[HN Gopher] Etymology of the Word "Lord"
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Etymology of the Word "Lord"
Author : jasim
Score : 61 points
Date : 2021-06-12 12:05 UTC (10 hours ago)
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| yawaramin wrote:
| On a side note, one of the things I love about iOS/macOS is the
| built-in dictionary with etymology, which I often use to indulge
| my curiosity.
| schoen wrote:
| Linux users can try "dict", which is great, although weirdly it
| queries a network server for this information.
| asveikau wrote:
| Old English has that quality where you can squint at it being a
| modern English speaker and it almost makes sense. "Loaf ward"
| sounds like a fair description, if clumsy, of somebody who guards
| bread.
|
| But then "ward" is often a building or section, or, a minor under
| protection. Maybe "warden" keeps the meaning while being
| etymologically similar.
|
| Edit: after a bit of googling it seems that ward and warden are
| cognates (alongside guard and others), but the former is from Old
| English, and the latter is a later import from French, though
| French speakers got it from Germanic sources.
| tosh wrote:
| german: Torwart / Torhuter
|
| english: goalkeeper
| slver wrote:
| Do you have a few minutes to spare to hear about God, our loaf
| ward and cheese savior?
| hanche wrote:
| I love cheeses and cheeses loves me.
| OJFord wrote:
| Blessed are the cheese saviours?
| whatshisface wrote:
| Give us this day our daily bread.
| baggy_trough wrote:
| Nobody really knows how to translate the "daily" in that
| sentence because it's a word that appears nowhere else.
| drummojg wrote:
| A hapax legomenon, one of my favorite literary terms.
| russellbeattie wrote:
| Much better than "Googlewhack" for sure.
| I_complete_me wrote:
| A word or form that occurs only once in the recorded corpus
| of a given language.
| Narretz wrote:
| * A word that occurs only once in a given corpus. For
| example, if you list all the words in a book, it can have
| many hapax. That usually says something about the
| diversity of words an author uses. A hapax that is unique
| to all records of a language is quite rare.
| throw0101a wrote:
| For anyone curious:
|
| > _Epiousios (epiousios) is a Greek adjective used in the
| Lord 's Prayer verse "Ton arton emon ton epiousion dos emin
| semeron"[a] 'Give us today our_ epiousion _bread '. Because
| the word is used nowhere else, its meaning is unclear. It is
| traditionally translated as "daily", but most modern scholars
| reject that interpretation._
|
| * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiousios
|
| * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hapax_legomenon
| russellbeattie wrote:
| Whenever I start diving into theology on Wikipedia, I'm
| always struck by the similarity of Bible study to the
| effort put into Wikis about Lord of the Rings, Star Wars,
| etc.
|
| Basically, early Christians were fanboys obsessed with the
| minutia and canonical stories of their favorite fantasy
| series published in two volumes. (Amusingly, it seems that
| L. Ron Hubbard noticed the same thing years ago and
| thought, "Hey, I can do that...")
| ljf wrote:
| https://youtu.be/IOPd80FN2ew you might really enjoy the
| lectures of Bart Ehrman.
| dredmorbius wrote:
| OT: etym () {
| realw3m=/usr/bin/w3m; $realw3m -T text/html
| "https://www.etymonline.com/word/${1}" }
|
| You're welcome.
|
| ("realw3m" as I often otherwise alias or define w3m as a bash
| function so that it loads my bookmarks file by default if given
| no arguments.)
| kebman wrote:
| Bread in Russian means _khleb_ (khleb), and in Bulgarian _khliab_
| (khlyab). IMHO not so different from Old English _hlaf._ In
| Norwegian we use the word _loff_ for white and soft bread, and as
| far as I know Brits call it _a loaf of bread._ But everyday bread
| is just _brod_ in Norwegian, which is of course very similar to
| the English word _bread._ Interestingly I know Life of Boris
| likes his _buterbrod_ (buterbrod), which is basically a buttered
| slice of bread, or--you know--a sandwhich. Another interesting
| use for grains is the making of beer, which is also an extremely
| interesting word, etymologically speaking.
| beebeepka wrote:
| It's actually "hlyab" / "hleb", without the extra "k". We are
| not Arabs.
|
| On a related note, an old friend of mine was really into
| Norwegian back in the day. He used to say Norwegian is very
| similar to English. Is that true?
| progre wrote:
| Lots of words are similar. Both are decendants of old norse,
| but English has accuired quite a bit of latin since the
| Norman conquest
| stevula wrote:
| English does not descend form Old Norse (a North Germanic
| language). It was merely influenced by it. English is a
| Wedt Germanic language.
| hackyhacky wrote:
| "kh" is a very typical English transliteration of the IPA
| /x/, which is also represented by the Russian letter Kh.
| Similarly, "ch" represents, sometimes, the IPA /tc/. In
| contrast, "h" does not at all represent the sound /x/ in
| English.
| mdturnerphys wrote:
| Yes, the Slavic "khleb", etc., appear to be cognates with the
| Germanic "loaf", etc. Wiktionary [0] says they both come from
| Proto-Germanic "hlaibaz" (reconstructed [1]).
|
| [0] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/loaf#Etymology_1
|
| [1]
| https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Reconstructed_term...
| throwaway894345 wrote:
| If you like grain and etymology, you might like the etymology
| of "barn":
|
| > barn (n.): "covered building for the storage of farm
| produce," Old English bereaern "barn," literally "barley
| house," from bere "barley" (see barley) + aern "house,"
| metathesized from _rann,_ rasn (source also of Old Norse rann
| "large house," Gothic razn "house," Old English rest "resting
| place"). For the formation, compare Old English sealtaern
| "saltworks," horsern "stable." In Anglo-Saxon England, barley
| was a primary grain crop. Barley was not always the only crop
| grown as the data recovered at Bishopstone might suggest but it
| is always the most commonly represented, followed by wheat and
| then rye and oats. [C.J. Arnold, "An Archaeology of the Early
| Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms," 1988, p.36]
|
| > Another word for "barn" in Old English was beretun, "barley
| enclosure" (from tun "enclosure, house"), which accounts for
| the many Barton place names on the English map, and the common
| surname. Applied from early 18c. to any large, barn-like
| building. Barn door has been used figuratively for "broad
| target" since 1670s and "great size" since 1540s. Barn-owl
| attested by 1670s. Barn-raising "a collective effort by
| neighbors or community members to erect the frame of a barn for
| one of them, accompanied by a social gathering" is attested by
| 1849.
|
| https://www.etymonline.com/word/barn
|
| You might also like The History of English Podcast; I highly
| recommend it: https://historyofenglishpodcast.com/
| gerdesj wrote:
| In Plymouth (Devon, not MA) there is a region called Barne
| Barton!
| Tagbert wrote:
| I second the recommendation of the History of English. It is
| a fascinating podcast.
| progre wrote:
| And "tun" (enclosure, in Swedish the word means the space
| between farmhouses on a farm) is the root of the english word
| "town".
| Derek_Mudaxe wrote:
| A slice of bread with butter is not a sandwich, it's just bread
| and butter or buttered bread. Sandwich is a placename, sandy
| vik, the food item is named after an earl/eoarl/yarl/jarl (take
| your pick).
| [deleted]
| Nux wrote:
| In other words "sandwich" is an eponym.
| Derek_Mudaxe wrote:
| Sometimes yes, sometimes no, it depends on the context.
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