[HN Gopher] Why should I put my website to sleep?
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Why should I put my website to sleep?
Author : tobr
Score : 51 points
Date : 2021-05-10 20:04 UTC (2 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.nightnight.xn--q9jyb4c)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.nightnight.xn--q9jyb4c)
| simonblack wrote:
| Bedtime? Where in the world is it bedtime at this moment?
|
| This policy is only workable if your country uses a little-used
| language and takes up only a single timezone.
|
| Dumb idea. Unnecessary complexity in a website.
| solox3 wrote:
| The script uses the device time.
| dheera wrote:
| That doesn't work well for me because I use UTC as my device
| time regardless of where I am in the world.
|
| IP geolocation isn't a good idea either because I often
| access pages through a VPN in another timezone.
|
| In short, nice thought but no thanks.
| sneak wrote:
| The page mentions it uses the local clock/time zone in the
| browser viewing the page.
| jorgesborges wrote:
| Aside from being instructed to sleep, which is a little juvenile,
| there's something charming about the idea of a website being
| "closed" for the day. It has the feel of a living, dynamic thing.
| Definitely not suitable for all types of websites but it's a neat
| idea for personal a page. I don't think I'd ever use a third-
| party to implement something like this either.
|
| I like the clean margins and typography there.
| uyt wrote:
| A lot of government websites are Monday to Friday only. I like
| to joke that they don't even have one 9 of availability.
|
| (e.g., https://www.irs.gov/payments/view-your-tax-account see
| the "Hours of availability" section)
| viraptor wrote:
| You scared me with the Mon-Fri, but actually irs is mon
| (morning)--sat (night) and sun (morning)--mon (unless
| maintenance happens). Which sounds fairly reasonable.
| jetpackjoe wrote:
| B&H is a Jewish electronics store here in NY. From sundown
| Friday until sundown Saturday you can't place any orders on
| their site, (though you can still window shop).
|
| https://www.bhphotovideo.com
| simon1573 wrote:
| Up until recently the Swedish tax office only permitted you to
| login during extended office hours.
| 542458 wrote:
| The B&H photo video website won't accept orders or payments
| during Shabbat and most Jewish holidays (except for
| Hanukkah).
| Baeocystin wrote:
| I really, really dislike the 'for your own good' impetus that
| seems to be a common current design trend.
|
| We're already dealing with information-density loss and the
| Fisher-Pricification of the GUI, and maybe this is the next step
| in overwrought 'we know what you want to do better than you'.
|
| I have no ire for the creator of this. But respect boundaries,
| people. You are not your user's parents.
| bowmessage wrote:
| It's early... Nothing we can offer you is more important than
| your health. Eat well, run some laps, and we will catch you in
| the afternoon. This site will be usable after 100 push ups.
| dheera wrote:
| Exactly.
|
| This page which uses device time doesn't work well for me
| because I use UTC as my device time regardless of where I am in
| the world.
|
| IP geolocation isn't a good idea either because I often access
| pages through a VPN in another timezone.
|
| In short, nice thought but no thanks.
|
| Also, great way to get your page downranked if a search engine
| comes prowling around your website at night.
| enneff wrote:
| You're probably one of about 100 people in the world who set
| their device time to UTC. I don't think it's reasonable for
| any designer to cater for this use case.
| easton wrote:
| Every time I set up a server I set it to UTC, since who
| knows where I'm accessing it from anyhow. Maybe OP thinks
| similarly of their PC?
| zestyping wrote:
| I wonder how many people actually do this. I also set my
| laptop and wristwatch time to UTC.
| enneff wrote:
| Honestly, I'll take designers thinking about the well-being of
| their users, even if it comes across as condescending. The
| common alternative is to wring as much attention out of the
| user as possible, pushing their buttons so they keep using the
| app until every last drop of dopamine has been exploited.
| alphachloride wrote:
| Interesting how a non-latin Top Level Domain renders in the
| address bar(.minna) vs how the author writes it in the <script>
| tag in his article (.xn--q9jyb4c).
| tW4r wrote:
| You can even have emojis in your domain using the same
| technique https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punycode
| deergomoo wrote:
| It's pretty condescending to be told to go to sleep by a website.
| It's 22:44.
| itisit wrote:
| Seriously. Many of us access sites when we can, not necessarily
| when we want. I know there's a bypass feature, but being
| greeted by this kind of nannying reminder can come across as
| annoying, at the least, to a certain nocturnal group of folks
| (ex. hospital staff, parents of newborns, security guards,
| etc.).
| geoah wrote:
| I don't think this is meant for such sites but I can def see
| a benefit for social, news, or other "addictive" sites that
| might be detrimental to people's mental health.
|
| IOS, Android, and at least Macos have the ability to help
| users restrict the time they spend on an application, but
| doing so on the web is not as simple. In chrome I'm using
| "Intention" which is a nice extension that does something
| similar but for only the sites I've added to a list.
|
| As long as the site has a way to allow me to still browse the
| site or even give me 15m more or something and then fade to
| black again I'd welcome this from many sites.
| itisit wrote:
| And I'd equally welcome the browser extension that bypasses
| this sort of thing. :)
|
| It's good in theory, but thankfully lacks the contextual
| information it would need to be appropriately enabled for a
| given user's sleep schedule.
| jokocide wrote:
| This is dumb. If any site does this to me I'll immediately move
| to a competitor or just stop using it entirely.
| edoceo wrote:
| This isn't a new trick. Some US Gov sites have hours of
| operation. From memory the IRS has one, and recently I noticed
| one of the gov sites for LA had "hours" for some parts, so I
| could only do forms when they were open.
| chrismorgan wrote:
| A remark for JavaScript developers: for injecting its content
| into the body, this script creates a dummy div (it has no
| attributes and is targeted by no styles), sets its innerHTML,
| then appends it to the body. That dummy div is actually
| unnecessary: Element.insertAdjacentHTML lets you achieve the same
| effect without it:
| document.body.insertAdjacentHTML('beforeend', '<div
| class="nightnight">...</div>');
|
| Browser support is universal. (Firefox was last to the game,
| getting it in Firefox 8, 91/2 years ago. IE introduced it, in
| version 4.)
|
| I have more remarks I could make, but I'll leave it at that one.
| It's the most interesting.
| neckardt wrote:
| Unfortunately I use Firefox with privacy.resistFingerprinting set
| to true. This disables leaking time zone information, so when
| javascript tries to query the time of day it gets a time 7 hours
| ahead of my actual time zone.
|
| In other words, this function would break websites for me, the
| demo thinks it's night even though I haven't even had dinner yet.
| hexane360 wrote:
| I love resistFingerprinting, but I really wish it had a
| whitelist for certain data on certain sites. Maybe I want my
| calendar app to know what time zone I'm in!
| throwawayfb996 wrote:
| I think the demo always thinks it's night though, by design,
| because that's the demo.
| paxys wrote:
| Trying to define or prescribe a standard sleep schedule for
| everyone is pointless. There are people sleeping 9pm-5am and
| others 2am-10am, sometimes in the same household. Some people
| sleep fewer hours at night and take naps during the day. No
| single habit is "correct".
|
| Semi-related - I have had so many frustrating experiences with
| government websites which only operate during business hours.
| [deleted]
| ShakataGaNai wrote:
| No. Just no.
|
| Don't make assumptions about your users. Maybe it's important to
| them. Maybe they have insomnia. Maybe they are staying up late.
| Maybe they work early/late in concert with someone elsewhere in
| the world. Maybe they're sleep schedule is different from yours
|
| Or maybe they just work the night shift.
| sodality2 wrote:
| There is a "I'll sleep later, I really need to use this site
| right now -" button, by the way.
| lainga wrote:
| Compare to HN's sentiment the last time this was posted!
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11777562
| new299 wrote:
| I'm a bit confused by the name, what's the Japan connection?
|
| The developer seems to be called Masamichi Souzou (Zheng Dao
| Xiang Xiang ) but doesn't seem to have any connection to Japan?
| Is there something I've missed? Just seems odd to me.
| krisroadruck wrote:
| Culture fetishization.
| tkiolp4 wrote:
| I thought that the webserver would be actually in sleep mode,
| like a laptop. That would be interesting though.
| busymom0 wrote:
| That won't work as visitors from many other time zones still
| need to see it.
| rozab wrote:
| Apparently the DVLA got this memo. They've disabled all their web
| forms outside of working hours.
| chapium wrote:
| This should be opt-in.
| Breefield wrote:
| No!
| dimva wrote:
| If anyone is motivated to do this for some weird reason, please
| self-host the code instead of exposing your users to potential
| hacking.
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