks for their
entire staff (googling for them reveals a few). And I know
individuals who have been at a company who have done it for a short
time or a while. But is there a list of US based companies that
offer a 4 day work week or less? I did some googling and didn't
find much.
Author : mooreds
Score : 38 points
Date : 2021-06-26 18:24 UTC (4 hours ago)
| spullara wrote:
| Sure! All the companies that don't want to give benefits will
| schedule you for 30-35 hours or less. Search for "part time". It
| won't be programming though :)
| koch wrote:
| I've been trying to maintain a list of exactly this:
| https://thelistofcompanies.com
|
| I would love to add more to the list, or if you know of any that
| aren't on there, please open a pull request!
|
| These are all companies that have a standard 32 hour week with no
| reduction in pay.
| avip3d wrote:
| I mean, there's always part-time
| [deleted]
| brian_spiering wrote:
| Basecamp has "summer hours" - May 1 through August 31 has 32-hour
| work weeks (Monday-Thursday 8-hour per day)
| https://m.signalvnoise.com/employee-benefits-at-basecamp/
| peoplefromibiza wrote:
| Isn't it common in US to work less than 40 hours/week?
|
| In my country most companies offer 35 hours/week jobs, the
| country's average is 33 hours and it's illegal to work more than
| 48 hours including extra hours, but I know that in countries like
| Germany, the Netherlands or France is less than 30 (Germany is 26
| if I am not wrong).
|
| It's mostly public jobs and white collars here, I work as a
| software engineer for a large insurance company and the standard
| insurance contract is 33 hours a week, I have a different contact
| and nominally I should do 40 hours, but working from home I do
| about 30, full salary (nobody checks the hours anymore).
|
| During the pandemic I had no chances of going on holiday, so I
| kept working and I still have 40 days of paid vacation left from
| 2020+2021.
|
| It's pretty standard here.
| electriclove wrote:
| Not common in the US. In the US, 40 hours/week is more like a
| minimum.
| fmxexpress wrote:
| UpWork has 20,000+ hourly project listings that are US only and
| listed as less than 30 hours a week.
| tfang17 wrote:
| I run Eureka Surveys and we have summer Fridays (off at 1 PM on
| Friday) year-round!
| zinodaur wrote:
| I work at a larger SF based company (1000+ engineers). I was
| full-time up until recently, and switched to hourly contracting
| work. I typically bill between 10 and 20 hrs a week.
|
| The really surprising thing for me was how willing my company was
| to accommodate me once I made it clear I wanted to reduce hours -
| I think people have a lot more negotiation power than they think
| they do
| Rebelgecko wrote:
| Are you on your own now for benefits, or is that still
| included?
| zinodaur wrote:
| Mostly on my own for benefits, but I've moved back to Canada
| so the healthcare is covered.
| stemlord wrote:
| Someone on HN posted a link to a job board site they built which
| aggregates these companies, in a comment within the past couple
| months. I'm unable to find it now but hopefully that makes
| another appearance here!
| rekwah wrote:
| Thinking of https://4dayweek.io/, perhaps?
| kyawzazaw wrote:
| 30hoursjobs
| simonjgreen wrote:
| US working hours blow my mind. 37.5 is the normal here. I don't
| think we're less productive.
| quantumofalpha wrote:
| I've seen a fair share of googlers who work 4 days a week and
| getting 80% of the pay. Most prefer to get 100% of the money
| though, especially since at review time you're judged on what you
| accomplished, not raw butt-in-the-seat time.
|
| Likely sub-100% work time is something you'd have to negotiate
| with your managers after spending some time at a company, not
| right from day 1. One case I've seen - a guy working 50% between
| google and PhD (working on alternating weeks) flat out said
| there's no way in hell he'd get hired into this kind of
| arrangement - it was only after building trust with management
| and moving to a team with lower workload/stress.
| stevewodil wrote:
| The problem is that 40 hours is seen as 100%. If I can
| accomplish my job in less than 40 hours, I'm giving more than
| 100% by working 40 hours.
|
| It shouldn't be based on time
| throw123123123 wrote:
| But pay is not based on results. If it were, you would not
| get paid when you are down on productivity.
|
| Salary is an aggregate solution that works as insurance for
| both workers and employers to not have to do the above
| calculations.
| quantumofalpha wrote:
| From what I've seen, it's mostly _not_ based on time in big
| US tech companies for salaried full-timers. Nobody cares if
| you put 20, 40 or 60 honest hours a week into a project.
| Ultimately, visibility and impact of your work is what
| matters, usually in comparison to your peers. If you get same
| impact working half the time than the person next to you,
| more glory to you. (Just don 't let your manager directly or
| indirectly know that you're idling, that's essentially asking
| for more work - so don't complain if they oblige)
| tolbish wrote:
| > Most prefer to get 100% of the money though, especially since
| at review time you're judged on what you accomplished, not raw
| butt-in-the-seat time.
|
| Why aren't they being compared to 80% of the others'
| accomplishments? This seems like it is designed to get rid of
| those who want the 80% schedule. Has this been addressed by
| management?
| bumbledraven wrote:
| At Google, expectations are scaled for part-time employees.
| In other words, a 60%/80% part-timer is expected to do
| 60%/80% as much as a full-timer at the same level.
|
| Source: I work part-time at Google
| (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17133830)
| kcplate wrote:
| Because it's not always a 1 to 1 ratio. Especially
| generically.
|
| An 80% worker with paid benefits doing just 80% productivity
| provides less productivity value per comp $ to the employer
| than a 100% worker doing 100% of the work due to the cost of
| benefits.
|
| So a smart employer realizes that for it to make value sense,
| an 80% worker with benefits better be providing more than 80%
| productivity.
| rekwah wrote:
| https://4dayweek.io/ is a job board for positions like this.
|
| Original Show HN is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26900533
| room505 wrote:
| https://www.bsbdesign.com/whats-trending/blog/bsb-design-imp...
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