[HN Gopher] The 1788 Doctors' Riot
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The 1788 Doctors' Riot
Author : tuxxy
Score : 52 points
Date : 2021-05-18 11:54 UTC (11 hours ago)
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| redis_mlc wrote:
| Just for context, in that time, the countries including Japan who
| didn't use bodies for medical training ended up a century behind
| the West.
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| Japanese doctors and scientists were literally embarrassed when
| they flipped thru Western anatomy books.
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| In China, the Han custom is not to be an organ donor, hence the
| start of Falun Gong/Uighur/prisoner transplants, etc., which has
| turned into a profit center that funds their entire hospital
| system.
| dm319 wrote:
| Fascinating. It is quite shocking to read about our world not so
| long ago. I did dissection at university from a cadavar donated
| for education. We attended a service afterwards, prior to the
| cremation. I was very grateful to have the chance to learn from
| it in a way that would have been almost impossible using
| prosections or models.
| JoeAltmaier wrote:
| <pedantry> No doctors actually rioted; thus the title words
| Doctors' Riot seems strange </pedantry>
| etrevino wrote:
| In that era riots were often named for locations or the
| thing/person/event that instigated them. So, rather than it
| being a statement of who was rioting, it was an assertion for
| the reason for the riot. That's why we have the Sacheverell
| (sp?) and Gordon Riots: the first was sparked by the
| prosecution of an important prelate, the second was instigated
| by an English nobleman who opposed the restoration of rights to
| Catholic Englishmen.
| nwsm wrote:
| I agree. The implication is the opposite of reality, and I
| can't help but feel it's intentional.
| etrevino wrote:
| It's not intentional. It's just that how we described riots
| changed from the 18th C to today. Now we often describe who
| is rioting in the name of the riot. Back then they would
| often describe what sparked the riot in the name as opposed
| to who was rioting.
| iDisagreedEar wrote:
| I'd love a good riot against Physicians in 2021.
|
| 2 centuries of corruption has lined their pockets and caused the
| rest of us to avoid medical care.
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| I say this as I'm married to a doctor taking home 200-250k/yr. I
| don't mind shooting myself in the foot to save life.
| cfu28 wrote:
| Physician salaries only make up about 8.6% of all healthcare
| costs. That's less than Germany, Australia, France, etc.
|
| Healthcare costs do need to come down, but slashing physician
| salaries should be near the bottom of the list of things to
| target.
|
| https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/compensation-issues/ph...
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| https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6179628/#__sec1...
| neffy wrote:
| Strictly this problem is fairly local to the US - other
| countries manage to not have an engineered shortage of
| medically trained folks, and provide general, non-bankrupting,
| insurance schemes to pay them for their expertise.
| biggestdummy wrote:
| Healthcare is so corrupt that life expectancy in the US went
| from 40 years old in 1880 to nearly 80 years old today. What a
| crime! https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy
| msrenee wrote:
| I would look up the ladder before blaming physicians. It's not
| the high salary of the doctor that's inflated the cost of
| medical care. It's insurance, middlemen, overpaid
| administrators, and the general move to for-profit medicine
| that's to blame in my experience. Doctors make good money, but
| they also go through 8 years of expensive schooling to get
| there and are often just making ends meet for years after
| school.
| moshmosh wrote:
| Everything's part of the problem. It's why it's so hard to
| find "the thing" that causes high US healthcare costs. Every
| single part of it is more expensive than it should be,
| including doctors, and it all adds up to a system that's
| _way_ more expensive than it should be, without any single
| entity or group being responsible for most of the problem.
| cat199 wrote:
| Not in the industry, and these are complex issues, but the
| AMA is made up of doctors and is also a huge part of how
| medical professionals are qualified and has heavy influence
| on how funding for training, etc. is allocated. So while an
| individual physician may not be 'the problem', blaming the
| AMA (and so 'physicians') shouldn't be dismissed outright in
| favor of the other groups you mention, which are also part of
| the problem
| cfu28 wrote:
| The AMA certainly has physicians as members, but I would
| call it a stretch to say they represent the interests of a
| majority of physicians.
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| Plus, the AMA/AOA has been lobbying for more residency
| spots for a while now, which would increase supply for
| physicians. These are generally things that could bring
| down costs.
| mam3 wrote:
| Where did you see that years of education "should" or in
| general "do" lead to higher salaries lol ?
| tryonenow wrote:
| How do you incentivize people to spend 8 years of
| irrecoverable youth studying, and taking on the risk of
| succeeding and finding work after? Most people are simply
| not that interested in learning for learning's sake - and
| even if they were it wouldn't necessarily be a practical
| enough choice to generate enough doctors to satisfy the
| needs of society...
| [deleted]
| smcl wrote:
| I was surprised not to see any mention of Burke & Hare under the
| "See Also" section:
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burke_and_Hare_murders
|
| These guys started out doing roughly the same as those doctors -
| robbing freshly dug graves for anatomical study - but they moved
| on to killing to provide the bodies instead. Pretty grim
| dmix wrote:
| One of the classic true crime story.
|
| Edit: that facial reconstruction of William Burke is really
| interesting.
| mariuolo wrote:
| > but they moved on to killing to provide the bodies instead
|
| Wasn't H. H. Holmes also accused of this?
| (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H_H_Holmes)
| PeterWhittaker wrote:
| It's there now! Was added after you wrote this and before I
| read your comment.
| smcl wrote:
| Oh great! I was considering adding it later on but I was on
| the tram and didn't fancy fiddling with wikipedia on my phone
| :D
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