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Use the WiFi Chip on RaspberryPi/Broadcom as Software-Defined Radio
(SDR)
Author : punnerud
Score : 126 points
Date : 2021-05-15 07:56 UTC (15 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (github.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (github.com)
| peterburkimsher wrote:
| It's an SDR transmitter, not receiver.
|
| Pity that the bands are still limited to 2.4 and 5 GHz WiFi.
|
| For GPS [1] or cellular [2] spoofing, osmo-fl2k may be a better
| option. In practice though, I've only used my MAIWO KCB003 for
| that once, as a demo. It's quite inconvenient to set up the
| flowgraph on an Ubuntu VM, generate 20 GB of samples, and then
| stream it from my Mac. Better software would make this much
| easier to use.
|
| I use a MAIWO KCB003, for portability. It's not very good as a
| USB-VGA adaptor though, because it needs custom drivers to be
| installed. When the guest speaker needs to plug their laptop into
| a projector, they don't have time to install drivers.
|
| [1] https://hackernoon.com/osmo-fl2k-a-15-dtv-transmitter-fm-
| rad...
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| [2] https://hackaday.com/2018/04/23/spoofing-cell-networks-
| with-...
| franga2000 wrote:
| The fl2k is awesome and I really wish much more would've
| developed around it. I guess anyone who knows enough about DSP
| likely already has a better radio, especially when things like
| the HackRF exist.
| causality0 wrote:
| Is there some secret to getting a Pi at MSRP or is it just
| another victim of the semiconductor shortage? I can't find a Pi
| Zero W for under $20 or a Pi 4 for under $50.
| gkhartman wrote:
| I've heard that Microcenter is a good option. They seem to be
| the best bet right now for things like GPUs if you go on the
| right day (with a bit of luck).
| kingosticks wrote:
| Stock and prices are fine here in the UK right now.
| II2II wrote:
| Check out the dealers on the Raspberry Pi website. A few of the
| dealers have them in stock and they appear to be close to MSRP.
| (I'm waiting on a 4 GB unit that was about US$56, compared to
| US$55 MSRP. The 2 GB units at US$35 are listed as well.)
| anonymousDan wrote:
| Is it possible to get a workeable sdr that can send and receive
| for $100-200 these days? If so what frequency bands would it
| support?
| drno123 wrote:
| Publish or perish license - if you use the code in your research,
| you MUST cite their paper.
| zenexer wrote:
| It's a pretty interesting license.
|
| > The Software is not used by, in cooperation with, or on
| behalf of any armed forces, intelligence agencies,
| reconnaissance agencies, defense agencies, offense agencies or
| any supplier, contractor, or research associated.
| Siira wrote:
| It's not FOSS.
| generalizations wrote:
| Honestly? This is _hacker_ news. If it does what I need, I
| 'll use it.
| Muromec wrote:
| It's a nice message, but it's not like any of entities listed
| above would just pass by and not use such a thing.
| inetknght wrote:
| > _This projects demonstrates our discovery that turns Broadcom
| 's 802.11ac Wi-Fi chips into software-defined radios that
| transmit arbitrary signals in the Wi-Fi bands._
|
| But... what about receive?
| bitwize wrote:
| This is why Broadcom chips come with proprietary blobs: the FCC
| and corresponding regulatory bodies elsewhere would never approve
| them if they had open source firmware or were fully documented.
| vineyardmike wrote:
| Source? This seems unlikely considering the existence of legal
| SDR.
|
| Also proprietary blobs seem like a whole separate thing that
| companies would do to protect IP.
| generalizations wrote:
| Can confirm. Look at the FCC regulations for selling rf-
| emitting devices. The seller has to show that the device will
| only emit at the specified frequencies and power. When it's
| consumer-facing, like a wifi router, one way to do that when
| the hardware itself is technically capable of more, is to
| lock down the firmware.
|
| The downvotes on gp are misinformed.
| monocasa wrote:
| These chips and their closed blobs are older than the
| relevant FCC regulation.
| grishka wrote:
| I've seen this same argument about cellular modems too, and
| that, too, has never prevented people from reverse engineering
| them.
| Semaphor wrote:
| Originally posted around release 2018 (60 comments):
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16589703
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