[HN Gopher] Mouse research identifies new types of neurons in th...
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Mouse research identifies new types of neurons in the "gut brain"
(2020)
Author : truth_
Score : 60 points
Date : 2021-06-21 20:00 UTC (3 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (www.popularmechanics.com)
| cryptica wrote:
| This gives new meaning to the phrases "I have a gut feeling" and
| "Trust your gut."
| UncleOxidant wrote:
| Cool, then if they know how it works they'll be able to fix my
| IBS, right?
|
| I don't think they know how it works yet, nor did I read any
| details in that article that would make me think that they had it
| all figured out.
| malexw wrote:
| Has your health care practitioner suggested a probiotic of
| lactobacillus plantarum (specifically Lp299v)? This study
| published in February of 2021[1] suggests it can significantly
| reduce symptoms when taken daily over a multi-month period.
| Perhaps something to discuss with the doc if you haven't.
|
| [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33556972/
| wayneftw wrote:
| I changed my diet and my stress level. Eat at regular times,
| learn to let go (it helps to see the big picture and remember
| that you'll be dead before long) and add some probiotics to
| your gut. Eating lots of Kimchi and Kombucha helped almost
| immediately. I'm sure you can find lots of similar advice on
| the web.
| sharadov wrote:
| Yoghurt is great too.
| TedDoesntTalk wrote:
| Try also Visbiome unflavored. 450 billion bacteria per
| packet. It's expensive so I only take 1 packet per week.
| yellow_lead wrote:
| No, they still don't. I went to a GI doctor recently with the
| complaint that I can't consume caffeine, or oily foods anymore
| without stomach issues. He prescribed a GI antibiotic to "try."
| Nothing has changed but I'm a bit poorer.
| treeman79 wrote:
| Oily food issue. Was having that. Ended up being pancreatitis,
| which itself was an early symptom of autoimmune disease
| dlsa wrote:
| I'd go to a different doctor. Antibiotics always require a
| reason involving something bacterial. There is no "try".
|
| Example case in point: antibiotics can mess up a healthy person
| and induce stomach issues.
| treeman79 wrote:
| I had a mystery illness. I kept a 4 page sheet of symptoms
| and what helped hurt.
|
| One doctor read though it and correctly diagnosed the mystery
| illness. (Sjogrens) Later verified.
|
| Turned out the line that caught his attention was that
| symptoms always eased up when I took doxicyline. This 80 year
| old doctor had seen that enough to pick out the illness.
|
| There is some minimal research into the topic but in general
| it's a taboo subject and no doctor will consider a round as a
| test to see if it will help.
| jschveibinz wrote:
| Scientists: We are studying gut neurons.
|
| Marketing: What are neurons?
|
| Scientists: They are cells in our nervous systems, such as the
| brain.
|
| Marketing: guts have brains?
|
| Scientists: well, I wouldn't...
|
| Marketing: never mind, we got this...
| rcxdude wrote:
| The analogy is more apt than saying e.g. your leg has a brain
| due to the nerves in it. The nervous system in the gut has a
| lot of neurons in it (the human gut has about as many as a
| cat's brain), and they are not just simple sensory or motor
| neurons relaying information, many are at least similar to the
| kind of 'decision-making' neurons you find in the brain.
| meristem wrote:
| I knew my gut liked lasers and catnip for a reason.
| c7DJTLrn wrote:
| It's not marketing, but clickbait media watering down science
| that can't really be watered down.
| stenl wrote:
| Cool. Ulrika's office is across from mine, and this is a more
| extensive follow-up of work we did together in 2018 to map neuron
| types in the gut (and in the whole nervous system). I'm pretty
| sure Ulrika wouldn't claim to know how the ENS works (nor do I)
| but having the parts list is incredibly important. For example,
| it enables genetic manipulation to delete cell types or activate
| them on-demand using light. Those things are what will lead to
| understanding how the system works.
| [deleted]
| nemo44x wrote:
| How does this effect people who have had a full or partial
| colectomy? Is this tied to the large, small, or both?
| [deleted]
| abnry wrote:
| Just change the "hey" to "heyy there" to make the headline even
| more ridiculous.
| newsbinator wrote:
| This headline needs a "lol" or a "rofl" appended for maximum
| effect.
| 2bitencryption wrote:
| There's a Second Brain in your Gut and I can't even
| metalman wrote:
| Gut brain or enteric brain There are neural nodes throughout your
| ,ya you,body. Bunch around your spine. And the ones around you
| gut,that have the same number of neurons as a cat. That inner
| voice is real baby.
| [deleted]
| thebean11 wrote:
| no they don't
| [deleted]
| blakesterz wrote:
| Is there some kind of "law of headlines" that states most
| headlines dealing with breakthroughs in health always end with
| "In Mice"? If not, there should be. This study shows how it
| works... in mice:
|
| https://www.nature.com/articles/s41593-020-00736-x
|
| I'm not trying to dismiss things, just seems important to note
| this is from work done on mice, not people.
|
| "Hey, There's a Second Brain in Your Gut And now scientists know
| how it works In Mice" still sounds ok to me.
| dang wrote:
| We've attempted to replaced that wretched title with something
| serviceable. The entire article is dreadful, including what
| they've done with links, but I wasn't able to find a better
| third-party source.
| _Microft wrote:
| That's a common problem and there's even a Twitter account
| dedicated to calling that out:
|
| https://mobile.twitter.com/justsaysinmice
| yorwba wrote:
| Even that doesn't seem to be accurate:
|
| _"Using extensive co-staining with established markers, they
| were able to relate the twelve neuron classes to previously
| discovered molecular characteristics of functional enteric
| neuron types, thus classifying the ENCs into excitatory and
| inhibitory motor neurons, interneurons, and intrinsic primary
| afferent neurons."_
|
| _With a sharper protocol and new information, the researchers
| were able to confirm and expand on the existing body of ENS
| neuron knowledge. And now they can work on finding out what
| each of the 12 ENS neuron types is responsible for, they say._
|
| Which sounds less like "now scientists know how it works in
| mice" and more like "now scientists know more about the
| different cell types it contains in mice."
| allturtles wrote:
| As long as we're complaining about the title, can I register my
| dislike of the pointless "Hey,"? I guess this is supposed to
| make science reporting seem more casual and approachable?
| avaldes wrote:
| "Your gut has a brain... AND THATS A GOOD THING"
| jl6 wrote:
| No, it's an "engagement hack" to increase clickthrough rates.
| frogpelt wrote:
| I want to complain too. I found this sentence in the article:
| "The gut brain greatly affects on how you body works."
|
| I have trouble reading articles with obvious errors in them.
| The writer probably gets paid very little and I doubt there's
| an editor. But I expect more, I guess.
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