[HN Gopher] DraftKings: a $21B SPAC betting it can hide its blac...
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       DraftKings: a $21B SPAC betting it can hide its black market
       operations
        
       Author : samizdis
       Score  : 148 points
       Date   : 2021-06-15 12:43 UTC (10 hours ago)
        
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       | clusterhacks wrote:
       | Maybe companies that went public via SPAC are going to become
       | attractive targets for short sellers? I know Matt Levine has been
       | writing about how SPACs can market their "upside" without the
       | normal scrutiny that an IPO would bring.
       | 
       | Any of our HN readers playing around with shorting the stock of
       | public companies as an individual investor?
        
         | gregwebs wrote:
         | Shorting is a more time consuming investment approach. You need
         | high conviction to open a PUT without owning a CALL or the
         | stock as well.
         | 
         | One thing I have learned is that a SPAC or any company with a
         | low stock price may have low liquidity, particularly for
         | longer-dated options. This risks making a short position
         | dramatically less profitable. So SPACs end up not being the
         | gold mine for shorts that you might expect.
         | 
         | For me a short position is not about speculating but instead
         | about being strategically "long volatility". Which means you
         | can actually make money when the rest of your stocks (which are
         | "short volatility") are tanking and provide a better return for
         | your portfolio. So I now try to always have PUTs open (along
         | with CALLs that balance each other out).
         | 
         | Don't buy your short position with margin: that introduces
         | short volatility to what should be a long volatility position.
        
         | AlexandrB wrote:
         | > Any of our HN readers playing around with shorting the stock
         | of public companies as an individual investor?
         | 
         | This seems really risky without any institutional backing. If
         | the market is volatile or "irrational" (WSB + GME for example),
         | you can be margin called and lose a lot of money even if you're
         | _eventually_ right. Unlike a normal equity you can 't just hold
         | your short through volatility.
        
           | gregwebs wrote:
           | You can buy a long-term short with cash rather than margin.
           | You can hold onto such an option until it expires. Options
           | have a reputation for risk, but this mostly seems to come
           | back to using margin.
        
       | earnesti wrote:
       | They should have raised ICO instead.
        
         | arcturus17 wrote:
         | Are you aware of any ICOs that have raised a cool $21B?
        
       | samizdis wrote:
       | > Unbeknownst to investors, DraftKings' merger with SBTech also
       | brings exposure to extensive dealings in black-market gaming,
       | money laundering and organized crime.
       | 
       | > Based on conversations with multiple former employees, a review
       | of SEC & international filings, and inspection of back-end
       | infrastructure at illicit international gaming websites, we show
       | that SBTech has a long and ongoing record of operating in black
       | markets.
       | 
       | > Contrary to representations made to Oregon's state lottery, a
       | former employee told us SBTech had extensive operations in Iran,
       | violating local laws in a market subject to heavy U.S. sanctions.
       | We were told SBTech knowingly operated there for 4-5 years with
       | the founder directly overseeing the operation.
        
         | Mauricebranagh wrote:
         | Perfectly legal gaming operations outside of the USA have been
         | considered illicit and had employees arrested.
         | 
         | The US does seem to have a lot of puritan hang-ups not helped
         | by local gambling monopolys.
         | 
         | Surprised that draft kings don't go with one of the UK online
         | gaming firms.
        
           | adamrezich wrote:
           | on the other hand, when I visited Ireland a couple years ago
           | I was kind of shocked at how common sports betting
           | establishments were there, much like you'd see payday loan-
           | type places here in poorer areas of the States
        
             | [deleted]
        
       | vmception wrote:
       | More black market companies should be publicly traded so that
       | exposure and price discovery is established. Or certain
       | categories of vices whether they are legal or illegal in their
       | jurisdiction.
       | 
       | Whats the revenue multiple or the price to equity ratio on a
       | brothel? If you don't know, thats the reason to float those
       | shares.
       | 
       | People treat being publicly traded as a reward, and thats the
       | mistake that clouds their judgement.
        
         | driverdan wrote:
         | Better yet, stop making these things illegal and let
         | individuals live their lives the way they want.
        
           | sbarre wrote:
           | Yes of course because the world is really that simple.
        
           | vmception wrote:
           | Hopefully replaced with better consumer and worker
           | protections.
        
           | NationalPark wrote:
           | Yeah, I'm sure DraftKing's organized crime partners will
           | totally respect the NAP. Or GAAP.
        
             | ldh wrote:
             | This is usually the part of the discussion where we get to
             | have a laugh about "private courts".
        
             | driverdan wrote:
             | Legalizing prostitution, drug use, and gambling would
             | eliminate most of organized crime.
        
           | rchaud wrote:
           | Isn't that why Las Vegas exists?
        
       | chrisgd wrote:
       | I don't know enough about online gaming in Asia to be informed,
       | though some of it looks suspicious. The Iran talking point is
       | strange-They discovered it, shut it down and moved on it seems.
       | The talking points of selling shares is stupid-that is the point
       | of being public so you can start selling stock. And transferring
       | shares to a trust doesn't relieve the trust of public reporting
       | requirements when the insider is still responsible for the trust.
       | Valuations for a lot of companies are strange but being valued at
       | 2x a peer when it has agreements with the NFL is not absurd.
        
         | adventured wrote:
         | Hindenburg got a decent hit with Nikola, they have to keep
         | constantly producing those or their business will vanish very
         | rapidly.
         | 
         | It frequently happens with short-focused groups. There are
         | dramatically fewer hits to be had on the short side of the sort
         | like Nikola, than there are hits to be had on the long side
         | (you could have practically closed your eyes and tossed darts
         | at cloud stocks and hit homerun after homerun after homerun for
         | the past decade). Inevitably short groups get desperate and
         | overreach, constantly walking the line between revealing
         | something legitimately suspicious and conjuring a fake short
         | tale (they do that through blending the story, one part
         | something bad, three or four parts bull, and the one bad thing
         | is meant to fool people into believing it's all super bad).
         | Which isn't to suggest that shorts are any worse than lying
         | pumpers / bulls that blast positive propaganda all over the
         | Internet, rather, it's that there are always far fewer short
         | homeruns to be had inherently (outside of comprehensive black
         | swan events like the banking & housing crisis). As such the
         | shorts are stuck in a far more difficult segment with fewer
         | legitimate targets, and I think it pushes them toward
         | desperation more often than almost anywhere else (perhaps
         | outside of penny stock pumpers).
        
         | elliekelly wrote:
         | > And transferring shares to a trust doesn't relieve the trust
         | of public reporting requirements when the insider is still
         | responsible for the trust.
         | 
         | It looks like TFA author is correct that they structured the
         | transfer specifically to avoid Meckenzie or the trust falling
         | within the definition of "beneficial ownership" that would
         | trigger a 13D reporting obligation and since they transferred
         | 0.7% of outstanding shares (less than 1% with a bit of wiggle
         | room for market movement) I'm assuming the shares were
         | transferred to an irrevocable trust so they'd be outside the
         | scope of Form 4 unless he's serving as trustee which is
         | unlikely (although, not entirely impossible) judging by the way
         | the disclosure is phrased in his SEC filing:
         | 
         | > On May 26, 2021, Mr. Meckenzie transferred his beneficial
         | interest in 19,075,875 shares of Common Stock (the "Shares")
         | for no consideration to a trust for the benefit of his spouse
         | and children and remoter issue and for which an independent
         | trustee has been appointed (the "Trust"), and the Trust
         | immediately transferred the Shares to a company (the "Company")
         | wholly-owned by the Trust (the "Transfers"). Mr. Meckenzie does
         | not exercise voting or dispositive power over the Shares or
         | have a right to reacquire the Shares. As a result of the
         | Transfers, Mr. Meckenzie no longer has or shares, directly or
         | indirectly, voting or investment power over the Shares.
         | 
         | If he's acting as co-trustee alongside an independent trustee
         | and phrasing it in such a way to insinuate he's not at all
         | involved that would be _very_ shady indeed.
        
         | freshhawk wrote:
         | Aren't SPACs just nonoperating shell companies that own only
         | cash? I thought the whole point of them was to be allowed to
         | disclose nothing and report nothing.
        
           | chrisgd wrote:
           | In the merger process, the target can issue more information
           | and forward projections. In an IPO, you cannot issue forward
           | projections. The point of the SPAC is to take companies
           | public that are more forward oriented. As they are learning
           | though, it is hard to be a publicly traded company. You still
           | have to comply with regular SEC requirements once the merger
           | is complete.
        
       | jollybean wrote:
       | I love Hindenberg reports. Their 'releases' are more exciting
       | than most things I can think of.
        
       | hogFeast wrote:
       | There are quite a few mistakes here.
       | 
       | 1) These markets aren't "black market"...they are unregulated.
       | Operating in unregulated markets is fairly normal, investors
       | don't like it because it is risky but there are other operators
       | doing this (Entain is one). 2) It is also fairly normal to white
       | label your product in Asia. Betfair does this, almost everyone
       | does this because the Asian market is the largest in the world.
       | Again, totally unregulated but it is not particularly shady
       | (there are larger gambling companies than DraftKings in Asia
       | owned by individuals). 3) The FBI has repeatedly accused people
       | in this business of being linked to the Triads. So far, this has
       | been unproved but, whether this is true or not, these businesses
       | are legitimate and are some of the largest gambling companies in
       | the world.
       | 
       | I don't doubt that the merger pre-listing is suspicious, this is
       | why SPACs aren't a very good idea. I don't doubt that DK is an
       | overpriced PoS (their marketing RoI is terrible). But, as ever,
       | much of what people just coming to the industry write is nonsense
       | (and usually related to whether they grew up somewhere where
       | gambling was illegal...the ironic thing about the weird moralism
       | about gambling in the US is that the unregulated companies are
       | usually far more ethical than firms operating in the US).
        
       | sQL_inject wrote:
       | For those of you not familiar, Hindenburg Research has done a
       | riveting, blistering critique and 'takedown' of the sham company
       | "Nikola."
       | 
       | Highly recommend the read: https://hindenburgresearch.com/nikola/
        
         | erhk wrote:
         | They also profit immensely off of these "takedown" articles.
        
           | bob33212 wrote:
           | It would be a pretty stupid business plan to do a ton of fake
           | research about a company just to make a quick buck off the
           | initial drop in the stock. If NKLA turned out to be a great
           | company that was on their way to huge success the researchers
           | would look incompetent, regardless of if they made any money
           | off of shorts.
        
           | intro-b wrote:
           | welcome to the world of activist investing
        
           | sQL_inject wrote:
           | I don't see this as a conflict of interest or foul play if
           | their assertions are correct and truthful, although I get a
           | sense of your potential hesitation with the practice.
           | 
           | To abstract it a bit for the sake of argument: the police
           | profit from policing, and can continue to do so as long as it
           | remains a societal net good -- if it tips into nepotism then
           | of course it should be corrected.
           | 
           | I view these sorts of firms as a mechanism of reversion to
           | the mean.
        
           | mgh2 wrote:
           | Of course, should they not get compensated for calling out
           | fraud and protecting investors?
           | 
           | "Infamous" short sellers play a big part in public market
           | ethics after all - contrary to current Reddit sentiment. The
           | real villains hide behind anonymous forums like WSB, using
           | social media media to pump and dump stocks and change the
           | public narrative.
           | 
           | Hindenburg also published this piece to emphasize the
           | importance and dispel the negativity of short sellers
           | https://hindenburgresearch.com/clover/
        
           | vmception wrote:
           | A catalyst towards proper price discovery and liquidity.
           | These are correctly aligned incentives.
           | 
           | If the entire market doesn't care, as it shouldn't, then its
           | merely informative and helps more investors be aware of the
           | great revenue printer.
           | 
           | If the market freaks out because they think others will freak
           | out, those traders are the stupid ones and Hindenburg played
           | the gullible people.
           | 
           | From what I read, the money losing company will likely have
           | some brand conscious companies disassociate, while the money
           | winning company will continue printing revenue.
        
           | umanwizard wrote:
           | Of course. Why else would they publish them?
        
             | [deleted]
        
       | aerovistae wrote:
       | I interviewed at DraftKings and didn't like it.
        
         | socialist_coder wrote:
         | Why?
        
       | genpfault wrote:
       | Since TFA never got around to it...
       | 
       | SPAC: special-purpose acquisition company[1]
       | 
       | [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special-
       | purpose_acquisition_co...
        
       | ggggtez wrote:
       | > roughly 50% of SBTech's revenue continues to come from markets
       | where gambling is banned
       | 
       | Yeah, duh. Isn't that the whole point?
        
       | Animats wrote:
       | First lawsuit filed.[1]
       | 
       | [1] https://www.frankcruzlaw.com/cases/draftkings-inc/
        
       | mgh2 wrote:
       | Disney has also invested in Draftings and is the reason why they
       | changed their anti gambling stance.
       | 
       | I am no longer a Disney fan, considering their influence on
       | children and families
       | 
       | https://www.lineups.com/betting/how-disney-became-a-part-own...
       | 
       | Note: I can't blame them after their resorts closed due to COVID,
       | they were pressured by investors to ramp up profit - ex:
       | canceling stock dividends, investing heavily in Disney+ content,
       | get into sports gambling. But being so close to children (family
       | values), having their corporate values corrupted was a big
       | disappointment.
        
         | mgh2 wrote:
         | * this comment is at risk of offending some Disney fans
        
         | cwkoss wrote:
         | I haven't been a disney fan for a while, because their
         | lobbyists are arguably the primary reason copyright terms have
         | been extended to such absurd lengths: they want complete
         | control of the mouse.
         | 
         | Steamboat Willie was created in 1928. It won't enter public
         | domain until 2024 (assuming Disney isn't successful in
         | extending copyright yet again...)
         | 
         | Disney raided the public domain to build it's animated films
         | empire, then pulled up the drawbridge to the magic kingdom
         | behind themselves.
        
           | vmception wrote:
           | Disney isn't pursuing copyright extensions again,
           | specifically because people noticed.
           | 
           | How does that make you feel?
        
             | cwkoss wrote:
             | Cautiously optimistic
        
               | vmception wrote:
               | That their behavior is tied to people noticing what
               | they're up to?
        
               | pjc50 wrote:
               | Isn't that true of a lot of people and companies?
        
               | moate wrote:
               | Yea, just not the ones we should want to support.
               | 
               | Accepting that there are bad actors and actively
               | supporting them are 2 different activities.
        
             | adamrezich wrote:
             | "I'll believe it when I see it"
        
             | fedreserved wrote:
             | Steam boat willy doesn't bring in any $$$. When one of the
             | early classics that still sells (Bambi, snow white, etc)
             | comes up please believe an extension is right around the
             | corner
        
               | teruakohatu wrote:
               | I agree with you that they will want an extension before
               | Bambi, but Steamboat Willie does bring in money. When it
               | goes public domain so does the original Micky and Minnie
               | Mouse. In 2025 you could produce a non-Disney Micky Mouse
               | movie.
               | 
               | And they do sell steamboat merch, or have in the recent
               | past:
               | 
               | https://www.lego.com/en-nz/product/steamboat-willie-21317
               | 
               | I don't see it going into the public domain. Steamboat
               | Willie should have entered public domain in 1956 and
               | Disney keeps winning.
        
         | AlexandrB wrote:
         | Forget mere investments, there are several Disney-property
         | games on the App Store right now that include gambling
         | mechanics. The sooner this stuff gets the same regulatory
         | treatment as traditional gambling the better.
        
         | yowlingcat wrote:
         | When were their corporate values not corrupted? Walt Disney was
         | a Nazi sympathizer [1] in manners that seem a lot less family
         | friendly than a token investment from one entertainment company
         | into another. I agree with you that it's still not a great look
         | for a supposedly family friendly company to do. What I question
         | is whether it ever was very family friendly to begin with
         | rather than simply family targeted.
         | 
         | [1] https://www.pastemagazine.com/politics/walt-disney/walt-
         | the-...
        
         | erhk wrote:
         | I would never allow myself to trust in a publicly traded
         | company to uphold any values.
        
           | rodgerd wrote:
           | The Values of the Carphone Warehouse:
           | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2firijxQOo
        
           | mgh2 wrote:
           | Does being public necessarily lead to wrong incentivizes?
        
             | pjc50 wrote:
             | It leads to only one incentive: maximize the stock price.
             | Everything else, good and bad, flows from there.
        
               | mgh2 wrote:
               | Depends on how they do it, that is the point.
               | 
               | If a company chooses to rise its stock price by buybacks,
               | shady business practices (SPACs, ads) and covering with
               | PR, or investing in R&D to create real value.
        
               | asdff wrote:
               | In a world where not being evil is considered "leaving
               | money on the table," I have little faith that there are
               | many that don't resort to these practices.
        
         | echelon wrote:
         | I'm surprised Disney has been allowed to buy up so many media
         | companies. They control the box office, have a major interest
         | in sports and news, and seem to have an appetite for more.
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | mgh2 wrote:
           | Disney's main revenue sources:
           | https://www.statista.com/statistics/193140/revenue-of-the-
           | wa...
           | 
           | I might also add their growing influence on advertising, by
           | leveraging these media channels
           | https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/disney-wraps-upfront-tv-
           | adv...
           | 
           | Everyone smells money on this industry and is trying to
           | capture market share (ex: Microsoft Bing and Amazon Search).
           | Disney might not be that different than Google after all,
           | except for targeting a different demographic (closer to
           | Facebook) - making it more disturbing.
        
       | Animats wrote:
       | Is the real purpose of this deal money-laundering by organized
       | crime? DraftKings was supposedly losing money, while SBTech makes
       | money illegally.
       | 
       | The BTi/CoreTech CEO was formerly the CEO (and previously CTO) of
       | SpotOption, the binary option scam run out of Ramat Gan,
       | Israel.[1] That was a big operation. Out front were the fake
       | "binary option brokers", in reality bucket shops, such as Banc de
       | Binary. SpotOption provided the back-end services, while the
       | front companies ran call centers to recruit more suckers. Some of
       | the front companies appeared to be operated directly by
       | SpotOption, although that was never entirely clear.
       | 
       | Until 2017, it was legal for Israeli companies to scam non-
       | Israelis in this way.[2] When the binary option business was made
       | illegal in Israel, the companies were given three months to move
       | to another country. "Officials say that numerous Israeli-owned
       | binary options firms have already begun moving to countries where
       | the activity has not yet been banned." SpotOption moved to
       | Bulgaria.
       | 
       | The scam goes on, under new names.[3] "Since then, some scammers
       | have shifted to schemes involving forex trading, CFD or
       | cryptocurrency speculation."
       | 
       | So that's the back story here.
       | 
       | [1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/sec-charges-israels-main-
       | binar...
       | 
       | [2] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/israel-bans-
       | bin...
       | 
       | [3] https://www.timesofisrael.com/german-police-raid-call-
       | center...
        
         | ordinaryradical wrote:
         | It's interesting to me that people like this can continue to
         | succeed in modern democracies. There seems to be no
         | consequences for massive financial crimes anymore, and the more
         | brazen you are the more you are rewarded.
         | 
         | If I broke into the homes of millions of people to fleece them
         | of their life savings I'd never be seeing the outside of a
         | prison but these guys do it via a confidence scam and the
         | internet and never see the inside of a prison. Then they become
         | CEO of another company and start all over agin.
         | 
         | I stop believing in democracy when I read stories like these.
        
           | jl2718 wrote:
           | White collar law enforcement picks easy targets. They know
           | these guys will outspend their legal budgets.
        
           | api wrote:
           | > There seems to be no consequences for massive financial
           | crimes anymore, and the more brazen you are the more you are
           | rewarded.
           | 
           | Finance is too big to fail.
           | 
           | Number must go up or everything breaks and there is chaos in
           | the streets. If we hold huge scale financial criminals
           | accountable, it could spark financial contagion and number
           | may not go up.
           | 
           | Virtually all countries are in this boat to some extent.
        
           | lainga wrote:
           | The nuance is slightly different - it's like the CEO's
           | breaking into the homes of millions of _Americans_. The
           | fellow participants in his democracy (in Israel) were not
           | affected; there are two separate jurisdictions.
        
             | rchaud wrote:
             | "Well, we barred them from doing it within our borders" is
             | not a great example of a democracy in action. These firms
             | were allowed to operate a criminal enterprise until 2017 on
             | the voters' home soil. Just because it wasn't against the
             | laws at that time doesn't absolve the political leadership
             | of responsibility.
        
               | andrewflnr wrote:
               | > "Well, we barred them from doing it within our borders"
               | is not a great example of a democracy in action.
               | 
               | It kind of is, though. The voters voted to protect
               | themselves. And while you could think of that as selfish
               | and not be wrong, at least they _were_ able to protect
               | themselves against a well-funded lobby that almost
               | certainly would have liked to prevent them.
        
               | Animats wrote:
               | The entire Times of Israel series on binary options [1]
               | tells a sad, sordid story. It came out slowly. At first,
               | it just looked like a few minor scammers. But as the
               | Times dug deeper, publishing over 50 articles, it came
               | out that at peak, the binary options scam was 40% of the
               | Israeli financial sector and had enough political
               | connections to stall enforcement.
               | 
               | The Israeli crackdown came only after the scam was
               | starting to hurt Israel's foreign relations.[2] Israel's
               | "public diplomacy" minister:
               | 
               |  _"Leaving aside the profound moral questions this
               | raises," [referring to reports estimating that billions
               | of dollars have been stolen from unwitting customers by
               | fraudulent Israeli binary options firms], "I come from
               | the field of foreign policy, protecting Israel from
               | delegitimization and BDS [the boycott, divest and
               | sanction movement]... These activities threaten Israel's
               | legitimacy. [The industry] will "contribute to those who
               | want to delegitimize us if these charges turn out to be
               | absolutely true. It's very, very disturbing...
               | horrible."_
               | 
               | So now there's a large community of scammers who, having
               | been kicked out of binary options in Israel, are looking
               | for new areas in which to operate. Forex, contracts for
               | difference, and cryptocurrency scams have been found.
               | DraftKings has some of the same people involved.
               | 
               | This is one of the worst things that can happen to a
               | country - developing a large, successful criminal class.
               | It's really hard to get rid of them, and they may end up
               | running the country, as happened to Russia after the
               | downfall of the USSR.
               | 
               | [1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/binary-options/
               | 
               | [2] https://www.timesofisrael.com/michael-oren-backs-
               | knesset-pro...
        
           | tobyjsullivan wrote:
           | Sorry but how does this relate to democracy? This seems like
           | your issue would be with the sovereignty of the various
           | countries involved.
           | 
           | What does it matter if those countries are democratic or not?
        
             | axus wrote:
             | They really mean "un-corrupted government that cares about
             | the concerns of its average citizens".
        
               | droopyEyelids wrote:
               | And that is the root of the confusion. Democracies may be
               | less prone to corruption, but they're certainly not
               | immune to it.
        
               | pempem wrote:
               | They really mean "governments that uphold the rule of law
               | and apply it equally to all"
        
           | api wrote:
           | These things happen in autocracies too, and often with the
           | blessing of the autocrats in exchange for huge bribes.
           | 
           | Money talks... in all systems of government.
        
             | rchaud wrote:
             | Autocracies don't posit themselves as a model of governance
             | for the rest of the world.
        
             | jandrese wrote:
             | The difference is that people in a Democracy are supposed
             | to combat corruption like this. In an Autocracy it is just
             | the order of the day, nobody tries to seriously oppose it.
             | Or they die trying.
        
           | adolph wrote:
           | _it has been said that democracy is the worst form of
           | Government except for all those other forms that have been
           | tried from time to time_
           | 
           | https://richardlangworth.com/worst-form-of-government
        
         | 99_00 wrote:
         | >in reality bucket shops
         | 
         | Not related to your main point, but I was reading about
         | historical bucket shops on wikipedia yesterday. It's my
         | understanding that they are inherently a scam. They are
         | basically people betting on the movement of stocks without ever
         | taking a position in the stock market. They were outlawed in
         | the US in the 20s.
         | 
         | Are you using the same definition I am, and in practice are
         | modern bucket shops basically always a vehicle for fraud? (I
         | mean, why wouldn't you just buy the stock if you are legit. The
         | barrier in 2021 is so low.)
        
           | smabie wrote:
           | Bucket shops have historically offered high leverage,
           | something that is not possible when buying equities outright.
           | 
           | There's a whole gamut of different kinds of bucket shops,
           | some being on the less shady side others on the outright take
           | your money and don't let you withdraw it side.
        
           | ProjectArcturis wrote:
           | Yeah, if you're a legit buyer, there's no reason not to use a
           | legit broker. Bucket shops today offer higher leverage, and
           | sometimes binary options. They are also basically a black
           | hole for your money. If you're lucky enough to win, they'll
           | make excuses and never actually return any cash.
        
           | Animats wrote:
           | The definition of "bucket shop" has not changed. The question
           | is always "who's the counterparty". Who has to pay up if you
           | win? Do they have the assets to do so? Can you make them pay
           | up if they don't want to?
           | 
           | With a real broker, the broker is not taking any risk. They
           | just take a commission between buyer and seller. With a
           | bucket shop, the broker has a risk, so it's in their interest
           | to make the customer lose.
           | 
           | A big market move can wipe out a bucket shop. See "Madoff
           | scam". Madoff was a bucket shop operator. The assets his
           | statements said the investors owned did not really exist.
        
             | smabie wrote:
             | Sure, but is betfair a scam too? Or what about an OTC desk?
             | Both of these are similar to bucket shops wrt who's the CP.
        
           | elliekelly wrote:
           | I'd be very interested in any bucket shop wikipedia articles
           | you might have stumbled across if you care to share! Or any
           | historical cases of securities fraud that pre-date/coincide
           | with the Martin Act, '33 Act, and '34 Act, if anyone happens
           | to know of any worth sharing.
        
         | onetimemanytime wrote:
         | EU has poured HUNDREDS of billions in Eastern EU. Corruption
         | there is more honest than in USA: no government contract unless
         | you kickback xx%. Then think of the public land thefts, tones
         | and tones of drugs and you get the idea. That money has to be
         | laundered in industrial size machines.
        
           | rasz wrote:
           | Drugs in Eastern EU? Did you perhaps mean Spain (cannabis),
           | Italy (heroin), Belgium (cocaine), Netherlands (mdma,
           | amphetamines etc). You can pull leftwing ideas out of
           | tabloids, or you could you know, read some of EU own reports
           | - just google "European Drug Report. Trends and
           | Developments".
        
       | xrd wrote:
       | My favorite part: "company's recent hire of supermodel Gisele
       | Bundchen to advise on governance issues."
        
         | hitpointdrew wrote:
         | Hmm...A sports book hires the wife of one of the leading NFL
         | quarter backs for "governance issues". "Hey Gisele, can you
         | 'govern' us on how Tom doing this week? His elbow seem OK?"
        
       | avipars wrote:
       | As a Jew in Israel, I've grown quite skeptical of these Israeli
       | startups. On multiple occasions, some of these founders have been
       | caught doing shady things and they get away with them (mostly)...
       | 
       | In general these israeli startups tend to be way overvalued
        
       | snake_plissken wrote:
       | I like this report, just enough scandal and shady characters to
       | make sense. But also, you have to think the SPAC sponsor and
       | DraftKings performed a good level of due diligence on SBTech? The
       | one thing I really took out of reading this report was how many
       | breadcrumbs we all leave out there on the internet.
       | 
       | Which then, to me, boils this all down to: A) the due diligence
       | was sufficient and the lawyers signed off on everything or B)
       | this is some sort of scheme to launder money and the whole thing
       | is dirty.
       | 
       | Or, C) they did their due diligence and decided it was worth the
       | risks.
        
       | helios_invictus wrote:
       | I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!
        
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