[HN Gopher] Bear plus snowflake equals polar bear
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Bear plus snowflake equals polar bear
Author : soopurman
Score : 90 points
Date : 2021-06-16 15:35 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| amarshall wrote:
| Relatedly, I've always rather enjoyed the talk "Love Hotels &
| Unicode"[1]
|
| [1]
| https://web.archive.org/web/20120404020043/http://www.reignd...
| littlestymaar wrote:
| Only tangentially related, but it's a question that have bothered
| me for a while: Is there a reason why composite Math symbol
| aren't part of Unicode? Things like series, limits or integrals
| look like a really good fit for this kind of composition, and you
| could get rid of mathjax for 80% of its usage.
| 1-more wrote:
| I gotta think it's because all the math you mention cannot
| render within a normal line height. That's not the end of the
| world for rendering, but maybe that counts as a bridge too far
| in Unicode? Or maybe it just boils down to "because it doesn't
| yet" and as soon as someone makes a good proposal it'll happen
| duskwuff wrote:
| 1) Combining emoji compose into a finite and reasonably small
| set of combined symbols. The set of mathematical formulas isn't
| finite in the same kind of way.
|
| 2) Layout of mathematical formulas is reasonably complicated.
| It doesn't make sense to force that complexity to be included
| in every text layout engine.
| neolog wrote:
| There is a proposal by the Julia language team
|
| https://github.com/stevengj/subsuper-proposal
| initplus wrote:
| I guess the question is how much typesetting do you want to
| stick into unicode? It works OK for emoji because the resutls
| are always simple: it's just another individual emoji, with the
| same size & characteristics as the original.
|
| That said unicode is not free from typesetting weirdness, see
| the character [?].
| tialaramex wrote:
| This is definitely an example where "character" was the wrong
| word. We start out OK with bytes being distinct, but by the end
| we're talking about how a character is made out of several
| characters. If we think in terms of code points (Rust's native
| char type actually provides here a slightly different thing, a
| Unicode Scalar Value, which certain types of code point are not,
| but close enough) clearly a code point isn't made out of several
| code points, so we needed a different word.
|
| I like squiggle, if you're a text rendering engine you might want
| to use "glyph" although you might already need that word for
| something else. But try to avoid character because that word
| already has far too many meanings, most of which won't be what
| you wanted.
| dukeofdoom wrote:
| Emojis need more serious attention. A lot of online conflicts
| start from miscommunication due to lack of facial expressions. To
| the point thats its driving a social crisis and division in the
| real world.
| adamrezich wrote:
| truly hate how much additional complexity this emoji bullshit has
| added to unicode
| pkulak wrote:
| I'm on Linux right now and, sadly, couldn't see the magic
| character properly. :(
|
| Anyone know if I'm missing anything, or is there no support for
| 13.1 yet? My standard routine is to just install every noto font
| I can find (noto-fonts noto-fonts-cjk noto-fonts-emoji noto-
| fonts-extra).
| littlestymaar wrote:
| Works here on a fresh (yesterday) Linux Mint install.
| merlinscholz wrote:
| Same on fresh, stock openSUSE Tumbleweed with Gnome 40
| xwx wrote:
| It works for me with Firefox on NixOS using Noto Color Emoji,
| from, I'm assuming, noto-fonts-emoji.
| pgn674 wrote:
| If you want to see how an emoji will render on various platforms,
| or generally search what's available, Emojipedia is good for
| that: https://emojipedia.org/kiss-woman-woman-medium-dark-skin-
| ton...
| asciimike wrote:
| This reminds me of a blog post that I can no longer remember that
| discusses how Chinese is a lot of arranging several related kanji
| into a single character to express a new idea (please link it if
| you can find it).
|
| I would love to see unicode characters to allow for arbitrary
| combinations beyond those defined using just ZWJ to allow more
| flexibility (e.g. blizzard could be created by adding like
| "slowflake x 5" which creates a single character with five
| snowflakes, without having to create an entirely new character
| representing blizzard from snowflake + ZWJ + snowflake).
|
| As an aside, my favorite ZWJ magic is black flag + ZWJ + skull
| and crossbones = pirate flag.
|
| Also see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blissymbols for more
| symbol language fun.
| Kronopath wrote:
| I think you mean this article on "Yingzi":
| http://www.zompist.com/yingzi/yingzi.htm
| alisonatwork wrote:
| The notion that Chinese characters describe ideas that are
| formed from smaller characters that also describe ideas is a
| nice story, but it's not really the case for the majority of
| Chinese characters. See the Wikipedia page, Principles of
| formation section[0].
|
| Many Chinese characters are constructed with two parts of
| smaller characters, one of which can indicate a general concept
| while the other provides a vague pronunciation hint. This isn't
| really good enough to provide you with enough information to
| guess at either the meaning or the pronunciation if you don't
| already know the word, but if you do already know the word from
| spoken language, then the hints might be enough to recognize
| the character when you read it too.
|
| [0]
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_characters#Principles_...
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