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EFF Questions Methodology Behind Dartmouth Cheating Allegations
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Author : jasonhansel
Score : 71 points
Date : 2021-05-09 13:49 UTC (9 hours ago)
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| troelsSteegin wrote:
| For more, the NYTimes:
| https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/09/technology/dartmouth-geis...
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| "Almost immediately, questions emerged over whether the committee
| had mistaken automated activity on Canvas for human activity,
| based on a limited subset of exam data.
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| Geisel students said they often had dozens of course pages open
| on Canvas, which they rarely logged out of. Those pages can
| automatically generate activity data even when no one is looking
| at them, according to The Times's analysis and technology
| experts."
| an_opabinia wrote:
| What a horror show.
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| Were the MCATs used for admission sufficiently reliable? Most
| people think so, and since future test scores are most strongly
| predicted by prior test scores, medicine is trending away from
| ranking (ie non instructive) exams once you're "in." Net
| increase in pass fail medical programs. Step 1 just became pass
| fail. Things like ABSITE becoming optional (ie diagnostic or
| instructional). Inbound students are so high quality despite
| there being so much more of them that maybe the testing really
| is counterintuitively too intense.
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| Even if it were true that the students cheated, it isn't
| material anymore, it maybe never has been, _after you've been
| admitted_.
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| Could it work differently? I feel like your average medical
| dropout (no offense, essentially the average programmer on
| Hacker News) probably cheated more in school than an admitted
| medical student does. Remote leetcode has exacerbated that.
|
| On the other hand, a 23 year old who has made it just past the
| 1st year into their BigCo job probably faces more soul crushing
| false positive bureaucracy like watching your every digital
| move than a 23 year old 1 year into a top ranked medical
| program. The EFF would get much more mileage out of advocacy
| about 360deg reviews, PIPs, stack rank, meetings about
| meetings, "mental health days," etc. than this fortunately
| isolated and rapidly ameliorating incident.
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| Because if there's one thing big tech people are actually
| really bad at, it's reducing soul crushing bureaucracy.
| dogman144 wrote:
| I don't really understand. What point are you trying to make?
| pgn674 wrote:
| EFF's blog post on it:
| https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/04/proctoring-tools-and-d...
| dogman144 wrote:
| It's exciting that the EFF is getting a new sense of relevancy
| due to digitization of all the things through 2020.
|
| They seem to be in a strong place to launch clear counterpoints
| to admin teams who signed up for whatever tech without really
| understanding it but are now trying to make admin findings with
| the tech.
| tailspin2019 wrote:
| I've been increasingly impressed with a lot of their activities
| in recent months.
|
| A few weeks ago I donated for the first time and became a
| member.
|
| https://supporters.eff.org/donate/30for30--D
| gumby wrote:
| No complaints about previous directors but the organization
| has really taken off since Cindy Cohn became the executive
| director.
| tailspin2019 wrote:
| I wasn't aware of Cindy Cohn - thanks for educating me.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_Cohn
| lupire wrote:
| Utter stupidity.
|
| Download the files before the exam and use them to cheat --OK.
| Browse to the class site during the test -- cheating.
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