[HN Gopher] US bans dog imports from more than 100 countries
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US bans dog imports from more than 100 countries
Author : Black101
Score : 36 points
Date : 2021-06-14 22:15 UTC (44 minutes ago)
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| aluminum96 wrote:
| I have always wondered why rabies vaccination is not given
| standard in childhood.
|
| Rabies is incredibly scary -- you camp outside, a bat nips you in
| your sleep, and by the time you know anything has happened, it's
| too late.
| Carioca wrote:
| Basically, because we don't want to give kids unnecessary
| vaccines (contrary to what _some_ people say). We don't give
| yellow fever vaccines to everyone, only to people in high-risk
| areas.
|
| Also, post-exposure treatment is almost 100% effective, so the
| vaccine goes down in priority
| wnevets wrote:
| >Also, post-exposure treatment is almost 100% effective,
|
| Only if you know about the exposure before symptoms appear.
| In the parent's example you don't realize you were actually
| bit by a bat in your sleep.
| nexuist wrote:
| I suppose it is possible, but is it really likely that
| you'll get bitten by a bat who draws blood and not wake up
| to the pain of such a bite? Is it likely you'll even get
| bitten by a bat at all? I thought you have to really fuck
| with them and be in like a cave or something to be exposed
| to that kind of risk. I mean, they hang upside down from
| high vantage points right? Unless you're sleeping in a tree
| and also flailing around your hands to try to beat the shit
| out of a bat in your sleep, I don't think any bat would
| come near you let alone attempt to bite your skin, _let
| alone_ when you 're just laying down and not moving around
| much.
| wearywanderer wrote:
| Vampire bats specialized in drawing blood from sleeping
| victims without waking them. It is rare for them to find
| human targets, but it happens sometimes:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire_bat#Human_health
| alisonkisk wrote:
| Not every one is super informed and insured. Millions of
| people would wait it out a while before seeking care.
| bsder wrote:
| > I have always wondered why rabies vaccination is not given
| standard in childhood.
|
| Because the side effects from the rabies vaccine are far more
| likely than you getting rabies unknowingly in the US.
|
| We're talking 25 total cases from 2009 to 2018--about 2 per
| year.
|
| If you start jabbing a couple million children willy-nilly, 1
| or 2 of them will die of anaphylaxis or a secondary infection
| from the needle prick every year on the best of vaccines. And
| rabies vaccines aren't particularly modern or sophisticated.
| benatkin wrote:
| The number of human rabies cases in the US for humans is so
| incredibly low.
|
| You're more than ten times as likely to die of E. coli.
|
| https://www.cdc.gov/rabies/location/usa/surveillance/human_r...
| lesuorac wrote:
| The vaccine doesn't last your lifetime, you get a booster when
| exposed [1], and is super expensive (in US it's ~$1000 [2]).
|
| But about the article, if < 0.05% of dogs have fake rabies
| certificates out of millions of dogs is this actually a
| problem? (Not to condone the behavior) Just because your dog
| doesn't have a rabies vaccine doesn't mean it does has rabies.
|
| [1]:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies_vaccine#After_exposure
| [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies_vaccine#Cost
| maxk42 wrote:
| Wouldn't a simpler solution just be to ask people importing
| dogs to get them a new rabies vaccination?
| alisonkisk wrote:
| It's only expensive in USA because USA human healthcare
| system is crazy. It's EUR100 for humans in Europe, and it's
| cheap enough to give to every domestic dog several times.
| wearywanderer wrote:
| In America [and most other countries that have done a similarly
| good or better job of suppressing rabies] the wildlife are the
| ones getting vaccinated against it. Vaccinating the wildlife by
| baiting them with an oral vaccine is very effective and can
| eradicate rabies from a region (vaccinating the general public
| cannot do that, since person-to-person transmission is not
| really the concern.)
| Black101 wrote:
| They should ban traveling too because I have heard of many fake
| vaccine certificates...
| kayodelycaon wrote:
| Rabies is a lot more lethal and it's fortunately very rare in
| the US. The ban makes a lot of sense to me.
| savant_penguin wrote:
| 25 cases in a decade
|
| You are more likely to die by crossing the street
| h2odragon wrote:
| High-Risk Dog Ban FRN : https://www.cdc.gov/importation/bringing-
| an-animal-into-the-...
|
| The list of countries: https://www.cdc.gov/importation/bringing-
| an-animal-into-the-...
| elliekelly wrote:
| Off topic but what an odd an inefficient way to organized and
| display the information. A bullet point list of countries
| grouped by continent (sort of?) and then one bullet point per
| first letter of country name.
|
| > Asia and the Middle East, Eastern Europe
|
| > * Afghanistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan
|
| > * Bangladesh, Belarus, Bhutan, Brunei
| hirundo wrote:
| It includes India, China, Indonesia, Pakistan, Brazil and
| Russia, or most of the world by population. The largest nation
| in population not included is the U.S. itself. The next largest
| is Mexico at #10. So 8 of the 10 most populous countries are on
| the list, and one isn't eligible.
| fra wrote:
| > Probably most of the dogs too
|
| TFA says that those countries represent 6% of dog imports.
| alisonkisk wrote:
| So where _do_ imported dogs come from? Canada?
|
| Also,
|
| > Hundreds of these dogs had fraudulent rabies
| certificates,
|
| Isn't this most easily fixed by requiring a post-
| immigration rabies shot?
| jcranmer wrote:
| I assume it's mostly people who treat their pets as
| children, which is largely a Western phenomenon. So,
| yeah, Canada's probably a large source, as would be most
| of Western Europe.
| makomk wrote:
| Probably people moving to the US from places like Europe
| (which is quite big, even though the individual countries
| in it are small - I know the US press used the small size
| of individual countries to play some slimy games with
| their Covid-19 related comparisons from time to time).
| johncessna wrote:
| There's, apparently, a really interesting world of dog
| importing. I wonder if this was the paper that prompted
| this decision.
|
| http://www.naiaonline.org/uploads/WhitePapers/USDA_DogImpor
| t...
| [deleted]
| jlawer wrote:
| I think you will find that dog (pet) importation is more
| highly correlated with higher income, thus while the highest
| population countries are listed, in % wise, higher migration
| will be from Europe.
|
| In outside the covid pandemic, I think you will find that
| there is significant international travel for breeding and
| show purposes. Additionally, while I am unsure of the cost in
| the US, in a place like Australia the quarantine costs to
| bring pets into the country make it something more likely to
| be done by wealthier migrants.
| wearywanderer wrote:
| There are so many dogs already in America, I see absolutely no
| reason to ever import more.
| bsder wrote:
| I don't know why we don't have a permanent ban on this anyway. We
| don't need to be supporting overseas puppy mills.
|
| We have more than enough dogs in the US to adopt.
| version_five wrote:
| I think a major use may be people relocating to the US with
| their dogs.
| johncessna wrote:
| Those folks can still apply for a permit. Service dogs and
| dogs brought for 'or science, education, or exhibition' can
| also still get import permits.
| debacle wrote:
| More than enough puppy mills as well, and amateur breeders that
| have no idea what they are doing. Leads to very brutal lives
| for the mothers (who do not receive adequate healthcare), and
| dogs with serious socialization issues.
|
| I used to think pit bulls all had anxiety issues. Two years
| after adopting a rescue (not a pit bull), I think it's much
| more likely that most pit bull breeders do little to nothing to
| properly socialize those dogs in their early months.
| johncessna wrote:
| For those who are curious which countries are affected and
| incorrectly thought the information would be the article:
|
| https://www.cdc.gov/importation/bringing-an-animal-into-the-...
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