[HN Gopher] Supreme Court rules against NCAA in compensation fig...
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Supreme Court rules against NCAA in compensation fight with college
athletes
Author : shivbhatt
Score : 24 points
Date : 2021-06-21 15:43 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| dzonga wrote:
| good thing, that form of legal slavery and exploitation is
| getting taken down. college coaches and assistants and athletic
| directors make a killing. and what do the students get ? meals ?
| while the superstars surely get cars and maybe 100k of cash. But
| that ain't enough. Run the bill up. Pay up. While at it, they
| should cut down the salaries of admins and increase pay for
| adjunct professors.
| runbathtime wrote:
| If there was anyone else left that thought Universities were
| about education this should wake them up.
|
| Sports are fun, but they are not the purpose of higher
| learning. Why are people worshiping these athletes and so
| obsessed with NCAA? They already get a bunch of free stuff from
| the University. They want to make money, go play pro at 18.
| Universities are not for profit, or they aren't supposed to be,
| so they should not be getting paid.
| CarelessExpert wrote:
| > Universities are not for profit, or they aren't supposed to
| be, so they should not be getting paid.
|
| I don't know what country you're from, but in the US many
| colleges and universities are _absolutely_ private, for-
| profit institutions.
|
| You might have a personal, ethical disagreement with that,
| but it doesn't change the reality of the situation.
|
| In fact, I'll bet most of the major, well-known institutions
| you can think of--MIT, Princeton, Brown, NYU, etc--are
| private, and for-profit.
| kelnos wrote:
| More interesting, I think, is the critique given by Kavanaugh
| regarding the NCAA's business model in general: condemning the
| idea of making billions in revenue off of essentially
| uncompensated student-athlete labor. It's nice to see the court
| recognize that the entire thing is exploitative.
|
| I'm tired of the argument that it gives the students exposure to
| pro league recruiting. Just because they are students, it doesn't
| mean they shouldn't be directly compensated for their work (and
| the NCAA wants to even bar them from forms of indirect
| compensation!). When it comes to the idea of employment as an
| athlete, the NCAA is not materially different from, say, the NBA.
| runbathtime wrote:
| Are athletes students or are they employees? I would bet that
| none of these athletes are paying tuition and have special
| privileges in regard to course work so they trade this for
| that, playing for the school. Let's just stop pretending that
| they care about getting a degree and revoke their student
| status. They can be full time employees if they want to get
| paid.
| CarelessExpert wrote:
| > Are athletes students or are they employees?
|
| They are absolutely not classified as employees, and it's not
| by the choice of the players, it's the policy of both the
| NCAA and the individual colleges, a position they've defended
| in court:
|
| https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-
| compliance/...
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| https://www.huffpost.com/entry/college-football-
| players-_1_b...
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| > I would bet that none of these athletes are paying tuition
| and have special privileges in regard to course work so they
| trade this for that
|
| And the NCAA has put a large number of restrictions on what
| kind of compensation can be offered, which is precisely what
| this court case is about.
|
| Unfortunately for the NCAA, the courts finally figured out
| they're illegally leveraging their position as a monopsony
| and colleges must be allowed greater latitude in providing
| additional benefits.
|
| > Let's just stop pretending that they care about getting a
| degree and revoke their student status. They can be full time
| employees if they want to get paid.
|
| I'm sure a lot of players would love that. As full-time
| employees they'd be eligible for things like minimum wage and
| employment benefits, among many other things, that they're
| currently cheated out of because of the NCAA's position that
| these athletes are students and not employees.
| thricegr8 wrote:
| Citations Needed just had a great episode on this [1].
|
| [1] https://citationsneeded.medium.com/episode-136-the-
| ungratefu...
| Zimahl wrote:
| Just going to throw some knowledge in here before we get too many
| people lamenting that college should be about education and how
| money could be better spent elsewhere. Most universities pay for
| their athletics programs through tickets to events, money from
| wealthy donors, and sponsorships. In most cases, if you took away
| the athletics from a university you'd just be removing a source
| of entertainment for students, alumni, and fans. For most, there
| would be a net zero change in how much is spent on the
| university.
|
| Another thing to remember is that 99% of all student athletes are
| never even going to sniff being a professional athlete. Most
| don't even really have professional leagues they can join. These
| athletes are getting a huge opportunity to get college paid for
| and, hopefully, gain an education that benefits them later.
|
| The outliers - like Alabama, Miami, USC, Notre Dame, etc. - are
| just that. They make millions and reap those rewards at the
| expense of the smaller schools who can't keep up with the
| Joneses. This ruling, even though it is fair to athletes, will
| have major repercussions on the state of college sports, and
| without a major overhaul of the system we will see cutbacks in
| many programs as we saw when Title IX - another fair ruling -
| went into effect.
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