[HN Gopher] ST3 Update now is ST4
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ST3 Update now is ST4
Author : sherincall
Score : 31 points
Date : 2021-05-26 15:25 UTC (7 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (forum.sublimetext.com)
| nzgrover wrote:
| This was a bit of a shock this morning for sure. Leaves a bad
| taste in the mouth. Maybe it's time to commit to neovim after
| all.
| woodruffw wrote:
| I had this happen to me this morning on macOS: I saw there was an
| update available, accepted it, and ended up with ST4. I was
| planning on buying it in the immediate future anyways, but having
| it sprung on me actually saved me $10 (thanks to the release
| period discount).
|
| Overall, I'm not too upset about this -- a lot of the commenters
| in the linked thread seem to think that software shouldn't change
| major versions without (more) explicit consent, but ST4's
| backwards compatibility appears to be perfect so far (I have all
| kinds of weird personal plugins that use less-documented parts of
| the ST API, and they're all still working). They could have
| certainly made the update message clearer, but I don't think the
| developers deserve the kind of indignation they're receiving.
| threatofrain wrote:
| Software updates shouldn't leave the user with nothing unless
| they pay. Also, on Linux, there is no indication that the prior
| license would be invalid, or that the upgrade required further
| payment.
|
| And the prior license had no expiration date, and the new one
| expires in 3 years.
| woodruffw wrote:
| > Software updates shouldn't leave the user with nothing
| unless they pay.
|
| I didn't leave it unregistered for long enough to confirm
| this, but: ST has _historically_ been fully functional even
| when unregistered -- the _only_ difference between a
| registered and unregistered copy is /was the nag dialogue
| they display every 10 saves. I don't think it's accurate to
| say that this update "leaves the user with nothing" -- the
| update was fully functional (and reversible!) right out of
| the box.
|
| > Also, on Linux, there is no indication that the license
| would be invalid, or that the upgrade required further
| payment.
|
| Same on macOS. I agree that this should have been made _much_
| more explicit.
| pupdogg wrote:
| Also happened to me this morning. I gave-in and paid for the
| upgrade since I've been a happy Sublime user since inception.
| However, I am very disappointed in the overall performance
| compared to ST3. Indenting code via TAB takes approx. 500-850ms
| and is a noticeable delay that would annoy just about anyone.
| Overall it's a bit shocking. It seems like the creator could've
| been short on dough and came up with this dark strategy.
| Nicksil wrote:
| If you have any plug-ins installed, try uninstalling/re-
| installing to see if one of them might be the culprit. What
| you're describing isn't normal behavior.
| pupdogg wrote:
| I will try that. However, I have 2 more instances of
| problematic behavior which should be alarming to everyone:
|
| 1. I store my project/workspace files under ST's root
| installation folder and the upgrade DELETED them all
|
| 2. I'm running ST on Win10 and after the upgrade, ST4 is now
| installed under "C:\Program Files\Sublime Text 3". You would
| think that there'd be a post-install script to check
| executable path for 3 and change it to 4.
| bmh wrote:
| On Ubuntu it's as easy as an `apt upgrade`.
|
| Although I pay the fee happily, this does seem wrong. It seems to
| me that as a software provider you have two choices:
|
| 1. Make it a monthly (or whatever) subscription for the latest
| version (eg Photoshop)
|
| 2. Charge for a new version (eg apt install ST3 vs apt install
| ST4)
| swiley wrote:
| 3. Let users pay for new features via something like patreon or
| a consulting firm (depending on if it's a B2C or B2B
| relationship.)
| javagram wrote:
| Seems like a bad UI caused by the change that means anyone who
| bought ST3 in the last 3 years can upgrade to ST4 with their
| current license.
|
| They should have released a small ST3 update that detects if the
| license would be valid for ST4 and prompts the frictionless
| upgrade only for this case, and otherwise maybe just makes an
| alert that a paid update is available if you want it.
|
| I am planning to upgrade though as I'm a satisfied user of ST2
| and ST3.
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