[HN Gopher] Sixth grader expelled after Zoom provided possibly i...
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Sixth grader expelled after Zoom provided possibly inaccurate IP
address
Author : WarOnPrivacy
Score : 73 points
Date : 2021-05-22 20:40 UTC (2 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.ajc.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.ajc.com)
| content_sesh wrote:
| > The Zoom bombers' public IP addresses matched Malachi's -- but
| four other students who did not appear to be Zoom bombers were
| also listed as having Malachi's public IP address, an
| impossibility since they were not in the same house, said Scott
| Moulton, a Woodstock-based forensics expert hired by the attorney
| working on Malachi's case.
|
| So in other words, 5 students plus the zoom bomber had the same
| "public IP address" (probably due to NATing) in this list, and
| they picked him as the culprit. What did they do, roll a dice?
| liveoneggs wrote:
| the article keeps saying "LOCAL ip address" and "reconfigure his
| router" so it appears they might be talking about 10.0.0.0/8
| addresses.
| sschueller wrote:
| "Our apologies, unfortunately our website is currently
| unavailable in most European countries due to GDPR rules."
|
| It's 2021, Come on.
|
| Also I'm in Switzerland which is not in the EU and not part of
| the GDPR.
| bpodgursky wrote:
| This website owes you nothing.
| portemonnaie wrote:
| Why should they bother to cater to EU rulings?
| greenwich26 wrote:
| Evidently they don't, since I live in the EU and I was able
| to bypass their retarded IP-block in one click.
| lucb1e wrote:
| Well they do. If they didn't care and weren't planning to
| comply with EU rulings, they wouldn't have put a block in
| place to avoid processing data of EU citizens.
|
| (Also, 90% of complying with GDPR is just ethics -- tell if
| you sell data to third parties, ask consent if you want to do
| nonessential processing, etc. -- and 10% is adding
| boilerplate text like reiterating your rights. But that's a
| bit of a separate discussion, I just feel like most people
| are not aware of this when starting these discussions and it
| might be good to know when talking about the topic.)
| [deleted]
| underseacables wrote:
| How long do we reach a point until the police finally recognize
| an IP address is not a person?
| sathackr wrote:
| Don't think the police were involved here? Regardless the [bad]
| police will never care and the good ones are likely mostly
| ignorant.
|
| It's the judges and DAs that need to learn.
|
| Even more so now with more carriers doing CGNAT (and this
| number will go up as IPv4 gets more and more expensive.)
| elliekelly wrote:
| There isn't a DA involved because it isn't a criminal matter
| and there isn't a judge involved (yet) because there isn't a
| law suit (yet). It's the local school board who needs to
| learn but I suspect they care more about saving face than
| this little boy's education or even their own. Here's hoping
| their appeal to the state board of education goes well.
| [deleted]
| ratww wrote:
| Archive copy: https://archive.is/OiQir
| WarOnPrivacy wrote:
| Appreciated
| ratww wrote:
| _> but four other students who did not appear to be Zoom bombers
| were also listed as having Malachi's public IP address, an
| impossibility since they were not in the same house_
|
| Could be Zoom messing up their logs, but could also be NAT from
| the provider.
|
| A few years ago, me and my sister noticed we had the same IPv4
| address, despite not living in the same household. We had
| different IPv6, though. It seems to be becoming more and more
| prevalent due to IPv4 exhaustion.
| jcomis wrote:
| also:
|
| _> Teachers also said Malachi's camera was on and he did not
| appear to be doing anything unusual _
|
| So he was supposedly doing this while on camera and in class?
| This case seems so absurd.
| wearywanderer wrote:
| While I agree the case is obviously absurd, I'm a bit
| confused what sort of evidence you think the webcam would
| give. In the hypothetical scenario where he did what he's
| accused of, and did it while on webcam, what would the webcam
| show? Probably just him looking at his screen, with maybe
| some typing noises? That wouldn't be evidence of _anything_ ,
| neither innocence nor guilt.
| spoonalious wrote:
| One of the things he's accused of of shouting racial slurs
| danellis wrote:
| You missed the worst part:
|
| > ... said Scott Moulton, a Woodstock-based forensics expert
| hired by the attorney working on Malachi's case.
|
| This forensics "expert" should know this.
| valleyer wrote:
| Yeah, sounds possibly like:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT
| dreamcompiler wrote:
| That was my first thought.
|
| I wonder what software reported the IP address? If it's the
| Zoom client then it's obviously meaningless because it's
| guaranteed to be in a private IP address range (if it's
| IPv4). If it's the Zoom server and CGN is being used by the
| student's ISP, then it's equally meaningless because while
| that will be a public IP address, it could be shared by 100
| households.
|
| I'm also assuming the "experts" didn't make the bone-headed
| mistake of failing to verify the IP address was in a public
| range, but I've seen dumber errors.
| matja wrote:
| This is DS-Lite (Dual Stack). Entire regions of ISP users may
| share a single IPv4 address. There are some IPv4-only websites
| I visit that show a CloudFlare captcha on every single visit
| (for 30 mins), presumably because they see a huge number of
| requests from this one NAT IP.
| ratww wrote:
| Interesting! I was not familiar with the term DS-Lite!
|
| https://techmusa.com/dual-stack-lite/
| m463 wrote:
| or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6_transition_mechanism#
| Dual...
| PurpleFoxy wrote:
| This is possible. Many users can be sharing the same IPv4 using
| CG-NAT. I have found that when using mobile internet, every
| site that uses IP bans has already banned me for a previous
| users actions.
|
| It's incredibly irresponsible to take action against someone
| based on their IP address alone.
| olyjohn wrote:
| Starlink uses CG NAT for IPv4 and just recently started
| dishing out IPv6 addresses.
| zu03776 wrote:
| https://web.archive.org/web/20210522204453/https://ajc.com/n...
| [deleted]
| KaoruAoiShiho wrote:
| Sounds like a story well suited for gofundme.
| diogenesjunior wrote:
| when the zoom ip is sus
| lostlogin wrote:
| How is a suspension that long even vaguely appropriate? At some
| point the school is just abandoning the kid and their future.
|
| If the kid did it there needs to be a punishment, but surely
| education is a key part of what needs to happen?
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