[HN Gopher] Why do we buy into the 'cult' of overwork?
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Why do we buy into the 'cult' of overwork?
Author : pseudolus
Score : 45 points
Date : 2021-05-09 21:28 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| fungiblecog wrote:
| Well I don't so I guess that "we" isn't counting me at least
| imheretolearn wrote:
| Nobody who is somebody became someone through work-life balance -
| Anonymous
| philmcp wrote:
| I agree with this for those trying to create their own
| business.
|
| I disagree for most salaried positions though - soft skills,
| politics and luck play a huge role
| philmcp wrote:
| During lockdown I was feeling pretty burnt out myself which got
| me thinking: why are basically all jobs 9-5, 5 days per week? Why
| is there no variation on this model?
|
| It annoyed me so much that I decided to create
| https://4dayweek.io/ - Software Engineering jobs with a better
| work / life balance
| nceasy wrote:
| man I just heard about your site few days ago and find it dope.
| I hope it to have some more data scientist/ML jobs any time
| soon!
| Tabular-Iceberg wrote:
| How much do these ultra successful types actually over-work and
| how much is just posturing to trick the underlings to over-work?
|
| In American Psycho Patrick Bateman has it pretty chill, spending
| all his working hours on watching TV, reading magazines and
| talking trash with his peers. I used to think it was just another
| example of how unhinged he was, but maybe it's a comment on some
| kind of double standard on workload vs. compensation in the
| corporate life.
| brutal_chaos_ wrote:
| That is a great take on it! My take was the higher up you go,
| the more meaningless the work is. As in paper pusher vs
| innovator. Though I imagine near to and at C level it may be
| different.
| aritmo wrote:
| It's just posturing. The same people who complain all the time,
| for sympathy.
| pmoriarty wrote:
| _" The roots of this phenomenon can be traced back to the
| 'Protestant work ethic' in the 16th Century - a worldview held by
| white Protestants in Europe that made hard work and the quest for
| profit seem virtuous. Sally Maitlis, professor of organisational
| behaviour and leadership at the University of Oxford, says that
| "later, the drive for efficiency that arose out of the Industrial
| Revolution", as well as the way we prize productivity, have
| "further embedded the value of consistent hard work, often at the
| cost of personal wellbeing"._
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| The roots of the valorization of work may well have been
| religious, and maybe Christian (though I very much doubt it's
| exclusively Christian in its origin), but it's definitely spread
| throughout much of the world, even among the non-religious and
| even atheist population.
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| I can't count the number of times I've heard people praise others
| as "hard working"... in all sorts of contexts, in many different
| parts of the world, native or immigrant, hard work is praised to
| the heavens and one of the best things you can say about a person
| is that they're hard working.
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| I almost never hear the value of working hard being questioned,
| except when the subject turns to burnout. Then everybody nods
| sagely and agrees that overwork is bad.. the next day they go
| back to praising hard workers.
| Barrin92 wrote:
| The article paints a picture of this as a universal but it's not
| really true I think. From my experience, in the German
| _Mittelstand_ , overwork is not seen as a positive. There are a
| lot of very productive firms, and there's a huge focus on working
| 9-5, doing your work well, not being distracted, and then going
| home and having a life. Staying at work till midnight would be
| seen as not managing time correctly, neglecting family, being
| overworked, not in good shape, making mistakes and so on.
|
| I don't even think it's necessarily that popular in American
| culture any more after the sort of financial excesses of the late
| aughts. The stereotypical banker who is coked up and accidentally
| destroys the economy isn't really as cool anymore as he was in
| the 80s
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