[HN Gopher] KolibriOS
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KolibriOS
Author : luke2m
Score : 138 points
Date : 2021-05-22 18:29 UTC (4 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.kolibrios.org)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.kolibrios.org)
| ekianjo wrote:
| > Have you ever dreamed of a system that boots in less than few
| seconds from power-on to working GUI?
|
| You mean every OS these days with a SSD?
| toomanyducks wrote:
| Assuming 'less than a few seconds' is actually accurate, that's
| not quite the case - I dual boot with a NVMe and SATA SSD, and
| even the NVMe (running Void Linux with runit) still takes about
| 30 seconds to power on. Absolutely 'fast enough' and not really
| something I think is worth the effort to lessen, but still not
| less than a few seconds.
| dsr_ wrote:
| I wonder what's going on.
|
| My firewall is an AMD 5130 (pre Zen) with 4 GB RAM and a SATA
| SSD, running Debian stable with sysvinit. It reboots in less
| than 30 seconds, which means that most of the time TCP
| sessions passing through it stay up.
| jorams wrote:
| That seems very extreme. My Arch install on an M.2 SSD boots
| to terminal in about 3 seconds, and X starts in about a
| second. The BIOS delay is roughly 5 seconds or so. Granted
| it's a fairly minimal install, but that shouldn't cause an
| order of magnitude difference.
|
| I don't think runit has an equivalent for `systemd-analyze
| blame`, but something is probably slowing things down by a
| lot.
| Lammy wrote:
| Working on update: 100% complete. Don't turn off your PC. This
| will take a while. Your PC will restart several times. All your
| files are exactly where you left them ;)
| de_Selby wrote:
| Windows drives me mad with this stuff any time I have to use
| it.
|
| I'm baffled by people still claiming "desktop Linux hasn't
| arrived" when they put up with this shit.
| turtles_ wrote:
| Except literally today I wanted to do a quick reboot of
| Ubuntu and I was stuck staring at "unattended-upgrade in
| progress during shutdown, please don't turn off the
| computer" for 30 minutes with no warning nor any indication
| of how long it would take. That managed to be far more
| infuriating than windows ever has with all of its update
| shenanigans.
| ptx wrote:
| Why would you enable unattended upgrades on a desktop
| computer (as opposed to a server)? Is this something
| Ubuntu enforces?
|
| If you don't enable this feature (which isn't enabled by
| default in Debian) you won't have this problem.
| turtles_ wrote:
| It was enabled by default in the standard desktop install
| (I didn't really customize anything I'm not a heavy user
| of desktop Linux). Of course I'll be disabling it next
| time I boot that partition. Point being Linux isn't
| immune to this type of annoyance.
| kaba0 wrote:
| As far as I know it is only Ubuntu that does anything
| similar.
| ASalazarMX wrote:
| Probably to deal with corruption from people applying
| library updates and not restarting their programs because
| they keep running fine in memory. I have no idea how many
| bug reports could be ascribed to this, but if we want a
| user-friendly Linux we have to put up with the safer
| update process. It's not lengthy at all, wait less than
| one minute and you're set.
| jkepler wrote:
| I haven't ever run into that in 8 years of running a
| various GNU/Linux distros (MeeGo, Elementary OS, Maemo,
| Sailfish OS, Debian)... though I've never run Ubuntu.
| jug wrote:
| At least if said OS is Solus or maybe Arch Linux, Clear Linux.
| These in particular can be crazy fast and literally boots in
| maybe three secs or so.
| encryptluks2 wrote:
| So the OS doesn't have a login username/password? Seems like a
| non-starter for most. I'm using full-disk encryption on Linux
| using systemd-boot and my OS boots pretty much as fast as this
| too.
| m1sta_ wrote:
| Well my dad could beat up your dad.
|
| (Enjoy this for what it is)
| luke2m wrote:
| For those who don't want to try it, here's the boot time. -
| https://youtu.be/j2KKkyBIXfA
| lifthrasiir wrote:
| Or you can try it online:
| https://copy.sh/v86/?profile=kolibrios
| irq-1 wrote:
| They should implement a WASM container.
| simlan wrote:
| Cool stuff. I Love the tiny OS paradigm since i first tried puppy
| Linux back in 06 (?). It is super fun what you can achieve with a
| trimmed to the basics desktop OS. I will give it a shot sometime
| soon.
| fouc wrote:
| > a free open-source operating system written entirely in
| Assembly. The operating system weighs only about 3MB and will
| boot in less than 3 seconds even inside a virtual machine.
|
| And it really is less than 3 seconds straight to desktop UI and
| ready to use immediately, incredible.
| phendrenad2 wrote:
| KolibriOS is an open-source Operating System for x86 (32-bit,
| 586-class and above). It is entirely written in assembly
| (assembled with FASM). It requires only 8MB of RAM to boot. It
| has a TCP/IP stack and USB support. It has a graphical user
| interface which is actually on par with most of the "lightweight"
| Linux window managers, such as LXDE (but I think LXDE is probably
| larger than this entire OS lol). It fits on a single floppy.
| cmrdporcupine wrote:
| Reminds me a bit of PC GEOS / GeoWorks Ensemble / Breadbox
| Ensemble from the 90s.
| JasonFruit wrote:
| GEOS etc. was amazing to me when I first used it as a child --
| it seemed like what computing should be. I don't remember what
| it was like in detail, but I remember the way I felt about it
| then.
| mraza007 wrote:
| Interesting to see how developers are making old hardware very
| useful.
|
| This will make huge impact on people who can't afford high end
| devices
| pvg wrote:
| Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22873298
| yosito wrote:
| This looks really cool. The screenshot is awesome. Though I'm a
| bit put off by the giant Facebook logo on the homepage. I find it
| odd for an OS like this to organize their community on Facebook.
| hn3333 wrote:
| off topic: this anti facebook stance by some people here on HN
| is getting ridiculous.. sad this is a comment here that
| apparently gets upvotes. I would say that if you do not care
| about Kolibri os just don't comment..
| GekkePrutser wrote:
| It's just not a great fit for an open source project IMO.
| They go to all this trouble to build something noncommercial
| without tracking, and then start requiring a commercial
| tracking platform to collaborate?
|
| In fact one of the reasons I use HN so much is because it's
| not doing any of that. And because I can choose what I read
| (rather than Facebook's algorithms deciding what appears on
| my timeline). I'm sure many people come here for that reason.
| This'll be a reason for the many anti-facebook sentiments.
| Because those sentiments are one of the reasons to come here
| :)
| gogopuppygogo wrote:
| There is no better way to get engagement than Facebook these
| days. People don't sign into forums on websites like they once
| did,
| GekkePrutser wrote:
| I see a lot of people moving away from Facebook here in
| Europe though. Maybe not in the US.. But about half of my
| friends were either never on FB or left it recently. The
| other half are still there. Mainly the older people in fact.
| The younger ones are on other stuff (like Instagram which is
| of course also facebook I guess)
|
| But I don't see it as viable as a sole outreach platform for
| that reason.
| spijdar wrote:
| People are downvoting this, maybe because of the fact-of-the-
| matter'ness, but I think this is probably true, coming from
| someone who despises Facebook. Especially for certain age-
| groups, Facebook is one of the few social networks you can
| assume people have logins on, and (maybe especially) niche
| communities need to lessen friction to get people involved.
|
| I don't know, I've never tried to create a public forum for
| this kind of thing, but I'd bet you'd get more activity out
| of facebook than some bespoke web forum or IRC/Matrix/what
| have you.
| oooooooooooow wrote:
| Yes, it was engineered to be this way intentionally,
| through unregulated competition rules and systematic
| killing of any open alternative by way of massive pumping
| of capital.
|
| We live in a disgusting scenario, we're held hostage by a
| racket.
| croes wrote:
| People don't sign into FB just for this.
| kxrm wrote:
| Sadly it's becoming more the norm to rely on other services for
| social interaction. The last company I worked for completely
| ditched forums in favor of Facebook groups for community
| support.
| GekkePrutser wrote:
| Yeah even open-source projects, like HomeAssistant moved to
| discord :(
|
| Matrix would be a much better choice IMO.
| heavyset_go wrote:
| This happens a lot, but I've recently worked with a couple of
| clients who are trying to own the communities they built
| after migrating to Facebook because "that's where everybody
| is".
|
| Turns out FB is capricious and has no problem pulling the rug
| out from under those companies and the communities they
| foster on Facebook without notice or recourse. Pages and
| groups with hundreds of thousands of followers can be wiped
| off FB and there's nothing your business can do about it.
|
| If I were in their shoes, I'd just use FB as a funnel to an
| online property that I own and control.
| Trufa wrote:
| It seems from the past somehow.
| fouc wrote:
| They could be using github or gitlab for their source code
| repository and then use gitter.im for the community perhaps.
| tomrod wrote:
| Gitter.im is a poor substitute for IRC, imo.
| nicbou wrote:
| I can understand. The maintainers might want to focus on
| maintaining their project, not the social network
| infrastructure for their community.
| yosito wrote:
| Matrix.org
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