[HN Gopher] Amaya
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Amaya
Author : Tomte
Score : 44 points
Date : 2021-06-17 13:32 UTC (9 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.w3.org)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.w3.org)
| marcodiego wrote:
| This one is abandoned but Mozilla composer still lives on.
| badsectoracula wrote:
| Does it? AFAIK it is only Seamonkey Composer that still is
| under a mostly actively developed project but even that is
| maintained mainly because of its shared code with the HTML
| editing component for the email client.
|
| (there is also the equivalent component of Thunderbird but
| AFAIK that isn't available in any HTML editor)
| jordemort wrote:
| I vaguely remember trying this out, back in the days of Frontpage
| and dialup, before I settled on Notepad for editing HTML. I'm a
| little surprised that it was a going concern all the way up to
| 2012, and a little disappointed that it didn't keep going. Is
| anyone still working on WYSIWYG HTML editors, or is the segment
| completely dead?
| bawolff wrote:
| Lots of visual editors on websites (e.g. wikipedia's editor)
| are really wysiwyg html editors for some specific subset of
| html (often using the browsers built in content-editable
| feature)
| badsectoracula wrote:
| There are some tools but most of them tend to be of the "edit
| visually, export to HTML" variety which, TBH, makes a bit more
| sense since pure HTML doesn't have enough information for
| keeping track of repeated elements and the structure of an
| entire site. Even tools back in the day when WYSIWYG was way
| more popular that worked with HTML directly tended to use
| custom tags and attributes for additional metadata.
| c-smile wrote:
| > Is anyone still working on WYSIWYG HTML editors?
|
| Yep, I do time to time: https://html-notepad.com/ ( based on my
| Sciter Engine https://sciter.com )
|
| It is almost impossible (mathematically speaking) to create
| reasonable WYSIWYG _HTML and CSS_ editor.
|
| So bad news for anyone looking for WYSIWYG editor to create
| meaningful web site from scratch using _solely_ WYSIWYG.
|
| For web site creation the only reasonable option is wizard
| approach - assembling site from predefined and prestyled
| blocks.
|
| But, it is perfectly possible to create WYSIWYG _HTML_ editor -
| editor that helps us to create and edit structured text -
| content portions of sites. That deals with pure HTML, styling
| is applied to that HTML at the point of content insertion.
| pavlov wrote:
| There are many products in the WYSIWYG HTML editing space.
| Webflow is valued at $2B and started out as a Show HN post
| around 2013, IIRC.
| arkitaip wrote:
| The biggest surprise to me is that Dreamweaver is still alive
| and kicking.
| [deleted]
| DonHopkins wrote:
| To be honest, they should call it Nightmarecleaver.
| 1-more wrote:
| I've never used a better tool for imagemaps but then
| again that's the only one I've ever used.
| gnufx wrote:
| The point of Amaya to me wasn't so much WYSIWYG HTML -- where
| "HTML" should probably be in scare quotes in most instances of
| such things. It was an actual SGML editor, respecting the DTD
| (like Emacs PSGML in that regard). I don't remember to what
| extent it was -- or could have been -- a general SGML editor
| with arbitrary DTDs. I also used it as a browser at one stage,
| but it was rather unstable then.
| dunham wrote:
| I remember that there was a general SGML editor called Thot
| (from INRIA) that it was built on. I was interested in
| generic SGML/XML editors at the time.
|
| Aside from that, I think that Amaya was also used to provide
| a sample implementation of new/proposed web technologies.
| It's been a long time though and my memory is fuzzy.
| gnufx wrote:
| Ah, yes; it was a long time ago -- and a somewhat simpler
| time. Plenty of good stuff comes from INRIA.
| hasitseth wrote:
| Mac's iWeb was one of the best. It created slow but beautiful
| website's using SVG objects. Apple killed iWeb in 2011.
| [deleted]
| Brendinooo wrote:
| Did this ever have any kind of traction? I remember screwing with
| it as a kid but it always seemed limited and no one ever really
| talked about working with it.
| bartread wrote:
| I remember downloading it at my first job back in 2000 or 2001
| but I didn't make much use of it. Even back then there were
| plenty of alternatives available. I seem to remember that I
| made quite heavy use of XEmacs for editing HTML and XML files
| back then, as well as Netscape Composer and Cooktop XML.
| fillskills wrote:
| Wow, how fast does this site load!
| dominicjj wrote:
| Image is less than 50k and the content including style sheet is
| 10k. No js, no frameworks, no CDN callouts.
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