[HN Gopher] San Francisco All-Female Hacker House Aims to Suppor...
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San Francisco All-Female Hacker House Aims to Support Women
Builders
Author : RuffleGordon
Score : 23 points
Date : 2021-05-09 17:41 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| vmception wrote:
| Are non-inclusive safe spaces legal?
|
| It seems that in residences that it would be sanctionable to deny
| housing based on assigned sex or gender identity, and in
| education it would be sanctionable to have admissions based on
| that as well.
|
| I was curious about this with Hackbright too, but I wasn't
| interested in this cause enough to see what legal counsel thought
| of it (it was the closest coding academy to me at one point). The
| California regulator ended up slapping them with other
| violations, and the sanctions seem fairly toothless.
|
| I don't really think the various Civil Rights Acts support the
| bay area's rebranding of separate but equal.
| javagram wrote:
| https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp/f...
|
| " The Fair Housing Act covers most housing. In very limited
| circumstances, the Act exempts owner-occupied buildings with no
| more than four units, single-family houses sold or rented by
| the owner without the use of an agent, and housing operated by
| religious organizations and private clubs that limit occupancy
| to members."
|
| So, they may be able to get by legally under the private
| club/member exemption.
| vmception wrote:
| Thanks! The California version can be stricter too with fair
| housing and employment being under one agency
|
| Education under another though
| Barrin92 wrote:
| >I don't really think the various Civil Rights Acts support the
| bay area's rebranding of separate but equal.
|
| that is an incredible bad faith characterization. In informal
| 'frat house' style settings that don't have many rules women
| often face incredible amounts of harassment because mostly men
| don't respect boundaries. It's why there is such a
| stereotypical bro-culture in SV, it's enabled by the laissez-
| faire attitude.
|
| In settings with rules and where people expect professionalism
| it doesn't tend to be as much of an issue, but in some house
| where people even mix drinking and work it tends to go bad
| really quick.
| vmception wrote:
| It's supposed to be provocative to potentially stoke
| introspection.
|
| I understand the rationale behind "safe spaces", that wasn't
| my question.
| Barrin92 wrote:
| well it's not provocative, it's just stupid. The whole "oh
| safe spaces? See you're the real racist!" thing you can
| find in the youtube comment section of Ben Shapiro videos.
| You're not making some genius point here, you're just not
| familiar with the kind of experiences women face in these
| environments or lack the social intelligence to imagine it,
| like 95% of the HN audience.
| vmception wrote:
| your words and I'm not familiar with those influencers
|
| Is the way they are addressing it compatible with
| existing laws? Do you see how easy that is for me to have
| zero emotion on this, your turn. Think of it as a
| standardized test question, you have to answer those
| based on accuracy.
| Barrin92 wrote:
| >Is the way they are addressing it compatible with
| existing laws?
|
| Obviously. Private, gender separated clubs exist
| everywhere in the United States. Ever been to a sports
| club or a fraternity? Civil rights legislation addresses
| employment and 'spaces of public accommodation'. You're
| obviously JAQing off because you know this
| klyrs wrote:
| I'm still waiting to see a lawsuit forcing strip clubs to hire
| equal proportions of male and female dancers
| vmception wrote:
| In California they only recently got reclassified as
| employees and the club as employer, so you were waiting for
| that first and now you might be able to get the challenge you
| desired.
| dlgeek wrote:
| I think the residence non-discrimination requirements don't
| apply if it's a shared space, only if it's a multi-family
| dwelling over a certain number of units.
| vmception wrote:
| Ah possibly, thats how employment works too, some anti-
| discrimination statutes coming into play after a certain
| number of employees.
| MyHypatia wrote:
| Yes, non-inclusive spaces are legal. There are still golf clubs
| in the US that don't allow women. Just last week the top golf
| club in the US voted to allow women for the first time in its
| 108 year history. If these male-only spaces are legal I don't
| see how these female-only spaces would be illegal.
| https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/31...
| vmception wrote:
| Just because something hasn't been challenged doesn't mean it
| is legal and the ongoing existence of a counterpoint is not a
| strong argument regarding legal review.
|
| And the more obvious difference to me is that your example is
| not providing housing and is not providing education.
|
| There are really two questions here, the first being is it
| legal, and the second being is this what we want whether it
| is currently legal or currently illegal? If the answer to the
| second question is "yes" then carry on. To me it currently
| seems incompatible, and I am still trying to understand what
| the current consensus is. I don't have strong opinions on it,
| or much of anything, which is why I gravitate towards the
| legal field because - like lawyers - I can compartmentalize
| anything. So I am aiming to also understand the consensus on
| what people desire and if "safe spaces" are the most
| productive approach to getting there.
| mensetmanusman wrote:
| People have the freedom to hang out with who they want?
| vmception wrote:
| With some limitations on housing, education, and
| employment.
|
| The question is whether those limitations apply here.
| MyHypatia wrote:
| Ok, some other examples include:
|
| -Seminaries and monasteries that only house and educate
| men.
|
| -Women's colleges that only house and educate women.
|
| -Homeless and domestic violence shelters that only house
| men or women.
|
| -All-boys and all-girls schools that only educate boys or
| girls.
|
| I don't have a strong opinion on whether this is "good" or
| "bad". I'm just pointing out that there are many examples
| though out the United States. So your statement that "the
| bay area is rebranding separate but equal" just doesn't
| make any sense when this is common in various forms
| throughout the entire United States.
| ublaze wrote:
| What are some well known companies that came from founders living
| in hacker houses?
| maneesh wrote:
| Pied Piper
| cbm-vic-20 wrote:
| l0pht Heavy Industries / @stake
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L0pht
| Animats wrote:
| Nice. SF also has Double Union, an all-female hacker space.
|
| Although it's late in the cycle to be starting a hacker house.
| meristohm wrote:
| Good luck to The Garden! I'm curious what creations will take
| root there.
| [deleted]
| FlagBrigade wrote:
| I would say so. Post went from front page down to last
| position.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/news?p=17
|
| More abuse of the flagging system
| [deleted]
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