[HN Gopher] Justice Department withdraws FBI subpoena for USA To...
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Justice Department withdraws FBI subpoena for USA Today records
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Author : prostoalex
Score : 50 points
Date : 2021-06-05 21:37 UTC (1 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.usatoday.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.usatoday.com)
| xvector wrote:
| I wish services didn't store IPs at all.
|
| If abuse is an issue, why not hash the IP with a nonce?
| codetrotter wrote:
| IPv4 space is small so they will subpoena the nonce and find
| what the original IP was
| kadoban wrote:
| For ipv4 is there a difference between storing IPs and storing
| their hash with a nonce? You can calculate the hash of every IP
| address in reasonable time, so it's reversible.
|
| Only benefit I can think of is you can forget the nonce and now
| the data is securely useless, if the nonce was secure, but that
| doesn't seem that useful really.
| gizmo686 wrote:
| There are only 2^32 possible IP addresses. You can brute-force
| that on a personal laptop.
| vgaldikas wrote:
| There's even less 'usable' ones, when you exclude private
| ranges etc...
| uses wrote:
| Hm, I'm confused, usually the whole point of storing an IP is
| in case the visitor uses the platform to do something illegal,
| like a death threat. Without the original IP law enforcement
| can't subpoena the ISP, etc. But also as someone else said, if
| you use a nonce, and I think you mean salt, then it can be
| cracked nearly instantaneously anyways due to the small space
| of IPv4 (~4 billion).
| aneutron wrote:
| Sometimes there's a forensic purpose. For example, you want to
| know which servers exfiltrated your data and to which IP.
|
| Or for audit purposes (e.g. you might need to prove to some
| regulator no outside access was made, which is stupid but ...)
| myself248 wrote:
| I'm curious if we'll ever find out what they thought they'd learn
| from this.
| mathattack wrote:
| From the article, that's why they withdrew it.
|
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|
| " The subpoena, issued as part of an investigation seeking to
| identify a child sexual exploitation offender, was withdrawn
| after investigators found the person through other means,
| according to a notice the Justice Department sent to USA
| TODAY's attorneys Saturday."
| resoluteteeth wrote:
| I think you may have replied to the wrong comment.
| b9a2cab5 wrote:
| More likely they acquired the data through other means like
| hacking into a "foreign" server.
| bellyfullofbac wrote:
| Probably easier to subpoena the many many tracking pixel
| providers embedded on the USA Today website...
| boomboomsubban wrote:
| >The government's own guidelines require the FBI to pursue
| alternative sources before subpoenaing a newspaper
|
| Or "we could always just buy this data, we requested it for some
| other reason but the media got more pissy than we expected."
|
| The entire thing is just so strange, why was the challenge not
| hidden when the subpoena was?
| Turing_Machine wrote:
| > President Joe Biden recently criticized the policy, saying it's
| "simply wrong" to seize journalists' records.
|
| The FBI is part of DOJ, which is an executive branch department
| under Biden's direct authority. If he thinks it's "simply wrong",
| he can just order them not to do it. He's not limited to
| "criticizing" it.
| bowmessage wrote:
| Good point. I'm not sure he's even aware of that option,
| unfortunately.
| hellow0rldz wrote:
| Oh, he is. But it's good PR to make positive statements while
| doing whatever you want.
| wydfre wrote:
| Did anybody bother to lookup the article they wanted to get the
| IPs for and get scared out of their minds when they realize what
| the title was?
|
| No, I am wrong, Hacker News is right, I have learned my mistake,
| we need anonymity - from everything.
| whereis wrote:
| Did they want the readership data for malicious, unjustified
| reasons?
| 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
| Probably not
| chrischen wrote:
| They probably just wanted it to make their jobs easier.
| serf wrote:
| That's a brilliant side-step over a morality qualm, without
| ever really answering the question.
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