[HN Gopher] Pijul - Datacenter on Fires
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Pijul - Datacenter on Fires
Author : pcr910303
Score : 85 points
Date : 2021-06-04 14:19 UTC (8 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (pijul.org)
(TXT) w3m dump (pijul.org)
| djhaskin987 wrote:
| I've never heard of etcd being described as a "leader election
| tool." I'm sure it works, just not sure that's why it was written
| or how that might even look.
|
| Also, as pleased as I am that pijul exists and as grateful as I
| am for the tireless efforts of the author of the post in trying
| to bring it about, I am less than enthused that an i3
| notification bar and a laptop is a major contributor in the
| supply chain of backups for a server that people are supposed to
| trust as the final resting place of their code. There are several
| free-ish tools out there that allow this type of automation to
| take place that are more reliable, e.g. CircleCI.
| jldugger wrote:
| I mean, that's kinda what RAFT fundamentally is, right?
| pmeunier wrote:
| As noted on the blog post, it's also instantly mirrored to the
| cloud with Restic, in addition to being replicated multiple
| times live. The i3 notification is meant to keep a constant eye
| on the thing, to make sure it does happen every day.
| [deleted]
| ljm wrote:
| Meh, if it's that small, then it's wasteful to start setting up
| infra around PagerDuty or New Relic or Slack or what not.
|
| That would come later if the whole thing takes off.
| jeffbee wrote:
| "OVH, the largest cloud provider in Europe"
|
| I wonder if this is a factual statement or just blathering. OVH
| had EUR600 million revenue in its last full year. AWS had $45370
| million. If even 2% of AWS revenue is from Europe, then AWS is
| larger.
| bayindirh wrote:
| However, Amazon is a US company. So while it may be bigger,
| it's not in Europe "per se". OTOH, OVH is a European company
| since it was found inside EU borders.
|
| So, OVH may be the biggest cloud provider in Europe, since it's
| a European company.
| bastardoperator wrote:
| I would argue that OVH is not a cloud provider and instead
| just an average run of the mill webhosting company similar to
| Godaddy. If anything:
|
| "lo barato siempre es mas caro"
|
| The cheap is always more expensive.
| bayindirh wrote:
| I have no experience working with them. I just wanted to
| clarify how OVH is considered European and AWS is not since
| I work in EU projects and I'm familiar with the perspective
| and thinking.
| jonathantf2 wrote:
| They have a full on Public Cloud available but their main
| business is still selling dedicated servers. This makes
| them a competitor to AWS.
| qznc wrote:
| Hetzner and SAP also provide cloud services and it is
| probably impossible to tell how much of their revenue it is.
| bayindirh wrote:
| I think SAP, Dassault and like give these services to test
| their capabilities and beta test their services in a
| somewhat lower risk environment. They also charge for it,
| so it's a win-win for them.
|
| A slightly more advanced version of old MyRealBox, which
| was Novell's e-mail server public beta test. It was free
| and was working with 99.99% uptime from my experience.
| Negitivefrags wrote:
| Are you sure that AWS don't just charge 75x more for the same
| service?
|
| They probably don't, but then again....
| pmeunier wrote:
| OVH is the largest European cloud company. Amazon, Google and
| Microsoft don't count as European.
|
| As a user of both, the price different may not be 75x, but I
| wouldn't be surprised if it were in the 10x-20x range. The
| polish is also quite different, and is consistent with the
| price difference.
| garmaine wrote:
| Amazon runs data centers in Europe. They are therefore "in
| Europe."
|
| The distinction you are looking for is "European owned," I
| think.
| pmeunier wrote:
| Thanks, that's actually why I wrote "European" rather
| than "in Europe", both in the blog post and in my
| previous comment.
|
| I'm glad to know that you agree with that distinction.
| jeffbee wrote:
| I mean, "in Europe" is a direct quote from your blog
| post.
| garmaine wrote:
| FYI your blog post says: "OVH, the largest cloud provider
| in Europe."
| littlestymaar wrote:
| The author (which is also the GP, btw) explicitly talks
| about what "in Europe" vs "not in Europe" means in the
| context of this post:
|
| > In our case, we have a number of requirements linked to
| the fact that we host user-generated content, and we know
| our users may not want to be subjected to censorship by
| other countries or organisations. Since 2018, the CLOUD
| act directly enables the US administration to enforce US
| law onto data stored in any other country, whenever the
| hosting company is registered in the US.
|
| Amazon's server are physically located on the European
| continent, but there are under the American jurisdiction
| which is the problem the author talks about.
|
| Btw, did you know that there are in fact no data center
| at all on Europe[1].
|
| [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_(moon)
| edoceo wrote:
| That's Europa, it's a moon.
| 1MachineElf wrote:
| This is a wonderful story of how Pijul and Nest worked hard to
| overcome challenges brought about by the OVH data center fire
| earlier this year.
|
| Also, I really like this footnote:
|
| _The realisation that naming things is a discipline of its own
| has probably even been one of the greatest discoveries of the
| 20th century. Cantor probably started that, by rebuilding
| foundations for mathematics (definitions were particularly fuzzy
| before him), Wittgenstein established a link with philosophy,
| blurring the distinction between mathematics and philosophy. Kuhn
| even established a distinction between the scientists who name
| things (whom he called "revolutionary") and the others (the
| "normies"). Deleuze restated the role of the philosopher as a
| creator of concepts (which also applies outside of science), or
| in other words, as a professional namer. And by the way, the
| history of Computer Science is full of such half-philosophical,
| half-mathematical discoveries, where naming is almost everything:
| Turing machines, Communication Complexity, Yao's principle..._
| cannam wrote:
| Seconded - this is probably the most philosophically
| interesting outage-post-mortem I've ever read.
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