[HN Gopher] The extraordinary story of two Pacific voyages of di...
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The extraordinary story of two Pacific voyages of discovery a 1000
years apart
Author : pseudolus
Score : 45 points
Date : 2021-06-01 19:57 UTC (2 days ago)
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| miobrien wrote:
| Fascinating read. Thanks for sharing.
|
| Great quote: "Once in a while you find yourself in an odd
| situation. You get into it by degrees and in the most natural way
| but, when you are right in the midst of it, you are suddenly
| astonished and ask yourself how in the world it all came about."
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| Also, I like this journal's web design. Very well done for
| mobile.
| commachika wrote:
| If you support masks, lockdowns or Fauci YOU should be executed
| too.
|
| FUCKING FASCIST FUCKS!
| alleycat5000 wrote:
| I enjoyed reading Sea People: The Puzzle of Polynesia which is
| all about how Polynesia became populated.
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| https://www.amazon.com/Sea-People-Polynesia-Christina-Thomps...
| ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
| I remember reading _Kon-Tiki and I_ , when I was a kid.
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| I think the journey (which was remarkable) was pretty much
| written off, in those days as "a bunch of proto-hippies, doing
| something," but these days, it would be a viral sensation.
| mistrial9 wrote:
| first-person slang like "hippies" is most often spoken by those
| are "are not" and is derogatory IMO
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| citation: photo-journalistic Life Magazine cover article on San
| Francisco culture used the word Hippy and introduced it to the
| mass media (edit: could have been Look Magazine also, one of
| those two).. people directly involved at the time did not use
| that word. The word was further popularized primarily by
| antagonists in media and popular songs
| ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
| Well, one of my older siblings was one. Sort of still is.
| They never called themselves that.
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| Fascinating person. We don't always see eye-to-eye on
| everything, but I have learned a great deal from them.
| joelcollinsdc wrote:
| Modern editions of the Kon-Tiki expedition have a preface that
| says the assertions in the book have been shown to not be
| accurate, or something along those lines.
| https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science-dna-shows-how-tho...
| ericol wrote:
| This link is paywalled.
| zfrag wrote:
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| throw0101a wrote:
| I've always been really been impressed by the Polynesians being
| able to navigate across vast distances, and to especially to find
| tiny islands and atolls in the middle of basically nowhere.
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| When exploring new areas, I wonder what success rate (%) was for
| folks going into the unknown and finding a bit of land to land
| on.
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| I'm guessing that they survived by harvesting rain water from
| squalls and by fishing?
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| As a possible comparison, some folks built a Viking ship as
| authentically as possible, and then sailed it across the
| Atlantic:
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| * https://www.youtube.com/c/DrakenHH/videos
| choeger wrote:
| The water supply is an interesting question indeed. To me it is
| of similar importance as the question of navigation.
|
| Even _if_ ancient proto-polynesians had a hunch that there was
| land somewhere, they _must_ have known about the need of fresh
| water. And on top of that they either did not want to ever go
| home or they must have had an idea about how to log their
| route. Fascinating stuff.
| dbuder wrote:
| I read on HN that they found islands over the horizon by
| looking at patterns in the waves and navigated by memorizing
| the position of stars. Yes to the harvesting of rain water.
| AnimalMuppet wrote:
| By wave patterns (the island would reflect waves, and they
| could detect that in a canoe), by birds (land-based birds fly
| back to the island in the evening), and by clouds (certain
| cloud formations build up over land). Combine them all, and
| they could know where islands were that they couldn't see.
| The reflected wave thing worked even at night.
| throw0101a wrote:
| > Combine them all, and they could know where islands were
| that they couldn't see.
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| I'm curious as to the range that these things could be
| detected. No doubt there's some proportionality between
| island size and distance-detectability.
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| But there are a whole bunch (small) islands in the middle
| of a whole lot of nothing, so I'm curious to know how many
| were found on purpose and how many by accident.
| BitwiseFool wrote:
| The Hawaiian islands in particular are so large that they
| affect wind and cloud patterns for hundreds, sometimes
| thousands of miles away. You can see this happening in this
| satellite photo: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commo
| ns/6/6b/Hawaje-N... Look at how the clouds and currents
| change from the top right down to the bottom left.
| smitty1e wrote:
| Heyerdahl's efforts were rewarded with a modern upgrade =>
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/ms9onr/hnoms_t...
| sosborn wrote:
| Hokule'a and Hikianalia are keeping the art alive:
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| http://www.hokulea.com/moananuiakea/
| pge wrote:
| Additional reading if you are interested in the topic of
| polynesian navigation- We, The Navigators by David Lewis. Highly
| recommended.
| contingencies wrote:
| Second vote. This book made me want to implement autonomous
| celestial navigation: then I learned that's how ICBM's work. If
| you get in to the area, see also JPS @
| http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/ and the umpteen trillion sailing
| channels on YouTube with people building or restoring boats on
| a budget for lifetime voyaging.
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