[HN Gopher] Plover is a free, open-source stenography engine
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Plover is a free, open-source stenography engine
Author : smitty1e
Score : 160 points
Date : 2021-06-23 08:12 UTC (14 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.openstenoproject.org)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.openstenoproject.org)
| BossingAround wrote:
| Pardon my grumpiness, but you know a name is sub-optimal when one
| references the pronunciation right in the title. Or maybe it's
| another cutesy pun, or an 'in-group' reference. Those always work
| out, right? :)
| taneq wrote:
| This is a great rule. It's right up there with "if you have to
| spell out your new kid's name every time, don't call them that
| (or at least don't spell it that way" and "when you write a
| comment, explain it to your duck, then delete the original and
| replace it with what you told the duck."
| simcop2387 wrote:
| Reminds me of the movie, That Thing You Do, with the original
| band name, The Oneders, or as the record producer asks them,
| "The Oh-need-ers?".
| aidenn0 wrote:
| I'm a bit annoyed because I have a daughter whose name was
| pronounced correctly by everyone when she was young (it was
| an alternate spelling of a popular name, there was a fairly
| well known actress with it spelled and pronounced that way).
|
| In the past decade though, there's a new name spelled the
| same way but with a different pronunciation and everyone now
| says her name wrong... she's taken to going by her middle
| name now because of how much it annoys her.
| aidenn0 wrote:
| It's an actual word in the English language, so if one were so
| inclined one could look up the pronunciation in a dictionary.
| deegles wrote:
| Brings to mind a certain database frequently discussed on HN...
| _ducks_
| kozak wrote:
| How relevant is stenography today, now that we have ubiquitous
| voice recording and voice recognition? What are the use cases?
| I'm genuinely curious.
| kleiba wrote:
| Wherever the GDPR applies (and possibly similar regulations
| elsewhere), you cannot record someone's voice without prior
| consent. So, taking notes in meetings or courts is usually not
| possible/practical via voice recordings.
| another-dave wrote:
| I'd imagine that accuracy is a key driver -- e.g. for something
| like a courtroom setting, I think I'd more trust a professional
| stenographer to record proceedings accurately that a programme
| that's doing automated speech-to-text and then someone going
| through to correct errors afterwards while listening to a
| recording.
|
| As an aside, I'd consider a different name if you need to say
| "rhymes with" (especially as without that I'd naturally read it
| as rhyming with clover).
| base2john wrote:
| Good explanation on the value of human captioning,
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKe1O7ppyqQ
| detaro wrote:
| voice recognition might be ubiquitious, but _good_ voice
| recognition is not, and until that changes it 's relevant. E.g.
| professional event live-capturing is going to be steno most of
| the time, for people doing subtitling on videos it's a useful
| skill for speed reasons, ...
| thejosh wrote:
| I got recommended this on my YouTube over the weekend and learnt
| about steno, something I don't know much about.
| https://youtu.be/nRp_1S7cj6A
|
| Fascinating stuff!
| Tijdreiziger wrote:
| Ha, same. YouTube must have been recommending that video to
| more people.
| kqr wrote:
| The big drawback with Plover-type stenography is that it requires
| a massive base dictionary for the language it's going to be used
| with. That's a big up-front investment unless you're lucky and
| someone has already done the work.
|
| In Europe, stenography usually works on a slightly different
| orthographic principle, meaning you still chord words, but
| generally you're explicit about each character. That makes it
| much more flexible in terms of new languages.
|
| I'm still waiting for a solid, free QWERTY implementation of
| that. I started working on one[1] a while ago but I just can't
| find the time to get it done and maintain it.
|
| If anyone would pay me competitively to work on anything I
| wanted, this would be it. Hugely important for marginalised
| groups in society, seems like it could be very convenient for
| regular people too.
|
| [1]: https://github.com/kqr/qweyboard/
| cjbprime wrote:
| Interesting! Do you know how it deals with ambiguity? I saw the
| part about using key order to disambiguate which key was the
| first letter. But what about words with remaining ambiguity? Or
| words when there's an "s" in the word, but also a plural form
| ending "s" that you might want instead of the singular?
| kqr wrote:
| The honest (and unfortunately short) answer is: No. I don't
| know.
|
| Maybe it makes sense at least in some instances to repurpose
| the Z as a plural S, but I suspect it will be somewhat
| dependent on what comes before it.
| cjbprime wrote:
| Thanks for the answer! Perhaps someone could write a script
| calculating what percentage of common words can be
| expressed unambiguously using this keyboard? It seems like
| the percentage would be quite low to me (considering e.g.
| 80% to be "low" given how often you'd have to issue slow
| corrections), but I might be misunderstanding the rules and
| I expect it would improve in English with your Z-as-S idea.
| kqr wrote:
| The general idea has been used for decades in Europe by
| people doing closed captioning for live television and
| other types of speed-demanding work. So the idea is tried
| and true, and I have no worries about ambiguity from that
| perspective.
|
| The bits I'm uncertain about are the specific details
| around substitutions and such.
| arxanas wrote:
| I use Z for plurals exclusively; that's one common system.
| You might be interested in my post:
| https://blog.waleedkhan.name/my-steno-system/#orthography
|
| For homophones, I use a different vowel (OEU = oi, the least
| used vowel sound; AE is an extra vowel sound not representing
| anything). For proper vs common names, i often duplicate the
| stroke (e.g. MAT = "mat", MAT/MAT = "Matt").
| arxanas wrote:
| Plover comes with an expansive English dictionary by default
| (developed by one of the creators, used in their work over many
| years). Its ready to use out of the box. It also has support
| for some other languages, with some other (smaller) base
| dictionaries.
| kqr wrote:
| Which are some other? I can only find French and Spanish (and
| "beginner Italian") with a quick search. These are the three
| biggest Latin/Germanic languages -- not a huge selection.
| Sholmesy wrote:
| Tried plover (with a Georgi) for a few months.
|
| It is fun, addictive almost to learn, but it would take a long
| time before i feel comfortable to write in it on the daily.
|
| I think learning it for ergonomic reasons is far more beneficial
| than any perceived speed increases, unless you're really willing
| to sit down and grind.
| iLemming wrote:
| Has anyone tried Plover with Kinesis Advantage? I love my
| keyboard, I am deeply habituated to use it and I tried many other
| (similar) boards, but I just don't feel as much comfort with
| anything else. I wanted to learn Plover for a long time, but I
| don't think my keyboard is a good option here. What do you guys
| think?
| SudoAlex wrote:
| As someone learning stenography (but with a different keyboard)
| - try it and see, however your ability might be hindered
| without the right keyboard, key switches _and_ keycaps.
|
| I bought an ortholinear keyboard with DSA keycaps to get
| started, which is absolutely fine when you're chording fairly
| simple words, however once I reached a point where words
| involved chording multiple keys from the top and bottom rows -
| it started to become a little bit painful. After switching to
| F10 keycaps [1], it made a huge difference in the enjoyment of
| chording more advanced words.
|
| [1] https://pimpmykeyboard.com/f10-flat-key-keyset/
| Germanika wrote:
| I haven't tried it, it looks to me like it doesn't support
| N-key rollover out of the box which would definitely be a
| problem. You can try it out but if you wanted to put more
| serious time into it, I'd highly recommend picking up something
| more dedicated like the "Georgi" listed here:
| https://github.com/openstenoproject/plover/wiki/Supported-Ha...
| xkfm wrote:
| This project got me to buy a full NKRO keyboard.
|
| I dislike how every system/theory has their own dictionary for
| words and in addition to that, it's heavily encouraged to
| customize your dictionary for the work you're doing. The
| customization makes it much harder to learn. Think extensive
| emacs/vim shortcut customization but worse (in my opinion) and
| much, much more common.
|
| It is fun essentially typing syllables instead of individual
| letters. When I was learning, I found a lot of mismatches between
| how I thought a word sounded, and what the dictionary thought. It
| felt like relearning English.
|
| Other downsides (at the time), was that there's no real slowing
| down. You're either typing syllables quickly, or you're not
| writing anything. There's a way to type individual letters but
| it's pretty slow, and you have to stop plover (toggle it off), to
| type normally (which is slightly faster).
| lmilcin wrote:
| I am currently working on a keyboard with a plan to put plover on
| it, so that I can use it at work without installing any software
| on the work PC.
| intrepidhero wrote:
| That's a cool idea! Are you posting your progress anywhere? I'd
| love to follow along.
| lmilcin wrote:
| I don't post my private projects because after work and kids
| I have barely any time for them.
|
| The keyboard is going to be mechanical with Bluetooth,
| trackpoint and maybe tiny OLED display. The whole point of
| this is that it runs my software and so I can put on it
| whatever layout, logic and other shenanigans I want.
|
| I already have it working as both mouse and keyboard and got
| two sets of Cherry MX silent red switches.
|
| While the trackpoint is working great, I don't yet know how I
| am exactly going to fit it between keys. An idea I have is to
| sacrifice one key completely and make it a trackpoint with a
| custom keycap (rubber red?)
|
| The way this works is that controller detects that trackpoint
| is in use and maps some other keys on home row of left hand
| side to function as mouse buttons.
|
| There is going to be microsd for software and configuration
| updates.
|
| I have not yet started with plover. I just looked at the code
| and I know this is probably going to cost major effort to get
| it to run on STM32.
|
| There is also this post from Plover developer on additional
| challenges to get it done: https://www.reddit.com/r/Plover/co
| mments/6ucy15/stenography_...
|
| I don't agree that this is necessarily a huge problem that
| can't be resolved.
| DavidVoid wrote:
| Check out stenogotchi [1] if you haven't already. Plover
| running on a battery-powered Rasperi Pi Zero.
|
| [1] https://github.com/Anodynous/stenogotchi
| foolinaround wrote:
| would stenography help in taking class notes, where the goal is
| not to reproduce the material verbatim?
|
| would there be additional cognitive load on the brain trying to
| find the right set of keys, even as one tries to ingest the
| materials being taught?
| arxanas wrote:
| You can get proficient to the level where it's the same
| additional mental overhead as regular typing, unless there's
| significant domain-specific jargon. It could be argued that the
| struggle in recording notes is what makes you learn, and typing
| them up is a hindrance in that sense.
| JBorrow wrote:
| One thing on the rhyming - you say on one page it rimes with
| 'lover' and on another that it rhymes with 'hover'. In many
| people's accents, these are spoken quite differently...
| bloak wrote:
| Yes, they are different in standard British English:
|
| hover /'hav@/
|
| lover /'l^v@/
|
| rover /'r@Uv@/
|
| The bird "plover" is like "lover": /'pl^v@/
| afandian wrote:
| Not only that, but (at a guess) I'd say think the southern
| /^/ sound in Plover might come out more /o/ in northern
| English?
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-mid_back_rounded_vowel
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-mid_back_unrounded_vowel
| [deleted]
| cmckn wrote:
| I know you're correct, but I cannot for the life of me remember
| or imagine how people pronounce these differently, even after
| having it explained many times. Is "hover" done like "over"
| (long 'o')?
| [deleted]
| have_faith wrote:
| Ho as in hot, lo sounds like lu from lush.
| Ballas wrote:
| I think hov-er and huv-er.
| cromulent wrote:
| Lover (and plover, the bird) are pronounced with the "o"
| sounding the same as the "u" in "cut" or "gut" or "puck".
|
| Hover is pronounced with the "o" as in "hop" or "hot".
| jhgb wrote:
| ...and this is why IPA was invented.
| celticninja wrote:
| Indian pale ale?
|
| Seems like this has upset some people.
|
| https://www.google.com/search?q=ipa&oq=ipa&aqs=chrome.0.6
| 9i5...
|
| First hit on Google is for India Pale Ales.
|
| I always heard the phonetic alphabet referred to as the
| NATO phonetic alphabet. It doesn't seem very
| international given that it is entirely in English.
|
| Also Russia has its own version https://en.m.wikipedia.or
| g/wiki/Russian_spelling_alphabet#:~....
|
| So IPA is a bit of a misnomer I feel.
| danaris wrote:
| The International Phonetic Alphabet isn't just "Alpha,
| Bravo, Charlie"--in fact, it has absolutely nothing to do
| with the NATO "Phonetic Alphabet", and anywhere you heard
| that referred to as the International Phonetic Alphabet
| was just simply wrong. It's an actual alphabet, designed
| to represent all the phonemes humans actually use in
| speech--not just in English.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alph
| abe...
| celticninja wrote:
| Either way the acronym is ambiguous at best.
| jhgb wrote:
| How is IPA ambiguous when talking about pronunciations of
| words?
| celticninja wrote:
| Well I googled IPA and the first Wikipedia hit (2nd
| result) was India Pale Ale, which is the acronym I am
| familiar with.
|
| The first link was to https://ipa.co.uk Web results The
| Institute of Practitioners in Advertising: IPA
|
| So I think calling it ambiguous is ok, you are if course
| free to disagree, but what I said wasn't fundamentally
| incorrect. But it seems like HN has a bee in its bonnet.
| j1elo wrote:
| Fun fact: _the "o" [in "lover"] sounding the same as the
| "u" in "cut"_ is actually an "a" in spanish.
| Y_Y wrote:
| Not in my accent! I think you'll have to be more
| specific.
|
| (both accents fairly neutral, English from England,
| Spanish from Spain)
| j1elo wrote:
| That's curious. I have never heard the word "cut" being
| pronounced without the "a" sound (in the vecinity of how
| "cat" sounds in "category") by someone who had a neutral
| English accent. Where is it from?
| cannam wrote:
| > Is "hover" done like "over" (long 'o')?
|
| No, it's not that - at least in British English - referring
| to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English, "hover"
| uses a ("LOT, blockade, song") while "lover" uses ^ ("STRUT,
| untidy, trustee, sung").
|
| In British English, plover (the bird) rhymes with lover but
| not with hover.
|
| I always have difficulties in the opposite direction, namely
| imagining how such vowels can be merged - a classic for me
| was a programming manual once that told me "char" (the
| keyword) should be pronounced care, "like the start of the
| word character". Confused the heck out of me, since where I
| come from the vowel at the start of the word character is
| nothing like the one in care.
| jacobolus wrote:
| This British pronunciation of hover https://dictionary.camb
| ridge.org/pronunciation/english/hover does not sound at all
| like the vowel in 'lot' or 'song'.
| leoedin wrote:
| I'm British, and sitting at my desk saying "hover" "lot"
| "song" over and over again. They're definitely very
| close. I say hover like hoh-ver, which is very similar to
| the vowel I say in lot (loh-t) and song (soh-ng).
| lucian1900 wrote:
| Look up lot and song on the same website, it's the same
| vowel. Then compare with lover, an entirely different
| vowel is pronounced.
| jacobolus wrote:
| I _did_ look up lot and song at the same website. The
| audio examples of British pronunciations provided for
| those two words use an entirely different vowel sound.
| [deleted]
| spacedcowboy wrote:
| Yes. It does. Source: have been British for 54 years
|
| Hover is "hovver"
|
| Lover is "luvver"
| jacobolus wrote:
| Did you listen to the audio file at the link? I take it
| the British pronunciation at dictionary.cambridge.org is
| an unrepresentative example?
| teamonkey wrote:
| No, that's correct and so is what they're saying
| madeofpalk wrote:
| It's funny because I wouldn't have thought twice about how to
| pronounce it if it just never mentioned the rhyming thing, but
| now I can't stop saying plover, hover, lover. Plover, hover,
| lover.
|
| I've never seen a title like "Redis (rhymes with "Candice") is
| an in-memory..."
| wongarsu wrote:
| But you have probably noticed that close to nobody pronounces
| debian correctly (deb-ian, like the names), or gif (whichever
| is right), or PNG (ping), or the people pronouncing dogecoin
| as dog-e-coin, etc.
|
| Confusion about how to pronounce something is extremely
| common, due to most open source communication happening in
| written form, and English being a weird language where
| pronunciation and spelling seem mostly unrelated to each
| other.
| 7952 wrote:
| Maybe we need to have a latin/binomial nomenclature like in
| species naming. So _pluvialis apricaria_ instead of golden
| plover. _mensa elephantus_ for PostgreSQL. _mensa parvus_
| for SQLite.
|
| The purpose is to have an agreed name in all languages, and
| not worry much about pronounciation. Now what about
| Oracle...
| arthurcolle wrote:
| mensa diabolica?
| chaosite wrote:
| mensa pythia?
| bdwjn wrote:
| Just don't pronounce the P as a separate letter.
| wyattpeak wrote:
| I don't think that's the problem the clarification is
| designed to address. A plover is a type of bird, and in some
| accents it doesn't rhyme with either lover or hover.
|
| Nevertheless, the parent is right, in my accent hover and
| lover don't rhyme either. All three have different vowels.
| dalmo3 wrote:
| I think GP was alluding to the drug P (meth).
| TotempaaltJ wrote:
| A simpler explanation would be "pee-lover".
| taejo wrote:
| In my accent, lover, hover and clover have three different
| vowels in the first syllable. Plover rhymes with lover for
| me. Does it rhyme with clover for you?
| wyattpeak wrote:
| Yeah, it does.
|
| I suspect it's not the standard pronunciation in my
| region, since Wiktionary lists it as an alternative
| American pronunciation and I'm Australian, but for
| whatever reason that's how I pronounce it.
| SamBam wrote:
| I expect that many people pronounce "plover" as "clover"
| if they saw it written down first before they heard
| someone who knows the pronunciation say it. There are
| plenty of words like that in English.
|
| I pronounced it as rhyming with "clover" too before
| learning that it's actually incorrect.
| imron wrote:
| And both options are different to how I first read it (rhymes
| with clover).
| SamBam wrote:
| That's how I always pronounced the bird (rhyming with
| clover), but looking it up now, it does actually rhyme with
| "lover." It's just "lover" with a "p" in front.
|
| (And it's the same for US vs British English, that is, they
| can both use the rule "p + lover" and pronounce it correctly
| respectively.)
|
| "Hover" is more ambiguous, though. It can rhyme with "lover"
| or have a rounder "o" sound.
| arxanas wrote:
| This is an oversight. We settled on "lover" a while ago for
| this reason, it should be updated.
| nawgz wrote:
| Huh, I learn something new each day. I definitely would
| consider these words to be "very" rhyming and can't even
| envision which one mutates in other accents. Thanks!
| whatever1 wrote:
| Freaking English. Can't we revamp the dictionary to make the
| alphabet truly phonetic? So many of the words have dubious
| pronunciation. To the point that if you have just read a word
| in a book, there is no guarantee that you can pronounce it.
| Symmetry wrote:
| Not while using an alphabet with just 5 vowel letters.
| Switching to IPA would do the job, though.
| TchoBeer wrote:
| 5 vowels, and then 25 more vowel combinations (e.g. ea)
| Symmetry wrote:
| I don't think those 25 combinations are enough to cover
| all the cases of unique vowel sounds, diphthongs, and
| pairs of distinct adjacent vowels that you find in
| English. 'ea' for instance is ambiguous between sounds
| like those in 'great', 'deal', and 'creatine'.
| resoluteteeth wrote:
| That's impossible to some degree because English
| pronunciation varies so much across dialects.
|
| Or rather, you could make writing phonetic but then spelling
| would have to vary by dialect.
| hoseja wrote:
| I just realized it's done precisely like that in my
| language! Never even thought about it. But there is a
| standard "written" version of the language and dialects are
| mostly spoken.
| wfawejoiweoif wrote:
| please specify the language so people can learn things,
| it's the internet
| sdfjksbdf wrote:
| Isn't that true for every language?
| gliese1337 wrote:
| Nope. Most languages have no written standard, and some
| have more than one (E.g., American vs. British vs.
| Australian English, or Nynorsk vs. Bokmal Norwegian).
| tuvan wrote:
| That's really hard with old languages. Accents and new words
| surpass the alphabets with time. Turkish for example switched
| to using Latin alphabet on 1928 and they were able to map
| every sound to a specific letter. If you know the Turkish
| alphabet song you can read every text with perfect
| pronunciation. There aren't even any letter combinations to
| consider, letters have one sound and are individual.
| KineticLensman wrote:
| In at least England, this would cause spelling to have
| regional variations. E.g. 'bath' in southern English is often
| pronounced as if was spelt 'barth' while in the North it
| would be 'baf'.
| DC-3 wrote:
| The problem here is that a vowel is split in some dialects
| but not others. Phonemic spelling would not solve this
| problem.
| yewenjie wrote:
| How long does it usually take to learn stenography? If my regular
| typing speed is about 75 wpm, what kind of wpm can I expect to
| reach?
| verytrivial wrote:
| That's a very healthy qwerty pace. It would many months,
| perhaps years, of daily practice before you exceed that. I've
| been lurking in that community and unless you have A LOT of
| prose to produce which can justify the up-front learning
| investment, steno is IMHO best approached as neat hobby/game
| that also happens to get you fast text input ... eventually.
| Else you are in for a frustrating wait.
|
| Oh, and to your question, _very good_ stenographers head off
| into the stratosphere at 200wpm+ (elite in 300wpm+) for
| extended periods, rates not really doable on qwerty except for
| short burst of predictable prose IMO.
| bambax wrote:
| I think much slower than I can type, so for something where I'm
| the author, typing speed has never been the limiting factor.
|
| Yet the idea of being able to author something at 250 wpm is
| utterly fascinating. A novel in around six hours...
| mistercow wrote:
| People often say things like "I think slower than I type",
| but I don't think that this is correctly modeling the
| problem, because it's only true over long timescales.
|
| Consider this: the average American uses only 7 GB of mobile
| data per month. Would they be happy with 50 kilobits per
| second? That's much faster than their average usage rate, so
| in some sense, the data rate wouldn't be the limiting factor.
|
| It's very much the same with typing speed. Yes, your internal
| word generation rate might be slower than you type if we're
| looking at an hour by hour, or even minute by minute scale.
| But once you have a thought crafted, it's beneficial to get
| it out as quickly as possible.
| Ballas wrote:
| From what I have read, you can go to over 150 in 6 months. Of
| course, it would depend on how much time you spend on it.
|
| My biggest concern is that there seems to be no standard for
| programming. I have seen some people develop their own cords,
| but that seems like quite a time investment to me.
|
| Another think that might be an issue is if you have to be able
| to type in different languages. I guess you could adapt easily
| enough as long as the language already has a chord-table, but
| it also means more time learning.
| dalmo3 wrote:
| Intellisense for Typescript gives you a sort of stenography
| with zero time investment. I barely type anything in full
| except definitions or strings.
| bbojan wrote:
| Mapping dot and Enter to thumb keys on an ergonomic
| keyboard does wonders in combination with this. I actually
| have both mapped to the same key (in different layers).
|
| If your IDE is good at predicting which class member you
| will type, it can be lightning fast.
| zozbot234 wrote:
| > My biggest concern is that there seems to be no standard
| for programming.
|
| The standard would definitely have to vary by language, and
| you would probably define custom strokes for each defined
| symbol in the source, similar to the strokes for English
| words in ordinary steno. It could be workable if the stroke
| definitions could be stored with the original source code as
| custom comments, and then imported by your stenotype tool.
| suby wrote:
| In the school I went to, 2 years was the expectation with
| graduation requirements being 240 WPM with 98% accuracy.
|
| How quickly you actually got there was very much dependent on
| the person. Some do it quicker than 2 years with little
| practice, some do it slower than 2 years with a lot of
| practice, and some appeared to be unable to reach the
| requirements at all.
|
| I don't really remember too well at this point but it maybe
| took me a few months to get to 30 - 40 WPM, maybe a year to get
| to 120, and year and a half in total for 240.
|
| I don't think it's practical or worth it for the vast majority
| of people to learn stenography to be honest. That being said,
| Plover is a nice and much needed initiative, I'm glad it
| exists.
| ChrisRR wrote:
| What was this course? Was it a dedicated stenography course
| or taught stenography as part of something else?
| suby wrote:
| It was at a small accredited school which offered associate
| degrees in court reporting (also degrees in a handful of
| other subjects such as accounting). I had to complete a few
| other courses not strictly related to stenography, but the
| degree itself was an associates degree in court reporting.
| enriquto wrote:
| nice colossal cave adventure reference!
| chadlavi wrote:
| Why do people make products with names that they know they have
| to tell people how to pronounce? Why would you make marketing,
| stickiness, word of mouth etc an uphill problem for yourself?
|
| In my local accent "plover" has the same vowel as "over".
| edm0nd wrote:
| Probably because the people making the products are developers
| and not concerned about or aware of such things.
| pony_sheared wrote:
| Developers, rhymes with interlopers
| DrOctagon wrote:
| Think Danny Glover and that's how most Australians would
| pronounce it.
| jonathankoren wrote:
| I need to launch a product with an ambiguous pronunciation, and
| then "helpfully" suggest a heteronym as a guide.
| MaysonL wrote:
| I heard three pronunciations of "Wacom" yesterday and I'm
| still not sure if there's an official one and if so, which it
| is (if it's not a fourth).
| sombremesa wrote:
| Not really a good comparison (if we're talking about
| choosing a pronounceable name when incorporating) because
| the pronunciation is not at all ambiguous* (wakomu) in the
| original language, and the country it was founded in mostly
| uses that language.
|
| * - while the wakomu part is not ambiguous, you can
| technically choose to pronounce the rest of the word (Zhu
| Shi Hui She ) differently - since these characters have
| multiple pronunciations - though choosing to do that would
| be considered a very strange thing to do in this context,
| since its otherwise got a standard pronunciation.
| BitwiseFool wrote:
| They have these birds called Plovers in California and that's
| the pronunciation (puh-lover) I immediately went to.
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_golden_plover
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| turtlebits wrote:
| There is a bird called a plover with the same pronunciation.
| I'm guessing this product is named after it.
| jwithington wrote:
| "Check out this open-source project!"
|
| HN: "OK, but how do you feel about dipthongs?"
| jarmitage wrote:
| Mirabai Knight's talk about this is one of my all time faves:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpv-Qb-dB6g
|
| Inspired me to try to create a live coding musical instrument
| based on it: https://github.com/jarmitage/stenophone /
| https://iclc.toplap.org/2017/cameraReady/stenophone_camready...
| wpietri wrote:
| For those who just want to see what doing stenography is like,
| there's a demo here that works with compatible keyboards:
| http://www.openstenoproject.org/demo/
| s_dev wrote:
| When I hear Plover I think Mark Jason Dominus.
| mjd wrote:
| I offered the Open Steno folks a subdomain of plover.com, so
| they could set up a redirect or something, but Mirabai said
| they didn't need it.
| nxpnsv wrote:
| My keyboard is supported! Never tried stenography, so I hopped to
| http://qwertysteno.com and tried the tutorial - it makes sense,
| but has a steep learning curve - you certainly need a lot
| practice more than the 5 minutes I gave it.
|
| I wonder if something like this for programming rather than
| writing is feasible, and if one then could code at the speed of
| thought.
| fouronnes3 wrote:
| I mean, the speed of code is something like 10 lines per hour
| for good code... Sometimes less or even negative so I'm pretty
| sure the input method is not the bottleneck. That said I still
| use Vi mode in vs code so maybe there is something to it.
| bbojan wrote:
| But to do that, you often have to navigate through thousands
| of lines, and you use the keyboard for that, too.
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