[HN Gopher] Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll
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Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll
Author : jbegley
Score : 224 points
Date : 2021-04-28 19:07 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| rangoon626 wrote:
| Cuomo needs to be tried for what he did.
| atat7024 wrote:
| Anything specifically?
| throwaway292893 wrote:
| 15,000 counts of manslaughter, plus obstruction of justice
| for the cover up.
| MattGaiser wrote:
| Search #nuremburg2021 on Twitter. There is fairly robust
| group of people who consider reactions to covid 19 crimes
| against humanity and they are seeking trials against everyone
| involved.
|
| I personally know one of these people.
| mynameishere wrote:
| Well, they tried to get rid of him with the "sex scandal" stuff
| and that didn't work. He was betting that the prestige press
| wouldn't bring up the nursing home deaths--since other governors
| have the same problem lurking--but he forced them to. They
| really, really don't want him in 2024. So goes the conspiracy
| thinking anyway.
| 1cvmask wrote:
| Perhaps this is explained by Hanlon's razor:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
| ggamecrazy wrote:
| In retrospect I would have done the same: Force the nursing
| homes to accept their residents back if the residents have no
| other options.
|
| However, I would have throw in much more aid to the ones that
| were forced. Cash + PPE + National Guard. If I couldn't
| provide help, then I wouldn't force. That would mean that it
| would be up to the hospitals to figure it out and find a home
| for them or until they were covid-free.
|
| Obviously I'm playing backseat Covid response governor here.
| Hindsight is 20/20.
| hajile wrote:
| If you have to send residents back, you _must_ create COVID
| and non-COVID facilities to ensure isolation. You also
| shouldn 't send infected persons there just because you
| can.
| busterarm wrote:
| Maybe the initial decision, but not the deliberate coverup
| that occurred immediately after it and since then.
| throwaway292893 wrote:
| The nursing home scandal was known long before. The sex scandal
| seemed to be used to cover that up. His top aide, Melissa
| DeRosa, has admitted to covering up the nursing home deaths.
| People have come out saying he was intimidating them. He is
| under Federal investigation. What part of it is a conspiracy
| theory?
|
| https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cuomo-top-aide-reportedly-...
|
| https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cuomo-nursing-home-deaths-total...
|
| He knowingly sent people with covid into nursing homes against
| the will of the people running them, even though that's how the
| first major outbreak happened in Washington state. He then
| covered it all up by trying to attribute the deaths to
| hospitals. Then stonewalled the Feds asking for information
| about those deaths. His aide admitted to it. He should be in
| jail. He killed at least 15,000 people as a direct result of
| his orders.
|
| I just hope they investigate the other 5 governors that sent
| the people with covid back into nursing homes.
|
| https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/five-governors-cuomo...
|
| They should have all known. This is how it all started, it
| seems deliberate. Cover-up or not, they are all either
| dangerously incompetent or malicious.
| dkarl wrote:
| > The nursing home scandal was known long before. The sex
| scandal seemed to be used to cover that up.
|
| The opposite, I thought -- he seemed to be weathering the
| nursing home scandal, and now the sex scandal seems to be
| taking him down. Before his sexual behavior was publicized,
| people were joking/not joking that Andrew Cuomo was the
| poster child for our (Democrats') inability to hold anyone
| accountable for anything as long as they seemed woke and
| likable and said all the right things on cultural issues.
| Then his sexual behavior hit the news, and it was like, wow,
| is there anything metoo can't do? At least now Democrats
| nationally want him gone, though it's always harder to get a
| popular politician's own constituents to turn against him.
| kbelder wrote:
| While I despise Cuomo, I'm a little leary about condemning
| politicians about their actions back in the early days of the
| pandemic. Taking action is sometimes necessary even with
| incomplete or bad information, and it will sometimes turn out
| to have been the wrong decision. That's inevitable. It would
| often be worse to have an executive that is paralyzed in fear
| of making a decision that turns out to be wrong.
|
| Now, the post-facto coverup, that doesn't deserve any benefit
| of the doubt. That's just sleaze and corruption.
| japostoles wrote:
| It was always a bad decision, and we questioned it in
| realtime.
|
| Also, after the death toll rolled in they deleted the
| executive order from the New York State website despite it
| still being in effect.
|
| There was a cover up from the moment the order was issued,
| I'm not sure how this action was taken in good faith.
| specialp wrote:
| I am a New Yorker that had a relative die of COVID in a
| nursing home last year. I could understand the decision at
| first because they were literally constructing hospitals on
| athletic fields at my local university to deal with the
| packed hospitals. But own up to it and don't cover it up.
|
| Regardless of your political persuasion what Cuomo did is
| wrong by covering it up. We can't have 2 standards for
| politicians based on if it is someone on your team.
| nyczomg wrote:
| Not just sleaze and corruption. This administration was
| hiding data about a pandemic when we desperately needed
| more information about how to fight the pandemic. That is
| despicable and indefensible.
|
| I can forgive bad decisions in a time of crisis. But what
| they did was way beyond that.
| babesh wrote:
| Threatening to take medical licenses away for administering
| vaccines to people who weren't eligible even if the vaccine
| was going to be thrown away.... and then doing a 180 and
| threatening to take away medical licenses if vaccines were
| not administered.
|
| Writing a book about his supposed epic handling of the
| virus.
|
| Still in office.
| lainga wrote:
| And he won an Emmy for it!
| throwaway292893 wrote:
| The early days of the pandemic the first outbreak was in a
| nursing home in Washington.
|
| That was when we were still counting the first hundred and
| contact tracing.
|
| The people running the homes dissented against it. He still
| did it.
|
| It doesn't take a genius to know you will infect elderly
| people by sending a highly contagious disease into their
| facility.
|
| The cover up is beyond despicable, but the original action
| is indefensible.
| ggamecrazy wrote:
| Where could those people going back to nursing home go?
| I'm assuming that if another facility or their family
| could have taken them they would have opted for that.
| Reminder that likely these people needed 24/7 skilled
| nursing help.
| throwaway292893 wrote:
| 45 other states found ways to safely handle this
| scenario.
|
| Either properly supply your nursing homes with PPE or
| bring the nursing home staff to the hospitals.
| heavyset_go wrote:
| > _Either properly supply your nursing homes with PPE or
| bring the nursing home staff to the hospitals._
|
| The PPE that was acutely in short supply and unavailable
| at the beginning of the pandemic? Even doctors and nurses
| didn't have adequate PPE back then, and many of them got
| sick and died because of it.
| throwaway292893 wrote:
| > and many of them got sick and died because of it.
|
| Source of people dying due to lack of PPE?
|
| As I understand it, there was always a low supply, not no
| supply.
|
| Other states managed to supply their nursing homes just
| fine.
|
| Seems like rationalization. Cuomo never came out and said
| this was caused by lack of PPE.
|
| Unless you have a source that they weren't able to equip
| their nursing homes due to supply issues you are
| assuming.
| plussed_reader wrote:
| And if there aren't enough bodies to meet that
| requirement, then what?
| mattmanser wrote:
| UK did exactly the same thing.
|
| Everyone was panicking that the epidemic would grow
| exponentially and the hospitals would get over-run. Hence
| freeing up beds, and building a bunch of eventually
| pointless overflow hospitals.
|
| A lot of modelling was claiming that's exactly what would
| happen, e.g. Imperial College London claiming millions of
| deaths, while the actual infection curves never hit those
| numbers.
|
| In hindsight, that's not how the virus works, it seems to
| infect clusters and then drops and eventually levels out,
| jumps to a new clusters does the same thing, and on.
| WalterGR wrote:
| > Imperial College London claiming millions of deaths,
| while the actual infection curves never hit those
| numbers.
|
| _Because we took action to avoid that._
|
| I truly don't understand why people keep repeating such
| dezinformatsiya.
| timr wrote:
| The Imperial College report included projections _if all
| recommended NPIs were implemented_. That includes
| lockdowns, masks, social distancing, and so on.
|
| Those projections were still wildly off the mark. There
| is no way to look at their projections and take them
| seriously as modelers. They were simply wrong. They made
| bad parameter assumptions, didn't question their results
| or cross-validate, and ran with the scariest projections
| of their models.
| [deleted]
| ggamecrazy wrote:
| > He knowingly sent people with covid into nursing homes
| against the will of the people running them...
|
| Don't mean to be aggressive but where else would you like for
| the people whose domicile is in the nursing home to go? These
| are not people in independent living facilities, they likely
| need 24/7 skilled care. Allowing the people to go back to the
| nursing home (aka their home) seemed like the right thing to
| do at the time. It unfortunately didn't play out so well and
| I am glad I wasn't the one making that decision.
|
| I think it was a tough decision. The nursing homes could have
| contained the spread but clearly were incapable of doing so.
|
| > Then stonewalled the Feds asking for information about
| those deaths.
|
| No excuse for that, just lay it all out. The stonewalling was
| intentional and possibly illegal, he should answer for that.
| throwaway292893 wrote:
| There was a hospital ship he could have used, it only had
| 179 patients over 3 weeks. There were hospitals made that
| never reached full capacity. Hell, setup a tent. You're
| saying the only option was to infect and kill 15,000
| people?
| jmisavage wrote:
| The hospital ships weren't for covid patients, but for
| others who couldn't get a bed due to the hospitals being
| over capacity. The military specifically was testing
| everyone coming to make sure they didn't have covid
| because it can spread way faster in the confines of a
| ship.
| throwaway292893 wrote:
| The point is those ships were under capacity the whole
| time.
|
| Send more non-covid patients to them, keep elderly
| patients in the hospitals. New York never reached full
| capacity overall.
|
| If you MUST send covid patients to nursing homes, make
| sure they are prepared with PPE.
|
| Other states did so, Cuomo and the 5 other governors
| should have known to do so. We already had outbreaks in a
| nursing home that everyone was aware of.
| fcbrooklyn wrote:
| That was true initially, but they changed tack about a
| week later. The ship reduced capacity from 1000 beds to
| 500 specifically so that they could accomodate covid
| patients, because there weren't enough other patients to
| matter. In addition, the Javits center field hospital
| never reached more than about 5% of its available
| capacity. Meanwhile the nursing home down the street from
| me was begging the city to let them send their covid
| positive residents to to the ship, or to the javits, were
| told that those were only for hospital overflow, and they
| should keep the residents in place. more than 60 of them
| died, the highest death toll of any nursing home in the
| state.
| ggamecrazy wrote:
| Hospitals did in fact need the beds (nursing home beds
| >>> hospital beds). Additionally they are ill-equipped
| for the skilled help these people needed. People suffer
| from dementia/alzheimers and hospitals only option is to
| handcuff people to their beds (which is inhumane long-
| term).
|
| I don't want to play politics and I do think more could
| have been done here). Like: quickly granting nursing
| homes aid in terms of PPE + cash + national guard help.
| I'm just trying to change your mind that the situation
| was much more nuanced that the NYTimes is advocating for.
| encryptluks2 wrote:
| Like Newsom who gave the biggest non-apology I've seen about
| getting caught violating his own COVID-19 stay-at-home
| orders, and then said the recall against him was being
| orchestrated by white supremacist antisemites (nazis) which
| is over 1.5 million people in his own state... I'm sure Cuomo
| will find something similar to say.
| clairity wrote:
| i'm ready to impeach newsom, but polling seems to suggests
| it's unlikely. i'd happily sign a petition to impeach LA
| mayor garcetti as well, if any were organized to do so. the
| pandemic response here was beyond stupidly awful--a
| combination of what-if based fearmongering and a frenzy of
| unadulterated free (i.e., debt-fueled) federal money-
| grubbing.
|
| the whole colored tier system was a farcical distraction
| from real mitigations like _quarantining nursing homes and
| their staff_ who 'd volunteer for 24-hour hero pay and
| 2-week on-off cycles (long enough to recuperate and re-
| quarantine), and asking people to distance indoors around
| familiars, which is where most transmission happens, rather
| than around strangers or out on the street where your silly
| mask-wearing does less than nothing. 90% of angelenos, by
| my anecdotal count, still wear masks outdoors, as if it
| were a talisman against impending death.
|
| despite unceasing media howling, our infection rates held
| relatively steady for a year, until recently, when
| vaccinations finally started to have a real effect on those
| rates. none of that (double-)mask-wearing, excessive hand-
| sanitizing, overly restrictive retail-closing, and
| incessant surface-disinfecting propounded by the
| state/county/city did anything to mitigate spread, only
| modest distancing indoors and restricted interfamilial
| contact had much mitigative effect (and the latter could
| have been handled much less invasively and damagingly).
|
| i'm decidedly unamused by the stupidity of it all and ready
| for new leadership of any stripe other than democrat or
| republican.
| melling wrote:
| I'm under the impression that people were supposed to be
| allowed to return to their nursing homes, from where they
| left.
|
| After they left the hospital they needed somewhere to go.
| Otherwise, they would be homeless.
|
| If nursing homes couldn't safely take recovering patients
| back then people were in danger before these people left for
| the hospital.
|
| I also imagine there were COVID patients in the homes who
| didn't need to go to a hospital
| thehappypm wrote:
| Because when it's your guy getting attacked, it's a
| conspiracy. When it's the other guy, it's righteous.
| atat7024 wrote:
| Nobody will ever be prosecuted for this, and that's less
| people taking what politicians see as limited funds.
| mrandish wrote:
| > They should have all known.
|
| Before Washington state we had the clear data from the
| elderly homes in Bergamo Italy where they made the exact same
| mistake over a month earlier with catastrophic results.
| Before that we knew from the Wuhan data that CV19 is a highly
| asymmetric threat and it was critical to protect elderly and
| immuno-compromised.
|
| The history is still to be written but the U.S. policy choice
| to go with broad lockdowns of everyone instead of the
| "focused protection" plan may go down as the worst public
| health error of modern times. Since they were hit hard and
| first, Hubei Province and Northern Italy at least have the
| excuse of no priors. By the time NY got hit any serious
| analyst knew and many were recommending circling the wagons
| around the vulnerable.
|
| I have no idea if fault lies with Cuomo personally or someone
| he delegated this to, but _someone_ in NY seriously fucked
| up. Hell, in Bergamo prosecutors filed charges against some
| city /regional administrators for negligent manslaughter (or
| similar).
| pyronik19 wrote:
| Who did it right? Ron DeSantis did. He did the focused
| protection.
| mrandish wrote:
| Yes, Florida focused their resources on protecting their
| elderly population and didn't implement broad lockdowns
| of people who weren't sick or at-risk. Their per-capita
| results are better than NY, CA and many other states.
|
| Sweden also deserves credit for getting the public health
| policy right. They had the right plan but have admitted
| they could have done better in some of the early
| execution phase around protecting elder facilities. 7
| mhh__ wrote:
| Who is "they"?
| comodore_ wrote:
| the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but
| somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still
| weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about
| nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report
| finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-
| term care facility residents.
|
| Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and
| inspiring leader by his own brother, a CNN mouth piece, that got
| state funded special treatment when he had covid. Now CNN simply
| refuses to report on it.
|
| The media landscape is beyond broken in this country.
| russianbandit wrote:
| Was Trump right about CNN...?
| merpnderp wrote:
| Don't forget Cuomo making the rounds in April telling people to
| ignore Trump's scare mongering, that it was perfectly safe to
| take the subways and catch a show on broadway.
| kasey_junk wrote:
| NPR covered the AG finding quite a bit
|
| https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/0...
|
| As did The NY Times:
|
| https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/nyregion/nursing-home-dea...
| [deleted]
| Tycho wrote:
| Have you noticed the Dem-media-academia bloc seem to lionise
| some of the shiftiest people when they should really know
| better
|
| - Avenatti
|
| - Cuomo
|
| - Lincoln Project
|
| Not too confident about Fauci and Schiff.
| skybrian wrote:
| I remember reading quite a bit about Cuomo's mistakes last
| summer in liberal media, but apparently it didn't change the
| dominant narrative. Here's one article:
|
| Democrats gave a hero's welcome to New York Governor Andrew
| Cuomo despite his mistake-filled early response to the
| coronavirus pandemic. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar
| chive/2020/08/cuomo-n...
| nyczomg wrote:
| They gave him a fucking Emmy in November:
|
| https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/1...
|
| And he published a fucking book in October:
| https://www.amazon.com/American-Crisis-Leadership-COVID-19-P...
|
| Broken doesn't even begin to describe it....
| comodore_ wrote:
| yes, unreal.
|
| Also all this took place when he received a multi million
| dollar advance for his book "American Crisis: Leadership
| Lessons from the COVID-19 Pandemic", and remember this crazy
| thing https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/arts/design/cuomo-
| covid-p... how is any of this real?!?!
| [deleted]
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| I assume anyone left watching 24 hour news channels is not
| very adept at critical thinking.
| hpcjoe wrote:
| Yeah ... I hear otherwise intelligent friends (folks with
| PhDs, MDs, etc.) effectively parroting crap you would
| hear on their favorite news channel. You can tell what
| they watch by listening to what they say.
|
| I think the "smarter" one is, the more gullible they are.
| As someone with a PhD, I try very hard not to be gullible
| ... I can't say I always succeed. But I am highly
| skeptical of everything I hear/read. That skepticism
| helps.
| hpcjoe wrote:
| I don't see anyone talking about taking that emmy back. Or
| canceling him.
|
| He has like 7 credible assault victims accusing him. And the
| "media" protects him.
|
| Riddle me that. His ass should have been out on the sidewalk
| a long time ago.
|
| The "media" is complicit.
| nimish wrote:
| This was known in March-April, when he rammed through a bill to
| give himself emergency powers and one that indemnified nursing
| home operators -- his donor base.
| SllX wrote:
| Before the summer actually, not August.
|
| A large swath of the media was busy at the time trying to put
| Cuomo on a pedestal as a kind of counter-Trump.
| [deleted]
| TMWNN wrote:
| >the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but
| somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested.
|
| Because it would have diminished the relentless message
| emanating from almost everywhere that Trump, and Trump alone,
| was singlehandedly responsible for every single COVID19 death
| in the US.
| hpcjoe wrote:
| > The media landscape is beyond broken in this country.
|
| It has been for a while. Most of the major "news" media
| organizations are anything but news. That people actually
| believe what they hear, and then _act_ upon this ... often ...
| misinformation ... is horrifying. That they have ardent
| supporters who insist that X really is news while Y is not ...
| well ... no.
|
| If you want news in the US about the US, listen to BBC America.
| It is the least biased, narrative embracing, propaganda
| pushing, site around. There may be others that are workable as
| news sites. But none from the US.
| imglorp wrote:
| We used to pay trained, trusted experts to conduct interviews
| and discover primary sources; their organization would have
| independent fact checkers to improve veracity; and the
| product of their findings was delivered daily to your home.
|
| Corporate media hates that system.
| ewmiller wrote:
| It's probably true that media companies tend to report more
| objectively on the affairs of other countries, because the
| country they're based in will exert more political influence
| over them.
|
| The BBC is incredibly biased in terms of British affairs, or
| so I've heard, but it stands to reason that they'd be more
| willing to be objective about what's going on in America.
| temp8964 wrote:
| Also, sexual harassment accusations...
| adolph wrote:
| > The media landscape is beyond broken in this country
|
| Your lack of cynicism is admirable. An alternative hypothesis
| is that it is working as designed; the treatment of the NY
| governor is a feature not a bug.
| exabrial wrote:
| Don't worry, media was complicit too.... because you know, orange
| man bad because reasons.
| LatteLazy wrote:
| How do NYs numbers compare to states other states, notably the
| southern ones that resisted lockdowns?
| rossdavidh wrote:
| Well, NY's numbers don't look good compared to any state except
| New Jersey's. I think it's probably fair to say that they had a
| harder job than, say, Vermont or Maine, though, given their
| population density. Latitude and urban density seem to be
| better predictors of covid-19 mortality than anything related
| to human actions (except vaccination rates).
| heavyset_go wrote:
| Notably, at the very beginning of the pandemic before
| lockdowns, COVID ravaged nursing and long-term care homes in
| the PNW and then in the northeast.
| foo_barrio wrote:
| At the very beginning it was winter in the Northeast and
| treatment protocols were being development. Is it fair to
| even compare the virus that came into NY during Jan to a
| state where it came after 6 months of study, data and summer
| weather?
| Teknoman117 wrote:
| Yup.
|
| My grandfather, along with many of the other patients, died
| in one of these places from COVID in Massachusetts last May.
|
| He was in a physical rehab following heart surgery to fix
| damage from a botched pacemaker installation. The family
| spent most of January -> March getting the equipment and
| reworking his house so he could be cared for at home, but he
| caught COVID before it was ready. He was in critical
| condition for 2 months until he finally passed. The real kick
| in the gut that he was considered "COVID free" for the last
| two weeks but the damage to his lungs was too great.
|
| My grandmother was able to be with him when he died, holding
| his hand in a hazmat suit...
| AnimalMuppet wrote:
| I'm so sorry for you and your family.
|
| I don't think I've ever read an HN post that made me cry
| like that.
| chasd00 wrote:
| I don't know what data backs this site but you can start here
| and do some comparisons
|
| http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/
| verdverm wrote:
| Deaths per capita:
| https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi...
|
| Cases per capita:
| https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covi...
|
| Attribution to lockdown or not is insufficient to determine
| these numbers. Mask adherence, population size, and climate are
| also important.
|
| Top 10 deaths per capita are dominated by New England and
| Southern states
| lixtra wrote:
| You should also take into account the age structure of the
| states. The median of Florida is 5 years higher than
| California's.
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_terr.
| ..
| verdverm wrote:
| and yet the differ very little in their outcomes (156 v 162
| in D/C) as compared to NY at 267
| rallison wrote:
| New York ends up being a problematic comparison point, because
| they were at zero restrictions until mid March 2020, so most of
| the infections through near the end of March were effectively a
| "no restrictions" test case. I.e. people testing positive late
| March were the highly symptomatic cases (because of limited
| test availability), so these were generally people infected 10+
| days before, which means they were before any restrictions.
| Restrictions on mass gatherings happened on March 12th, but the
| stay-at-home order didn't happen until March 22nd.
|
| What I'm getting at is that, if you want to use New York as a
| test comparison for loose vs tight restrictions, you're going
| to have a much deeper analysis to do, and a large portion of
| the deaths in New York were effectively resulting from a period
| when there were zero to minimal restrictions.
| chrismcb wrote:
| How is this problematic? I thought California was the first
| to lockdown and the stay at home order was issued on the
| 19th.
| rallison wrote:
| I'm not sure what California has to do with the point I was
| making?
|
| Anyway, it's problematic because around half of the total
| recorded deaths for New York state, for the entire pandemic
| up to now, likely resulted from infections that happened
| during the no/minimal restrictions period in March of 2020.
| Presumably the original poster wanted a "strong
| restrictions" vs "light restrictions" comparison w.r.t. to
| deaths. And that's fine; it's just that New York is going
| to give you a poor starting point for that comparison
| unless you dive deeper.
| floxy wrote:
| https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi...
| Fellshard wrote:
| At this point, do a little introspection. Did you hear about this
| last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Is
| there any way you can grow in your consumption of information
| based on your findings?
| hpcjoe wrote:
| When people scoff at the source, like when people sniff "but
| that's on faux news", the report is unlikely to be accepted at
| face value. This is a major problem, in that real information
| surfaces on both "political sides" (they aren't really both
| sides, but that's a discussion for another day) and people
| discount items that conflict with the particular narrative they
| believe in.
|
| You can see that here. In the downvotes.
| throwaway292893 wrote:
| We heard about it from the New York AG. The coverup was
| confirmed by his top aide, Melissa DeRosa.
| brown9-2 wrote:
| It's not "Cuomo's AG", in NY the attorney general is elected
| by voters.
| throwaway292893 wrote:
| Correct, updated. Main point still stands.
| Fellshard wrote:
| I'm quite intentionally trying to frame my post in a neutral
| way to avoid partisan assumptions/squabbles.
| throwaway292893 wrote:
| The people I named are Democrats, I don't see this as a
| partisan thing. It's a humanity thing. I'm simply answering
| your questions of who blew the whistle and how we found out
| about it.
| Fellshard wrote:
| Introspection. I'm asking each individual to evaluate
| their own information intake valve. There are objective
| sources, the question is how and when we accept or
| dismiss them.
| jjoonathan wrote:
| Right back atcha -- because while there are plenty of
| covid screwups to go around, someone who thinks this one
| got suppressed probably has an information diet that
| disproportionately focused attention on this screw up in
| order to shift attention away from their own screw up,
| which was orders of magnitude larger.
| octopoc wrote:
| FTA:
|
| > The effort by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo's office to obscure
| the pandemic death toll in New York nursing homes was far
| greater than previously known, with aides repeatedly
| overruling state health officials over a span of at least
| five months, according to interviews and newly unearthed
| documents.
|
| Sounds like this one got suppressed according to the
| article.
|
| > someone who thinks this one got suppressed probably has
| an information diet that disproportionately focused
| attention on this screw up in order to shift attention
| away from their own screw up, which was orders of
| magnitude larger.
|
| This is whataboutism. The article is about Cuomo's bad
| response to COVID regarding nursing homes.
| jjoonathan wrote:
| > Sounds like this one got suppressed
|
| With regard to obscuring the death toll, I agree, and
| Cuomo needs to be dealt with.
|
| With regard to prioritizing this story against it's
| competitor, however, I think my information diet got the
| mix about right, which is to say in proportion to impact.
|
| > This is whataboutism.
|
| If we were just talking about Cuomo, sure -- but you
| brought up information diets and suppression, which
| absolutely brings into scope the nonstop 24/7 Republican
| efforts to use the Cuomo story as whataboutism.
| danans wrote:
| > Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find
| it credible? Why or why not?
|
| Your questions above propose the idea of bias in the
| information delivery and reception, which inherently maps
| to political partisanship. What other sort of bias could
| your questions possibly evoke?
|
| Cuomo was exposed and has been condemned largely by
| officials within his own party, and also broadly by the
| media, whether left, right, or center.
| commandlinefan wrote:
| I think what OP is getting at is that it's suspicious
| that this became a "mainstream" news story _this year_
| when it was known last year.
| throwaway0a5e wrote:
| Nobody cared what the body count was until the body count
| turned into a house seat.
|
| The really sick thing as that this sudden influx of give-
| a-shits is sending the message that "the party will back
| you if you kill people so long as you don't lose a house
| seat in the process" which is not a great message to be
| sending.
| macinjosh wrote:
| > Cuomo was exposed and has been condemned largely by
| officials within his own party, and also broadly by the
| media, whether left, right, or center.
|
| Correct, but for the nursing home residents and their
| families that too little too late. I first read about
| this last summer as the nursing home rules began to take
| effect. At the time the party and media were too busy
| holding Cuomo up as an anti-Trumpian figure. They gave
| him an Emmy and cute nicknames while this happened. It is
| all just a little too much for me.
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| qqqwerty wrote:
| Same question can be asked about the undercounts in Florida?
|
| [1] https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/03/florida-
| covid-19-dea...
| mmcgaha wrote:
| NPR has been talking about this since January or so. Not
| exactly a right wing propaganda outlet.
|
| Howie Carr was talking about it around the same period as NPR.
| For folks outside of New England, he is a right wing radio host
| but he puts a spin on actual news rather than just making up
| garbage.
|
| What credible source was talking about this before January?
| _-david-_ wrote:
| >What credible source was talking about this before January?
|
| It is probably easier to ask which major news sources were
| not talking about this prior to January.
|
| You can easily find articles posted prior to January from The
| Association Press, Fox News, CNN, Daily Wire, NY Post, Daily
| Mail, Daily Caller, Washington Times, The Federalist, USA
| Today, etc. Many of those sites had articles back in May.
| mmcgaha wrote:
| You are confusing two related but different stories. Back
| then the talk was about the fact that he sent patients back
| into nursing homes.
|
| It was only later that we discovered that he actively
| fudged the numbers by not counting nursing home patients
| that died in hospitals.
| _-david-_ wrote:
| I am not confusing them. There were absolutely articles
| last year about this (though maybe not as far back as May
| for this specifically).
|
| Here is an article from the Washington Post back in
| August 2020
|
| > New York's coronavirus death toll in nursing homes,
| already among the highest in the nation, could actually
| be a significant undercount. Unlike every other state
| with major outbreaks, New York only counts residents who
| died on nursing home property and not those who were
| transported to hospitals and died there.
|
| > That statistic could add thousands to the state's
| official care home death toll of just over 6,600. But so
| far the administration of Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo
| has refused to divulge the number, leading to speculation
| the state is manipulating the figures to make it appear
| it is doing better than other states and to make a tragic
| situation less dire.
|
| https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/new-yorks-true-
| nursing...
| chitowneats wrote:
| Right wing media was talking about this last summer. It seems
| the propaganda was in fact coming from those in the Cuomo
| administration trying to deflect blame.
|
| I don't remember exactly where I heard it first, but I
| googled and found this US News & World Report story about it
| from July 14, 2020:
|
| https://www.usnews.com/news/health-
| news/articles/2020-07-14/...
| belltaco wrote:
| Right wing media has been saying the Covid is just a flu
| and there was nothing to worry about, and in fact it's the
| best time to take a flight.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o
|
| One has to be crazy to believe anything from the right wing
| media after things like that which are just a tip of the
| iceberg of lies they regularly spread. They did it to
| themselves.
| hpcjoe wrote:
| Thinking back to who recommended people ignore the
| presidents concerns[2] at the time and go mingle in
| public[1].
|
| I know it doesn't jive with the narrative. Neither of
| these two could be even remotely construed to be "right
| wing".
|
| [1] https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/nancy-pelosi-
| visits-sa...
|
| [2] https://www.npr.org/sections/health-
| shots/2020/01/31/8016865...
| chitowneats wrote:
| This attitude of yours is why you were on the wrong side
| of a very important news story during an election year.
| cheaprentalyeti wrote:
| Yes, I heard about it in the first quarter of last year. I
| heard about it on news sites on the web. I found it credible.
|
| This whole reportage stinks of "We Have Always Been At War With
| Eastasia" to me at the moment.
| MattGaiser wrote:
| I saw it on Politifact in May/June I believe as he initially
| blamed the Trump administration and that was found to be false.
| Mathnerd314 wrote:
| Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for
| _deletio..., it only became a notable scandal mid-February.
|
| As far as information consumption goes, though, I think if
| anything I've consumed too much. I don't live in NY and the
| stuff happening there has no relevance to me.
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