[HN Gopher] A growing number of governments hope to clone Americ...
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       A growing number of governments hope to clone America's DARPA
        
       Author : edward
       Score  : 12 points
       Date   : 2021-06-06 21:35 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | ourmandave wrote:
       | Just start with a big BIG pile of cash and work back from there.
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       | https://www.darpa.mil/about-us/budget
        
         | chc4 wrote:
         | 3.5 billion for every DARPA project is a hilariously low
         | number. DARPA projects are famous for having low budgets,
         | completing under budget, and completing under time. It has an
         | extremely worthwhile return on investment.
        
           | pedalpete wrote:
           | I'd be keen to see a source on this if you have one.
        
         | goodcjw2 wrote:
         | $3~4B is indeed quite big budget. However, it's dwarfed by big
         | tech's R&D budget. FB alone spends $20B+ each year.
         | 
         | I guess one key difference is that unlike FB, DARPA money
         | doesn't need to be confined to make quick and visible returns,
         | thus they can focus on more long term problems.
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         | [1]
         | https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/FB/facebook/resear...
        
           | rektide wrote:
           | The Dream Machine: J. C. R. Licklider & The Revolution that
           | Made Computing Personal, by Michael Waldrop[1], is one of the
           | books out there that touches upon the early days of ARPA,
           | what happened, and how computing & networking was jump
           | started under by a far-seeing thrown-into-position bureaucrat
           | who both dreamed big personally but more so, stood back &
           | gave multiple far seeing groups of techies free reign to
           | bring their dreams to life. A lot of other books I've read
           | also speak similar stories, and I tend to believe them.
           | 
           | It's a near & dear book to me (although due for a re-read at
           | this point), & I think many others. A history of many of the
           | ideas circulating, and how many overlapped & reinforced on
           | the way to building what ended up being the internet. There's
           | more internet-centric accounts like Where Wizards Stay Up
           | Late or Dealers of Lightning, but Dream Machines remains the
           | favorite of many[2].
           | 
           | I just cant emphasize enough how much benefit I think there
           | is to government granting good hard working big idea people,
           | with not a lot of oversight or expectations. The counter
           | though, is that these were relatively small organizations,
           | all in all, and the goal is not to create jobs for life (as I
           | feel like most other research institutions tend to do) but to
           | fund projects, ideas, for a duration, and then move on, re-
           | allocate funds.
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           | [1] https://www.wired.com/2001/10/the-dream-machine-j-c-r-
           | lickli...
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           | [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14119220
        
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