[HN Gopher] OpenSUSE Leap 15.3
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OpenSUSE Leap 15.3
Author : nix23
Score : 73 points
Date : 2021-06-02 14:51 UTC (8 hours ago)
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| ognarb wrote:
| I'm an happy user of openSUSE tumbleweed. It's a very solid
| distro and if zypper is too slow for you, you can switch to dnf
| and it's work fine.
| newdude116 wrote:
| Great system but I got tired of RPM and switched to an Ubuntu
| based system
| rubyist5eva wrote:
| What makes one "tired" of a package format?
| gopaz wrote:
| If you package software you for sure can get tired of it :)
|
| But I would never switch to Deb, that's just a pain.
| newdude116 wrote:
| I do IT but I am not really a CS guy.
|
| Too many programs that I was not able to install due to
| dependency problems. This is rarely a problem under Ubuntu.
| But I admit that it has been ages that I moved away from
| SuSE.
|
| I will likely leave Ubuntu if snap becomes too common or the
| rule.
|
| By the way, SuSE does an IPO soon but the IPO price looks
| steep.
| ragingrobot wrote:
| Not PP, but the only thing I can figure as an end user is rpm
| does have a reputation for dependency hell, which is pretty
| much moot with front ends such as yum, dnf and zypper.
|
| I can see if I were a package maintainer I might have a
| different opinion, and get "tired" (more like "fed up", no
| pun intended) of a format.
|
| I only had to make my own packages once or twice when I was a
| Debian user, Debian packages seemed a chore, and I always
| resorted to using things like checkinstall and debhelper.
|
| With RPM, I don't hesitate to write a spec when I need a
| package of a piece of software not provided in the repos, and
| spec files are pretty easy to work with. (I tend to favor
| using packages over 'make install').
| shodan757 wrote:
| As a counterpoint, I experienced the exact opposite. I got
| tired of deb-based distros leaving me in package limbo if
| something went wrong. I'm sure there's an easy fix, or maybe
| the entire problem is fixed now, but I've been a very happy
| user of opensuse (and just suse before that) for a long time -
| well over 15 years now. I _love_ their huge range of optional
| software repos. I can have a nice stable base system with only
| certain software bleeding edge.
| unixhero wrote:
| Any hope for a PPC Big Endian build for my Apple Mac G5s?
| nix23 wrote:
| No, since Leap 15.3 uses SLES binary's....
|
| But NetBSD would be the best match for your G5
| jayp1418 wrote:
| Check this out https://washbear.neocities.org/netbsd-macppc-
| install.html
| gopaz wrote:
| For anyone into packaging and building software I can really
| recommend SUSEs open build service, https://openbuildservice.org
|
| It's really powerful.
|
| Checkout what opensuse is currently building here;
| https://build.opensuse.org/monitor
| usr1106 wrote:
| > Checkout what opensuse is currently building here
|
| Actually the service is completely open and cross-distro.
| Everybody can build anything for all major distros. In practice
| the majority is probably related to OpenSUSE.
|
| I have built packages for OpenSUSE, Ubuntu and Arch. Just for
| myself if I needed to patch or try out something or I needed
| something not available in the standard distro repos.
| COGlory wrote:
| In the past year I've deployed Leap on 5 different workstations
| and servers. Three of them with more complicated active directory
| logins, and pam_mount setups. I've also compiled and installed a
| variety of academic software that was otherwise challenging to
| get working on CentOS.
|
| Overall I'm very happy with Leap, and Yast makes some of the more
| complicated things a lot more straightforward.
| stryan wrote:
| Release notes available at https://doc.opensuse.org/release-
| notes/x86_64/openSUSE/Leap/... .
|
| The big thing with this release is Leap now uses the same
| binaries as SUSE Enterprise, giving better support options. A
| good CentOS replacement for those still looking.
| beermonster wrote:
| Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't 15.3 based on SUSE Linux
| Enterprise 15 SP3 and supported until December 2022? (I may be
| mis-understanding SUSE releases..).
|
| One of the things I liked about CentOS was not having to
| upgrade every x months/years.
| stryan wrote:
| Major Releases are supported for at least 3 years, but are
| officially supported until a successor is released. Minor
| releases are supported for 18 months. So that is a downside,
| it is not quite the support level of CentOS, albeit having a
| dedicated minor release support schedule is nice (For RHEL at
| least you are expected to update to the newest minor release
| unless you pay extra).
| rubyist5eva wrote:
| You still have to upgrade your CentOS machines to the interim
| point releases to maintain support don't you? With CentOS
| version X.y becomes unsupported as soon as version X.y+1 is
| released, that's why it got turned into Stream, so it was
| always getting updates instead of having dead periods where
| sometimes systems would go weeks or months without support
| from packages released in RHEL.
| cesarb wrote:
| > A good CentOS replacement for those still looking.
|
| Unless your company requires you to use Microsoft Defender for
| Endpoint on Linux (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-
| us/microsoft-365/security/defe...), which is supported on RHEL,
| CentOS, SLES, and a few others, but _not_ openSUSE (
| "distributions [...] that are not explicitly listed are
| unsupported, even if they are derived from the officially
| supported distributions").
| nix23 wrote:
| Leap 15.3 is build on SLES, and if you need support from
| Microsoft, you have lost already...not to mention a IT-
| Department who installs a Antivirus on a Linux endpoint...and
| probably forgot about the HID.
| reddit_clone wrote:
| I have always wondered how Microsoft and McAfee convinced
| people to install their stuff on _linux_ servers !
|
| What do they actually do, other than actually increasing
| attack vectors?
| Arnavion wrote:
| Yes, as a 10-year user of Tumbleweed, generally OpenSUSE is
| left behind when it comes to downloading binary packages from
| first-party sources.
|
| Even for the Microsoft software that "supports" OpenSUSE,
| historically that support was by expecting OpenSUSE users to
| use their RHEL packages which didn't always work well. [1]
| [2] (I don't know if the problems are still there, because I
| switched to the Docker image for `az` and stopped using
| `powershell`)
|
| [1]: https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/issues/6184
|
| [2]: https://github.com/Azure/azure-cli/issues/7523
| rubyist5eva wrote:
| I can vouch for Leap being a great CentOS replacement. I
| switched to Suse around when Fedora 34 came out and I have
| turned into a huge fan. Converted my homelab to be completely
| Suse based and I have zero regrets.
| schmorptron wrote:
| You never hear much about OpenSuse or Suse, but whenever you do,
| users seem very happy with it. Is it just a perspective thing, or
| is there another reason why it isn't huge like Ubuntu or Fedora?
| rubyist5eva wrote:
| I am a Suse convert and I advocate loudly for it mostly because
| you don't hear much about it, so passion compensates for
| mindshare. Yast, Zypper, microos (a transactional update
| rolling spin) are all fantastic products and I'm a huge fan of
| Tumbleweed gaming systems because you get all of the newest
| updates for Mesa, Vulcan, etc....and because of the openQA
| system things are generally better tested than they are in
| Arch.
|
| Tumbleweed got Gnome 40 stable before Fedora 34 was released
| and it's been rock solid for me since day 1. And updates are
| generally extremely safe because if an update breaks your
| system you can just rollback to a previous Btrfs snapshot with
| one command and a reboot, wait a bit and issues are fixed very
| quickly.
| ragingrobot wrote:
| > microos (a transactional update rolling spin)
|
| While it was intended for servers, if you set it up right it
| can be an openSuSE equivalent of Fedora Silverblue, even
| better if you prefer Plasma as I do. It takes a little work
| to get to an exact equivalent (IIRC toolbox had to be
| installed and some extra set up after install).
|
| Also to note, if you don't want a rolling version, Leap does
| offer a transactional server option in the installer.
| rubyist5eva wrote:
| Yes, I've tested out the Gnome version of their
| transactional-update based Desktop. It was a generally good
| experience but I remember having issues with certain
| packages and ended up going back to regular Tumbleweed, but
| I'm hopeful for the future as it's very close to what I
| want out of the box - will definitely give it another try
| the future.
|
| I'm using a transactional-update based leap server for a
| container host right now and it's been awesome - I just
| upgraded it to 15.3 and seems to be working just fine as
| well.
| nix23 wrote:
| Well it is huge, but more in Europe, i seen many Big Corp's
| using SLES, an nearly everyone who uses SAP.
| Popegaf wrote:
| It's a nice OS, but my biggest pet peeve is that it doesn't
| come with h264 repos installed [0]. One has to first add them
| otherwise one won't be able to play most videos or music in
| your browser. Some configuration is therefore necessary and I
| can't just install it in 15 minutes then hand it over to the
| owner.
|
| It's a pity because the fastest way to scare the average user
| away from Linux is to force them to open a shell in order to
| have a working setup. Hopefully that's something that'll
| change.
|
| As a technical user, I enjoy it though. YaST is great for
| configuring many parts of the system, the documentation is
| great and it's stable. If Nix ever gets usable, I might give it
| a shot, but it's OpenSuse all the way for now [1]
|
| [0]: https://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories
|
| [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYRlTISvjww
| COGlory wrote:
| You can technically add the repos through Yast, but I agree,
| it's a pain.
| usr1106 wrote:
| Yes, you need a repo from Packman. Less than 15 minutes to
| set that up if you know what you are doing. Yeah, if you
| don't install a new machine frequently you will have
| forgotten the details until the next time. And some guides on
| the net are not as good as others. Haven't done it myself for
| many months, so once again I don't remember it in detail.
|
| I guess the reason is that their corporate lawyers tell them
| that they must not do it. There might be patent issues buried
| in that code.
| rubyist5eva wrote:
| Doesn't Ubuntu require you to manually install restricted
| extras, and fedora needs rpm fusion. I don't see how this is
| more advantageous than just enabling packman in yast and
| switching the packages over with a single click.
| usr1106 wrote:
| I think no longer. I installed a new Xubuntu a bit more
| than a year ago and so far all videos from the Web and they
| few DVDs I have watched did just work. I was a bit
| surprised by that.
| TheCondor wrote:
| Could be because it's European.
|
| openSUSE has a nice pacing, it's new enough to be a great
| platform but it's not changing so quickly you need a fresh
| installation every handful of months or you're constantly
| fixing things. The tooling is good as well, there are some
| aesthetic things I kind of dislike (like some of the config
| files in /etc should be a layer deeper, ATMO) but it works well
| and it's well made. Major upgrades tend to work and aren't that
| scary.
|
| The transactional system versions (MicroOS and then TW can be
| installed as "transactional") are potentially game changers.
| The snapper integration with btrfs and grub makes a really
| compelling case if you've ever needed it; btrfs seems like it's
| getting closer and closer.
|
| This is my interpretation: If you go back to when RHEL was
| spawned, there were sort of two distinct styles of Linux
| systems, they were very much and east coast and west coast sort
| of style. UNIX dorks may disagree with this, but SuSe has
| provided something more like a European style. They have tools
| for updating configuration files and they provide some opinions
| on how things should be run. Once you get used to it and in to
| it, it's nice.
| didibus wrote:
| Leap and what I use Tumbleweed are great. I highly recommend it.
| I use them over Ubuntu as my desktop and laptops OS, it's been
| great all around.
| nix23 wrote:
| Tumbleweed is great for User-devices and Leap for Servers and
| "Enterprise"-Devices. It's a great combination.
| Arnavion wrote:
| It also exists for the PinePhone. [1] [2] I'm looking forward
| to trying it when I receive it.
|
| [1]: https://en.opensuse.org/HCL:PinePhone
|
| [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCrGi8hsGhY
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