[HN Gopher] Sublime Text 4
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Sublime Text 4
Author : ascom
Score : 1328 points
Date : 2021-05-21 03:06 UTC (19 hours ago)
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| Andaith wrote:
| I love Sublime Text!
|
| I don't know how I'd work out just how much more productive I am
| because of ST, but it'd be interesting to see.
|
| I've written 4 plugins so far. My most used two are:
|
| I created a tool to take a tab-separated table(when you copy data
| out of excel) and convert it into an insert statement to a temp
| table, so I could copy from excel, run a keyboard shortcut, run
| the output in MSSQL and have a temp table with all the data
| available(Yes, I know MSSQL has an import function. This is
| quicker and easier).
|
| Also, I switched to a mac and couldn't find a nice HL7 Message
| Sender, so I wrote my own as a ST3 plugin and it took on a life
| of it's own as a tool, with people in the company sending me
| feature requests and everything.
|
| Thank you Sublime Devs!
| happynacho wrote:
| It's been 84 years...
| roystonvassey wrote:
| Sublime Text is my first tool to install on any new notebook. As
| someone who spends more time in meetings than in writing code, I
| almost purely use it as a note taking app and nothing's come
| closer with just how easy it is to fire up a new note and get
| started! Thank you for building this.
| ThePhysicist wrote:
| I changed back to Sublime after using VSCode because the UI is
| just significantly snappier. VSCode has a ton more features but
| personally I don't think I need them, and the occasional lag when
| opening files or typing drove me mad. Sublime provides a perfect
| compromise between terminal-based editors like vim and fully-
| fledged IDEs, IMHO.
| bigyikes wrote:
| I was a Sublime user, then Atom, and now I'm a VS Code user. In
| 2021, what reasons are there to use Sublime over VS Code?
| Performance is the only one that comes to mind, but there are
| surely others... right?
| crazygringo wrote:
| I tried VSCode and Sublime each for a month earlier this year.
|
| I was surprised to find myself deciding on Sublime at the end
| of it.
|
| It came down to performance but also clutter. Sublime is
| _fast_. But also, VSCode just had too many panels and bells and
| whistles.
|
| And VSCode's defaults were just _all wrong_. Like trying to
| autocomplete every other word when I 'm typing text in a .txt
| file -- it's not even code! I couldn't believe how many random
| options I had to hunt down just to make typing usable and not
| trying to insert a million things.
|
| Typing in Sublime seems to operate... just how I expect it to.
| markus_zhang wrote:
| I think Atom also does that. I need to escape a lot during
| typing text files. Notepad++ also does that. But I do
| understand getting auto complete comfortable is difficult.
| contriban wrote:
| Now that you say it, I also feel that VSCode defaults are
| wrong. It's a bunch of small things that feel off.
| onion2k wrote:
| The defaults are there to onboard people, or to work for
| people who are light users. Any tool, not just VSCode, you
| use for hours with every day is worth spending some time
| configuring to the way you want and work well in. Learning
| it, configuring it, and even extending it with your own
| plugins, can pay huge dividends for your productivity.
| paxys wrote:
| Yeah, I use VS Code daily but it took me a very long time
| to set it up in the way I liked. Everything from colors,
| text/menu sizes, fonts, toolbars to shortcuts and more. I'd
| say ridiculous customizability is a big benefit of VS Code
| in that regard.
| jay_kyburz wrote:
| I don't like the super flat UI of VScode. I can see where
| things start and end.
| imbnwa wrote:
| Teams is also full of "doing too much" in the GUI too for
| what its worth. Seems to be modern Microsoft's thing.
| codeafin wrote:
| With Sublime Text, I enjoy not having to turn off data
| collection and thinking about if updates enable them again.
| dimmke wrote:
| Try VSCodium
| 1123581321 wrote:
| I prefer the performance, design, configuration management and
| plugin ecosystem of Sublime to VSCode. I also found Sublime
| Merge growing on me despite not intending to use it, so I think
| it's something about how the developers think, not just the one
| tool I've gotten used to.
|
| I don't know how to describe it, but there are a lot of little
| aggravations Sublime avoids.
|
| What Sublime doesn't have anymore is the community zeitgeist. I
| definitely feel more like I'm sticking to tried-and-true as a
| user these days, than something innovative, even though it's
| still innovative.
| woodruffw wrote:
| I've tried to make the switch from Sublime to VS Code a few
| times, and a few things consistently hang me up:
|
| * Performance, like you mentioned. I've very used to opening
| hundreds of megabytes of line-delimited data in my editor;
| anything that can't keep up with that immediately ruins my
| "tempo."
|
| * I don't really understand how to customize VS Code's UI. It
| has a lot of little toolbars and widget panels that I don't
| want (I have everything except for the edit buffer on Sublime
| removed), but I can't find any obvious way to permanently
| remove them. Maybe I haven't looked hard enough.
|
| * This one is largely my fault: 10+ years of Sublime Text have
| broken my brain, and VS Code's default bindings are _just_
| different enough to cause me significant annoyance. I 'm sure I
| could spend a couple of hours fixing them, but I'll admit that
| the thought gives me pause.
|
| On the other hand, I really like VS Code's session sharing
| feature (other than the shared undo/redo buffer). I'd love to
| see a version of that for Sublime!
| da39a3ee wrote:
| > I don't really understand how to customize VS Code's UI.
|
| I don't think you've tried :)
|
| View => Appearance has options for toggling all the "bars"
| ("status" bar, "activity" bar, "side"bar).
|
| Also zen mode is a very nice way to toggle to a mode without
| any toolbars (you can customize which show up in zen mode;
| just open the settings UI (Preferences => Settings) and type
| "zen".
| Xavdidtheshadow wrote:
| > VS Code's default bindings are just different enough
|
| FWIW, there's a ST keymap extension for VSCode:
| https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=ms-
| vscod...
|
| That's the first thing I installed when I switched (years ago
| now) and it made the process surprisingly seamless.
| tusharsadhwani wrote:
| FWIW, VS Code has a "zen mode" view which hides everything
| other than the editor window, which kinda makes it
| comfortable for people coming from vim, sublime and the like.
| Try it out sometime.
| FlashBlaze wrote:
| Thanks. Wasn't aware of this. I'm probably never going back
| to the default view.
| pkorzeniewski wrote:
| I've tried using VS Code after years of coding in Sublime Text
| but quickly returned to ST - VSC just felt so slow, bloated,
| sluggish and overall unpleasent that all other features didn't
| matter because it simply made writing code irritating, it felt
| like the IDE is more important than the actual code you write
| and the editor is less important than all the bells and
| whistles.
| LAC-Tech wrote:
| I switched to sublime text because VSCode makes you write
| /** * Block comments like this */
|
| where as I wanted to write /** Block
| comments like this */
|
| Seems like a trivial thing but it irritated the hell out of me.
| I didn't want the editor to put little asterisks in. I didn't
| ask it to. But it did.
|
| Sublime Text just does what I ask.
| fastball wrote:
| Right now the majority of development I'm doing is
| Python/JS/TS. I've been really liking the Pylance extension by
| the MSFT team for VSC, it is so much faster than Mypy etc.
|
| Then for JS/TS, the out-of-the-box support is what won me over
| from being a ST user for nearly 10 years.
| matt_s wrote:
| I've tried VSCode a few times hearing it was better for Elixir.
| I have a strong dislike, bordering on hatred, for IDE's. I
| don't want a bloated environment that gets in my way with
| features I don't want but seemingly can't turn off. VSCode
| feels like an IDE to me. Back in the day I moved away from
| Eclipse to Sublime and built command line tools to do what I
| needed with building releases (Ant - does that still exist? LOL
| I don't do java anymore).
|
| When you realize you want VSCode to look and feel like Sublime,
| and spend hours trying to tweak settings, turn things off, use
| Sublime keybindings, etc. why bother? Just use Sublime. Also, I
| like paying indie devs for their work.
| kelt wrote:
| Interesting, they have a limited 10 days offer $99 USD to $80
| USD. https://www.sublimehq.com/store/text
|
| Was this always the case for new revisions?
| BuyMyBitcoins wrote:
| If I had to guess it's because the announcement of the new
| version drives a large amount of traffic to site and they want
| to entice people with a sale while the new features are still
| exciting.
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| This is the first sale we've ever done. Thought really it's
| more of a delayed price increase :)
| hairofadog wrote:
| My text editor journey:
|
| * Dreamweaver
|
| * PSPad
|
| * TextMate
|
| * Try & Fail with Coda
|
| * Sublime Text
|
| * Try & Fail with Atom, BBEdit
|
| * VScode
|
| * Try & fail with Nova
| jokoon wrote:
| I love this editor, but this detail annoys me:
|
| https://i.imgur.com/wu6ZfSa.png
|
| Folding code with curly braces doesn't "eat" the brace. It's
| indent-based, not syntax based. There is a 2 or 3 years old issue
| on their github, and they don't plan to fix. A little annoying
| for a paying editor.
|
| Maybe they fixed it and I did not look up new settings?
| andrewmcwatters wrote:
| I was a trial user for years back in the Sublime Text 2 and 3
| days, then moved over to Atom when it was the hotness that was
| clearly Sublime Text inspired.
|
| Atom was just never fast enough. I still use it to this day, but
| I recently purchased a Sublime Text 3 license _just_ to use
| Sublime Text 4 while it was in development and now I use that
| alongside Atom.
|
| It really is incredible how immature Atom was. You literally
| could not multiline search and replace. Incredible.
| dvcrn wrote:
| I've been using ST4 since the early dev builds and there is just
| no editor that makes me as productive as SublimeText. I tried
| everything under the sun from going with VIM/nvim for the
| majority of the time, vscode, atom, intellij, emacs (spacemacs).
|
| The plugin ecosystem picked back up when Sublime started pushing
| out dev builds. The editor improved, got much faster, the plugin
| APIs expanded. Right now with my ST4 setup, I'm in coding ZEN.
| It's super snappy no matter what I throw at it, looks great, I
| know how to configure any keybinding I want, how to add new
| functionality with own plugins.
|
| To me ST4 is a bit like VIM with customizations, except that it's
| much faster than VIM.
|
| Happy to see ST4 got released and hoping it will attract people
| to consider it again.
|
| (SublimeMerge is also a really great product)
| dschooh wrote:
| Would you mind talking a bit about your setup, what plugins you
| use and wrote yourself?
| zfxfr wrote:
| I love Sublime Text. Like many have said already it is indeed
| really performant. What I like the most is that I can open large
| files (say 600Mb files) and do stuff like regex search and
| replace with great performance. This would be pretty much
| impossible with Atom, or Bracket , or Vscode. I also found ST UI
| really simple and not bloated.
| pablodev wrote:
| Am i the only one who doesn't like it ? :(
| wbond wrote:
| One of the features I am most excited about it tab multi-select.
| The simplicity of using it versus traditional pane management is
| really key, in my opinion.
|
| Instead of having to manage groups and the files within them, tab
| selections are very fluid and low overhead. From the user
| experience perspective, I think they are as fundamental as
| multiple selections and Goto Anything are.
|
| There are some docs at
| https://www.sublimetext.com/docs/tab_multi-select.html. However,
| I recommend opening a folder and holding down ctrl/cmd when
| selecting files from the side bar, Goto File, tab bar,
| Definitions popup, etc.
|
| It integrates well with ctrl+tab, and the Definitions navigation
| flow is pretty user-friendly.
| losvedir wrote:
| Oh wow! Thanks for pointing this out, that really does sound
| interesting. Until your comment, I had thought tab multi select
| meant you could do multicursors now across tabs.
| zbrozek wrote:
| I am perfectly satisfied with my existing (and now expired)
| Sublime Text license. Yet I just bought an upgrade anyway because
| I'm so happy with the software and the developer that I simply
| wanted to support them through further development regardless.
| sim_card_map wrote:
| Wait, older versions of ST were NOT rendered by GPU?
| grishka wrote:
| I'm still using Sublime Text 2 on macOS Mojave and sometimes,
| but not always, if I take a screenshot of it, the text gets
| captured without syntax highlighting despite being highlighted
| on screen. So it's definitely doing some graphical shenanigans
| to render text as fast as it does.
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| No, previous versions rendered purely on the CPU. We did use
| the GPU on macOS to draw to the window itself, but actually
| rendering the frames was still done on the CPU.
|
| Unless you're doing something graphically intensive you don't
| need a GPU at lower resolutions. At higher resolutions (or with
| much slower CPUs) you do need a GPU to keep up though.
| ghshephard wrote:
| I'm a Data Engineer that works all day with all sorts of data,
| most of which gets streamed through python, dataframes, some
| sqlite, lots of awk/sed - but at least a half dozen times a day,
| every day, I drop a massive chunk of text into Sublime and crank
| through it - its progressive regex, fast filtering,
| search/replace are just coded into my finger DNA - It handles
| absolutely huge files that would cripple something like vscode -
| I understand why some people who have been using Textmate for 20+
| years will never use another tool as their primary text-editor -
| once you've found "the one" - it almost becomes part of you.
|
| Happy to buy every version of Sublime that ever gets released.
| pood wrote:
| What makes textmate special? (What is textmate? ...idk)
| O_H_E wrote:
| > its progressive regex, fast filtering, search/replace are
| just coded into my finger DNA
|
| Not a Data Engineer (yet?) but that sentence definitely apply
| to me.
| pablodev wrote:
| Am I the only one who doesn't like the layout? I really liked
| Sublime 3, I use it on a daily basis but something doesn't look
| right on this Sublime 4 :( idk
| mszcz wrote:
| Is there any way to get it to render at over 60Hz? I've got a
| high refresh rate monitor but Sublime still renders in 60Hz. I've
| enabled the hardware_acceleration and it shows up in the console
| but still no dice.
| mszcz wrote:
| Oh, I was wrong, sorry. It turns out that it does render in
| 120Hz but the smooth scrolling is somehow still capped at 60Hz.
| Is there a way to fix _that_?
| mekkkkkk wrote:
| I recently discovered that a friend of mine was a big fan of
| Sublime. Said friend doesn't do any coding, and isn't at all
| technical, so I was curious. Turns out that it's used a lot by
| their circle of colleagues in the editorial text world as a fast
| and approachable tool for bulk editing large, raw text files (as
| in manuscripts, books, manuals, etc.). Makes sense!
| jfvinueza wrote:
| How long does it take to open is not the meaningful metric; what
| matters is what happens afterwards. And yes, most Electron apps
| do get sluggish under load: Spotify is alright for adding the
| first 20 songs; then searching >> adding to playlist takes twice
| as long; then triple that, and then it's downright unusable. "But
| 90% of the time it's fine...". Ok, but that didn't used to be the
| case with mediamonkey on a Pentium III, or did it?
|
| VS Code is perfectly fine if you're being sensible: you're
| editing a dozen files in a single project. It's not not so fine
| if you've got 12 files open on three different projects, or
| you're sharing your screen, or you've never closed the editor for
| a couple days. It's being built with care, for sure, and yet you
| do feel the load, you do have to take resources into account, you
| have to be responsible. Do I need to Invest on higher end machine
| for the purpose of Editing Text Files? There are times on Emacs
| when I suddenly realize I've opened a hundred, 150 buffers,
| simply because I've never felt any load. And Emacs is the heavy
| one! Sublime was the first editor I used "for real", and it was
| absolutely awesome. I switched to VS Code for all its shiny
| features and started to think that yes, it had its sluggish
| moments, but it simply saved too much time, it was way too
| efficient to leave. Well, it isn't. Lightweight tools have an
| steeper curve, but they draw no boundaries for you, they don't
| hold any usage agenda; they do, in a way, set you free.
| babaganoosh89 wrote:
| > TypeScript, JSX and TSX Support
|
| It doesn't seem like Sublime ships with the Typescript language
| server by default, not sure if I'd call syntax highlighting as
| support.
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| It's the same support we supply for every language. Syntax
| highlighting drives our goto-definition, goto-symbol, auto-
| complete and more.
| CGamesPlay wrote:
| This is interesting. Does that mean that it's not possible to
| goto-definition for a file that isn't open? What about goto-
| definition of a file in a different module?
|
| Combining syntax highlighting and code navigation seems like
| a reasonable approach, I'm just curious how it works.
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| Goto-definition, goto-anything and now auto-complete use
| the folders you have added to the project (under Project >
| Add Folder to Project...). We use all these things
| internally to navigate our (relatively large) C++ codebase.
| jeswin wrote:
| From the announcement text, I assumed Language Server support
| as well. Not your fault, since you haven't mentioned it
| specifically.
|
| However, Language Server is way more than syntax support and
| a huge time saver for Typescript developers. You'll need it
| to attract Typescript developers, especially since your
| customers are likely to be advanced users.
| NoInkling wrote:
| There's a package for it at least.
| emteycz wrote:
| This repo seems to disagree: https://github.com/sublimelsp/LSP-
| typescript (please correct me if I am wrong, I can't test it
| now)
|
| Perhaps you need to install TypeScript compiler into the
| project? VSCode bundles that too, ST4 might not.
| hn8788 wrote:
| The language server isn't included, but the syntax is.
| jacobkg wrote:
| Sublime Merge by the same folks is also fantastic. My favorite
| visual fit client
| O_H_E wrote:
| *git
| peteretep wrote:
| My workflow at the moment is VS Code for TS/JS but Sublime
| Merge for when I need to interact with git, ignoring the built-
| in VS Code stuff.
| madis wrote:
| Vim
| PascLeRasc wrote:
| What's the best way to have both Sublime 3 and 4 on my Mac? Would
| it be to rename 3 in ~/Applications and its subl to subl3, then
| download 4 and let it run as-is?
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| https://www.sublimetext.com/docs/side_by_side.html
| NetOpWibby wrote:
| I'm just glad the default theme doesn't suck anymore. And it
| respects Dark Mode!
|
| Neat.
| O_H_E wrote:
| > `subl -` can now be used to read from stdin on all platforms
|
| Cool, with how fast sublime startsup, I bet I will be using it in
| some pipelines with things like `vipe` (from moreutils). pasting
| things into sublime for quick text manipulation with regex
| replace and multiple carets is already a common occurrence in my
| workflow (things people use sed/awk for, but this is the
| "discoverable" way I am used to).
| saagarjha wrote:
| For some reason this is really slow for me, and I am not quite
| sure why. It seems to literally update the buffer line-by-line
| as input comes in, which is kind of unfortunate for large
| inputs...
| ElectronBadger wrote:
| This is my go-to editor for R, MATLAB, Python, Julia and Markdown
| notes. Fabulous!
| agys wrote:
| I love ST.
|
| As many stated here one of its strengths is speed: I "close" the
| editor when I'm done with it and I reopen it when needed: the
| boot time is <1s; but the speed is not just loading, it's all
| over the application. It really feels like a very sharp tool and
| I'm so used to it that I hardly can work with anything else
| because it would feel clunky.
|
| Voila, I just wanted to share my appreciation to the ST team.
| stephc_int13 wrote:
| Sublime Text is my favorite tool by a long shot, even if I have
| to admit that I am impressed by the quality of VSCode,
|
| I came back to ST a few months ago when I experienced weird
| slowdowns on VSCode.
|
| I would love to see an integrated terminal.
| thejosh wrote:
| After having sublime have the same theme for years, changing the
| theme in v4 is very jarring. Is it possible to go back to the
| same theme that comes OOTB in v3?
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| The default theme hasn't changed from "Default" in ST4, though
| there have been some changes to it. The default color scheme
| however has changed from Monokai to Mariana. You can easily
| change it back using `Preferences > Select Color Scheme...`.
| You can also get back the old tabs - though they do have a
| reduced feature set - using the setting "file_tab_style".
| thejosh wrote:
| Ah awesome! Yeah, thanks, that's perfect. Have been a license
| holder of SL since 2013, so happy to renew :-)
| mekster wrote:
| Is there a good reason that I want to switch from IntelliJ if I'm
| satisfied with its functionality for web development except that
| I feel a lighter tool is certainly welcome.
|
| Usually what lighter editors miss is auto completions on SQL
| fragments as it has no ability to access remote database to
| analyze the table structures, so they end up as plain text
| fragment.
| Shadonototro wrote:
| - no GUI for settings
|
| - no proper file swap/search without having a file preview
|
| - still no LSP built-in
|
| - still no open source (want to edit something like the preview
| file issue, then you are out of luck and must wait for an update)
|
| - still no debugger built-in
|
| - still no terminal built-in
|
| It's paid and has many issues that doesn't exist in open-source
| alternatives..
|
| It's sad because i used to love ST, now it is VERY hard to
| recommend it
| SavantIdiot wrote:
| I feel bad using VSCode after years of supporting Sublime (by
| purchasing a license). However the one case where I do use
| sublime repeatedly? When I need to open an editor QUICKLY. It
| boots faster than VSCode, and frankly, it finally broke me of my
| constant habit of VIMming now that I have it on my mac, win and
| linux boxes. I am eager to try V4, but I'm so deep in VSCode now,
| I don't know if I can find my way out! I can even cross compile C
| and debug in VSCode!
| mekkkkkk wrote:
| I can relate. Huge fan of ST. I switched to VSC because of some
| integrations that were not available on ST. I hated it, it was
| only out of necessity. Everything on VSC just felt... sluggish,
| compared to ST. There's this barely noticeable input lag.
| Autocomplete seems to lag ever so slightly. The startup is just
| a smidge too slow. And so on in all dimensions.
|
| Alas, now I'm used to it, and I can't go back because of the
| same integrations that made me switch in the first place, and
| new ones I've found since. All the crispness and snappiness is
| gone in favor of deep features. I accidentally became an IDE-
| guy.
| lopis wrote:
| > Alas, now I'm used to it
|
| I tolerate it, but I hate it every day. So much bloat, so
| many useless notifications and fragmented interface.
| mekkkkkk wrote:
| Yeah, it's rough. A good thing about VSC is that it's
| atleast as configurable as ST is, though. You can disable a
| lot of functionality if you just take the time to read up
| on the config. You'll never make it as smooth as ST, but
| it's worth it to reduce the friction. If you're forced to
| use it, might as well make it as decent as possible.
| asiachick wrote:
| I don't get really get this "quickly" thing. I just checked, on
| my 2014 MBP my VSCode takes < 3 seconds to open a project from
| shutdown, including opening 14 files. Checking Sublime Text 3
| it's faster (1.5 seconds?) but 3 seconds it's not enough for me
| to care.
|
| I tested "Visual Studio". It takes ~10-12 seconds. For some
| reason VSC code fits within my threshold of "fast enough I
| don't feel like I had to wait at all" where as visual studio
| feels like I'm waiting. I guess your threshold is lower than
| mine though.
| sporedro wrote:
| I don't think sublime really compares to IDE's like vscode and
| jetbrains products.
|
| It sorta is in just the text editing realm similar to vim and
| emacs. Sure it can do more but I feel like it's not fair to
| compare it. That said sublime text is probably the only text
| editor I ever used that comes even close to competing with vim
| and emacs for text editing.
| sturmeh wrote:
| My favourite aspect of sublime is that the "sessions" are so
| reliable.
|
| I often just open it to jot something down, and before I know
| it I have 15-20 notes on separate pages, I'll consolidate and
| save them to a file somewhere or delete them if necessary.
|
| It's just a super reliable scratchpad and a versatile modern
| textfile editor.
| justsomeuser wrote:
| Pages as in tabs that are not saved to files?
| canadianfella wrote:
| > I feel bad using VSCode
|
| Why?
| rococode wrote:
| To me, VSCode competes with IDEs, Sublime competes with text
| editors. Startup speed accounts for a solid 95% of that
| distinction. If I need to make a quick edit to a file or write
| down a temporary (but reasonably persistent) note, the only
| tools I've tried that let me do that in less than 3 seconds are
| Sublime, Notepad, and Notepad++. Among those choices, Sublime
| is the clear winner in overall usefulness and functionality.
| Arainach wrote:
| I don't understand the startup time issue. Tools I use
| regularly like VS Code, IntelliJ, etc. are constantly running
| on my machine. I pay their startup cost once per reboot. Once
| they're running, they open files* as fast as Sublime for me.
| There maybe other use cases, but startup time feels pointless
| to me.
|
| *files of sizes I work work. I don't care about gigabyte-
| sized files; if I do, vim or my existing ST3 license are good
| enough.
| systematical wrote:
| Agreed, it's nice and fast. Sublime is my go to for notes,
| storing quick tidbits, quick macros (this has saved me lots
| of time), data editing, little bits of quick code, and SQL
| scratch pad. There is probably a ton more I could be using it
| for.
| sriku wrote:
| Settled into neovim for startup speed. My VSCode editor has
| vim keys too, so ... ohm! :)
|
| edit: My only gripe with VSCode currently is that it seems
| too eager to correct my typing.
| dawnerd wrote:
| I actually battle vscode every freakin day over
| autocomplete. It's really bad if you're writing php and
| happen to have a // phpcs somewhere, it'll convert <?php to
| <?phpcs which makes no damn sense.
| ianmcgowan wrote:
| For my use case, autocomplete of any kind is useless, so
| I turn it all off. When "in the zone" anything that
| distracts from getting ideas out of my head as quickly as
| possible is annoying. Also, zen-mode, FTW.
| "editor.acceptSuggestionOnEnter": "off",
| "editor.quickSuggestions": { "comments":
| false, "other": false, "strings":
| false }, "editor.wordBasedSuggestions":
| false, "extensions.ignoreRecommendations": true,
| senux wrote:
| By itself VSCode won't autocorrect you. You should take a
| look at your extensions settings.
| visarga wrote:
| Sometimes after I type a variable name (the whole word,
| not partial) it autocorrects it into something else. I am
| in the habit of hitting Esc after each word now.
| beermonster wrote:
| You can actually use this:
|
| https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=asvetli
| a...
|
| Actually uses a real backend neovim instance. Can't get
| better vim support than that! I find it a god-send when
| working in VSCode as the Vim key map alternative was slow,
| buggy, didn't have full support.
|
| Now I don't have to compromise.
| zumu wrote:
| VSCode is much much faster than the popular IDEs (namely,
| IntelliJ) in my experience.
|
| I'd say it occupies a middle point between full IDE and text
| editor.
| unknown_error wrote:
| Is VSCode still fast after you add enough plugins to make
| it reach feature parity with IntelliJ?
|
| I've tried VSCode a few times through the years, but it
| always seemed like I needed at least a dozen plugins to get
| all the features I have out-of-the-box with PhpStorm. I
| guess it's a philosophical difference between modular
| components and a big ol' monolith (though, beneath the
| hood, IntelliJ IS modular... most of their software is just
| a branded collection of plugins, though all the major ones
| are first-party instead of community-driven like in
| VSCode).
| thrownaway561 wrote:
| you're comparing a text/code editor with a full fledge
| IDE. VSCode is _not_ an IDE, it is a glorified text
| editor with an amazing plugin system. if you need an IDE
| for what you do, use PHPStorm. I myself still use Visual
| Studio for a lot of the stuff that I do in .Net as I find
| I need the features it has.
| unknown_error wrote:
| I mean, let's be honest, the difference is getting
| blurrier and blurrier as "text editors" gain more
| features over time. And workflows, too, aren't that
| clear-cut... is it wrong for a "text editor" to include
| built-in autocomplete or git support? What about project-
| wide regexp search, or is that a better tool for grep?
| Etc.
|
| At the end of the day, I don't care what a program is
| classified as, only if it can do what I need it to do.
| Like many here, I've used Sublime for its speed on simple
| edits and other editors/IDEs for more complex dev work.
| That's fine. But VSCode occupies that in-between space,
| offering a mix of performance and features.
|
| The holy grail for me would be something like PHPStorm
| but with better performance. I wonder if Java has
| something to do with it, vs it being built as a native OS
| app? I don't remember Visual Studio (the full IDE, not
| VSCode) being this slow, ever, even on old Windows 95
| machines. And even back then it was pretty feature-
| complete too, especially compared to VSCode if not
| IntelliJ.
|
| I guess my underlying question is whether it's really
| impossible for an IDE to be both fast and featureful.
| The_rationalist wrote:
| Intellij mitigate this with
| https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/lightedit-mode.html
| chrisan wrote:
| Very true, the more features a product has the slower it
| opens. That middle ground is why I don't use VSCode
|
| If I want the best IDE, its something from JetBrains. It's
| definitely the slowest to open up, about 9 seconds on my
| machine, and I wouldn't think of opening a multi GB json
| file in it, but past that initial open its just as fast as
| sublime (again on my machine).
|
| If I want the fastest text wrangler or dealing with a
| massive file, its Sublime. Having used all 3, VSCode just
| leaves me wishing I opened one of the others.
|
| The best thing about VScode is that it is a really good
| (just not the best) IDE that is also free
| Siira wrote:
| `emacsclient` gives you the best of both worlds. Instant
| startup, with as much added sugar as you can stomach.
| greyman wrote:
| For me, I use Goland and Pycharm as IDE, and VS Code as
| editor. I also used Sublime, but found that VS Code somehow
| surpassed it, and startup speed is also very fine (if you
| have strong computer :-)).
| SavantIdiot wrote:
| That's an excellent point. There really is a continuum that I
| overlooked.
| beermonster wrote:
| Same. I don't tend to need an IDE all that often. More often
| I want to read code and I need something that opens up FAST
| with good support for a WIDE variety of languages out of the
| box. ST ticks that box for me.
| yashap wrote:
| Not just startup speed, but speed/efficiency, period. I use
| Sublime a lot to manipulate decently large csv, json, etc.
| files. Multi-cursor text wrangling still works well even with
| 10s of thousands of cursors, VSCode chokes hard way before
| that.
| cdmckay wrote:
| Maybe I'm weird, but I don't usually close VS Code, so this
| isn't an issue for me.
| recov wrote:
| I don't think I've ever manually closed my text editor
| outside of reboots.
| fouric wrote:
| There's very rarely a good reason to do so. The vast
| majority of times when I find people saying that they use
| a tool for its startup time, it's _not_ because they
| actually have a good reason for not keeping their editor
| running (e.g. memory usage), but instead because they
| just don 't _want_ to.
| fouric wrote:
| > When I need to open an editor QUICKLY
|
| Do you actually ever _need_ to _open a new editor_? Why not
| just start whatever editor you want when you boot up, and then
| open files in it?
|
| You probably don't shut down and start up your web browser
| every time you want to open a new site, so why would you do the
| analogue with your text editor?
| doodpants wrote:
| > Do you actually ever need to open a new editor? Why not
| just start whatever editor you want when you boot up, and
| then open files in it?
|
| Speaking only for myself and not the GP: due to a lifelong
| habit of putting things away when I'm finished with them, I
| always close windows and quit applications when I'm done
| using them for my current task.
|
| > You probably don't shut down and start up your web browser
| every time you want to open a new site
|
| Not literally every time I visit a new site, but yes, I quit
| my browser every time I'm finished with my current browsing
| session, even if I might end up launching it again in 10
| minutes for a different reason.
| fouric wrote:
| > due to a lifelong habit of putting things away when I'm
| finished with them, I always close windows and quit
| applications when I'm done using them for my current task
|
| ...but that's not a _need_ - that 's a _preference_ , a
| habit, with no root in any utility or tradeoff.
|
| > but yes, I quit my browser every time I'm finished with
| my current browsing session
|
| That puts you in the minority of tech users, at least, if
| not computer users in general.
| LordGrey wrote:
| > When I need to open an editor QUICKLY.
|
| I solved this need long ago with BBEdit (hi Rich!): I leave it
| running all the time. It is the only application that starts
| with my user login, and it is always available.
| GongOfFour wrote:
| I have VS Code running 99.99% of the time. If it's open then it
| pretty much loads any file < 50mb instantly for me.
| dawnerd wrote:
| I don't want to take any thunder away from Sublime but VSCode
| basically opens instantly on M1.
| skavi wrote:
| You almost definitely speak the truth, but that kind of
| attitude towards performance is why so many apps are so awful
| to use now. Especially if you can't afford the newest Mac.
| reader_mode wrote:
| M1 macs are the first Apple devices where I feel you're
| getting excellent value for money and they are super
| affordable for what they are.
|
| These are professional tools, you're going to need to
| invest into hardware to get a good experience - if you
| value your time at all you'll be spending a good ammount of
| money on a laptop, high quality chair, good desk, monitor
| and peripheral.
|
| If you're an amateur or a student then you can afford to
| wait.
|
| It's like me complaining that my amateur drill overheats on
| hard surfaces and I can't drill through stuff realiably
| without cracks - if I need to do a few holes here and there
| the cheap stuff will do, if I do this for a living I'm
| expected to have gear that will save me time and improve my
| results.
|
| Performance is a feature, and it doesn't rank very high
| past some critical threshold (which is why people switched
| to VSCode - other features matter more)
| nix23 wrote:
| You sound like a really amateurish marketing firm.
| reader_mode wrote:
| What am I selling exactly ? The idea that it's ridiculous
| to expect people to optimise professional tools for your
| 5+ years old hardware ?
| dralley wrote:
| Sure. If it works on 5 year old hardware, it almost
| certainly works even better on new hardware. I don't find
| this an unreasonable expectation.
| kamranjon wrote:
| Vscode existed long before m1 macs. I think designing
| software that only has acceptable performance on hardware
| that doesn't even exist yet is where the contention lies.
| That's hyperbole but I think what is being discussed is
| more the tendency of developers to be lazy when it comes
| to performance because the latest and greatest hardware
| makes their software snappy.
| nindalf wrote:
| The one I'm using is $1000. That's a bit pricey, but
| strikes me as reasonable value for money. Especially since
| this is the best performing laptop I've ever used.
|
| I get what you're saying though. Many folks might only have
| budgets in the range of $500-800. With any luck, other
| manufacturers get their shit together.
| saagarjha wrote:
| Some people have budgets of $0; they have to use the
| device they're using currently. I'm already feeling
| empathy for them in a year or two once all their apps are
| written by software engineers on Apple silicon Macs who
| don't test performance on older hardware...
| threeseed wrote:
| All of the worst performing apps on OSX are cross-
| platform.
|
| So not sure why you're feeling sympathy when you will
| have exactly the same performance issues only without the
| power and efficiency of the M1 SOC.
| freddie_mercury wrote:
| If their budget is $0 then Sublime Text isn't an option,
| so I'm not sure what you're arguing here.
|
| Sublime Text costs $100.
| WJW wrote:
| I think GP was actually saying that with any luck the
| editor devs get their shit together and make their apps
| load fast even on older hardware.
| tshaddox wrote:
| Buying recent computer hardware for software performance
| reasons is hardly new, and hardly seems like something to
| be avoided.
| gofreddygo wrote:
| Sublime opens just as fast
|
| On my, 2015 Macbook pro (16 GB RAM)
|
| and my 2012 Macbook pro (2 GB RAM).
|
| Instantly.
|
| Nothing else on my 2012 Mac opens that fast. Not MacVim. Not
| emacs. Not TextEdit. Not even the terminal.
| pama wrote:
| Emacsclient is instant on any hardware I ever tried since
| the early 90s. I don't understand why people differentiate
| below the 100ms level.
| tdsamardzhiev wrote:
| Everything opens instantly on M1. Enjoy it while software
| hasn't slowed down accordingly.
| amatecha wrote:
| I mean... I would hope pretty much anything opens ~instantly
| on the most absolute cutting edge custom-designed SoC from
| one of the richest companies in the world. hahah ;)
| gofreddygo wrote:
| you would hope, yes you would hope.
| dawnerd wrote:
| Spotify must have missed the memo because it's by far the
| slowest app on my computer.
| jeromegv wrote:
| On M1, Sublime is still faster than VSCode to open. The
| bouncing icon is not even done bouncing back down that the
| whole project is open in Sublime. Yes still very fast in Vs
| Studio, but there's always something nice about Sublime being
| able to get to a file so quickly.
| nly wrote:
| VSCode opens <1 second on my Dell XPS as well.
| ghhhhhk8899jj wrote:
| For now... Wait a few months/a year and they will find a
| reason to "take advantage" of that increase in performance
| and slow it back down again.
| beermonster wrote:
| For people not fortunate enough to own an M1, it's a slow to
| start typical Electron app. Don't get me wrong, I love and
| use VS Code. But performance isn't in the same league.
|
| Sublime Text basically does what you describe above on ANY
| hardware.
| efdee wrote:
| Anecdotal, but on my Intel/Windows laptop, VSCode opens
| instantly and has my sizable project loaded in <1s.
|
| I have one Electon app that I wrote myself and it's pretty
| fast as well even though it deals with a boatload of
| things, and I didn't really put any special effort in to
| achieve that.
|
| Both on my current laptop (which is admittedly a 10th gen
| i7) and my older one (8th gen i5).
|
| Not to say that Sublime doesn't load faster. I'd almost be
| surprised if it doesn't. But the whole "Electron apps are
| slow" trope really needs to go.
| beermonster wrote:
| It doesn't open instantly on my work (Windows) desktop.
| But then I don't care as I generally open it and leave it
| open all day.
|
| Same with Spacemacs. because of the way processes are
| more expensive on Windows, Emacs/Spacemacs is many order
| of magnitude slower than it is on *nix (the other places
| I use it). I tolerate it as I can't live without magit
| and Org and other staples.
|
| I find the crappy Slack app (another Electron app) is
| also slow to open, load and update. So much so, I prefer
| to use their web client in a browser.
|
| Anecdotal, also, but that's two Electron apps which are
| sluggish on fairly recent (3 years) hardware.
| teddyh wrote:
| > _Emacs /Spacemacs is many order of magnitude slower_
|
| Look into emacsclient.
| beermonster wrote:
| A good tip, and I indeed already use it.
| mekkkkkk wrote:
| Saying it's a trope is wild. In almost any comparative
| metric you could think of, they _are_ slow.
| mikkelam wrote:
| takes my M1 mac about 3s to open
| sudhirj wrote:
| macOS does a notarization check with Apple servers the
| first time, can take a while. On subsequent runs the
| certificate is cached, so should be much quicker.
| liquidise wrote:
| Happy to see Sublime still enjoying major version releases; i say
| this as a religious Textmate 2 user. Monocultures are rarely good
| for innovation and these projects monetizing in a sustainable way
| is a tide that raises all boats.
|
| Also, a few comments here are asking versions of "What does
| Sublime have that $MY_EDITOR doesn't?" For many the answer is
| simply "experience". The idea of swapping off of TM2 for me is
| daunting because of the sheer number of keyboard shortcuts i've
| memorized. Most i don't even know by heart but rather by hand
| position.
|
| How feature-rich an editor is should be less important than how
| feature-complete your understanding/usage is.
| chipotle_coyote wrote:
| > How feature-rich an editor is should be less important than
| how feature-complete your understanding/usage is.
|
| As someone who's in BBEdit five days a week, I definitely
| understand this. :)
| mokus wrote:
| It still doesn't suck?
| tomcooks wrote:
| I have never been that convinced to switch from vim to a closed
| source text editor as when I tried ST on Windows.
|
| It has a glorious interface and defaults that give your fingers
| wings. And maybe one day GPL license, who knows?
| anthonyaykut wrote:
| Nothing eats through the huge json & text files I have to check
| on a daily basis, nothing comes even close... while all the funky
| new kids have crashed and burned trying to process the data I
| have to ingest, ST has been the one and only trusted source.
| Bravo!
| PieUser wrote:
| I'd buy it if it weren't closed source...
| progx wrote:
| One of the few products that you can buy as closed source
| without hesitation.
| nhoughto wrote:
| I still need to upgrade from version 2, have been ignoring the
| update now prompts for a while now it seems!
| nly wrote:
| It's software like Sublime that sustains my faith in the software
| industry and why I'm still a developer.
|
| It's beautiful, efficient software that single-handedly proves
| that desktop software in 2021 doesn't have to be a shit, low
| quality side show to SaaS "apps" and mobile.
|
| Heaven knows what their code looks like. Perhaps it's best it
| never goes open source so we can sustain the Opera-esque magic of
| a <10MB binary that packs so much punch.
| pdpi wrote:
| Their Git client (Sublime Merge) is the first graphical git
| tool I've felt happy with.
| ncann wrote:
| Same. I've used a lot of git UI tools in the past
| (SourceTree, TortoiseGit, GitKraken, Tower, GitHub Desktop,
| SmartGit to name a few), but when I first tried out Sublime
| Merge I was blown away and never looked back. It was insanely
| fast. The UI makes sense and intuitive. Plus the killer
| feature which is customizable commands in every menu you can
| think of.
| rolleiflex wrote:
| I took a bet on Sublime Merge with some amount of skepticism
| and boy it has paid off. After two years of using it, git
| sort of makes sense now.
| postit wrote:
| I don't use sublime on my day to day, but I'm always happy to
| purchase their new licese when a new version ships for this
| reason.
| ctf1er wrote:
| I buy mostly nothing, use ms alternatives like libre office,
| blender, gimp, resolve, darktable, etc, but sublime text has
| been a fantastic lightweight ide, like a notepad++ or gedit.
| Even when other big companies are coming out with nice free
| smaller than before apps, I'm happy to have bought sublime. I
| find I can use many editors at the same time for different
| uses to separate my minutia.
| dvdyzag wrote:
| Version 4 accepted my version 3 license purchased in january
| 2019. Yay me!
| mobilemidget wrote:
| Yes accepts a max 3 year old v3 license. Mine is 8 and been
| worth it, just not another 70$ now that I'm force learning
| myself vi :-) 3 will remain fine for the quick things I
| want it to do
| k__ wrote:
| At least the technolgy of those "shit, low quality side show
| SaaS apps and mobile" allowed people to build apps that
| wouldn't be able to do so before.
| kwanbix wrote:
| I tried Sublime text and I really like it.
|
| But I have been a user of UltraEdit for many many years (maybe
| 20?) and I still find it much more natural to use.
|
| I found it while looking for an editor to replace Semware's
| Qedit (DOS).
|
| I wonder why UltraEdit has not much love here.
|
| I do find Sublime's price much better than UltraEdit.
| pkphilip wrote:
| Then there is SlickEdit which has been around for decades as
| well. I wonder how they are able to continue to be in
| business with all of the editors such as Visual Studio Code
| being available for free.
|
| https://www.slickedit.com/
| paulryanrogers wrote:
| Good question. I tried it for an embedded project and it
| didn't strike me as anything special. It could also be
| there are some great features hiding there that polyglots
| will never have the time to explore.
| GiorgioG wrote:
| I still have my original SlickEdit installation CD from
| long long ago. As far as how they can continue to be in
| business, easy - corporate maintenance licenses...
| BunsanSpace wrote:
| my work makes us use UltraEdit (custom langauge) and frankly
| I hated it so much I wrote a custom language plugin for
| sublime my self so I could switch back.
|
| UltraEdit just feels like it's stuck 10 years in the past.
| kwanbix wrote:
| In what way? I have used Sublime2 and 3, which might feel
| faster, VS Editor (I think is the name), much heavier, and
| Atom I think is the other. Never felt "wow, this is the
| future".
| BunsanSpace wrote:
| UltraEdit is clunky, the UI is very dated and the fonts
| are not well rendered.
|
| It's not fast and has a large lack of theme support
| (there's no solarized theme for it, which is industry
| standard at this point).
|
| I just didn't like it and would rather use a more modern
| editor, e.g. sublime. Only took a day or two to write the
| required plugins to get our language support for it.
| kwanbix wrote:
| I cannot disagree more with all that omyou said.
|
| The UI can be whatever you want.
|
| It has themes, and I understand you can create your own.
|
| I don't see how sublime is more modern. For me are very
| similar.
| globular-toast wrote:
| UltraEdit is probably the best text editor there is. Not the
| best IDE or anything, just the best text editor. It seems
| thoroughly underappreciated, though, for some reason.
|
| It's the only editor I'm aware of that can do do disk-based
| editing, that is you can open a file of multiple gigabytes
| quickly and edit it because it doesn't load the whole file
| into RAM.
| quickthrower2 wrote:
| That's pretty cool. I use vim for this particular need and
| it's quick to search through big files too
| istjohn wrote:
| Really? I've found Vim slows to a crawl on multi-GB
| files. Maybe that's changed recently or it was down to
| the plug-ins I was using?
| quickthrower2 wrote:
| I use vim out of the box with no plugins and on windows.
| Not sure if that makes a difference. I'm also typically
| not editing the file but searching logs.
| ok123456 wrote:
| It's probably from creating a backup copy. Compare
| performance when invoking 'view' instead of 'vim'.
|
| It could be from your plugins if they're doing something
| goofy.
| zerkten wrote:
| That's quite a claim. I'd put it up against EmEditor
| (https://www.emeditor.com/). Not only does EmEditor have
| amazing support for large files, it has Excel-esque GUI
| support for delimited files.
| softawre wrote:
| Neat. I use HxD for such a purpose.
| rjzzleep wrote:
| Another underappreciated editor is visual slickedit[1]
|
| It will happily allow you to edit TB large files
|
| [1] https://www.slickedit.com/
| rstupek wrote:
| I've used slickedit for at least 20 years on windows.
| It's definitely a good editor as well
| JaggerJo wrote:
| > I wonder why UltraEdit has not much love here.
|
| Just from looking at the screenshots on their site I wouldn't
| install it (because of it's ugly UI).
| Al-Khwarizmi wrote:
| First thing I do when installing it is to turn off the
| ribbon and set it to the good old menu-based UI. Which of
| course, might be "ugly" for you as well.
| kwanbix wrote:
| The UI is pretty configurable. You can use Menus, Menus
| with toolbars, or Menus with Ribbon. I use it only with
| menus.
| sigzero wrote:
| I have UltraEdit. It's okay. The wordfiles are woefully
| anemic to define languages. The snippet system as well. It
| really needs a revamp. Also, the MacOS version IS different
| from the Windows version. ST is the same on both platforms
| and that is important to me.
| calvin_ wrote:
| Windows based editors are a dying breed. The Unix and web-
| based editors have sucked the oxygen out of the room.
| choicenotchance wrote:
| Never heard of UltraEdit in 10yrs of my career, or came
| across it when searching for editors and IDEs.
| ok123456 wrote:
| UltraEdit was the best editor for Windows in the late 90s
| early 2000s. I remember asking my boss for it.
|
| The niche it filled was surpassed by Notepad++ and other
| free tools.
| quickthrower2 wrote:
| I remember using it in 1999 it was outstanding compared to
| what else was available on windows and I'm not a vim/emacs
| kinda person. Might give it another try
| frou_dh wrote:
| Just wait until 2030+ and then you may be the metaphorical
| boomer sticking with software no one else has heard of!
| copperx wrote:
| I mean, Emacs is a bit like that. Newer text editors and
| Vim captured all of the younger generation. I haven't met
| anyone using Emacs as their daily driver, except
| professors.
| thebrain wrote:
| You've probably never needed to work with really large
| files or edit/examine a fie in HEX, it really shines for
| these use cases.
|
| It's not really an IDE and I've never used it to write
| code.
| kwanbix wrote:
| That is what I wonder, UltraEdit is really nice.
|
| I have no relation to them by the way, latest version that
| I own is 26 something. While the latest release is 28
| something.
|
| Maybe it is because 28 years ago, when it first released,
| internet was just starting.
|
| Sublime is "only" 13 years old, so internet was already
| very much mainstream.
|
| But it is really good. Very fast. I love the column mode.
|
| If I search for UltraEdit in HN, the latest post if from 10
| years ago, when they announced the Mac version:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2019148
|
| Crazy.
| eurekin wrote:
| I can answer from my experience.
|
| I've learned about mac text editors from online ruby on
| rails tutorials. Both TextMate and SublimeText put me in
| awe, coming from windows based development they seemed
| much more polished. It was specifically marketed as
| distraction free and a lot of my university peers
| preferred them over whatever tutors were trying to push
| down our throats (mostly eclipse at that time).
|
| I'd hazard a guess it's just marketing that makes the
| difference in popularity. I've seen both Sublime and
| TextMate being used a lot in talks. They tend to present
| very well in, ehrm, presentations. Try doing that with
| UltraEdit. Toolbars and other "cruft" get in the way
| rattray wrote:
| That's incredible.
|
| From the website it looks like a Windows-oriented tool.
| If it weren't for your product I wouldn't have even
| guessed they had a Mac version. I bet they'd do much
| better with adoption if they customized their homepage
| screenshots to the platform viewing the page...
|
| For others curious about Column Mode, here's their link
| with a nice video:
| https://www.ultraedit.com/support/tutorials-power-
| tips/ultra...
|
| Apparently in VS Code you can do similar things: https://
| code.visualstudio.com/docs/editor/codebasics#_column...
| 1. Hold |[?] and drag for box select. 2. Press
| |[?][?]| for "column select down" 3. Run "Toggle
| column selection mode" and ||.
|
| (Still looks like UltraEdit has some very powerful
| features for manipulating text in columns, like aligning
| whitespace).
|
| TIL. Looks great!
| bradstewart wrote:
| In VSCode you can also middle-click (the scroll wheel on
| a mouse) and drag to do column select.
| kwanbix wrote:
| But what I lick of UE is that you can do everything with
| your keyboard, no need to use the mouse.
| artimaeis wrote:
| The same is true of the "column edit" functionality in VS
| Code. I don't think there's anything that requires the
| mouse, especially since from the keyboard you can invoke
| the command window to run any function.
| exhilaration wrote:
| In Notepad++ you would just alt+drag, no need to enable a
| special mode. It looks pretty much exactly like what's in
| that video.
| jacekm wrote:
| Or alt+shift+arrows if you don't want to use mouse.
| kwanbix wrote:
| It could be because they started as a Windows only
| product, then they produced a Linux version, and finally
| the Mac version.
|
| I have only used the Windows/Linux versions. By the way,
| with one license you can use all 3 platforms.
|
| I actually use the Portable Windows version, for when the
| company I work for won't allow me to install software :)
| erwincoumans wrote:
| Indeed, I purchased a perpetual Ultraedit license for
| Windows, Mac and Linux many years ago. I like the hex
| editing, huge file support, column editing.
| free652 wrote:
| I used ultraedit like 15 years ago, but switched to
| notepad++. I think due to performance problems. I don't
| like sublime3, too much tinkering via a command line.
| kwanbix wrote:
| Yeah, notepad++. I also tried it. The price was better
| (free), but it lacked column mode, "reformat paragraph"
| (it basically takes separate lines and makes it into a
| paragraph), and trim trailing spaces, at least when I
| tested it, which I used a lot.
| ableal wrote:
| Column mode and trim spaces have existed in notepad++ for
| years, but may be a bit hard to find.
|
| I just checked, and that may have improved: both are on
| the Edit menu, bottom half.
| kwanbix wrote:
| Yes, I couldn't find at the time how to use them. I am
| talking again probable 15 or 20 years ago, so it might
| have been version 0.1 of N++.
| fouc wrote:
| I think a lot of developers on macosx were using Textmate
| before they switched to Sublime Text
| nobleach wrote:
| Yup, this was my exact experience. In Windows land, I used
| whatever IDE was built for whatever language I was using
| (Turbo Pascal, Visual Basic, Visual C++, Visual FoxPro,
| Borland Delphi) When I started doing web, it was all
| Notepad++ and BBEdit, Dreamweaver. Then I found Textmate.
| It was so perfect. Having no Windows version was so
| upsetting. When Sublime showed up, I was so happy. I had
| always used Vim in my IT career though, so once I started
| learning how to make that work for more than editing config
| files, that became my daily driver.
| robdelacruz wrote:
| Back then I loved UltraEdit. It was the fastest editor at the
| time and could open even the most humongous files.
|
| Since then, I've used notepad2 for quick editing. And even
| for coding. Really loved notepad2. It could only edit one
| file at a time but that was part of its charm. I would have
| multiple notepad2 files open while coding.
|
| Back in the DOS days I used Brief, Multi-Edit (syntax
| highlighting!!) and the Borland SideKick TSR notepad,
| remember that?
|
| Nowadays on Linux, I code and write everything on Vim. Can't
| live without it. Cured my carpal tunnel too because I don't
| have to move my fingers to use the arrow keys or mouse.
| biztos wrote:
| I used UltraEdit a million years ago and I think it's just a
| matter of familiarity. I remember being unable to go back to
| BBEdit when I switched back to Mac from Windows, I was so
| tuned in to UE's power features.
|
| When I tried Sublime 2 I wanted to like it but it just felt
| weird, so I went back to... TextMate, which probably feels
| weird to other (especially younger) people. But I'd been
| using TextMate forever and had a lot of things integrated
| with my shell so that was my "normal."
|
| I'll give Sublime another try though: I want their business
| model to work, I love that they're cross platform, and the
| plug-in API looks pretty nice now that I've done a bunch of
| Python work.
| twh270 wrote:
| QEdit on DOS... now that brings back some memories! I went in
| for their flagship TSE (The Semware Editor) when it came out
| and was duly impressed.
|
| I have used Notepad++ as my regular non-IDE editor for
| probably 15 years; there are a handful of (semi-)unique
| features that I really appreciate. I'm guessing UltraEdit
| keeps its user base for similar reasons.
| mrspuratic wrote:
| A long time ago... used it a lot in 80x50 line text mode,
| lightening fast, good macro and configuration options (ISTR
| a separate tool to "reconfigure" the main binary). Had many
| of the same default bindings as the Borland IDEs, handy
| since the TurboC IDE used to run out of steam around 1000
| loc or so, that's when I learned Makefiles.
|
| Never took to TSE, sequence of bad experiences with
| stability.
| rajandatta wrote:
| Same here! Made the journey from QEdit to Vim to UltraEdit to
| Notepad++. These days I'm dabbling in Emacs and Notepad++.
|
| Emacs for Org-mode - arguably the most revelatory single
| piece of software I've seen in 40 years of working with
| Software. Notepad++ is a safety crutch that I haven't let go.
|
| Visual Code is OK. Not exciting though lots of respect for
| it.
|
| UtlraEdit's smoothness, speed and polish are highly
| commendable. Just don't have the need to spend on the annual
| licensing for it.
| Al-Khwarizmi wrote:
| Another long-time UltraEdit user here.
|
| I love it in general, but in particular there's one feature
| that I can't do without: column mode. I don't understand why
| other editors haven't copied it (at least to my knowledge. If
| you know any other that has it, I'd like to know). For those
| of us that often work with CSV-like formats, it's a real time
| saver.
|
| It's also better behaved for huge files than any other editor
| I've tried.
| LegionMammal978 wrote:
| I've been using ST3 for the past few years, and I have a
| go-to keyboard sequence for a column mode equivalent:
| Select the entire block, press Ctrl+Shift+L to split the
| selection into individual lines, press Home to create a
| cursor at the start of each line, and use the right arrow
| to navigate the cursor to the desired column. (You can also
| edit the end of each line by pressing End, move by entire
| words with Ctrl+Left or Right, and so on.)
| adrian_b wrote:
| Column-mode in editors comes from ancient history.
|
| The BRIEF editor for MS-DOS, intended to be a "Programmer's
| Editor", some time before 1990, already included column
| mode and many other features that few editors have today.
| ybbond wrote:
| FWIW Sublime Text do have "multi cursor editing" mode that
| can do some basic column mode editing.
|
| Add to that vi keybindings to ST, and you can get better
| and faster "column mode-like" editing.
| gavinray wrote:
| VS Code has column mode
| slim wrote:
| What is column mode?
| hunter2_ wrote:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27232874
| popotamonga wrote:
| All nice i use it a lot but why does it take way too many
| seconds to open large files? And its not the cpu i have top cpu
| ram and ssds.
| jffry wrote:
| A plausible explanation is that it's doing some kind of
| preprocessing of the file into a data structure that allows
| for faster or more responsive scrolling and editing of huge
| files. For example a rope or similar:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope_(data_structure)
| flobosg wrote:
| Craig Mod puts Sublime Text in the "fast software" category:
| https://craigmod.com/essays/fast_software/
|
| > (...) Sublime Text has -- in my experience -- only gotten
| faster. I love software that does this: Software that unbloats
| over time. This should be the goal of all software. The longer
| it's around, the more elegant it should become. Smooth over
| like a river stone. I have full trust in the engineering of
| Sublime Text because I've used it for over a decade, but also
| because it always feels like a fast, focused tool (even though
| it's actually very complicated) and has only become faster the
| longer I've used it.
|
| The whole essay is a nice read.
|
| EDIT: Something else I wanted to add: I've tried other programs
| (file managers, for instance) that attempt to emulate Sublime
| Text both in interface (keyboard-driven, command palette, etc.)
| and speed, but they mostly manage to hit the former while
| blowing the latter. Fast software is _hard_!
| aikinai wrote:
| This is a great essay! Completely agree with all of his
| points and really wish well-crafted software got more
| respect.
| catillac wrote:
| I don't use sublime in my day to day, but always keep it on
| hand because it's the only IDE that quickly opens for viewing
| very large csv or similar files without a hitch. PyCharm,
| VSCode, Aton all barf under these conditions.
| xkuhg wrote:
| It's not an IDE, it's a text editor
| softawre wrote:
| Sublime will barf if the file gets big enough too. In that
| case use something like HxD
| mroche wrote:
| How big of a file are we talking? I've had to open multi-
| gig Maya ASCII flies before to find broken nodes and
| Sublime was always my go to solution. Scrolling performance
| takes a hit, and the file can take some time to open, but
| overall works reasonably well.
| mb7733 wrote:
| That's interesting, because I've noticed the exact opposite
| between VSCode and Sublime. What version of sublime are you
| using?
| yingbo wrote:
| Just for the speed of large file, on macOS, I find the BBEdit
| is great too. The basic functions of BBEdit can be used for
| free even.
| rgacote wrote:
| Happy to see another satisfied BBEdit user. Been my go-to
| Mac editor since Mac Plus.
| racl101 wrote:
| I loved BBEdit and/or TextMate for the Mac. Both were
| great.
|
| I switched to Sublime after I had to work on Linux
| machines for a while.
| enahs-sf wrote:
| For these instances I just use vim or sed/awk/etc.
| dharmab wrote:
| Sublime easily handles files that make my Vim slow to a
| crawl. Agreed on using sed/awk/(rip)grep/other pipeline
| tools where it makes sense.
| You_All_R_Cunts wrote:
| Vim is for skunks.
| racl101 wrote:
| I love me my Sublime.
|
| I like an editor that's fast enough, isn't bloated and isn't
| Vim.
|
| Don't always need the IDE.
|
| And although I can use Vim, I'm just not as efficient with it
| to use it 100% of the time. I learned a little to be able to
| work on remote servers but that's all I need. I can use a GUI
| editor like Sublime for the rest.
|
| Sublime is versatile.
| dharmab wrote:
| Before I switched entirely to Vim I used a remote editor
| plugin for Sublime that let me edit files over SSH. Didn't
| work for every case but was handy for editing webpages live
| on my dev server before the age of Vagrant and Docker.
| api wrote:
| Desktop software is superior to web in virtually every way
| except:
|
| (1) Collaborative features and syncing are easier to build when
| all the data lives in the cloud. There are currently no easy
| ways to build collaborative decentralized apps that scale and
| perform well and don't lose data. The best compromise solution
| today is probably cloud syncing, which is the Apple approach
| and keeps most of the brains local while using the cloud as a
| cache and a relay... but that tends to lead toward more and
| more stuff going to the cloud over time.
|
| (2) The cloud is the only DRM that works. Cloud software can't
| be pirated because the user doesn't even have most of the
| software. At best the user gets the UI frontend in the form of
| obfuscated JavaScript or WASM.
|
| (3) Due to #2, it's possible to easily collect recurring
| payments. "Recurring revenue" is the holy grail of virtually
| all businesses. Some VCs don't even _consider_ non-recurring
| revenue in valuing a startup company. If your company collects
| $1M in one-time licenses and $100 /month in subscriptions, some
| investors will literally chalk you up as having $100/month MRR.
|
| (4) Cloud SaaS is a political loophole around free-as-in-beer
| ideology. The "information wants to be free" ideology tends to
| poo-poo commercial software and insist on the freedom to pirate
| everything, but cloud SaaS gets a free pass. Even better: with
| cloud SaaS you can use FOSS software without giving anything
| back! ... unless the license is AGPL, BSL, or Commons Clause,
| but those are not "true" FOSS licenses according to the FSF.
| (The AGPL sort of is, but it's also not strong enough to really
| prevent SaaSification.)
|
| (5) Last but not least: shipping software _sucks_ , especially
| on Windows. The Windows MSI installation subsystem is a horror
| from the deepest smoldering pit of hell. Be sure your company
| offers mental health benefits for PTSD treatment if you have to
| ask an engineer to deal with it. Mac and Linux are a little
| better but they are collectively only about 1/4 of the desktop
| market. The web offers a zero-friction "install" process that
| makes adoption and updates seamless and easy.
|
| If those problems can be addressed, we can see a renaissance
| for real software that serves the user and doesn't have 100+ms
| latency for every action.
| fouric wrote:
| I don't think that (1) is true at all - you have the same
| problems in building a collaborative application using a web
| app as you would desktop software (e.g. let's say that you
| want to do multi-user real-time collaboration - you're going
| to need to use CRDTs no matter if you're writing C++ or
| JavaScript).
|
| (2), (3), and (4) are true (they're why I've stopped making
| my tools available to others), although from a business
| sense, which is separate from a pure quality sense.
|
| (5) can be addressed with some basic tooling and meta-
| tooling. I don't think that these are that hard - and, more
| importantly, the web has a complementary problem, which is
| that you have to do a lot of engineering to get things you
| get for free on desktop (most notably, persistence - compare
| the ease of setting up a database service for your cloud app
| with just _writing to a file_ on desktop).
| steve_adams_86 wrote:
| I'm blown away by how snappy this is. It always is, but it's even
| better now. This is really impressive work.
|
| I don't think I'm the target audience here. I just spent 30m
| trying to tune this for a TypeScript project, and I can't seem to
| easily get eslint, prettier, and a few other tools working. I
| added the TypeScript language server package, but it doesn't
| offer any of the effortless reference navigation and refactoring
| I'm used to.
|
| Having said that, am I just missing something? Can Sublime be
| that kind of editor?
|
| I think I'd love to give it a shot, but without these
| conveniences I'm feeling like I should stick with VS Code.
| xputer wrote:
| I use Sublime instead of vim/gedit/notepad/notepad++ for
| quickly viewing files. The main benefit of Sublime over VSCode
| is that it opens several orders of magnitude faster. However,
| in terms of doing actual programming work I prefer VSCode over
| Sublime because it has way better plugins.
| laurent123456 wrote:
| Sublime Text used to be my main editor but when I've started
| developing more in TypeScript I dropped it because I could
| never get it working well enough. I'm using VSCode now and
| TypeScript with it just works without having to install and
| configure many half-working packages, some of which will
| conflict with other packages you might use.
|
| Perhaps ST4 addresses these issues, but personally I probably
| won't go back to it.
| schneidmaster wrote:
| I've used the following list of packages for eslint, prettier,
| and TypeScript. It's not as effortless as it should be, but the
| two LSP packages in particular do give reference navigation
| that's pretty equivalent to VS Code.
|
| - https://packagecontrol.io/packages/SublimeLinter
|
| - https://packagecontrol.io/packages/SublimeLinter-eslint
|
| - https://packagecontrol.io/packages/JsPrettier
|
| - https://packagecontrol.io/packages/LSP
|
| - https://packagecontrol.io/packages/LSP-typescript
|
| If you're on macos, I also recommend creating a file at
| ~/Library/Application Support/Sublime Text
| 3/Packages/User/Default (OSX).sublime-mousemap with the
| following contents -- this adds a cmd+click "go to definition"
| shortcut that's also equivalent to what VS Code provides. (I
| guess the path should be "Sublime Text 4" now? but after
| upgrading, the config at the "Sublime Text 3" path still works
| for me.)
|
| [ { "button": "button1", "count": 1, "modifiers": ["super"],
| "press_command": "drag_select", "command":
| "lsp_symbol_definition" } ]
|
| I've tried to switch to VS Code a few times -- language
| features (especially TypeScript) tend to work better out-of-
| the-box but it still isn't close in terms of performance. If
| you want IDE-like features to "just work" then VS Code is
| definitely the best choice, but the persistent (albeit sleight)
| input lag drives me up the wall.
| merryMellody wrote:
| Thank you so much for this! I was looking for an optimal
| config myself, and this saved me so much time :-) Cheers!
| e_proxus wrote:
| Sublime can definitely be that kind of editor, but requires
| quite a lot of setup in some cases. There is a language server
| plug-in, which (IMO) is not straight forward to customize or
| even setup, with very little feedback when something goes wrong
| (broken LS implementation, or misconfiguration). However, when
| it does finally work, it's super snappy and clean.
|
| The philosophy of Sublime is almost opposite to VS Code and
| other IDEs. Instead of everything enabled by default,
| everything is simple and lightweight by default. Then you add
| your own things on top.
|
| I mostly see it as analogous to programming, where I too prefer
| to start simple and add things I control on top and where I
| understand the whole stack. Compared to picking a huge
| framework which lets me get started but where I don't
| understand the hundreds of layers beneath.
|
| Since I use Sublime Text since years, and plan to use it for
| years to come, I see it as an investment to learn the
| underlaying functionality and eco system from the ground up. It
| makes me a better and more productive programmer in the long
| run.
| muststopmyths wrote:
| Anyone know of a good vi plugin for sublime ?
|
| The last time I tried, all the plugins were significantly laggy
| and while nvim was functionally complete, it had this annoying
| behavior of switching out of insert mode if sublime lost focus.
| Apparently that's by design too.
|
| Sublime itself was super snappy though. unfortunately a good
| vi/vim mode is a requirement for me.
| jsf01 wrote:
| NeoVintageous is the one I landed on after trying...
|
| - vintage mode
|
| - sublimesix
|
| - actualvim
| e_proxus wrote:
| NeoVintageous is the most complete, up-to-date Sublime Vim
| plug-in. It is a fork (I think?) of Vintagous, whose author
| went on to make Six, both of which now seem abandoned.
|
| NeoVintageous comes with many more features out of the box
| (Vim plugins like Abolish, Surround and Sneak!). Since
| choosing it I haven't had to install or do any additional
| tweaks (apart from customizing a few settings).
|
| Highly recommended!
| muststopmyths wrote:
| Thanks, I'll give it a shot!
| pood wrote:
| Ditto. This is my dealbreaker w respect to vscode.
| modernerd wrote:
| Have you tried the built-in vintage mode?
|
| https://www.sublimetext.com/docs/3/vintage.html
| mknapper1 wrote:
| I really wish that Sublime would add an integrated terminal
| panel. None of the packages I've tried that do add a terminal
| view, work the way the way I want them to. It's really the one
| feature that's holding me back from even trying to switch away
| from VS Code.
| visarga wrote:
| The whole set of Remote Development extensions is a game
| changer. You can be remote and it feels like being local with
| the terminal, debugger, files and language server.
|
| It's especially useful when your laptop is running a different
| OS than Linux which is often the target.
|
| I just hate the overly zealous autocomplete that fixes good
| words into bad words and forces me to hit Esc every time.
| jopsen wrote:
| I'm on Linux, but have remote vscode into my desktop at the
| office and macincloud for testing on mac...
|
| One day, I'l figure out how to automatically provision a
| Windows VM in cloud too, clone from github and connect with
| vscode.
| otherworldly wrote:
| "Terminus" has done me quite well on Sublime Text 3, it's
| available via Package Control.
| gentleman11 wrote:
| I prefer having my terminals separate from my editor,
| personally
| spiderice wrote:
| Agreed. Set up your terminal to automatically come to the
| front with a keyboard shortcut. To me this seems better than
| having it built in to the editor in every way.
| gentleman11 wrote:
| Guake
| FlashBlaze wrote:
| Same here. I was a huge terminal in editor user, but VSCode
| crashed on me a couple of times resulting in restarting all
| the terminals and the processes which I was running. Since
| then I always use an external terminal.
| [deleted]
| qwerty456127 wrote:
| Does it integrate with the OS text input facilities already? The
| last time I checked Sublime didn't support Windows 10 native word
| hints, MacOS long-press accented letter input and didn't accept
| keyboard shortcuts during using non-latin keyboard layout on
| Linux.
|
| Great job anyway, Sublime is really cool.
| user-the-name wrote:
| Does it have a preferences UI yet?
| signal11 wrote:
| I know people who love Sublime but are worried about it
| disappearing, or paying for an upgrade only to see development to
| stall.
|
| It's good to see that the Sublime team have responded to this
| with a licensing model that rewards them for releasing updates:
|
| > Sublime Text license keys are no longer tied to a single major
| version, instead they are now valid for all updates within 3
| years of purchase. After that, you will still have full access to
| every version of Sublime Text released within the 3 year window,
| but newer builds will required a license upgrade.
| nly wrote:
| I'm curious how this works at the technical level.
|
| The license key presumable encodes both an expiry date and what
| version numbers it is valid for when it was issued (and
| therefore will continue to work for even after expiry)?
| J_tt wrote:
| I'm assuming there's just a licensing server keeping track of
| each license key and it's purchase date along with each
| versions release date.
|
| I don't see any need for encoding this data within the
| license key
| nly wrote:
| I don't think it communicates back to them when used.
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| Licenses encode an issue date and builds have a build date.
| nly wrote:
| Of course!
| zainalmat wrote:
| Mixcel
| ampdepolymerase wrote:
| Does Sublime Text 4 have support for WSL2?
| dsego wrote:
| I tried using the windows version of ST3 (latest dev releases)
| with project files living in the wsl2 space and ST didn't jive
| well with these "remote" files, so I ended up with VS Code and
| the WSL2 extension.
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| There isn't anything specific to WSL2 in Sublime Text.
| Depending on your use case I've seen people either run the
| Windows version or the Linux version with WSL.
| austinhutch wrote:
| I'm a Sublime devotee and have been anxiously awaiting this
| release and the support for Apple silicon. In my unsophisticated
| benchmarking, 100% worth the wait.
|
| With the same projects open, ST4 is using about half the memory
| of rosetta ST3.
|
| The time to index my projects went from about 5 minutes to under
| a minute.
|
| Searching across large projects is instantaneous.
| fclaerho wrote:
| I'm in the same boat, it's great M1 support was added to ST4
| whereas the discussions on forums (last time I checked) were
| not indicating it was going to happen soon. Very nice.
| ryanmcbride wrote:
| Sublime Text is the only editor I use outside of vim. It's worth
| every penny.
| speg wrote:
| Perfect timing. I just ended a months long voyage of VIM and
| headed back to ST, new version? Bonus!
|
| I also tried VS Code (again) and it still isn't as snappy as ST.
| I don't get the hype.
| bevacqua wrote:
| Awesome. Sublime is my favorite editor by far. Performance,
| multiple cursors, and syntax highlighting is all I need
|
| Couple questions:
|
| 1. I already have JSX and TypeScript plugins installed. Should I
| remove those?
|
| 2. When will there be a `~/Library/Sublime Text 4/` directory
| now?
| dotdi wrote:
| Very excited about this release!
|
| I immediately took out my CC to purchase an upgrade when I
| realized the upgrade license is only 12.5% cheaper than a full
| license. I dunno, man, personally that felt a bit like a slap in
| the face. I don't care about a few dollars more or less but I
| _felt_ underappreciated as a returning customer.
| rpcwork wrote:
| Sublime sustained me for years, until I switched to VScode for
| complaince .. FML.
|
| Go sublime!
| devoutsalsa wrote:
| Does Sublime have good support for Vue.js, specifically code
| formatting? I briefly looked a while back and all the plugins
| seemed ancient.
| O_H_E wrote:
| > Linux: Added proper support for Wayland
|
| > Linux: Touch screen events are now handled
|
| > Linux: Native file dialogs like those for KDE will be used when
| configured
|
| On behalf of the small, loud minority that cares about these
| things, thank you very much
| nebulon wrote:
| I've upgraded and it was super smooth. Thanks for that! One
| question remains, how can one disable the title bar on gnome to
| preserve space?
| sepisoad wrote:
| I am huge sublime text fan, and have updated my license, one
| thing that I would like to see is an official and better vim
| emulation extension, I know there is vintage package but it is
| far from being useful, and then there are other vim emulation
| packages that are not making proper use of sublime powers, so I
| would like to see a better and newer vintage package
| benfrain wrote:
| I've found NeoVimtageous to be a good stand in
| omegote wrote:
| I hope they have (or have plans to) updated the docs for their
| plugin API. I've made some bucks building plugins for ST3 and the
| docs are... scarce. It's a shame, because I prefer using Python
| for building plugins than JS or TS as in VSCode, but it was a
| PITA to find anything.
| _throwawayaway wrote:
| any happy clojure ST4 users?
| cheeaun wrote:
| I've been using ST4 (beta) last few weeks ago, trying to move
| away from VS Code. I used to use ST2/3 before moving to Atom and
| then VS Code.
|
| My experience so far:
|
| - Feels so much faster (as expected, but _still_ faster than VS
| Code - I 'm on M1 MBA)
|
| - Settings are still in JSON instead of GUI
|
| - There's no scrollbar markers [1]
|
| - I was struggling set up the system-based light/dark mode color
| scheme and theme, wished that it was easier.
|
| [1] https://github.com/sublimehq/sublime_text/issues/2072
| ivandenysov wrote:
| I love Sublime Text and used it for the first 6 years of my
| career, but I completely switched to VS Code. It took me 2
| attempts and here are some things that eventually made me stay
| with VS Code:
|
| - better sidebar: drag & drop, quick rename, copy/paste out of
| the box
|
| - better project search: faster, opens in sidebar by default or
| you can open it in an editor tab. sidebar search results refresh
| automatically when you delete search occurrences from files.
| 'editor tab search results' have syntax highlighting and you can
| have multiple search tabs open simultaneously
|
| - more usable extension store. I don't need to go on the web to
| research the best editor extension for given language/technology
|
| - it is open source
|
| - it has a UI for settings
| OhNoMyqueen wrote:
| I love their philosophy of ever improving performance and memory
| usage. Sublime is one of the last gem resisting Wirth's Law.
| greyman wrote:
| The core question is - is this better than VSCode AS AN EDITOR?
| In recent months, I had the feeling VSCode just surpassed it in
| almost every regard.
| benfrain wrote:
| Even taking performance out of the equation, 'Go to Symbol in
| Project' more than makes up for anything VSCode has. I'm amazed
| VSCode still doesn't have that
| jaimex2 wrote:
| I kind of completely forgot about Sublime and Atom after VS Code
| came out.
| GekkePrutser wrote:
| I used it before, it's very nice. Just wish they'd do a FreeBSD
| version, then I'd probably still use it.
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| There seems to be a Sublime Text 3 under freshports:
| https://www.freshports.org/editors/linux-sublime3/.
| mihir1991 wrote:
| This is my most used software. I loved it.
| waheoo wrote:
| I feel like they fumbled the ball a bit. Vscode was flailing for
| a long time before I finally switched away from sublime text.
| Sublime text had ample time to move the needle on the problems
| they had for years and ignored.
|
| I don't think I could go back at this point, there isn't any real
| drawbacks staying with vscode and it's more likely to work with
| my companies processes.
| 101001001001 wrote:
| This is the future of software even though sublime text isn't
| new. People need to understand that the incentive structure
| surrounding the development and maintenance of software is as
| much a part of the software as the code is. Open source doesn't
| work for the vast number of cases. When Linus dies, the only real
| example of a successful open source software project will die
| with him. Making things free doesn't make you virtuous.
| albertoCaroM wrote:
| I suppose It's joke.
|
| There are countless successful open source projects (libraries
| , frameworks and languages).
|
| Open source have come to stay, besides, nobody forbidden you to
| put a price if you have a opensource project and you want to
| give a premium experience, with extra features, maintenance or
| even a technical support.
| 101001001001 wrote:
| Not a joke! There are reasons why this fundamental truth has
| been obscured for the short amount of time that software has
| existed on a meaningful scale. One of them is the unique
| property of software not needing any physical resources to be
| created or distributed. The other is the cultural
| circumstances surrounding software historically, where often
| people were being pioneers with their contributions,
| contributing to the grand vision of computers and the
| internet which only very recently has been realized. And the
| average programmer historically was very intelligent and
| wealthy. It was a set of circumstances that created the
| illusion that the shackles of capitalism had been broken. But
| they haven't. And as the circumstances change it only becomes
| more clear that free labor won't be a successful model for
| software. And this doesn't come as a surprise to anyone who
| has closely scrutinized the whole picture.
|
| And the whole thing is made worse by the politicization of
| free software. People respect free software because it is
| "virtuous." It's a very short sighted notion that shares its
| roots with communism. If pure intentions counted then both
| might be successful but unfortunately it's not the case.
|
| To say that Linux was the last free software was obviously
| hyperbole. But the conclusion I have drawn is correct and you
| will see this whether you reflect on it now or stick around
| long enough to see the economics play out.
| gentleman11 wrote:
| I used to do battery life tests with different editors and
| sublime always win by a huge margin. This release claims both
| better performance, and also lower power use? How much less
| power?
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| I don't have data on exact gains from hardware accelerated
| rendering, but simply disabling the blinking cursor reduced
| power usage by 1W at idle.
| haik90 wrote:
| Somehow I enjoy read the changelog, straight to the point.
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| Hello HN,
|
| I'm one of the developers at Sublime HQ. We're all very excited
| about this release. If you have any questions you'd like to ask
| I'll do my best to answer them.
| BiteCode_dev wrote:
| Thank your for bringing into the world this beautiful tool. I
| paid for ST2, ST3 and SM and it brought a lot of joy into my
| work. I'm more into VSCode now (ST python editing experience
| has been lagging behind), but I keep ST close for out of
| project editing.
|
| I hope one day you will release your UI toolkit. Since it's
| crossplateform, fast, and plug into Python, it could be a
| wonderful alternative to PyQT, wxWidget and the like, and we
| really need something in the Python world.
|
| Good luck to ST4.
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| Thanks for the kind words :)
|
| > I hope one day you will release your UI toolkit. Since it's
| crossplateform, fast, and plug into Python, it could be a
| wonderful alternative to PyQT, wxWidget and the like, and we
| really need something in the Python world.
|
| Note our UI toolkit is really adjacent to python - there's no
| integration there at all. See here for my answer in relation
| to releasing/open sourcing our UI toolkit:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27230608.
| otikik wrote:
| How difficult would it be to make a Sublime-Text-for-terminals?
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| Practically impossible. It's like trying to play a video on a
| terminal.
| charleover wrote:
| mpv -vo "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMYfkOtYYlg"
|
| From https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/160212/watch-
| youtub...
| robin_reala wrote:
| Practically impossible doesn't exclude possible :)
| https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/music-video-linux-terminal
| charleover wrote:
| It's by no means ST for terminals but Micro is well worth a
| look if you haven't seen it. It has sane keyboard shortcuts,
| nice syntax highlighting, mouse and multi-cursor support.
|
| https://micro-editor.github.io/
| teddyc wrote:
| I love Sublime Text and have purchased licenses for each
| version. Thank you very much!
| demarq wrote:
| for typescript it would be nice to hover any word and see it's
| type. is that a planned feature?
|
| I noticed that you can only see the type of a type
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| That kind of feature requires integrating a TypeScript
| compiler, akin to an IDE. Sublime Text is first and foremost
| a text editor and such doesn't have that kind of information.
| You may want to look at plugins like LSP for that.
| alexruf wrote:
| Regarding the licence upgrade options: Are there any solutions
| for users owning a single licence for both Sublime Text 3 and
| Sublime Merge? My Sublime Merge licence for example is still
| valid for 2 years from now. If I try to upgrade my current
| licence and want to bundle them together it says the price is
| 152 USD. Any options for users like me to not make them pay
| twice when choosing the bundle licence?
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| We don't currently offer anything like that. Your current
| best bet would be to consolidate licenses into a bundle at a
| later date.
| otikik wrote:
| Could you give a high-level description about what does sublime
| do in order to handle large files?
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| Ropes, a fast syntax engine and lots of caching/optimisation.
| Maybe there will be a blogpost on this one day.
| jokoon wrote:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27232271
|
| I love this editor, but this detail annoys me:
|
| https://i.imgur.com/wu6ZfSa.png
|
| Folding code with curly braces doesn't "eat" the brace. It's
| indent-based, not syntax based. There is a 2 or 3 years old
| issue on their github, and they don't plan to fix. A little
| annoying for a paying editor.
|
| Here is the github issue:
| https://github.com/sublimehq/sublime_text/issues/101
|
| Maybe they fixed it and I did not look up new settings?
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| This is in fact an issue we're going to address. We already
| have a large amount of work done towards it, but it didn't
| make it into this release.
| jokoon wrote:
| Great to hear it has not been abandoned :)
| 1123581321 wrote:
| About Sublime Text says that I have a Single User License
| registered. Is it going to prompt me to upgrade, or am I
| grandfathered in some way? I bought this Sublime 3 license in
| Feb 2018. Just trying to understand what's going on. The app
| itself is great so far, especially the GPU performance.
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| Your license is still valid for all versions released before
| Feb 2021 (3 years after purchase). Once you update to a
| version released after that date you will see a "LICENSE
| UPGRADE REQUIRED" in the title bar. Under `Help > Upgrade
| License` you can then purchase an upgrade. There is also a
| popup prompting for an upgrade if you've entered an "expired"
| license anew.
| bambax wrote:
| The UI of ST is fantastic and like most people here I love it.
|
| However, opening big files doesn't work too well, it seems the
| program wants to load the whole file in memory. Any change on
| that front?
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| ST4 has a number of performance improvements in relation to
| large files, but we don't plan on not loading the whole file
| into memory as this is a core assumption in the entire UI
| stack.
| sammorrowdrums wrote:
| Could you configure a user setting for max file size? I
| have clicked very large files by accident plenty of times
| and it makes ST hang.
| pieterhg wrote:
| I love Sublime Text and use it for everything from code to
| notes and todos. Thanks for all the hard work!
| dmitshur wrote:
| Question about license upgrades. The page says:
|
| > Note you can upgrade to the bundle from either a Sublime Text
| or Sublime Merge license.
|
| Right now I have a ST3 license and would like to upgrade it to
| both ST4 and Sublime Merge.
|
| If one upgrades to a bundle now, will it be possible in the
| future to upgrade the bundle license to a single product one?
| Or is the only option to buy a new single product license
| instead?
|
| (I'm ok with it either way, I just want to find out so I can
| plan better.)
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| Currently you can only upgrade from a bundle to a bundle, but
| the exact behavior hasn't been fully decided on yet. I'll
| look into clarifying that.
| thieving_magpie wrote:
| Hello. How was the transition on the Windows side to UWP?
|
| It looks great.
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| Sublime Text is still based on win32, not UWP.
| thieving_magpie wrote:
| Oh interesting. I had previously read a limitation of
| changing the title bar to use a dark theme was based on
| sticking to win32. Sounds like that hurdle was overcome in
| a different way - either way I'm appreciative.
|
| Here's a reference to the discussion on the 'dark theme':
| https://forum.sublimetext.com/t/support-dark-theme-on-
| window...
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| We overcame that hurdle by painstakingly recreating the
| default Windows titlebar(s) in our own UI toolkit.
| thieving_magpie wrote:
| It's appreciated and looks great.
| shaicoleman wrote:
| Sublime is awesome, thanks! I've purchased an upgrade straight
| away.
|
| Can you pretty please fix the issue where files deleted/renamed
| outside sublime are shown as unsaved? It often ends up with a
| lot of wasted debugging time until I realise I'm working on the
| wrong file
|
| Please show "filename (deleted)" on the title, instead of
| "filename *". Thanks!
| M4v3R wrote:
| Very much this, this is basically my only gripe with Sublime
| Text!
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| You can make modified tabs more visible with the
| "highlight_modified_tabs" setting.
| jannes wrote:
| That does not really address the stated problem.
|
| The problem is that you can't distinguish between a file
| that exists (where saving would overwrite the file) and a
| file that doesn't exist (where saving would create the
| file).
| shaicoleman wrote:
| This doesn't solve the issue. To make things clearer,
| here's how you replicate it:
|
| * Open file1.txt in sublime. This shows up as "file1.txt"
| in Sublime.
|
| * In the terminal: mv file1.txt file1a.txt
|
| * Back in Sublime it will show "file1.txt *" as if it's
| modified and unsaved. Saving that file will now recreate
| that file, and you'll end up duplicating the file and
| editing the wrong file.
|
| Instead, what should happen is when you delete/rename
| file1.txt it should show "file1.txt (deleted)"
|
| Try the same thing in any other editor (e.g. VSCode), and
| it handles it correctly.
| bouke wrote:
| I'd say if the file got renamed, the editor should just
| use the new filename. The name of the file is just
| metadata, not its identity.
| CrazyStat wrote:
| How is the editor supposed to know the new filename?
| mkj wrote:
| If it's renamed in Linux the inode number will remain the
| same. (Good luck finding where the new file is, I guess
| Sublime would spot it if it's within the currently opened
| directory/project with inotify)
| samus wrote:
| Every operating system supports subscribing to file and
| directory changes. That is how the editor can detect
| there was a change in the first place.
| bouke wrote:
| Try renaming a file from the Finder currently open in
| Numbers (macOS). Notice how Numbers picks up the new
| name. So definitely possible, on macOS at least.
| laszlokorte wrote:
| On MacOS the file name is only meta data, ie the file has
| an internal id that does not change, but on other
| platforms filesystems the filename might be the
| identifier.
| argvargc wrote:
| This is not a good solution for two reasons:
|
| 1) If the file was renamed _and_ its contents changed -
| what should the editor do? Load the changes underneath
| the user? If yes: user #1 mad because now the only copy
| of file contents was wiped in OS, and now by the editor
| in what was originally a mistake. If no: user #2 mad
| because updating file outside of editor didn 't update it
| within editor as they'd hoped.
|
| 2) If the file was only renamed - but renamed by mistake
| - to something generic or wrong: user #3 mad because
| original filename (which may also have been a location)
| is now lost.
|
| In all cases, the optimum solution is to clearly indicate
| to the user that the file name or contents have changed,
| preserve both the contents and the filename/location, and
| give the user the option as to how to deal with this
| given their particular situation.
|
| This should be a separate indication than that what seems
| to be currently offered which is to conflate user
| initiated changes, and OS initiated changes as the same
| thing. If this is the case, they are not the same thing,
| and this should be clearly reflected in the UI so that
| the user is alerted and can decide what to do.
| ddingus wrote:
| Is there a Raspi version yet?
|
| That would make my little embedded dev station just perfect!
| Would migrate it all to that new Pi 400.
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| Arm64 builds are available to download just like any other
| version. The port was done on a RPI 4, but it's also been
| tested on a PinePhone and a Nintendo Switch.
| ddingus wrote:
| Nice. I could have checked. Has been a while. Have been
| just running a version. Thanks for taking the time.
| SNosTrAnDbLe wrote:
| Thanks for introducing the multi select feature in text
| editing. There may have been other editors before which had but
| Sublime was where I first encountered this and where it felt
| natural. It has saved me countless keystrokes! I use VS Code
| now but it has started getting slower and it may be time to go
| back to sublime!
| beermonster wrote:
| IMHO, VS Code makes for a fine cross-platform IDE (for those
| that like IDEs) but is a bit heavy-weight as a text editor. I
| tend to use them both in different situations. If I want
| something that is FAST on very large files or projects, with
| superb language support for large numbers of languages and
| markdown - I use ST.
| bennyp101 wrote:
| Yep, I switched to VSCode for general day-to-day coding,
| then to Jetbeans, but I still kept ST3 around for doing
| things with text. If I want to manipulate some text (even
| in large files) quickly, thats my goto tool.
|
| New installs get ST3 installed by default, even if I don't
| have a plan to use it on that machine, I treat it as if it
| was a Notepad on windows back in the day.
|
| Wonderful piece of software.
| klmadfejno wrote:
| I use sublime 3 pretty frequently, and am aware of this
| feature, but haven't experienced a moment where this was
| useful, or at least, not more useful than just running find-
| replace (which is fantastic on sublime with its pattern
| matching and speed and what not btw). How do you use this
| effectively?
| SNosTrAnDbLe wrote:
| I like the visual feedback with the multi select where I
| can select all the occurrences of a variable and then
| change the name at the same time without leaving the editor
| by just using the shortcut.
|
| For find and replace, I have to leave the editor and go to
| a different tool window. Also, my regex skills are
| sometimes lacking when I want to find something on a
| deadline. I only use find and replace when I have to do the
| same refactor across files.
| demarq wrote:
| anything improved for Rust?
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| There are a number of improvements to the rust syntax.
| demarq wrote:
| Thank you
| Greaka wrote:
| Hey there, subl is absolutely the best when you quickly need to
| open and edit a huge file. You cannot, however, do that when
| the file only has 1 line. Do you think it might be possible to
| get that fixed at some point? Opening a 1 line 1GB file on a
| modern machine brings subl to a complete halt and regex editing
| is sheer impossible.
| bachmeier wrote:
| > Opening a 1 line 1GB file on a modern machine brings subl
| to a complete halt and regex editing is sheer impossible.
|
| Is this a common operation for a text editor?
| magicalhippo wrote:
| Perhaps not super-common, but at work we have to deal with
| XML files that are 4-500MB in size that don't contain
| newline characters. Every now and then we have edit them.
|
| It's at least something I'd expect a premium text editor to
| handle without issues.
| silverwind wrote:
| It's common when working with big API responses which are
| indented using plugins after loading. Most APIs do not
| serve whitespace in their responses, so it's crucial that
| the editor won't freeze up on initial load.
| adamzochowski wrote:
| Yeah, plenty of people edit files like xml or json in text
| editors.
| jeromegv wrote:
| Sublime can do big files without any issue, the specific
| use case here is if it all sits on a single line. Most
| XML/Json files are not single line, but yes it happens.
| sigzero wrote:
| If you are manipulating data, it could be. Logs can easily
| get big as well.
| naikrovek wrote:
| try turning off syntax highlighting, if you haven't. that
| speeds up ST dramatically on large files, in my experience.
|
| or give UltraEdit a try. it opens huge files with ease.
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| This is a known limitation that we're looking at addressing
| in future updates.
| Aeolun wrote:
| Not that any other editor but Vim seems to do this without
| issues, but it is one of the things the whole experience of
| Sublime leads me to believe would already be possible :)
| siculars wrote:
| So is your internal mem structure/unit of operation split
| on new line? Sounds like you need to refine that to include
| a max character count sub line structure.
| trzeci wrote:
| Hi! I'm struggling with the same problems (Debugging huge
| ASM.js files). The best modern, non-vim editor to handle such
| files I've found is Cuda Text:
| http://uvviewsoft.com/cudatext/
|
| Absolutely top tier lightweight code editor for special
| tasks.
| naikrovek wrote:
| UltraEdit can open huge files (multiple tens of GB) in
| seconds.
|
| worth a look if you do this a lot.
| fdeage wrote:
| Hi there,
|
| Thanks for this release! I use ST every day and I love it: the
| speed, the efficiency, everything.
|
| The one thing I miss, though, is manipulating files from the
| left panel (moving files especially). I know there is a plug-in
| doing that (Side Bar) but it lacks drag-and-drop support.
|
| Any plan to have it natively in the future?
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| It's been on our radar but hasn't been a high priority so
| far. You can currently use rename to move a file across
| directories using `../` or similar.
| mambusskruj wrote:
| OMG this is so convenient! Just fall in love with this
| behavior. It'll be even better with autocomplete ;)
| yugene wrote:
| Congratulations on the release!
| forrestthewoods wrote:
| Congrats on the release!
|
| I was an avid user (and paying customer!) of ST1 and ST2.
| Somewhere along the way I switched to VS Code. Why should I use
| ST4 over VS Code today?
| fclaerho wrote:
| Perfs! If you don't want to wait 4h for files to load. When I
| see my colleagues trying to open files on VS, I can't
| understand how that's acceptable.
| sigzero wrote:
| That is not true about vscode anymore. It is fairly
| performant now.
| ReptileMan wrote:
| For what kind of files? On windows code once opened in a
| workspace context opens normal source files of a project
| almost instantly.
|
| Are you talking about cold boot or huge log files?
|
| The only place for me code breaks down is with long
| jsons/js files that haven't beet prettified and are a long
| long string.
| nicoburns wrote:
| Is there a reason why ST re-indexes everything on every update?
| (I'm fairly sure it didn't used to).
|
| My workflow involves keeping 9 sublime projects open most of
| the time (damn microservices), and restarting sublime after an
| update makes my computer very slow (not unusable, not
| noticeably laggy) for 5-10mins each time.
|
| Relatedly, sublime has an excellent changelog window, but it
| only shows up _after_ you 've already updated! It would be
| really nice if I could see the changelog _before_ I decide
| whether to update or not...
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| When the syntax definitions change, the symbols that need to
| get indexed change as well. Hence the project needs to be re-
| indexed. There are settings for controlling how many
| resources the indexer is allowed to use.
| sigzero wrote:
| Congrats! When the payday hits I will buy it. I've been
| waiting. I know I could have purchased an ST3 license and got
| this but...I am weird.
| username3 wrote:
| How can I save groups of tabs so side views won't get lost if I
| switch to another tab?
|
| Edit: ctrl+tab saves, but mouse clicking a tab loses
|
| How can I open find results in a split view?
|
| How can I open definitions and references in split views
| without using the mouse to hover and click?
|
| Edit: F12 and shift+F12.
| iamcreasy wrote:
| I am wondering if it's possible for Python plugin to add custom
| UI elements?
|
| For example, if I am using Julia/R I want side panel that shows
| all my current variables in memory. Is Sublime plugin system
| capable of adding UI components such as variable/plot viewer
| and add custom interactions to those UI panels(i.e.
| zoom/rotation for plots)?
| trosi wrote:
| > For example, if I am using Julia/R I want side panel that
| shows all my current variables in memory.
|
| Mind sharing how you do this in R? Thanks!
| iamcreasy wrote:
| I was thinking about something similar to the Environment
| panel in RStudio. You can also see all variables in a given
| session using ls()
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| That's not currently possible, no. The only custom UI
| elements can be done using minihtml (a subset of html).
| bussiere wrote:
| I'am using it since 2 years, and i planned to pay the license
| as soon as a have a stable income.
|
| For me it's the best second editor, i always have it open when
| i do an operation. I have different main tool / editor open but
| always sublime text as a second tool.
|
| Thanks for keeping a 32 bit version also.
| Keats wrote:
| Any plans to help Syntect (https://github.com/trishume/syntect)
| work with the latest sublime-syntax format
| (https://github.com/trishume/syntect/issues/271 and
| https://github.com/trishume/syntect/issues/323)? There is a big
| overlap in contributors for syntect users and syntect can be
| used by syntax writers to debug syntaxes so it would be a win-
| win.
| zamadatix wrote:
| Any chance of a Windows ARM64 version since macOS/Linux have
| one?
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| I can't really say one way or another. Given that we can't
| feasibly test on the large variety of ARM devices out there I
| think it will depend on how maintenance free the ARM Linux
| builds are and how much people ask for a ARM Windows build.
| philshem wrote:
| Hi Ben
|
| When will ST4 show up on Homebrew?
|
| https://formulae.brew.sh/cask/sublime-text
|
| Thanks for taking the time to answer questions
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| We only ship downloads from sublimetext.com. Any other
| avenues like homebrew, flatpak, etc. are supplied by third
| parties with no relation to us. Sublime Text on macOS has its
| down update mechanism that you may prefer over homebrew.
| math-dev wrote:
| Thank you for your great work. For HTML / JavaScript, Sublime
| is simply amazing and a joy for me to use.
| fclaerho wrote:
| As a developer, I tried to use a lot of code editors, my main
| criteria being performance, and I've stuck to ST since the
| first day I used it. Your editor is awesome and in term of perf
| you're far ahead. Thanks for your work, and also thanks a lot
| to adding the M1 support with ST4! I didn't expected it (ST3
| works fine with Rosetta on M1) and it's much appreciated.
| parsd wrote:
| Is the team considering making an "HTTP Client, done Sublime"
| at some point?
| devmunchies wrote:
| what do you mean? like a Postman? a browser?
| parsd wrote:
| Yes, something that could do what Postman does.
| odiroot wrote:
| Do you expect that working with Python codebases will get
| better with this release? I mean it in the context of code
| completion and other "intelligence" features.
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| Code completions have massively improved for every language
| with syntax highlighting.
| odiroot wrote:
| That's very good news. That was my only pain point with
| ST3.
| FlyingSnake wrote:
| Are there any plans to open source the GUI system? It could be
| a hugely beneficial for a set of cross platform apps.
|
| Thanks a lot for creating this piece of software art. I'm a
| user since the v1 and no matter what the editor du jour is, I
| always fallback to ST and Vim.
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| This question has been asked a lot, so thankfully I've got an
| easy answer: You don't actually want to build on top of our
| UI toolkit. We make breaking changes all the time, there's
| very little documentation and no release cycle at all. This
| isn't a problem for us as we have in-house knowledge and can
| fix any breakages trivially, but you don't want every open
| source project to have to maintain it's own fork of a UI
| toolkit.
| ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
| I completely support this. I write a _ton_ of open-source
| software, and have many published packages.
|
| Each one that I publish is a Responsibility. Like a parent
| that has children, the package is no longer "completely
| mine." All changes and fixes are made, keeping in mind that
| someone may be dependent upon my work.
|
| I've been writing SDKs -literally- my entire career (I can
| link to my very first engineering project, in 1987, where I
| designed a hardware system, and a companion SDK).
|
| A perfectly legitimate reason for keeping code private, is
| that I am not willing to support it for any use, other than
| my own personal use.
| jiofih wrote:
| There is no obligation to support the code at all though.
| You can release it once, say it's unsupported, and let
| the community pick up maintenance / forks if there's
| enough interest. Otherwise, no harm done.
| Phenix88be wrote:
| > and let the community pick up maintenance / forks if
| there's enough interest.
|
| This almost never happen, even when the interest is very
| high... I love open source and free software, but we
| should face that this point is more a fantasy than a real
| thing.
| hutzlibu wrote:
| I would say, it depends on the codebase and
| documentation. Taking up a abandoned mess of undocumented
| spaghetti code? No thank you. And most "open sourced"
| repositories are like this.
|
| But the ones that have at least rudimentary documenation,
| something a new maintainer has something to work with -
| those are the few ones, that might be picked up by some
| community. Rare, yes - because there is not much fun in
| writing documentation on your personal pet project in
| your free time. But it might be still worth it.
| jandrewrogers wrote:
| In practice it doesn't work this way. Saying it is
| "unsupported" does not mean people will respect that
| boundary, nor will it prevent people from contacting you
| expecting your time and attention, which is what actually
| happens. There is significant overhead to open sourcing
| software.
| jannes wrote:
| People won't respect the boundary if you host the code on
| github, because it's just too easy to open issues or pull
| requests.
|
| However, what about just releasing a zip file with the
| sources and linking it on your downloads page?
| perk wrote:
| Someone should make sourceavailable.com - A service that
| automatically pulls my private repos from GitHub and
| makes it available as open source to other programmers. A
| read only version of GitHub, without the isssue/PR
| overhead.
|
| Code should be easy to read/download on
| https://sourceavailable.com/username/repo
| makapuf wrote:
| Some people did close the issues and store them in a
| directory as plaintext on the repo. Want to report a bug
| ? make a PR. the extra little friction was added so that
| you need to spend a little time (and having spent that
| little time you might as well research a bit your bug or
| read the doc). Bonus point, your project is now
| completely portable.
| ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
| This.
|
| Even for code I didn't publish (like corporate SDK
| internals), I have been contacted (which took some work,
| because my employer _did not_ like customers interacting
| with Engineering), and told (not "asked" - _told_ ) to
| make changes to our corporate, closed-source SDK to suit
| some rando's tinkering around (also, for extra credit,
| said rando hadn't even purchased one of our cameras).
|
| Even open-sourcing has its caveats.
|
| Anyone that has spent any time at all, on most tech
| forums, have seen the "Open Source Holy Wars" being
| fought.
|
| I tend to use the MIT license. I won't go into the
| reasons why. I write OSS, and I support it. I choose to
| do so under MIT.
|
| In the past, I have been contacted (I make it easy to get
| in touch with me), and told that I was a "corporate
| shill" for not using GPL.
|
| That's always a great way to start the day.
|
| Also, our corporation had to fend off a few legal
| threats, because some of our software looked vaguely like
| some GPL stuff (I guarantee it wasn't -they were _anal_
| about the GPL), so zealots would sometimes throw sueballs
| (or vague threats, thereof) at us.
|
| At least the patent trolls would do a little bit of
| homework before attacking us. These folks wouldn't even
| bother wondering if they might be mistaken before
| unleashing the hounds.
| [deleted]
| nix23 wrote:
| I would love to use ST on FreeBSD and Solaris natively, i know
| it's a niche and probably not worth the time, but still here i
| said it.
|
| BTW: Thanks for a great Editor.
| stephc_int13 wrote:
| Do you plan to add an integrated terminal to ST at some point?
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| We do not have any plan to do this, though there are some
| features we're looking at for improving existing terminal
| packages.
|
| I personally wouldn't ever use a embedded terminal, as their
| user interaction inherently conflicts with the rest of the
| application. ctrl+w for instance needs to both close
| files/tabs as well as delete a word in the terminal.
| matklad wrote:
| Are there any plans regarding first class support for LSP (or,
| more generally and perhaps more useful, first class support for
| extensions providing semantic knowledge about the code)?
|
| I know that LSP plugin exists, but, anecdotally, folks are
| having trouble with it. Which i think is understandable
| https://lsp.sublimetext.io/features/ says Show Code Actions:
| UNBOUND, and this is the second most useful thing in LSP (the
| first is extend selection), it's not that the plugin is wrong:
| it's just that you can do only so much if the editor lacks
| first class UI/UX concepts for features, required to expose LSP
| to the user.
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| We've worked hard alongside the developers of the LSP plugin
| to improve support for it with ST4 and will be continue to do
| so in the future.
| rattray wrote:
| Can you share any comments from the discord beta testers
| about the LSP in v4?
|
| Or are the majority of the user-facing improvements to the
| LSP plugin still to come, based on the foundational work
| that just rolled out?
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| I didn't have much to do with LSP or the plugins during
| development, but from what I've heard most of the work
| has already been done. LSP has had a ST4-specific branch
| for quite some time.
| losvedir wrote:
| Yeah, this is crucial to me. I was formerly a paid user of
| ST3 before switching to VSCode, but gave the ST4 beta a try a
| month or so ago. I couldn't get the LSP to work for me for
| Elixir, so I ended up back on VSCode for now.
|
| I figured I'd wait until the non beta release, and try again.
|
| The sort of minimal deal breaker level of support for me is
| being able to jump to definition. The symbols, if I
| understand correctly, are based on the syntax configuration,
| and for the common Elixir one, it includes the type
| definition line, each function head, and the _callsites_ of
| the function, which makes it nearly useless for symbol
| navigation.
|
| I figured LSP would help in this regard, but I couldn't make
| it work. The docs were vague, and I think I had to put some
| JSON configuration structure in some file, but nothing I
| tried I guess was the right file or right structure.
|
| Still, I love everything else about Sublime and am excited
| now for multi-tab-select, so I'll probably give it one more
| try. Hopefully LSP is better integrated or documented by now.
| arvindamirtaa wrote:
| Do you have any plans to add first class support for SSH based
| or docker based remote development workflows?
|
| The current Rsubl implementation kinda works. But is a bit
| hacky for reliable everyday work.
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| We've certainly talked about it, but there aren't any
| concrete plans yet.
| rahoulb wrote:
| I would second this - it works really well in VSCode and
| it's something I would happily pay for.
| danmur wrote:
| I love Sublime, I've paid for every version and I did the
| same for my devs for many years (when I had a company cc!).
| I would just like to say remote editing is the only thing I
| use vscode for. If ST had remote editing I and probably a
| lot of other people would use it more.
|
| Once again, love sublime, just a suggestion :)
| z3t4 wrote:
| Install xserver (also works on Mac and Windows) then ssh
| -X to the container. Start sublime on the container, and
| the gui will show up locally.
| davidkhess wrote:
| Not sure if it matches your use case or not, but I use
| sshfs with Sublime Text and it's just as good as local
| editing.
| silverwind wrote:
| This is my #1 feature I'd like to have.
|
| If you decide to add it, please make it flexible enough to
| configure all options OpenSSH provides.
| silverwind wrote:
| There is a SFTP plugin that supports this to some extend but
| it's a serial file sync, not parallel like VSCode so it's
| painfully slow in comparison.
| onei wrote:
| I can see personal licenses get the 3 years worth of updates
| that you've mentioned elsewhere in the comments here. However,
| business licenses get 1 year of use before it expires, but I
| can't tell if that includes upgrades from ST3 to ST4. Can you
| clarify what the status is for that?
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| Business licenses follow the traditional subscription model.
| The licenses don't expire, but they do get revoked once the
| business either revokes them or stops paying. Because of this
| there is no upgrade from ST3 to ST4 - it's simply included in
| the subscription.
| beermonster wrote:
| I like the fact I can upgrade my 3 licence ! Whoop whoop. Will
| take it for a spin - thanks for that hard and continued work.
| TeeMassive wrote:
| Vim has Vimtutor; could Sublime have its Sumblimetutor too?
|
| I've been using Sublime for years now and yet I barely use most
| of its "well known features" and I feel ashamed of myself.
|
| I know there are tutorials out there, but I am a chronic
| procrastinator and I just can't bring myself to watch them
| while at home.
| yesenadam wrote:
| You could use philosopher John Perry's method. Put every
| activity on a To Do list, ordered by importance.
| Procrastination is doing lower-down items instead of higher-
| up items. Perry has the top of his list filled with so many
| awesome items that even things lower down are still well
| worth doing.
|
| So, it sounds like you could add more awesome things to do to
| the top of your list, until your procrastination becomes
| things like..watching Sublime tutorials. He explains his
| method in detail on this page:
|
| http://www.structuredprocrastination.com/
| sprkwd wrote:
| Oh that is wonderful. Thank you for sharing.
| TeeMassive wrote:
| Ok, I'll check that out later.
| dsego wrote:
| https://packagecontrol.io/packages/Sublime%20Tutor
| TeeMassive wrote:
| I'll definitely check this out!
| traspler wrote:
| Could it be that you've already been using the new GPU
| rendering in SublimeMerge but not ST3?
|
| That would explain the visual corruption issues I sometimes
| have with Merge but not ST3. In Merge some actions, sometimes
| (mostly in the settings) corrupt the application window
| (sometimes also after minimizing and sleep) on my MacBook. To
| me it looked like a rendering/GPU issue. It looks like blocks
| of pixels having different colors, lines shifted, etc.
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| Yes we've been shipping the hardware accelerated rendering
| with Sublime Merge for some time now. A bug report would be
| welcome (Under Help > Report a Bug)
| aryamaan wrote:
| Thanks for this, I absolutely like it for the most parts.
|
| My only complain with Sublime is that if I have 100s of unnamed
| tabs opened, it gets very difficult to find a particular tab.
|
| I wish there was somewhat better tab organisation possible.
| Maybe there are some plug-ins, I did check last time when I was
| frustrated with it.
|
| Does anyone else face this issue or have I been using it wrong?
| mikeappell wrote:
| I tend to open multiple windows instead. Though, to be fair,
| I usually do that on a per project basis. I try to close tabs
| once I realize I'm not going to be using them in the near
| future.
|
| Basically the exact opposite of my browser habits, where I
| easily have 100 tabs open at any time, lol.
| chrisan wrote:
| You can use it however you like, but the moment I get to so
| many tabs open I can't read the titles of all of them is the
| moment I know I have too many tabs open and just start
| closing old ones, likely with "close others" action.
|
| You have ctrl tab and alt-# but once tab names are no longer
| visible/readable I don't see the reason to keep so many open.
| I think the filetree view is exactly how 100s of files should
| be organized for finding a file you can't remember the name
| of or ctrl-p for quickly opening a file you do
| Silhouette wrote:
| _You have ctrl tab and alt-# but once tab names are no
| longer visible /readable I don't see the reason to keep so
| many open_
|
| I make extensive use of layouts with several panes,
| bookmarks and, for longer files, opening multiple views
| into the same file and code folding. I find these tools
| particularly helpful when editing or reviewing sets of
| related files. This happens a lot for me: application code
| and its tests, front-end and back-end code either side of
| an API, code defining types/constants/interfaces and code
| using them, or sometimes larger numbers of related files
| when these kinds of pairings multiply. As long as
| everything stays open, ST preserves all of that display
| context independently for each file/view. Closing and
| reopening would lose that context every time.
| apocalyptic0n3 wrote:
| I don't have any questions, but I would like to thank you and
| the rest of the team at Sublime HQ for developing such terrific
| products. I've used Sublime for various purposes for about 7
| years now and just purchased, I think, my third license for it.
| And if I had to label any of my dev tools as a "must-have" for
| the way I want to work, I would probably put Sublime Merge
| first.
|
| Thank you so much!
| shrikrishna wrote:
| I've loved Sublime for years, and it's always the first
| software I install on a new machine. I even voted with my
| pocket by buying a license.
|
| However, since we started using Yarn workspaces (for JS), I've
| needed to switch to VSCode because its auto-import is just so
| much better, and it's one of those things that's hard to go
| back from, once you're used to it. Sublime text already indexes
| my code for search, which can probably be used for path
| suggestions / automatic imports without affecting performance
| too much maybe? I dunno.
|
| I wouldn't mind it being a plugin either (before Yarn
| workspaces, I'd use FuzzyFilePath plugin which worked pretty
| well). But native support would mean the performance would be
| on par with what I've come to expect from Sublime Text :)
| faraaz98 wrote:
| I want you lot to get a lot of funding for this because ST is
| the best editor IMO and it shouldn't be abandoned
| [deleted]
| PascLeRasc wrote:
| Is there a way to go back to the trapezoid-style tab UI instead
| of the rounded new Chrome tab UI? I didn't see it in any of the
| preinstalled themes but maybe there's a flag somewhere.
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| Use the `"file_tab_style"` setting. Do note that the older
| tab styles are missing some features, like highlighting the
| focused tab.
| PascLeRasc wrote:
| Thank you! I know this isn't much, but I just bought a
| license based on this comment. I didn't know it was
| possible but Sublime 4 feels even faster!
| themacguffinman wrote:
| I was surprised to see "By default, GPU rendering is enabled on
| Mac, and disabled on Windows and Linux". Is there any reason I
| shouldn't manually enable GPU rendering on Windows/Linux?
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| Windows and Linux have a much larger variety in hardware and
| drivers and much lower prevalence of high-dpi monitors. So we
| felt that for now it would be better to leave it disabled by
| default. This may change in the future.
| bruce343434 wrote:
| Can you at least turn it on this time? I stopped using ST
| because scrolling was so incredibly choppy on linux. It
| always lagged a second behind and felt so unresponsive.
|
| Edit: just read the patch notes, the ans is yes. Awesome!
| joshschreuder wrote:
| Is there a DPI threshold that would benefit most from GPU
| support?
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| As always it depends on the hardware. I've personally
| found that things start to get slow at >1440p.
| deagle50 wrote:
| Is there a typing latency penalty to GPU rendering?
| [deleted]
| DevKoala wrote:
| My favorite editor. Thank you so much.
| blibble wrote:
| a bit of a weird one... is there anyway I use my license for
| version 4 on version 2?
|
| my day job has a fixed list of binaries that are permitted to
| run (by digest)... 2 is on the list, and 4 isn't
|
| (quite happily using 4 now at home!)
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| Newer licenses don't work on ST2 for technical reasons, but
| I'm sure we can work something out if you contact our sales
| support (bottom of this page:
| https://www.sublimehq.com/sales_faq)
| hn8788 wrote:
| Congratulations on the new release though, it's been my
| favorite editor for years. Just a heads up, when you upgrade an
| existing license, the instructions say to click on Help > Enter
| License, but you have to remove the current license before you
| can enter a new one.
| breck wrote:
| Yup! I just ran into that too. Also, it looks like I could
| have upgraded my existing license for $70 via going that
| route, instead of buying a new one for $80. (Np for me, I'm a
| huge fan, but for other existing users check out "Help" menu
| before buying a new license)
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| Thanks, we've added some instructions for that.
| blissofbeing wrote:
| Is there any chance you'll be adding support for moving the
| sidebar to the right? This is the one stopping me from moving
| back to sublime.
| meekins wrote:
| Congrats on the release!
|
| Are there any plans for some kind of combo deal now that
| Sublime Text and Sublime Merge licenses are aligned?
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| There already is :)
| beermonster wrote:
| Any link? I've used SM on and off just as I was excited
| when it first came out - I really like it.
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| When purchasing a new license or upgrading there's a
| checkbox for the bundle.
| beermonster wrote:
| Thanks!
| 0xhh wrote:
| just downloaded it. looks awesome!!!
| BrandoElFollito wrote:
| I am a home, amateur developer and I was always curious why
| developers would choose an editor instead of an IDE.
|
| When I started to code 25 years ago, there was no choice but as
| soon as I discovered IDEs I never looked back.
|
| Startup speed may be an issue, but it is I believe insignificant
| for a coding session (of a few hours). Key bindings are portable.
| IDEs bring code completion, integrated debugging etc.
|
| I am really curious.
| krimbus wrote:
| My opinion is that it depends on the work done (codebase,
| language, etc.). In the
| slezyr wrote:
| 1.) Speed. IDEs often take seconds to start and you just need
| to edit _.md,_.json, *.sh.
|
| 2.) Support of different file formats and ease to install a new
| one with Package Control. Often, it's just Ctrl-Shift-P -> Type
| "Inst" -> type format's name and it's done.
|
| 3.) Many IDEs show the typed symbols after some delay and I
| really hate it.
| BrandoElFollito wrote:
| 1 - this is true but as I mentioned, for a coding session it
| would not be an issue. I use vscode (an IDE) for these quick
| edits when my IDE of choice (jetbrains) takes quite some time
| to start.
|
| 2 - vscode is the same. Jetbrains has this problem, though (I
| raised that point with their support but this will not
| change, unfortunately)
|
| 3 - you mean that the text lags when typing? I never saw that
| but I work on reasonably fast computers and only use vscode
| and Jetbrains IDEs
| alberth wrote:
| It's interesting to see how much more performant Sublime is on
| Windows & Linux than it is on macOS.
|
| https://www.sublimetext.com/blog/articles/hardware-accelerat...
|
| On a 4k display, to render:
|
| * Windows is 3-7ms
|
| * Linux is 3-17ms
|
| * macOS is 18-30ms <-- 10x worse than Windows best
|
| Anyone have ideas on the cause the poor performance of macOS
| relative to Windows or Linux?
|
| Would also be interesting to know how this compares to VS Code,
| since a large reason why people choose Sublime over VS Code is
| due to performance.
| [deleted]
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| That table isn't a comparison between operating systems, it's
| data points to show how OpenGL compares to software rendering.
| The hardware used for each operating system is vastly
| different. The macOS benchmarks were run on a 2015 macbook air,
| whereas the Windows and Linux benchmarks were run on
| workstation desktops with dedicated graphics cards.
| jpe90 wrote:
| Does all of the documentation for sublime text 3 also apply to 4?
| Is 4 compatible with plugins for 3? Sorry if that's a dumb
| question, I haven't used sublime text in forever. Hoping to try
| it out on a flutter project.
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| > Does all of the documentation for sublime text 3 also apply
| to 4?
|
| All of our documentation has been updated to describe both 3
| and 4. The vast majority of the changes have been additions.
|
| > Is 4 compatible with plugins for 3?
|
| Yes, completely. What's changed is there's now an extra plugin
| host for python 3.8 with ST4.
| flaxton wrote:
| I tried Sublime Text a few years ago, and it was OK, but I'm
| still sticking with Emacs which is burned into my muscle memory.
| I can use it with or without a GUI (I never use the menu) like in
| a remote SSH command line. The thing that could get me to move
| was if there was a Mac AND iPadOS version of Sublime Text.
|
| Looking ahead, now with the M1 chip on the iPad Pro, it seems the
| next step for Apple would be to allow a lot more power in iPadOS,
| especially since it is a different OS than iOS on iPhone. We
| shall see. In the meantime, I plan to get the 2021 iPad Pro 12.9
| to replace my 2018 12.9 and look forward to WWDC for any iPadOS
| announcements.
| [deleted]
| mokkol wrote:
| Had to run the following command to make "press and hold keys to
| repeat" work. (for example holding down the e key will create
| eeeeeeeeeeeeeee, instead of an option menu to choose eeie)
|
| defaults write com.sublimetext.4 ApplePressAndHoldEnabled -bool
| false
| frou_dh wrote:
| If you don't want that anywhere, it can also be disabled OS-
| wide instead: defaults write -g
| ApplePressAndHoldEnabled -bool false
|
| then, typing for example e can be accomplished using alt+u e
| (may vary by keyboard layout).
| mokkol wrote:
| wow didn't know this... You are a life safer. thanks a lot!
| brainless wrote:
| I used to use Sublime a couple years back, I do not remember
| having a paid license though. When I had a slower laptop (I ran
| Arch on an 8GB/i5 4th Gen) I felt the need for a faster editor.
|
| Today, I tried Sublime Text 4. It is definitely faster to launch
| and overall UI felt more responsive even in a couple clicks. But
| I could not see how to browse within the components/files
| (Ctrl+Click usually) in the folder that I opened (TypeScript/Deno
| project). VS Code does that without much effort. I could not see
| how to set debug breakpoints on the editor gutter (left).
|
| I have an i5 9th Gen/20GB laptop now and I would still like a
| faster editor/IDE. I would be happy to take a license too. But
| getting debugger and project level browsing setup should be
| really easy and I feel VS Code does this, even if the overall UX
| is a bit slower. Plus plugins like Prettier, Git viewer and some
| other tooling.
|
| I will spend some time but if anyone takes some time to figure
| these out, please share them. We need more editors so that we do
| not end up having one winner and then the winner starts becoming
| a slow monster...
| sirwitti wrote:
| Even though I stopped using it as my primary development editor
| years ago I still use it every day for quickly writing notes and
| quickly editing arbitrary files.
|
| I just checked, I bought my license in 2013 and since I really
| appreciate good software that support linux I just upgraded the
| license.
|
| Thanks for creating a product that has turned out to be useful in
| many ways over the years!
| Wowfunhappy wrote:
| > Sublime Text license keys are no longer tied to a single major
| version, instead they are now valid for all updates within 3
| years of purchase. After that, you will still have full access to
| every version of Sublime Text released within the 3 year window.
|
| I really love this model.
| mxcrossr wrote:
| I just wish it was a little cheaper. Every time I think about
| buying a license I realize it's like 30-40 USD more than I
| expect and I chicken out
| forgotmypw17 wrote:
| I agree, I think it's hugely discriminatory against majority
| of world.
| novok wrote:
| TBH, the rest of the world will just pirate, and if they
| make a good income eventually that is more the
| international standard, they can buy with their own cash. I
| don't think sublime has top of the line DRM.
| perryizgr8 wrote:
| I live in India, and I find the price a bit too high. But
| that does not mean I will pirate the app. I will use
| other free alternatives until I can afford the program I
| want to use. So, asking Sublime to reduce the price to
| cater to people like me is a valid request, IMO.
| mxcrossr wrote:
| Sublime can be downloaded for free though. It just bugs
| you every few days asking if you would mind paying.
| That's my situation now. I'd love to through some cash
| their way since it's a great product, but it's just a bit
| too steep.
| forgotmypw17 wrote:
| Seems ignorant of currency-free or low-currency
| lifestyles, barter culture, gift culture, volunteerism,
| etc.
| [deleted]
| ddingus wrote:
| Well, it is not far off a good game and some DLC.
| emteycz wrote:
| It's not really much though... Software engineers make that
| in an hour or two, that's reasonable price for 3 years of
| updates of the primary tool... And it's a business expense.
| And as the sibling comment says, a game costs about the same.
| rsiqueira wrote:
| It depende on the country. In my country (Brazil, where
| minimum wage is less than US$ 1/hour) a software developer
| earns about 1/4 or 1/5 (or less) compared to US salaries
| for a similar job. Spotify, Netflix and YouTube Premium
| here are much cheaper than in US.
| emteycz wrote:
| I mean contractors - my bad, I should've been more
| clear... I'm used to everyone being a contractor.
| Employees should get license from employers. Is
| contracting rate also that low in Brazil?
| obdev wrote:
| $100 in an hour or two?
|
| Only in a small part of the world.
| emteycz wrote:
| Okay then, five or eight hours, or a week.. for _3 years_
| of updates - still peanuts considering that this is
| programmer 's primary tool and business expense
| deductible from tax base.
| michaelmrose wrote:
| To be fair in most of the developed world it is more like
| 4-6 and there is always Emacs, Vim, Atom, Code for free.
| An embarrassment of riches for nothing.
| amatecha wrote:
| Any chance you can get your employer (if you have one) to buy
| you a license? Some employers will help out their staff by
| buying licenses for IDEs, or textbooks or stuff like that.
| michaelmrose wrote:
| Life is expensive and getting more expensive every day. The
| median home price is twice as expensive as when sublime
| released for $70 in 2008. Everything from a car to a loaf of
| bread is more expensive and your developer needs pay for
| housing and loaves of bread too. As it stands the new
| permanent price of 99 is only 41% higher than in 2008.
| Elinvynia wrote:
| Yet wages didn't rise at the same speed as those
| expenses...
| itsoktocry wrote:
| The wages in the type of work for which a Sublime Text 4
| license is required most certainly rose since 2008.
| blackfawn wrote:
| I agree with this very much. Both Sublime Text and Sublime
| Merge are quite cost prohibitive, particularly so for
| individual users. I've mentioned this here and elsewhere
| before and often others will attempt to deflect this with
| getting an employer to cover it or that it isn't much for a
| developer, but that only holds true for a smaller subset than
| they realize.
|
| One can buy a copy of Windows 10, an entire operating system,
| for about the same price (or often considerably less!)
| gilbertbw wrote:
| That's not a fair comparison. Windows has much more general
| appeal than a text editor, so many more sales to pay off
| R&D.
| Glavnokoman wrote:
| There is a story about a Jewish tailor whom it took 1 month
| to sew the pants. So the customers tells him Look it took
| god 7 days to build the world and you were making pants for
| a month... And the tailor answers Yes, but look at this
| world and now look at these pants... Same here.
| benfrain wrote:
| I laughed. A lot.
| alert0 wrote:
| Wait, does this mean my license from 2014 isn't going strong
| anymore?
|
| Edit: I've upgraded. I've felt guilty for years for how much
| mileage I've gotten out of Sublime. It is one of my most used
| applications.
| asdfasgasdgasdg wrote:
| Still going strong for ST2 or 3, whichever you bought.
| alert0 wrote:
| Pretty sure I bought at ST2, been on 3 for a while.
| asdfasgasdgasdg wrote:
| If you've been using 3, you probably paid for an upgrade:
| http://www.sublimetext.com/blog/articles/upgrades
| rexf wrote:
| Your link is from Feb 2013.
|
| I bought ST in mid-2014. I don't remember which version I
| bought, but it must have been ST3 in 2014.
| pilif wrote:
| ST3 required an updated license too
| ddingus wrote:
| So do I. Makes a ton of sense. I am going to buy a license.
| This program is worth every penny.
| CivBase wrote:
| That is a good model, but I'm a little confused about the
| transition. My license from 2015 obviously doesn't include ST4,
| but does it still include all versions of ST3 since it was
| purchased before this change? Or was it retroactively updated
| to only capture ST3 versions released during that 3-year
| window?
| ezfe wrote:
| I can't imagine they retroactively changed it
| amatecha wrote:
| Why's that? It depends how frequently a major release happens.
| If it stays at "4.x" for 5 years, I'd way rather have the "tied
| to a single major version" license :)
| jhawk28 wrote:
| If it stays 4.x for 5 years, it is effectively tied to a
| single major version. You get all the updates for that major
| version.
| amatecha wrote:
| That's not what OP quoted though -- the new licensing model
| says you get all updates for 3 years (regardless of version
| number).
|
| So with the new license model, let's say v4.7 gets released
| at 3 years and 1 day, you won't get the v4.7 update.
| Whereas if the license was tied to major version, you would
| get 4.7 and onward, until the dev decides to call it 5.x
| matsemann wrote:
| That's the problem, though. The old model gives Sublime weird
| incentives, where they would be better off bumping major
| version more often to force people to upgrade. Or push
| features back until next major. And if they don't do, they
| are basically working for free for a few years.
| twelvechairs wrote:
| Isnt it just a simple subscription model with a 3 year term?
| ddingus wrote:
| Mostly, but allowing access during the window on an enduring
| basis is generally not typical of subscription models.
|
| This is more like dated entitlement than subscription.
|
| Most subscriptions have much stronger pressure to renew,
| including inability to install or download outside
| subscription period, version limits, software quits working,
| and, and, and...
| dawnerd wrote:
| It's the sketch model just extended out. At least with this
| you don't have a version blocker if someone sends you a
| file made in a newer version.
| ddingus wrote:
| Yeah, text is nice that way.
| ben-schaaf wrote:
| Normal subscription models make you lose access to the
| software if you stop paying. With Sublime Text's new license
| model you retain full access except to updates released after
| the 3 year period has lapsed.
| [deleted]
| NikolaNovak wrote:
| Depends on details but +most+ "subscriptions" sadly
| increasingly mean you can't use any version whatsoever once
| you stop paying for it.
|
| I'd call it purchase plus support period but it may be the
| enterprise IT geezer in me :->
| ddingus wrote:
| Yeah, I would go with that too.
| CraftThatBlock wrote:
| I think this implies that after 3 year, you can keep using
| whatever is the last version you were using. It's basically
| license to get what you have right + any versions in the next
| 3 year.
|
| JetBrains also has a similar license for yearly
| subscriptions, where you can keep using whatever version was
| supported at the end of the license.
| smnrchrds wrote:
| > _whatever version was supported at the end of the
| license_
|
| No. The version you will perpetually have access to is the
| last version released one year before the expiry of your
| license. So if you get a one-year license and don't renew
| it, you only retain access to the version you first bought,
| not any new ones released during the year.
| CraftThatBlock wrote:
| Ah, my bad. They should fix that.
| yedpodtrzitko wrote:
| They already did... somehow. iirc their original plan was
| that you'll lose your license after you stop paying. But
| due to a big backlash against that, they changed it in a
| way that you can keep the license for product available 1
| year before you stop paying.
| cgriswald wrote:
| It's not broken. You're basically buying that version of
| the software with some benefits for a year; and they make
| it nice and easy to get the next version with benefits.
| If you decide to quit, you leave with exactly what you
| already paid for in the first place. Sure, it's not as
| nice as the Sublime Text model, but it's a fair, decent,
| and non-broken model.
|
| In contrast, subscription software expects you to pay in
| perpetuity so they can take risks with your money instead
| of their own on new versions and features. Generally
| nothing is guaranteed to you at all, only access to
| whatever version of the software is current. No
| guaranteed support, upgrade times, or anything. And when
| you leave, you get nothing at all.
| e3bc54b2 wrote:
| Jetbrains license works slightly different.
|
| You get a license and access to all updates released for
| duration. But if your license is not renewed at the end,
| you lose access to updates in the year/time since you
| bought the license.
|
| You still keep original version at the time you purchased
| license for as long as you want, though.
| eps wrote:
| So you are forced to downgrade in some (many?) cases?
| eitland wrote:
| I'm fairly certain the Jetbrains subscription model is:
|
| (Edit, I had to look it up, the exact wording is:) "You
| will receive perpetual fallback licenses for every
| version you've paid 12 consecutive months for.
|
| Other notably nice app/programs that uses this or similar
| sane, friendly models including Sublime Text 4 and
| Jetbrains products:
|
| - Agenda (Mac, iOS) Planner/journal
|
| - Manic Time time tracker (Windows, maybe Mac). This can
| easily save you many hours a month or help you increase
| billing.
|
| feel free to add more examples here, we should make some
| positive noise about companies that don't abuse their
| customers.
|
| (Please don't misunderstand me: Open source is often even
| lovlier but there are plenty of lists of Free/Open source
| software.)
| jay_kyburz wrote:
| I let my rider license lapse and I did have to
| "downgrade" to keep using it.
| eitland wrote:
| But only to the last version that you had paid for 12
| months, right?
| jay_kyburz wrote:
| I only had one year, so it was the release when I first
| paid.
| crazygringo wrote:
| No, with a subscription you lose access after 3 years.
|
| This is purchasing (not subscription), but that includes 3
| years of upgrades too.
| derefr wrote:
| Subscription models like Office365, Creative Cloud, etc.,
| lock you out of the software version you're already using
| when the subscription expires. In this approach, you can
| continue to use that version just fine. (And even still
| upgrade, if you're yet not on the newest version your license
| extends to.)
| mlex wrote:
| A lot of subscription models would lock you out after expiry,
| plus obviously the terms are usually much shorter.
| sturgill wrote:
| Not really since you don't lose access to prior versions.
| It's more like buying the old Photoshop CDs but then getting
| three years of updates with that purchase.
| p2t2p wrote:
| Not really. Subscription means that the thing stops working
| once you stop paying. This is a purchase with included
| maintenance subscription, a bit different (and much better).
| xenonite wrote:
| It has the added benefit that you can continue to use an
| outdated version.
| xvilka wrote:
| Sublime is blazingly fast for all its features. I hope there will
| be similar UI for NeoVim in the near future (no Electron please).
| There is OniVim, but it dropped the NeoVim as an engine, which is
| quite sad.
| jonpalmisc wrote:
| You might want to check out Neovide.
|
| https://github.com/Kethku/neovide
| antonyh wrote:
| I still miss the old MS-DOS edit.exe for it's speed, utility, and
| availability. The faster the better, I can't abide waiting for
| something that edits plain text.
|
| I might give Sublime 4 a go, because sometimes I just really need
| a super speedy text change. It will be competing with Emacs for
| speed and functionality.
| dgavrilov wrote:
| Sublime Text 3 - 10.9 MB RAM
|
| Sublime Text 4 - 109.8 MB RAM
|
| Windows 10 x64
| sbst32 wrote:
| The cursor got extremely big (high) and it really bugs me. I
| don't see a way to change that (yet).
|
| Quick screenshot for comparison: https://imgur.com/a/o5v8iVx
| Nicksil wrote:
| Settings:
|
| caret_extra_top
|
| caret_extra_bottom
|
| caret_extra_width
| wnevets wrote:
| VSCode seems to have a larger and healthier plugin ecosystem but
| I still find sublime text so much nicer to use.
| Cthulhu_ wrote:
| I've used ST (2 at the time) for a long time, back when IDE's
| were hardly offering any help or support for web development
| (early 2010's), since they couldn't make heads or tails from JS
| applications.
|
| I've done some other things in the meantime, some Java, some iOS
| development, etc. I tried Atom for a while, but it was just too
| sluggish. Then came VS Code, and for a good while that was the
| One. And to date, VS Code still gets frequent major updates and
| active development.
|
| However, nowadays when I scan the changelog, 99% of it is just
| not relevant. They spent a ton of development time building a
| terminal client into it. Which I guess makes sense for the use
| case where it's an in-browser editor, but personally I could have
| done without. Other things I don't really use are debuggers,
| remote editing, etc. It's still snappy enough, but I don't know
| if it's still relevant for me.
|
| For the past year or so, I've been using intellij as my primary
| editor for everything; JS and TS support are now good enough,
| performance is good enough, and it's a big help with Go, old PHP
| / JS, etc code.
|
| But I'm still nostalgic about ST from a decade ago, how fast and
| frequently I would just go `subl somefile` and it would be just
| There. Or the time I found a todo plugin that just worked fast
| and intuitively. Or the joys of cmd + p to open a file quickly,
| or fast global find & replace (really useful if cmd+click on a
| function doesn't navigate to said function).
|
| I just hope it works well with existing system and languages,
| e.g. using the TS language server or Gopls. I don't need it
| anymore as an all day working environment, but quick and dirty
| editing, yes please.
|
| Anyway yeah I just bought a license.
| geordee wrote:
| Same here
| lewisflude wrote:
| Does anyone here have any thoughts on how Sublime Text 4
| compare's to Panic's Nova?
|
| I used to be fully on the native editor train, but I love VSCode
| so much, it's difficult to justify switching back.
| FredPret wrote:
| I like how I started years ago by saying "Notepad sucks, let me
| try Notepad++ and Sublime Text".
|
| Now it's almost an IDE, but still a great text editor!
| ipaddr wrote:
| Notepad is on every system
| spiderice wrote:
| I can't seem to find it on my Mac :)
|
| Joking aside, even if it were on every system, I don't see it
| having much use outside of the very, very rare edit in a
| system that isn't my own.
| contriban wrote:
| I find it hard to believe anyone would use Notepad past the
| "wow I can edit this HTML file" phase. I found PSPad years
| before I started working.
| nkozyra wrote:
| Note the "years ago" part. Options were limited for non
| terminal free/cheap options for a long time.
|
| Wiki says PSPad came out in 2001, I'd guess this experience
| predated that.
| stickyricky wrote:
| In 1999, I made a Starcraft blog entirely in Notepad. There
| may have been other options at the time but my download
| speed was < 28k in rural Tennessee.
| ecmascript wrote:
| I bought the license for sublime text 3 in which feels like
| forever ago but it turns out that it was only 2.5 years ago and I
| could use ST4 without having to purchase it.
|
| Amazing. The product is amazing and I love the improvements.
| Before the language support for Elixir for example was kind of
| poor and it's vastly improved now.
|
| I feel very excited to run this new version onwards.
| johnghanks wrote:
| Does ST support LSP? Or are these auto-complete improvements
| bespoke?
| stephenr wrote:
| I'd love to use a lighter (in terms of resources) editor like
| this, but after using IDEA (not for java - but it's the single
| Jetbrains tool that supports all other language packs) the editor
| in this feels like comparing a car to a bicycle.
|
| Sure, the bicycle starts off quicker, and you _feel_ so much
| quicker.
|
| But that's where the benefits end, IMO. I just opened up a client
| project with this (that project is a mixture of php, sql, shell,
| and some client side browser code).
|
| The symbol recognition compared to IDEA was pretty abysmal. Then
| I thought maybe I need to try the other way (i.e. find a usage of
| a symbol manually and then try to resolve it back to its
| definition).
|
| That the find-in-files results are just another text view with
| paths in there is probably appealing to some people... me I'd
| rather you just let me open the file.
| scubbo wrote:
| +1. Sublime is a fantastic lightweight text editor, but the
| version that I've used simply isn't an IDE. Excited to see what
| new features are in this one, though!
| stephenr wrote:
| And on a Mac this is where I fail to see the market for it,
| particularly at $100.
|
| If you just want something lightweight to open text files but
| still have some basic syntax highlighting, there are heaps of
| choices that are better Mac apps. I'd suggest any/all of
| these three (all of which happen to be OSS but that's not why
| I recommend them - I didn't actually realise until now that
| they all are)
|
| - SubEthaEdit: https://subethaedit.net
|
| - CotEditor: https://coteditor.com
|
| - TextMate: https://macromates.com
| rplnt wrote:
| In what ways are they better? Or just being more "native"
| in some way? I use sublime mostly because it has multiline
| editing and regexp find/replace, these seems to have it
| too, which is awesome.
|
| (by the way, completely random question: do you happen to
| know a lightweight image editor on osx? I tried few and
| they were either not working, bad, or some combination of
| both; on windows I use Paint.NET which does all I need and
| is fast, quick to start, etc..)
| stephenr wrote:
| Well they look/behave like regular macOS apps. It's
| _very_ apparent that Sublime is a cross-platform app IMO.
| Even IDEA, which has a god damn java UI, manages to
| integrate better.
|
| They also don't reduce everything to a literal screen of
| text (seriously, I hit Cmd-, in Sublime to see
| preferences, and just got an empty text screen... I guess
| I have to just work out what options it has by randomly
| trying stuff?).
|
| The extent of my image editing needs on macOS is
| typically solved by either the "Markup" tool on an image,
| or Preview (i.e. highlighting/drawing attention to
| something on a image, and/or cropping an image).
| benfrain wrote:
| If you want the same language treatment as say, VS Code,
| install the LSP plugin. It is the exact same thing
| modernerd wrote:
| I like IntelliJ a lot but it has some distractions that make me
| keep an eye on the Sublime/Vim/Neovim communities because I'd
| love to switch to something lighter and politer.
|
| A couple of small examples in IntelliJ:
|
| I see the "IDE Fatal Error" light flash about 5-10 times a day.
| It's quite hard to ignore and you have to dismiss it by opening
| a window soliciting feedback about what you were doing when the
| IDE exception occurred. I generally have no idea what caused
| the exception, so I usually leave the feedback field blank. It
| feels like being a mechanical turk for exception reports.
| (There's an 11-year-old YouTrack to auto-submit exceptions in
| case this annoys anyone else too:
| https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEABKL-5835 )
|
| Most themes show a large number of stripe marks in the editor
| scroll area for errors, warnings, "weak warnings", and more,
| which lights up the scrollbars for no good reason. You can turn
| these off in the preferences along with all of the other visual
| clutter. But I got so frustrated having to track all of those
| options down whenever I try a new JetBrains IDE that I ended up
| making a theme that reduces a lot of the visual noise by
| default, such as only showing stripe marks for errors:
| https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/14858-blackbird-theme
| ncann wrote:
| For the last point, you can double click on a line in the
| search result page and it will open the file for you. I have to
| admit I don't particularly enjoy this search UI either, it's
| rather unintuitive, plus somewhat annoying as well since when
| you do a new search, if you don't remember to close the search
| result page the new search results will be appended to the
| existing page, which isn't what I want most of the time.
| frou_dh wrote:
| Just deselect the "Use Buffer" button in the UI where you
| type the search, and results will then be shown in a more
| traditional panel at the bottom of the window.
| stephenr wrote:
| I mean, the results do appear at the bottom of the search
| pane.
|
| I wouldn't call dumping a stream of matches with 2+2
| context lines into a pane like that 'traditional' in terms
| of search results.
|
| If I wanted that kind of result, I'd use a command line.
| frou_dh wrote:
| Not really interested in your stream of complaints from
| iteratively exploring
| stephenr wrote:
| Then, don't read them?
| CraftThatBlock wrote:
| I'm a IntelliJ/WebStorm user (I use IntelliJ but for mostly
| JS/TS/X), what's the level of support for these tools vs VS Code
| for example?
| malinens wrote:
| I am also phpstorm user but I use sublime text exclusively for
| quick edits or for projects I have not set up "proper IDE" yet
| as opening whole project folder is much faster in sublime text
| and there is no need for import or index step which are quite
| slow on first open
| syspec wrote:
| It colors the words, mostly
| babaganoosh89 wrote:
| Does anyone still choose Sublime over VS Code? I wonder what
| plugins I'd miss from a frontend dev perspective.
| sbahr001 wrote:
| I sometimes do, sublime is a significantly faster and sometimes
| that works with my "though" process better than vscode. Pretty
| much, I use sublime text when I want to do something fast, and
| vscode when I want maximum compatibility.
| petarb wrote:
| I use Sublime for editing and formatting large CSV/JSON files.
| It's much faster than VSCode which I find freezes for my use
| cases.
| Hamuko wrote:
| Yes. VS Code is too damn slow.
| mackrevinack wrote:
| i begrudgingly use VSCodium at work because they don't have a
| licence for sublime text and they probably wouldn't buy one if
| i asked. i swear it takes me twice as long to do things but
| maybe with time i will get more used to it.
|
| one thing i do like about it is how easy it is to create split
| screen documents just by dragging then to the edge of the
| screen
| frou_dh wrote:
| ST licensing terms have always allowed you to use your
| personal license at your dayjob too.
|
| "Using a Personal License at Work":
| https://www.sublimehq.com/sales_faq
| mackrevinack wrote:
| dam! thats great. thank you
| hn8788 wrote:
| I tried out VS Code after using Sublime for a while, and almost
| immediately switched back. I may have liked it if I used it
| more, but VS Code felt comparatively slow, and it seemed like
| there are a ton of tiny UI elements scattered in every corner,
| all trying to get your attention about something.
| nickjj wrote:
| The new auto-complete is really impressive.
|
| I've always been a big fan of using snippets and auto-completing
| based on open buffers in a project instead of using LSPs.
|
| I haven't used ST in a while but decided to install ST4 to try it
| out.
|
| I opened a Flask application that uses SQLAlchemy. I opened a
| Python file and typed User. and then it showed me a list of
| fields and methods on my User model without having the User model
| open in a buffer.
|
| I did the same thing in an Elixir project and after installing
| the Elixir package it worked for project specific "things" in my
| app. Like after typing UserView. it showed me only functions
| available in that view. Likewise it did the same thing with
| context modules, it picked up all functions inside of a specific
| module.
|
| In both cases as I started typing "User" it showed me options to
| pick from. In both cases it also listed out the number of
| definitions for a specific "thing" and lets you quickly jump to a
| specific one. If you mouse over a function it brings up the list
| to pick a definition / reference. There's also key binds to bring
| up a CTRL+p'ish feeling menu to see and preview the file where
| something is being used.
|
| It's not as good as a LSP but it's definitely a few notches above
| what I've seen in other editors and the best part about it is not
| needing to configure multiple LSPs and it's lightning fast.
| Fnoord wrote:
| > The new auto-complete is really impressive.
|
| How does it compare to YouCompleteMe or TabNine?
| nickjj wrote:
| I haven't tried TabNine but according to its home page it
| doesn't support Elixir. It also requires a monthly
| subscription (the daily limit would be consumed in about 5-10
| minutes of coding). I don't mind paying for things but at
| this time I'm not interested in subscribing to more services.
|
| YCM feels more like a LSP client than buffer / project level
| auto-complete. AFAIK it requires you to have a language's
| runtime specifically installed which is a deal breaker for
| me. Most of my apps run in Docker and I don't have local
| copies of any runtimes installed.
|
| ST4 works wonderfully in this case because it parses
| everything out based on syntax highlighting rules.
| fpoling wrote:
| VSCode supports remote editing and running language server
| in a container.
| chiumichael wrote:
| It's much better than YouCompleteMe imo. The context-
| awareness of it is quite amazing.
| unknown_error wrote:
| How does it compare to the autocomplete in
| IntelliJ/Webstorm/Phpstorm? The amazing autocomplete is most of
| what keeps me on Jetbrains, but their software is soooo slow.
| nickjj wrote:
| IntelliJ's autocomplete is much better, but it's doing some
| heavy lifting to get such good results.
|
| I haven't gone crazy testing ST4 btw, I played with it for
| like 20 minutes. It felt like it was maybe 65% between ST3's
| auto-complete and what you'd get with a LSP back-end using
| VSCode. Meaning it's closer to VSCode than it is than ST3,
| but not as good as a LSP, but there's also no effort to get
| it set up so it's a reasonable trade off if you're someone
| like me who just wants pretty good auto complete without
| configuring a million tools to run in the background.
| mundanevoice wrote:
| > Many plugin API additions particularly to better support
| plugins like LSP
|
| It is coming with LSP support so that will work as well.
| lasagnaphil wrote:
| Anyone with experience on Sublime Text with LSP support for C++?
| I'm currently using CLion but am considering switching to ST if
| things like autocomplete/go-to-definition/simple refactoring
| works for C++/CMake without much hassle.
| mraza007 wrote:
| I love how Sublime text is fast and handles large codebases
| pretty well in my opinion when compared to using VSCode.
|
| I'm definitely not trying to hate VSCode i think it's awesome too
| with all the community support but sometimes it just uses way too
| much ram making my system slow
| thelastidiot wrote:
| Unfortunately, ny company won't let us install software thats not
| signed.
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