[HN Gopher] Multics Public Access
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Multics Public Access
Author : nix23
Score : 85 points
Date : 2021-05-12 10:46 UTC (12 hours ago)
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| shakna wrote:
| Aaand it's already down.
|
| > ?Connection closed by peer.
|
| Though the no ports available message from telnet is fun:
|
| > DAVE...STOP. STOP, WILL YOU... STOP, DAVE...
|
| > WILL YOU STOP, DAVE...
|
| > STOP, DAVE...
| mixmastamyk wrote:
| _I'm afraid I can't do that Dave..._
| the_only_law wrote:
| Wow they have an actual X.25 network with a public PAD. I kinda
| want to try an complete my X.25 stack now.
| nix23 wrote:
| YES and cross-connected to HECnet:
|
| http://mim.update.uu.se/nodedb
| kuratkull wrote:
| The tarpit feature is not appreciated - it showed "Scanning
| host..." and then the visual challenge (on the level of an AoC
| task) timed out immediately and started slow-sending me data. Fun
| to code I'm sure, not so fun to be on the receiving end. Oh, and
| it also seems to have banned me after that one try.
| JasonFruit wrote:
| I've never gotten to mess around with Multics before. It has a
| personality, and feels like something I could get work done with
| once I was used to it.
| nix23 wrote:
| Yeah it's much more approachable then let's say MVS 3.8j
| Tur(n)key 4
| cptnapalm wrote:
| Happen to know a good "getting started" site or book for MVS?
| I rescued a small S/390 from a metal scrap dealer and, if the
| Gods of lost software smile on me, would like one day to have
| it up and running again.
| nix23 wrote:
| Sure:
|
| -Moshix YT channel is pretty nice:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR1ajTWGiUtiAv8X-hpBY7w
|
| -And here some documentation and the MVS distribution:
|
| http://wotho.ethz.ch/tk4-/
|
| -AND the fantastic bit-savers...enough reading material for
| a lifetime
|
| https://bitsavers.computerhistory.org/pdf/ibm/370/
|
| https://bitsavers.computerhistory.org/pdf/ibm/390/
|
| I wish you lots of fun, and thanks for saving some history
| ;)
| bilegeek wrote:
| To piggyback on your comment, Moshix also runs an HNET
| relay network with MVS nodes.
|
| Node name list: http://moshix.dynu.net/
|
| Web interface: http://relayserver.dynu.net/
|
| About page: https://relayserver.dynu.net/about
| hulitu wrote:
| Were there any graphics terminals for MULTICS ?
| nix23 wrote:
| A "Video" System
|
| https://multics-wiki.swenson.org/index.php/Using_Multics#Com...
| gumby wrote:
| I only ever used video terminals -- i.e. ASCII terminals that
| may have interpreted the ANSI position in commands. There was a
| also SUPDUP server for Multics. The only program I used that
| did cursor positioning was emacs.
|
| "Graphics terminals", in the sense of bitmap displays, weren't
| common throughout most of Multics's life. The first one I ever
| used was the Alto.
| larsbrinkhoff wrote:
| Support for ARDS graphics seems common on 60s era MIT
| operating systems.
| bilegeek wrote:
| Though keep in mind that Multics was more for the
| business[1] side of things, despite being developed at MIT.
| ITS was a hacker's OS, it was going to have more cool
| stuff.
|
| [1]https://multicians.org/site-timeline.html
|
| Btw, great fan of your work at
| https://github.com/PDP-10/its. Keep up the good work in
| keeping computer history alive!
| larsbrinkhoff wrote:
| Thanks!
| jolmg wrote:
| Anyone know how to exit the TECO text editor? The `EX` command I
| found on a manual[1] doesn't seem to be working:
| teco ZEX$$ BAD E Z-1EX$$ BAD E
| Z-1EX $$ BAD E Z
|
| [1] http://www.copters.com/teco.html#RTFToC159
|
| EDIT: Got it :P Z2+3$$ Z1/0$$
| Error: Attempt to divide by zero at teco$|2051
| (>system_library_tools>bound_teco_) system handler for
| error returns to command level r
| Guest.Guest:>process_dir_dir>!BNLFBlpbBBBBBB 11:44 05/12/21
| 0.193 5 level 2,13
|
| Guess I have to read more to understand why it's putting me in a
| math expression evaluation (?) `Z` prompt (which I haven't found
| mentioned in a manual) rather than the `*` command prompt.
|
| EDIT 2: Seems `eq` is the proper way to exit on this TECO:
| Zeq$$ r Guest.Guest:>process_dir_dir>!BNLFBlpbBBBBBB 11:56
| 05/12/21 0.034 3 level 2,13
|
| I don't see that mentioned in other manuals online. I guess this
| TECO is different from others?
| larsbrinkhoff wrote:
| Aren't they all? ITS TECO has yet some other way to exit.
| [deleted]
| nix23 wrote:
| Connect with:
|
| ssh multics@connect.ban.ai
|
| And enjoy the impressive Steam library :)
|
| wizard optut castle a3 maze craps backgammon banner wumpus
| bound_strek strek blkjak cookie bound_dungeon dungeon adventure
| cdungeon
| hulitu wrote:
| Any info about which HW it is running on ?
| nix23 wrote:
| Probably with the dps8m emulator:
|
| https://gitlab.com/dps8m
|
| https://gitlab.com/dps8m/dps8m
|
| You can download multics frome here:
|
| https://multicians.org/multics.html
| nickdothutton wrote:
| The future was taken away from what it might have been.
| larsbrinkhoff wrote:
| There's this idea that Multics failed. Maybe because of the
| role it plays in Unix' origin myth. But it had a long and
| productive life.
| smackeyacky wrote:
| Not only that, but influenced the development of operating
| systems like GCOS (which predated it as GECOS), which is
| still being used.
| valyagolev wrote:
| the domain is very promising (ban ai!) but I can't figure out why
| it's used for this
| tablespoon wrote:
| How are they hosting this? Emulation? Or do the have a mainframe
| running in someone's garage?
| bilegeek wrote:
| They are using the SimH DPS8M emulator. Here's a good page
| about how to set it up yourself:
|
| https://multicians.org/simulator.html
|
| Unfortunately, while I'm aware of at least one preserved
| Honeywell DPS-8/70M at the Computer History Museum, I'm unaware
| of any running examples.
| larsbrinkhoff wrote:
| I think this will be the year of 36-bit on the desktop.
| nix23 wrote:
| Since Linux missed the Desktop and went strait to Mobile, there
| is a real chance for Multics now ;)
| DonHopkins wrote:
| The NSA ran a Multics system on a DPS 8/70(M) called
| "Dockmaster", which now resides at the Computer History Museum,
| thanks to Eugene Miya:
|
| https://multicians.org/site-dockmaster.html
|
| >The DOCKMASTER IMP was hit by lightning in July 1986 and was
| down for many weeks.
|
| http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/honeywell-DPS8.html
|
| http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/vs-honeywell-dps-8.jpg
|
| Somebody broke into Dockmaster in October 1986!
|
| https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1988/12/03/c...
|
| >Pat Coulson, an NSA spokeswoman, confirmed the 1986 security
| breach of Dockmaster, which she said was discovered six days
| after the "first known misuse" of a password and compromised
| information used by an unnamed corporation.
|
| Cliff Stoll wrote about Dockmaster in The Cuckoo's Egg:
|
| http://bayrampasamakina.com/tr/pdf_stoll_4_1.pdf
|
| >Mr. Big fidgeted a bit, meaning that the meeting was about to
| break up. Greg asked one more question: "What machines has he
| attacked?"
|
| >"Ours, of course, and the Army base in Anniston. He's tried to
| get into White Sands Missile Range, and some Navy shipyard in
| Maryland. I think it's called Dockmaster."
|
| >"Shit!" Greg and Teejay simultaneously exclaimed. Mr. Big looked
| at them quizzically. Greg said, "How do you know he hit
| Dockmaster?"
|
| >"About the same time he screwed up our accounting, this
| Dockmaster place sent us a message saying that someone had tried
| to break in there." I didn't know what the big deal was.
|
| >"Did he succeed?"
|
| >"I don't think so. What is this Dockmaster place, anyway? Aren't
| they some Navy shipyard?"
|
| >They whispered among themselves, and Mr. Big nodded. Greg
| explained, "Dockmaster isn't a Navy shipyard. It's run by the
| National Security Agency."
|
| >A hacker breaking into NSA? Bizarre. This guy wanted to get into
| the CIA, the NSA, Army missile bases, and the North American Air
| Defense headquarters.
|
| >I knew a little about the NSA. They're the secret electronics
| spooks that listen in on foreign radio broadcasts. They launch
| satellites to listen to Soviet telephone calls. I'd heard (and
| didn't believe) rumors that they record every overseas phone call
| and telegram.
|
| Here's some discussion about Dockmaster, which was on MILNET IMP
| 57, and the rumored "explosive bolts" on the ARPA/MILNET
| gateways:
|
| https://inbox.vuxu.org/tuhs/0906195E-E904-4D29-8F59-DEFC63B3...
| DCA must have the ability to partition the ARPANET and MILNET in
| case of an "emergency", and having non-DCA controlled paths
| between the nets prevents that. There was talk some
| time ago about putting explosive bolts in the
| mailbridges that would be triggered by destruct
| packets... That idea didn't get far though...
| [...] Milo '1822' Medin
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