[HN Gopher] US investigates second suspected case of mystery 'sy...
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US investigates second suspected case of mystery 'syndrome' near
White House
Author : shalmanese
Score : 140 points
Date : 2021-05-17 14:18 UTC (8 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.cnn.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.cnn.com)
| jb775 wrote:
| _A March report from the National Academy of Sciences found that
| "directed, pulsed radiofrequency energy" was the most likely
| cause of the strange set of symptoms -- so-called microwave
| energy_
|
| Maybe the Biden administration should start wearing tin foil
| hats?
| detaro wrote:
| nice spherical/parabolic dishes with a focus-point in your head
| is exactly what you _don 't_ want
| smoldesu wrote:
| It would do a great job of amping the signal right into your
| cranium!
| LinuxBender wrote:
| We could bring chain-mail armor back into style. I
| mistakenly searched for "chain-mail cosplay", not _linking_
| to that.
| klmadfejno wrote:
| I got some chain mail bikini girls but that's about it.
| rich_sasha wrote:
| Noob q: wouldn't that be the case only for radiation coming
| along the body axis? If tin foil reflects these waves at all,
| having the radiation come from other angles should make it
| less bad, no? Like if they come face-on, they won't catch any
| of the concave part of the "dish" and be scattered away
| instead.
| colanderman wrote:
| Microwave retroreflectors are a thing:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corner_reflector#In_radar Too
| large for personal use, but one could certainly line a wall
| with them. Would increase the danger of using such a weapon,
| to have a significant portion of the signal reflected back at
| the operator.
|
| Apparently there's been some very recent research into planar
| (and presumably more portable) microwave retroreflectors as
| well: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9060553
| jeffchien wrote:
| Not sure why CNN chose to say March here, but the report (and
| CNN's own article that was linked in the quote!) was from Dec
| 2020 [1]. The CDC also studied this in 2018-2019, but they
| didn't produce a theory [2].
|
| [1] https://www.nap.edu/catalog/25889/an-assessment-of-
| illness-i... [2]
| https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20444983-foia-21-003...
| 1-6 wrote:
| Time to break out my faraday cage hat.
| fallingknife wrote:
| What is the incidence of these symptoms in government employees
| vs the general population? Is there even enough evidence to
| establish that this isn't some unknown neurological disorder (or
| multiple disorders given the range of symptoms)? The way our
| medical system is set up, if it's not obvious or catastrophic,
| you're symptoms will not be investigated in detail. So I tend to
| think it's a more likely explanation that some directed energy
| weapon from the Russians. That sounds like a cold war moral
| panic.
| paulpauper wrote:
| There is no substance here. A few people have vague ill symtoms
| due to some unknown cause.
| meowface wrote:
| It's over 130 diplomats and spies reporting it, at this point.
| And the reports are very specific and not vague. I'd bet money
| something real's going on and that the majority of the cases
| aren't psychogenic.
|
| Good article on it: https://www.gq.com/story/cia-investigation-
| and-russian-micro...
| pessimizer wrote:
| You can find as many cops vomiting, shaking, and hospitalized
| because they thought they touched fentanyl.
|
| https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fighting-
| crisis/2020...
|
| https://reason.com/2020/09/01/the-feds-who-made-americas-
| fen...
| meowface wrote:
| That's with a direct stimulus, though. I'm sure if someone
| put a fake "energy weapon" gun next to your or my head and
| pulled the trigger, we'd probably start feeling
| psychosomatic symptoms, too.
|
| In these cases, the symptoms always come on totally
| unexpectedly and abruptly, and immediately dissipate if the
| victim walks away and return if they return. And they just
| so happen to only occur in Havana and Moscow rooms with
| American and Canadian spies and diplomats (aka probably
| undercover spies, in many cases) in them, with the
| exception of these three reported DC/Virginia cases.
|
| I could write like a whole 20 page essay on this with all
| the circumstantial evidence that makes me think it's likely
| legit. I recommend reading that GQ article in full if you
| haven't (https://www.gq.com/story/cia-investigation-and-
| russian-micro...).
|
| I think it's likely some percentage of these cases are
| psychogenic, and it's even more likely for the DC cases,
| but I think it's more likely than not that a lot of them
| are real. It definitely might not be some kind of microwave
| weapon, but whether it's just some kind of noxious chemical
| or some crazy invention, I'd bet on it being real and
| deliberate. I'm a very skeptical person and tend not to buy
| conspiracy theories like these, but I think there's enough
| substance at this point to consider it likely, IMO.
| paulpauper wrote:
| over a 5 year period
| meowface wrote:
| Yes, and? In my opinion, the evidence points to it being
| more likely that the majority of cases are real symptoms of
| an attack or collection technique, even if some of the
| reports may be psychogenic.
| 35fbe7d3d5b9 wrote:
| > It's over 130 diplomats and spies reporting it
|
| If you wanted to bootstrap a mass psychogenic illness, it'd
| be harder to come up with a better scenario. You have
| civilian employees of the US government living out of their
| comfort zone, in a foreign country that is putatively "the
| enemy". You're eating unfamiliar foods, sleeping in
| unfamiliar surroundings, and all the while being told to be
| on constant alert for the dangers posed by your host country.
|
| > And the reports are very specific and not vague
|
| Some may be specific, but you're significantly overselling
| this. There are inconsistencies in both the reports of the
| affected individuals and what data has been allowed to be
| released by the US government.
|
| https://skepticalinquirer.org/2021/03/nas-report-on-
| havana-s...
| meowface wrote:
| Yes, the inconsistencies and just general human nature do
| make me think some percentage are likely psychogenic. And
| the microwave explanation doesn't have any specific
| evidence at the moment. But I think there's more rigor to
| it than you're suggesting, as well.
|
| I recommend giving that GQ article a full read. It goes
| into a lot of detail and isn't just some fluff piece. Their
| sources also claim to have identified FSB personnel near
| victims at the times of the attacks using the same method
| Bellingcat used to track and locate Navalny's FSB assassins
| (leaked telco geolocation data purchased on the black
| market), as well. That alone doesn't necessarily mean
| anything beyond surveillance, but it's interesting.
|
| I absolutely could be wrong and it could all turn out to be
| a mass psychogenic episode. But I'd put my money on there
| being something here, even if I have no clue what it is.
| (It could be something as "mundane" as poison or some kind
| of harmful aerosol.)
| belltaco wrote:
| Can you develop a sensor that detects high levels of this kind of
| radiation that can be put in a pocket or a purse and connects to
| a smartphone.
| devmor wrote:
| It doesn't connect to a smartphone, but I have a device about
| the size of a TV remote I use for measuring interference that
| would pick this up. It cost me about $9 in parts minus the
| arduino and 3D printer resin to make.
| ampdepolymerase wrote:
| You don't need to develop anything. This is a bog standard
| antenna exercise. At the level of power being used here,
| detecting it is trivial. The only issue for an omnidirectional
| antenna is perhaps portability. The powers that be most likely
| already know who is behind the attacks, or at least have a good
| guess. What they are willing to sell to the press is another
| question entirely.
| mywittyname wrote:
| I've always wondered what the reasoning behind discussing
| these topics with the press. I can understand if some nosy
| reporter is doing their job, uncovering information that is
| being hidden from the public. But in situations like this, I
| can't really see the value in discussing with the press; and
| I'm sure they wouldn't say anything to the press without
| getting some value from it.
| rdiddly wrote:
| Given how long this particular article goes on about how
| they don't know anything, they're baffled etc., I'm
| guessing the value of it is in concealing how much they do
| know. Maybe an adversary is responsible and they know
| perfectly well and want to make further observations. Or
| maybe our own spy agencies are responsible.
| nradov wrote:
| Sure. Small microwave radio receivers exist.
| goodpoint wrote:
| Embassies around the world already monitor the radio spectrum
| very carefully.
|
| Collecting intelligence is one of the main reasons for
| international diplomacy to exist.
| kawfey wrote:
| These exist for occupational use as PPE, not unlike ionizing
| radiation monitors, e.g.
| https://www.atecorp.com/category/personal-rf-monitors
| meepmorp wrote:
| > connects to a smartphone
|
| Believe it or not, your smartphone already has hardware for
| dealing with microwaves.
| sobriquet9 wrote:
| Only within certain frequency ranges. There are filters that
| block everything else.
| btbuildem wrote:
| The details are sparse, but are these incidents happening
| exclusively in / around US govt buildings and installations?
|
| I wonder if it could be coming from their own infrastructure -
| some side effect of an active RF shield or whatever.
| GoodJokes wrote:
| the sources on this whole thing are super stellar!
| 1024core wrote:
| And people thought that the tin-foil hat wearing crowd was a
| bunch of weirdos... who's laughing now? :-D
| cols wrote:
| For those interested, below is a YT link to a long conversation
| with Marc Polymeropoulos [0], a survivor of a Havana Syndrome
| attack and a former CIA Senior Intelligence Service Officer. He
| describes the evening of his "attack" in detail. He also goes
| into great detail discussing his attempts to get help through
| various medical channels. Curiously, it appears as if most/all
| survivors have developed occipital neuralgia.
|
| He also discusses the fact that apparently, after geofencing the
| area around the attacks, there is a known Russian agent in the
| proximity of the victim every time.
|
| I take all of this with a grain of salt; I find it difficult to
| trust any intelligence agency without a healthy dose of
| skepticism, but quite interesting nonetheless.
|
| [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5jTbsvd3rA
| turtletontine wrote:
| I read a convincing article a while back about these incidents in
| Cuba, by a neurologist saying this is all totally consistent with
| stress triggered neurologic incidents, and the microwave/sonic
| weapon stuff was all extraordinary claims with little evidence.
|
| The first case listed here just says "headaches and sleep
| trouble," buddy, I have that twice a week. I'm no expert but I'm
| inclined to believe the intelligence apparatus is on some
| overeager pattern matching.
| Threeve303 wrote:
| Is it even technically possible to take a microwave and apply
| WiFi beam forming techniques to control the location and
| amplitude of the signal?
| boomboomsubban wrote:
| I read most of the report when it was released, and their
| conclusion was based on nothing. Their section on whether the
| syndrome was psychological basically said "all available evidence
| fits the hypothesis that it's psychological, but there isn't
| enough to conclusively state it is."
|
| They shouldn't be surprised that a bunch of people are coming
| forward with a myriad of symptoms after a report like that.
| Nothing in these two cases described have anything in common,
| just felt ill somewhere near the White House. I doubt that's
| uncommon.
| BitwiseFool wrote:
| This whole thing really seems like some Psychosomatic Disorder.
| But I suspect that the people affected won't want to believe
| "it's all in their head". But there are plenty of historical
| parallels where groups of people started reporting the same
| malady with no apparent rational cause. And I suspect our
| modern day focus on rationality will lead to people looking for
| increasingly outlandish explanations because they don't want to
| believe that this is just some shared delusion that got out of
| hand.
| tantalor wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_plague_of_1518
| amirhirsch wrote:
| I'm calling it now: Covid-22 will be a Dancing Plague --
| Also a good name for an ironic book about an air force
| pilot who wants to become a ballet dancer, but how can he
| learn to dance, if no one will dance with him...?
| jonny_eh wrote:
| It does, except the first case. That one was the most
| descriptive, about a very loud noise in the victim's room. It
| turns out that it may have been a particular type of cricket
| that can produce shockingly loud noises, when in an enclosed
| space (like a hotel room).
|
| My guess is that the first "strange" report, and its
| mysteriousness, led to people being on-edge and starting to
| report any and all weirdness, creating this global "pattern".
|
| Source: https://gimletmedia.com/shows/science-
| vs/76hgkmv/havana-synd...
|
| Sound recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw5MLAu-kKs
| [deleted]
| boomboomsubban wrote:
| Most people have a very recent experience with a similar
| thing. Someone you know mistook their allergies or some cough
| for COVID and convinced themselves it was serious. This is a
| similar concept, except a negative test result only makes
| things worse.
| meowface wrote:
| I was a little skeptical at first, too, and I saw the same
| report, but at this point I'd bet serious money that the
| majority of cases are real and not psychosomatic. The
| psychological explanations have increasingly had less support
| over the past few years.
|
| It's definitely quite bizarre that there are now at least 3
| reports of it happening in the DC area. In one case, someone's
| dog was also reported as simultaneously being affected. There
| were also unrelated reports of another dog being affected
| (vomiting blood, among other things) in a hotel overseas. In
| both cases, humans and adults were simultaneously affected, and
| the symptoms both were experiencing wouldn't make sense if it
| were just a dog reacting to their owner's anxiety.
|
| I have no idea if it's microwaves, and I'm not quite sure if
| the DC attacks are real, but I think there likely are some sort
| of deliberate attacks occurring against US diplomats and spies.
| Maybe a collection method that's inadvertently causing harm, at
| least.
|
| Here's an interesting article on it:
| https://www.gq.com/story/cia-investigation-and-russian-
| micro.... I wouldn't be surprised if some of the cases are
| psychogenic (someone hears about it and then thinks they have
| it, etc.), but I suspect the majority are real.
| coliveira wrote:
| Your account only make the whole thing to be made out of thin
| air. There are numerous conditions that will make some people
| or animals to feel bad/vomit. The fact that there are only 3
| in the DC area means nothing, go to any large city and you'll
| find multiple people with similar symptoms from different
| causes.
| meowface wrote:
| Please read the GQ article I linked above if you haven't
| (https://www.gq.com/story/cia-investigation-and-russian-
| micro...). I understand if you're still skeptical after
| reading it, but it'd be helpful if we could be working off
| of the same information so that we won't need to use any
| contrived example scenarios.
|
| But I definitely acknowledge the DC cases are the ones that
| are most likely to be psychogenic. I just found it
| interesting that different dogs were allegedly affected
| both there and overseas.
| boomboomsubban wrote:
| >It's definitely quite bizarre that there are now at least 3
| reports of it happening in the DC area
|
| No it's not. DC is one of the most paranoid areas around, a
| significant portion of the population constantly thinks
| someone is out to get them. Three of those people now have
| symptoms without a clear medical cause.
|
| >wouldn't make sense if it were just a dog reacting to their
| owner's anxiety
|
| But it would make sense that the sick, stressed owner
| accidentally fed the dog something bad, or accidentally
| kicked the dog without realizing it, or forgot to feed the
| dog forcing it to eat something bad.
|
| As for Polymeropoulos, he felt sick, completely got over it,
| then started worrying that the illness may have been the
| Havana syndrome. Only then did the more serious ailments
| occur.
| meowface wrote:
| I definitely acknowledge the DC cases are the ones that are
| most likely to be psychogenic. I just found it interesting
| that different dogs were allegedly affected both there and
| overseas. And as for Polymeropoulos in particular, I'm not
| sure.
| raman325 wrote:
| Do you have any evidence to back up the claim that "a
| significant portion of the DC population constantly thinks
| someone is out to get them"? Admittedly anecdotal but I
| live in DC and I wouldn't characterize myself or anyone I
| know in the area that way
| meepmorp wrote:
| > Do you have any evidence to back up the claim that "a
| significant portion of the DC population constantly
| thinks someone is out to get them"?
|
| Not OP, but I'd point to people working in Fort Meade and
| Langley who are paranoid by trade.
| f430 wrote:
| It's already been verified unofficially amongst Biden's people
| that Cuba and this is PRC's doing. I am ready to receive
| downvotes as is often case criticisms of the CCP on HN are
| quickly flagged and censored.
|
| Just look at where YC gets a lot of their capital from. It's
| really sad as a non-American to see how your own fellow citizens
| actively seek to undermine the values of your country for
| personal enrichment.
| maccam912 wrote:
| Do you have a link to this unofficial verification?
| [deleted]
| anoonmoose wrote:
| You're not getting downvoted for criticizing the CCP, at least,
| not from me. You're getting downvoted for making unverifiable
| claims ("it's been verified unofficially amongst Biden's
| people") and for your pre-emptive complaining about being
| downvoted. Just want to make this clear.
| SnowProblem wrote:
| When I was researching the Cuba cases, I stumbled upon this Wiki
| article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect.
| It says there is a mechanism where microwaves can cause you to
| hear sounds that don't exist. In the 70s, they apparently
| improved the method so subjects were able to recognize 9 out of
| 10 words, although I don't think it's been reproduced. There are
| some strange patents as well. The problem is this subject is
| laced with conspiracy theory because you'll find forums for
| people with mental illness attributing their symptoms to these
| devices. But it is interesting, and I'd expect if it were
| possible the military would have such devices. Has there been any
| proof that this method actually works?
| katmannthree wrote:
| That mechanism, by the way, is microwave heating of the brain
| -- thermal expansion causes cranial pressure to rise, and by
| carefully modulating the microwaves those pressure signals are
| interpreted as sound by your inner ear.
| Enginerrrd wrote:
| I previously have read that it's more specifically heating
| and cooling of the inner ear itself.
| sudosysgen wrote:
| It's the entire head that is being heated, but perhaps the
| inner ear is the critical spot.
| R0b0t1 wrote:
| The entire head is being heated, slightly, but it can
| only cool by dissipating that heat to the environment.
| This happens slowly enough I do not see it as possible to
| achieve audible frequencies with such a heating/cooling
| cycle.
|
| The auditory effects have to be generated by RF, possibly
| frequency phased modulation, interacting with the inner
| ear.
| R0b0t1 wrote:
| Unlikely. The symptoms presented in the article may be due to
| this, but the auditory effect is related to effects on the
| inner ear and bones.
| DyslexicAtheist wrote:
| It seems the burning skin sensation is used in "Active Denial
| System" weapons researched and tested by the US (mainly for
| "crowd control"):
| https://www.dvidshub.net/video/304622/solid-state-active-
| den...
|
| The Soviets focused on the non-thermal applications of
| microwave radiation which can cause a variety of symptoms
| making them _plausibly deniable_. A 1976 report by the
| Pentagon reviewed Soviet research:
| https://www.dia.mil/FOIA/FOIA-Electronic-Reading-
| Room/FOIA-R...
|
| This article from few days ago has a lot more info than the
| CNN post: https://www.gq.com/story/cia-investigation-and-
| russian-micro...
|
| from the GQ article:
|
| > _" The report detailed Moscow's investigation of the
| effects of microwaves on the nervous system. Soviet, and
| later Russian, scientists found that exposing an animal's
| brain to microwaves changed the frequency at which neurons
| fired. Neurons also became suddenly out of sync with one
| another. Some brain cells in mice were found to have
| withered. Nerves became damaged. The radiation also showed
| the potential to disturb the sacrosanct blood-brain barrier
| and, according to the DIA, resulted in "the alterations of
| brain function." The most common symptoms reported in humans
| who had been exposed to microwaves for long periods of time
| sounded familiar: headache, fatigue, perspiration, dizziness,
| insomnia, depression, anxiety, forgetfulness, and lack of
| concentration.
|
| > Like Frey, Soviet researchers found that turning the
| intensity of the beam up or down could produce differing
| effects in its target. A target's unique physiology--a
| slightly different curvature of the skull, for example--also
| determined how this directed energy would affect them. A
| weapon that created an ever-changing kaleidoscope of
| neurological symptoms would have a powerful psychological
| dimension. If everyone's symptoms are all slightly different,
| victims might question whether they'd all been exposed to the
| same thing--or if they'd been hit at all."_
| dr_dshiv wrote:
| Are you familiar with temporal interference stimulation? I
| wonder if this could be induced through high-power radio waves.
|
| https://www.cell.com/cell-systems/pdf/S2405-4712(20)30372-0....
| frankus wrote:
| This is probably more of a thriller-novel MacGuffin than a
| hypothesis, but if you compromised a few nearby cell towers to
| interfere with each other just so, it might be possible to create
| a small pocket of very intense radiation without needing any
| other hardware.
| Stranger43 wrote:
| Is there any real reason why we assume were dealing with an
| physical phenomena induced by an external source(rf/radiation)
| and not some new variant of post traumatic stress, we are after
| all dealing with people living/working long hours inside an
| highly paranoid and potentially very dysfunctional organization.
|
| If there exist an blood test as the article claim it's should
| point to an chemical source rather then an electromagnetic source
| of the illness, and if that's the case we are almost certainly
| looking at American procurement incompetence rather then
| something nefarious by external actors.
|
| So far there is not a lot of evidence pointing at any kind of
| illness ray being deployed by nefarious actors.
| nicklecompte wrote:
| FWIW I suspect this is a case of mass hysteria or other
| psychogenic illness but there really are microwave weapons out
| there in the real world, and the Havana syndrome symptoms are
| quite similar to the results of microwave attacks (or
| accidental exposure, eg a sailor who steps in front of a
| powerful radar array). In fact I suspect the growing awareness
| of microwave weaponry - which are sincerely terrifying - makes
| the prospect of psychogenic illness more likely.
|
| > If there exist an blood test as the article claim it's should
| point to an chemical source rather then an electromagnetic
| source of the illness
|
| That's not true - an EM attack could conceivably affect the
| blood chemistry directly (radiation can destroy proteins and
| cause complex organic reactions). But the symptoms themselves
| will also leave biomarkers that can be picked up - hormones,
| transmitters, etc. Even if it was a case of mass hysteria you
| could probably design a low-sensitivity blood test around it.
| danbruc wrote:
| _If there exist an blood test as the article claim it 's should
| point to an chemical source rather then an electromagnetic
| source of the illness [...]_
|
| Not necessarily, you could detect the reaction instead of the
| cause in the same way an antibody test does not detect the
| pathogen or a drug test may actually detect a metabolite and
| not the drug itself.
| dboreham wrote:
| You'd need a test for "cooked flesh".
| s1artibartfast wrote:
| You can absolutely see results from cooked flesh on a blood
| test. The problem is that there are other possible causes
| for the results than cooked flesh
| Stranger43 wrote:
| for there to be specific antibodies to the cause i cant see
| how that would happen without some foreing element having
| been in the bloodstream. or be the result of close proximity
| to radioactive materials.
|
| It might be that they don't really have an blood test for
| specific traces but have an correlation between the presence
| of stress hormones and people suffering the symptoms which
| only really proves that the involved people are not lying
| about feeling sick, it don't really answer the "illness ray"
| vs "post traumatic stress" question.
| Enginerrrd wrote:
| This is wrong. There's actually biomarkers for PTSD that
| are detectable from a blood test. [1]
|
| Stresses can do all sorts of things, change gene
| expression, trigger proteins or breakdown products, etc,
| etc. All of those things can produce measurable changes.
|
| [1]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21392516/
| thatcat wrote:
| That's neat, but the gap between going to a GP and
| getting that test administered in the US seems difficult
| to bridge.
| Stranger43 wrote:
| yep thats kind of my point, PSTD is a real enough thing
| that it can legitimately cause symptoms and leave traces
| in the blood.
|
| The problem is that those are almost exactly the same
| kind of processes that theoretically could result in an
| "illness ray" leaving traces in the bloodstream.
|
| A big problem here is probably that the US government
| haven't yet fully internalized how real PSTD and other
| stress related symptoms are, and is still treating it as
| if kind of "fake" especially when it comes to paying for
| treatments. so the people campaigning for getting the
| victims help is forced to push some sci-fy inspired
| illness ray theory.
| eu2c wrote:
| > we are after all dealing with people living/working long
| hours inside an highly paranoid and potentially very
| dysfunctional organization
|
| Given the ever growing info streams pumping ever growing
| amounts of BS into their heads 24x7, its quite possible the
| brains Shannon Limit has been breached, which would mean ever
| increasing errors in what the brain perceives.
| wang_li wrote:
| There are many blood tests to measure things that are not
| indicative of a chemical intrusion except in the loosest sense.
| Blood sugar, stress (cortisol), and vitamin d (blood chemistry
| changes directly influence by electromagnetic effects) are
| three basic examples that come to mind. White cell counts (for
| a number of reasons including radiation damage) comes to mind
| as well.
| buhhh wrote:
| lmao
| miika wrote:
| Check this CNN clip from 1985
|
| https://youtu.be/fq17HUxkTZ8
| sschueller wrote:
| Could it be a stingray (cell interception device) running at
| power levels way beyond legal limits to make sure it's heard over
| regular LTE/5G towers?
| ceedan wrote:
| Seems like a good theory based on the locations and victims
| snypher wrote:
| Maybe someone turned it from 10db to 20db, it's only twice as
| strong right?
| WrtCdEvrydy wrote:
| Logarithmic scale... 3db = 2x... 10 to 20b is ~8x (2^3) the
| amount.
| meepmorp wrote:
| I think that was the joke.
| joshuaheard wrote:
| I though the symptoms in Cuba were determined to be caused by a
| mosquito pesticide.
| itronitron wrote:
| https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/10/191003111753.h...
| draw_down wrote:
| I wonder how many people who call this "Havana syndrome" were
| among those who got bent out of shape about the "China virus"
| thing last year.
| mc32 wrote:
| What if it's a measures + countermeasures that's adding up to
| weird syndromes in some edge cases?
|
| It's curious that so far it has only been reported to affect
| American personnel, but you'd imagine an adversary would have
| many adversarial targets from and in different counties, unless
| we suspect we are specially targeted and then mostly low level
| personnel?
| earth_walker wrote:
| Canadian diplomats in Cuba were exposed previously:
|
| https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-tuesday-e...
| HumblyTossed wrote:
| Wouldn't counter measures just need to be passive (ie:
| literally a tin-foil hat)?
| unnouinceput wrote:
| Faraday cage, yes, if dealing with electromagnetic
| waves/radiation
| Natsu wrote:
| Honestly, it makes me wonder if some spy gear of our own is
| malfunctioning somehow and they can't admit it so they spin up
| conspiracies.
|
| I mean, where's the device? The last time they came out with
| evidence, it was a recording of _crickets_ ...
| nabla9 wrote:
| This sounds like yet another Yellow Rain
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_rain
| sudosysgen wrote:
| I had never heard of Yellow Rain before. That's very
| interesting.
| Forbo wrote:
| The US accusing their enemies of doing something that they
| themselves had actually been doing. Golden.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange
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