[HN Gopher] iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, ne...
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iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy
controls, and more
Author : jmsflknr
Score : 260 points
Date : 2021-04-26 17:05 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| mrgreenfur wrote:
| Lots of comments here on the watch unlock, while the new privacy
| controls are requiring apps to ask for IDFA before it's given
| (and before you'retracked across apps with any identifiers). The
| MarTech industry is panicking to adapt and become compliant and
| there are estimates that it will drop ad targeting by ~75%. I see
| this as a huge win for privacy, if Apple actually enforces it
| (They have given no guidance on how this will happen).
| clairity wrote:
| also, a little poke in the eye of google: apple is proxying
| google's safe browsing lookups through its own servers so
| google gets less direct info about ios users.
| justapassenger wrote:
| Protect yourself against one giant tech corporation, by
| sending all your data through other giant tech corporation.
|
| Apple is really great at marketing.
| lethologica wrote:
| Better the devil you know. For now, I know that this devil
| doesn't sell my information to hundreds of other devils.
| justapassenger wrote:
| It's because they couldn't figure out how to get better
| ROI from data processing than they get from positioning
| themselves as tron, fighting for the user.
|
| Once they figure it out, their story will change very
| quickly. It's naive to think that sending data to other
| huge company is proper solution.
| [deleted]
| RangerScience wrote:
| Yuuuup. It's unclear to me if this is collateral damage, but
| it's also wreaking havoc in directly measuring the impact of
| your own ads (ex: see and ad for an app, install the app, make
| a purchase in the app - folks want to be able to tell if that
| purchase is attributable to that ad).
| Closi wrote:
| > Folks want to be able to tell if that purchase is
| attributable to that ad
|
| Well, marketers and advertisers want to be able to tell if
| the purchase is attributable.
|
| Everyday folks typically either don't care or would actively
| prefer not to be tracked in this way.
| tomjen3 wrote:
| I don't know if I should be happy that Apple fixed that, or mad
| that they introduced the IDFA in the first place.
| drak0n1c wrote:
| IDFA was initially introduced to discourage tracking via
| hardware such as serial numbers. Everything is an evolution.
| drewg123 wrote:
| That's a step in the right direction, but I sorely miss the
| Android "trusted bluetooth device" that would keep your phone
| unlocked.
|
| I have really poor timing, and upgraded from a Google Pixel 2 to
| an iPhone with face id (and no touch id)just before the pandemic.
| Now I have to type my passcode to unlock whenever I'm wearing a
| mask because I have a Garmin watch and won't consider downgrading
| to an Apple watch. The Garmin watch kept my Pixel unlocked for me
| since it was a trusted bluetooth device.
| pcl wrote:
| Anecdotally, in the last few weeks, FaceID just started working
| for me with a couple of the types of masks I've been wearing. I
| wonder if they have made some tweaks to their recognition
| algorithms / are doing any sort of additional training on the
| fly.
|
| I don't have an Apple Watch, and am running 14.4.2.
| Operyl wrote:
| Every time you attempt authentication, and it doesn't
| recognize you're wearing a mask in particular, it'll
| "retrain" the model when you authenticate with your passcode.
| If it was only a little bit off, eventually you'd retrain
| enough to get there with a mask. They mention this in their
| Security doc if I recall correctly.
| dannyphantom wrote:
| I thought that AI could identify someone even if they were
| wearing a mask and our iPhone's were being silly. I've seen a
| few videos of Chinese grocery shoppers paying with their face
| with a mask on.
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| I don't have any links to back it up or anything, but my
| impression is that Face ID continually trains itself as you
| use it to help keep up with facial changes over time. At the
| very least I know it takes the data from failed attempts
| immediately followed by passcode unlock and uses it for
| training.
|
| Depending on how either is implemented I could see it getting
| "used" to a masked face with enough samples. The question for
| me is if this makes it more susceptible to false positives,
| e.g. unlocking for people other than the owner wearing a
| mask.
| kiwijamo wrote:
| Interesting I wonder how it deals with the case of e.g.
| someone giving their phone to another person (e.g. spouse)
| who then uses the passcode. I guess they could try and work
| out if it is a variation of the same person or if it is
| someone else entirely.
| krrrh wrote:
| I know a lot of people love their Garmin watches. Even though I
| have an Apple Watch I considered also getting a Garmin just for
| tracking outdoor workouts.
|
| Other than battery life, the excellent app WorkoutOutDoors
| roughly replicates the workout functionality of Garmin watches
| for $10, but with arguably better maps. A feel like I need to
| mention it when there's an opportunity because the solo
| developer behind it is doing such great work.
|
| http://www.workoutdoors.net/
| fuzzy2 wrote:
| Very nice app indeed, its offline maps allow me to just leave
| the phone at home when riding my bike.
|
| Also some very useful features like backing up the on-watch
| settings, allowing you to restore them if you ever have to
| reset your Watch.
| drewg123 wrote:
| The battery life is the key issue for me. My watch goes over
| a week between charges, and Apple watches seem to generally
| last a day or less. I went through a series of watches before
| the Garmin, and they either died quickly (MS Band and LG) or
| their battery life dropped to Apple Watch levels (Polar M600)
| and I know from experience that they will die at just the
| wrong time for me.
|
| The Garmin I have is 3 years old and still going strong.
| shurikdima wrote:
| This. The battery in the Apple watch is abysmal. I
| understand that as a watch its "smarter" than the Garmin
| watches, but charging a watch everyday is a hard no for me.
| The Fenix 6x lasts for 2-3 weeks while training every day.
| I wish the Apple watch would prioritize its battery life.
| GordonS wrote:
| I have my Android phone linked to my Bluetooth headset, so my
| phone remains unlocked while I'm at my desk - I really like
| this feature.
|
| Another neat feature was/is "trusted location", where your
| phone would remain unlocked while at home, for example. I used
| to have this enabled, but unfortunately the option disappeared
| after an update on my Xiaomi phone a whole back :(
| kiwijamo wrote:
| Aha that explains why I can't find it on my Xiaomi. Was this
| an stock Android feature or something Xiaomi added in then
| took out?
| Tsiklon wrote:
| 5G on Dual Sim is a useful update, prior to this it was only
| possible to have 5G on one of the accounts (The hardware SIM, I
| think was the default not the eSIM)
| TechBro8615 wrote:
| Nice. When I bought my iPhone 12 Mini this was a feature I
| specifically wanted. I saw them mentioning it was a software
| issue only, so it's great to see they solved it and followed
| through.
| vmception wrote:
| They finally did it!?
|
| I had resigned to thinking they got screwed with bad hardware
| from qualcomm
| enos_feedler wrote:
| Apple has communicated this limitation since the beginning
| and said when it was coming.
| vmception wrote:
| > said when it was coming
|
| ehhhh there was a lot of uncertainty around that. they just
| said a future update and it wasn't on time.
|
| I had my doubts and other people had their doubts, dual sim
| modes have been neglected for some time and there are still
| several limitations in iOS that make it seem like its not
| much of a priority.
|
| until the last few incremental updates you can tell from
| Apple's own communications on their forums that they
| thought of Dual Sim as more of a temporary traveller's use
| case, with them popping in a local sim card in different
| countries here and there. As opposed to someone that
| doesn't want to bother with two phones (or a handicapped
| VoIP number that also wouldn't have an iCloud account) and
| just always has two numbers in the same country. They are
| catching on, but the skepticism is there and they are
| incrementally fixing it successfully.
| Hamuko wrote:
| Are people actually on 5G?
| janandonly wrote:
| Sure. Here in Holland 5G from t-mobile is super fast too. We
| get 300Mbit down and 60Mbit up, easily.... I should remark
| though, that I used to get 200Mbit down anyways on 4G, only
| the upload was a lot slower..
| martin_ wrote:
| Yes - I live in Austin on Verizon and it often shows 5G but
| is usually slower than my AT&T LTE was in San Francisco --
| however -- occasionally I get 5G Ultra Wideband and got
| 1915mbps down this weekend https://i.imgur.com/BuQF13Y.jpg
| ascagnel_ wrote:
| The phone will show 5G when you're a carrier w/ a 5G
| network in the area, even if the phone itself is on a 4G
| network. The phone will choose to stay on the 4G network if
| it's trying to stay in a lower-power mode (eg: fetching
| notifications & emails in the background), and will
| dynamically jump to 5G on an as-needed basis.
| jaywalk wrote:
| Can you point to any official documentation on this? From
| all of my testing, I have not found this to be the case.
| BBC-vs-neolibs wrote:
| I am, not sure how common that is. But only when downtown.
| Tsiklon wrote:
| In the part of London I live in there's 5G available when I
| walk to the local shops - my network is Three UK. My
| secondary sim is EE, they also have a 5G network too, but i'm
| not completely certain where it's present
| samrolken wrote:
| 5G on eSIM with Verizon worked great for me when it was all I
| had or it's the only one enabled. 5G wouldn't work at all on
| either line if both SIMs were in use.
| freeslave wrote:
| I'm pretty happy that I will finally be able to cast fitness plus
| workouts to a bigger screen.
| alfiedotwtf wrote:
| Anyone else sometimes put in their Apple Watch from the charger,
| and notice it's already unlocked? I.e they never needed to unlock
| it?
| danpalmer wrote:
| Sadly it also breaks a fairly common navigation flow in SwiftUI -
| having 2 navigation buttons on the same screen causes nav pushes
| to immediately pop back.
|
| This does however show an interesting trade-off of SwiftUI: by
| being a more abstract definition of a view hierarchy, they can
| change out implementations more easily than before to further
| optimise in each OS release.
|
| I'm hoping that they're essentially going down the route of
| rendering SwiftUI directly to Metal, their graphics API, as I'd
| expect that to be much faster and less energy intensive.
| lwansbrough wrote:
| Touch ID is an entirely superior technology and Apple is
| profoundly stupid for removing it. It doesn't have to be in the
| screen, just put it on the back. The lengths they'll go to offset
| the removal of Touch ID are astounding, from IR face tracking, to
| degraded biometric security, and now to requiring an Apple Watch
| to unlock the phone with your mask on. Talk about a Rube Goldberg
| machine.
| Dort wrote:
| Putting TouchID on the back would render it unusable for me due
| to my phone case.
| drngdds wrote:
| Cases can (and do, for other devices) have a hole in the back
| for the fingerprint scanner
| hkh28 wrote:
| Completely agree. The new iPad Air even got it integrated in
| the sleep button, so Apple has the ability to continue offering
| Touch ID on all devices and keep the full screen display.
| conception wrote:
| Both is fine with me. FaceID is great for any time you've got
| gloves on.
|
| I wish they had an external version of it, e.g. an apple
| keyboard with touchID or support for generic webcams for FaceID
| so it'd work when docked, etc.
| robertoandred wrote:
| Plain webcams don't have the 3d/infrared tech that FaceID
| uses.
| crazygringo wrote:
| The new iMac has it on its external wireless keyboard.
|
| So it's coming, just slowly.
|
| FaceID surely won't ever work with webcams however -- it uses
| a custom-built depth sensor separate from the camera.
| masklinn wrote:
| > FaceID surely won't ever work with webcams however -- it
| uses a custom-built depth sensor separate from the camera.
|
| iMacs could absolutely have the entire camera module, depth
| sensor included. Things would be rather more complicated
| for the laptops, the cover is thinner than an iPhone.
| Though obviously not as bad as the protruding back cameras,
| the front cameras module is still rather deep and would
| likely require increasing the depth of the cover to fit
| flush.
| TetOn wrote:
| Apple Watch is not required; it is a convenience option that
| can be used to unlock the phone if you are masked.
| esolyt wrote:
| Another reason to buy an Apple Watch. It works out perfectly
| for Apple.
| r00fus wrote:
| I used to think that way, then I was forced (through damaged
| previous device) to consider a FaceID phone and I'm sold now.
|
| Cooking with TouchID is an exercise in frustration.
|
| Ideally I'd like them to be able to combine auth mechanisms but
| we can't have everything.
| mirthflat83 wrote:
| Sorry, it's not. Face ID: Just pick up your phone and your
| phone automatically unlocks with your face. This experience is
| way superior than having to position your finger at a specific
| place every time you want to unlock it. Putting it on the back
| is even worse, you need to actually pick up your phone from the
| desk just to unlock it. I swear HN readers would create devices
| with the worst UX possible.
| microtherion wrote:
| I like Face ID with phones. For iPad, getting the angle right
| for the face to be recognized seems trickier, so overall the
| Touch ID experience was superior.
| neilalexander wrote:
| I've actually found the opposite to be true - my iPad Pro
| will Face ID happily in any orientation and quite far off
| centre, whereas my face has to be very much centred for my
| iPhone to do the same.
| cpuguy83 wrote:
| Probably you have the "requires attention" mode activated
| on your phone.
| neilalexander wrote:
| I have "Require Attention" enabled on both devices.
| apetrovic wrote:
| I have a dry skin and Touch ID works for me 50% if I'm lucky.
| [deleted]
| kiwijamo wrote:
| I have sweaty skin and my success rate is at least as bad as
| yours. I confess to be very surprised at the love for TouchID
| here. I've used both TouchID and FaceID and I find the
| success rate of the latter to be much better. Perhaps we, dry
| and sweaty skins, are edge cases and most people apparently
| have 'normal' skin?
| askonomm wrote:
| Also a sweaty skin person here and can confirm, never liked
| TouchID because of how little it worked for me and was very
| happy when FaceID came out.
| Grustaf wrote:
| After skateboarding my success rate is close to zero...
| xyst wrote:
| They integrated the "Waze-esque" feature into Apple Maps. Even
| Apple is getting their users to snitch on the PD. Siri is about
| to be the #1 public enemy of the traffic cops lol
| daemoens wrote:
| That feature is so helpful on google maps. I have to drive
| through a bunch of small counties every week and they all have
| so many cops on side of the road.
| heavyset_go wrote:
| Good. If municipalities want to raise revenue from my driving,
| then they should either raise taxes or implement tolls, not
| implement speed traps designed to trick people from out of
| town.
| elil17 wrote:
| Unpopular opinion: people should just not speed. Even
| speeding just a little bit at high speeds drastically
| increases your car's emissions and is also dangerous (~40%
| increase in chance of death in a head on collision at 60 mph
| vs 55 mph). I don't think giving people a tool that helps
| them break what is in my mind a good/just/important law is
| the right move on Apple's part
| alliao wrote:
| So I live in New Zealand, and there was a period where cops
| were going all out with their new gadgets, and pulling
| people over whenever people speed above 4km/hr above speed
| limit that's like under 2.5MPH for you yanks.
|
| I don't know how good you're at knowing how fast you're
| going. When the margin's that tight, you're going to either
| be very rich with a Tesla that's going below the speed. Or
| quite rich with a car like BMW that lets you set top speed.
| Or you're just going to go slow. like 10km/hr slower
| especially if you can't afford it.
|
| The knock on effect was ridiculous. The trip took longer,
| and the amount of road rage witnessed on a daily basis was
| quite visible, wasn't a happy period for sure.
| nojito wrote:
| Or you can just stop speeding
| heavyset_go wrote:
| I don't speed. Look up what a speed trap is. As an example,
| one that got me was a 50 MPH speed limit going down a
| mountain that twists and turns. The last dozen or so yards
| of the mountain, and around a turn, it suddenly becomes 40
| MPH with no warning or time to slow down. Cops camp out at
| the sign and pull over people with out of state plates who
| are slowing down from 50 MPH to 40 MPH all while going
| downhill.
| mcbutterbunz wrote:
| I really wish there was the option to disable the lock screen at
| home or on my home wifi.
|
| Or even disable the lock screen altogether but require it for
| certain apps.
| r0fl wrote:
| Someone who knows you could steal your phone, go near the front
| door of your house/apartment to be within wifi reach, login to
| your phone, unlock it and then wreck havoc on your life.
| robotnixon wrote:
| Android has had this feature for years and it still requires
| an initial unlock of the device to remain unlocked at the
| location you've picked. So when I get home I still have to
| manually unlock my phone once to keep it unlocked. As an
| extra safety measure the phone locks itself again after 4
| hours.
| oseph wrote:
| I _really_ hope Apple fixed the issue of wifi dropping out in iOS
| 14.5. It 's been randomly dropping ever since iOS 13 (only device
| in the house that does), and I've been dinged by my provider in
| overage fees a few times because of it...
| stackedinserter wrote:
| I had the same problem, it turned out that "Wi-Fi Assist" was
| enabled for some reason. After I disabled it it started working
| okay, at least I don't see "LTE" every time I pick the phone at
| home.
| rabuse wrote:
| When the hell is Apple going to finally allow push notifications
| for the web?
| tomjen3 wrote:
| Hopefully never. I website should not be able to do anything to
| my browser when i don't have it opened.
| rabuse wrote:
| Do you have apps installed with notifications?
| halostatue wrote:
| Hopefully never.
|
| I hard disable the permission to ask me for push notification
| permissions on every browser I can, because under no
| circumstances do I want a website to send me a push
| notification. Ever.
| kiwijamo wrote:
| Consider that users don't want notifications. I turn this off
| on other devices and I'm sure many others also do so.
| rabuse wrote:
| That's why there's two buttons labeled "Allow" and "Don't
| Allow".
| turblety wrote:
| You don't get notifications when you get a new Email or
| Social Message? You don't have Facebook/WhatsApp/Email?
|
| If not, then I applaud you. If you do, but keep notifications
| off, that's kinda respectable too.
|
| But I'm guessing you do get a notification when you get a new
| text message, chat message or email.
|
| Why should only native apps, that go through a dictatorship
| approval process from Apple, be allowed to send you
| notifications.
|
| Of course, you should always be able to say "No" to a site or
| app sending you notifications. This is the case on Android,
| as could be the case on Apple.
|
| Progress Web Apps are opening up the potential for developers
| to spend less time on the *worst* development platforms
| (xcode and android studio), and more time on their product.
|
| That being said, it would be cool if an app could not "force"
| notifications to be allowed. Like, you could choose "Allow",
| "Deny" or "Hide" which would trick the app into thinking you
| had allowed notifications, but then just not show them.
|
| It would stop bad advert behaviour. Although, on Android, I
| have never seen this be abused (yet).
| ta9999 wrote:
| Never, they make way to much money and have an incredible
| amount of power over developers by keeping it disabled.
|
| People just leave you out of group chats if you don't have an
| iPhone now because building a decent chat application for iOS
| is too fucking hard.
| adrr wrote:
| Never. They make too much money off the App Store.
| nindalf wrote:
| Happy about being able to unlock the phone with my watch. Arrived
| after a year of mask wearing, but better late than never.
| Impossible to say right now when we'll put our masks away, if
| ever.
| ASalazarMX wrote:
| I already have an Apple watch, and still resent that their
| solution for removing the fingerprint scanner is buying a new
| expensive accessory. Under-display fingerprint readers have
| existed for years, so it's not an aesthetics issue.
| fastball wrote:
| No it's a usability issue. Have you tried the under-display
| fingerprint readers?
| ASalazarMX wrote:
| I've only tried the Huawei P30 Pro years ago, and it worked
| fine. the only drawback is learning to find the spot where
| the sensor is, as you don't have the tactile feedback
| external readers provide.
|
| Fingerprint reader in the back of the phone is one of the
| most ergonomic designs IMO, there's no need for it to be
| under-screen, I suggested it because Apple favors
| minimalist design.
| turtlebits wrote:
| Under display fingerprint scanners suck. I have a Galaxy S20
| for work and it rarely works. I also have a A71 5G which is
| even worse.
|
| With winter dry skin (and/or light abrasion from woodworking
| projects), I can't even unlock the phones at all.
| tomjen3 wrote:
| My hands have turned into lizard skin from hand sanitizer
| (seriously, my knuckles have started to bleed from forming
| a fist) and I have no issues on my Oneplus pro 7.
| Andrew_nenakhov wrote:
| My Moto Z4 works just fine. Unde4 tge screen is by far the
| best and most comfortable fingerprint scanner position.
| da_big_ghey wrote:
| In obvious mask will have gone before this year is completed. I
| am not wearing in most place now that we are not having mandate
| and i am having had my shots. It is in similar for persons
| around me. "if ever" is silly.
| namdnay wrote:
| sad that i still can't unlock my macbook with my iphone
| (without resorting to dodgy third party hacks). That would be
| really useful when the macbook is docked
| hyperbovine wrote:
| I have an iPhone SE (which came with a fingerprint reader, as I
| assumed did all recent phones made by anyone), and I had no
| idea what all the hubbub was about until reading this comment
| thread. Another ridiculous own-goal by Apple. First MagSafe,
| now this.
| Exuma wrote:
| "woman with beard" emoji? This is just getting stupid.
| randomopining wrote:
| Please, it's womyn.
| howinteresting wrote:
| It is very definitely not that. "Womyn" was specifically
| created by trans-exclusionary feminists and using that term
| is a signal of affiliation with that crowd.
| [deleted]
| howinteresting wrote:
| How so? Please be as specific as you can.
|
| I know both cis [0] and trans women who have beards, and while
| it's definitely nonconforming to Western standards, it is
| merely part of the incredible diversity and variation in human
| biology.
|
| [0] Yes, cis women with beards exist. Many cis women feel
| dysphoric about any facial hair they may have, of course, but
| (just like with trans people) exceptions exist and not everyone
| is dysphoric about their endogenous sex characteristics.
| Exuma wrote:
| Because literally not _every single group on earth_ needs to
| be represented.
|
| It's an emoji pack... I don't need it for it to be
| exponentially more difficult to find ones I'm looking for
| because now we need every single permutation of race x facial
| hair x gender x skin color x marriage pair x favorite cereal.
| dagmx wrote:
| The iOS keyboard shows your recently used emojis and has a
| search bar. So it's easy to find what you want.
|
| Additionally many of the gender and skin tone ones are
| behind a selector so don't eat into the number of emojis on
| screen.
|
| The point of emoji is to represent real world culture and
| communication.
|
| I don't use a ton of the Emojis. I'm not complaining
| because exists.
| da_big_ghey wrote:
| we had a better idea when all emoji were existing as
| yellows only. we are having no need for to reference skin
| color in small pictogram. is seeming very like american
| thing, pushing race obsession on rest of this earth.
| quenix wrote:
| I'm not American--never lived there--and have no issue
| with skin color in emojis. Perhaps this isn't as big of a
| deal as you make it out to be.
| dagmx wrote:
| The yellow emoji remain. Skin tones are an option. They
| literally do not affect you if you do not want to use
| them, but provide people who do want to use them or have
| representation, the ability to do so.
| elil17 wrote:
| If you type a word related to the emoji you're looking for
| then it will be automatically suggested to you. You don't
| need to scroll through the whole menu.
| jodrellblank wrote:
| You're wealthy, tall, young, male, English-speaking
| programmer who posts about how they are "constantly called
| the smartest person people know", whining that other people
| being represented by emojis is inconvenient to you so it
| shouldn't be allowed.
|
| That should cause some embarassment and self-reflection.
| Exuma wrote:
| Lol @ your attempt to shame me. It doesn't work because I
| regret nothing, and apologize for nothing. It's not
| illegal to seek feedback about self from others. It's not
| illegal to be tall, young, male, english speaking. And
| most of all, it's not illegal to think a woman with a
| beard emoji is ridiculous.
| halostatue wrote:
| Certainly not illegal to think that, but nothing stops
| people from thinking that your privilege, ignorance, and
| biases are showing.
| howinteresting wrote:
| It's not illegal to think it's ridiculous, but it's also
| not illegal to think _you 're_ ridiculous.
| howinteresting wrote:
| I think a simple search box is a much better solution than
| restricting emoji?
|
| Where we disagree is that I _do_ think we should aspire
| towards every single kind of human diversity on earth being
| represented in emoji.
| Exuma wrote:
| Ok well then we are missing a metric shit ton of emojis
| related to me, and now I am HYPER offended that they're
| not included.
|
| For one, I'm tall. I see now emoji which emphasizes my
| tallness. I lie awake each night in excruciating agony at
| being under represented.
|
| I also have a large amount of cowlicks that make my hair
| unlike any haircut currently available in emojis, as I
| need to cut my hair a weird way. I find this egregious
| that no one has ever thought to include it and now I feel
| grossly under represented. I would go so far as to call
| it inhumane.
|
| Furthermore, they have no 5-oclock shadow emoji. As a
| programmer, other 5-oclock shadow humans will understand
| my SEARING discomfort that this group has not been
| properly represented. Thankfully I can grow a beard, but
| I suspect people who can only grow half-beards are also
| EXTREMELY offended at this fact that there are no "patchy
| beard" emojis.
|
| Apple better get to work...
| jodrellblank wrote:
| There actually are people who actually are
| underrepresented in things. They aren't lying awake in
| excruciating agony, they're just being unfairly treated
| as inferiors. Even mocking this as if it's about "being
| EXTREMELY OFFENDED" is in poor (clueless) taste. People
| don't deserve equal treatment _because they are offended_
| , people deserve equal treatment because of a
| _fundamental presumption that people are created equal_.
|
| In the context, "Apple added emojis that benefit other
| people and not me, so now I'm ranting on the internet
| about it" is meta-poor-taste, the idea that someone else
| doing something that benefits someone who isn't you is
| bad.
| mcphage wrote:
| > and now I am HYPER offended that they're not included
|
| Are you actually offended? Or are you just claiming to be
| offended in order to get your way, while simultaneously
| complaining that other people claim to be offended to get
| their way?
| Exuma wrote:
| If you can't detect that this is sarcasm you might need
| to get your radar defragmented
| da_big_ghey wrote:
| he is making point that such request are silly, like
| other thing such as beard lady. maybe some chick is
| wearing a lot of make up, but we are not needing to make
| "make up" emoji for to represent.
| howinteresting wrote:
| This is Hacker News. Are you looking for
| https://home.unicode.org/now-accepting-unicode-emoji-
| proposa... instead?
| geodel wrote:
| "woman with neck beard" emoji would go long way in promoting
| gender equality in computer and related fields.
| mcbutterbunz wrote:
| How so?
| dagmx wrote:
| Why? Some women, especially in certain cultures, do indeed have
| beards. It takes nothing away from people who won't use that
| emoji, but it lets them be represented while giving others
| another optional emoji to use.
| da_big_ghey wrote:
| are you in seriousness? woman with beard are exist only as
| freak circus sideshow. we are not needing any more than
| midget emoji. i guess it is maybe good way to quietly point
| out that some "she" is in actually a "he", so having some use
| in there?
| oh_sigh wrote:
| Culture isn't going to lead to women magically sprouting
| beards. It may make the small percentage of women with facial
| hair not shave it off, but most women of whatever culture
| you're talking about(Sikh I presume) aren't going to have a
| beard because they can't grow one in the first place.
|
| Somewhat related, but this thread made me look into it - and
| it seems a huge oversight that there isn't a "pregnant man"
| emoji - only pregnant woman. Probably all unicode emojis
| accepted with a certain gender variant should just include
| the other major gender variant as well. I can't really think
| of something that one gender can do that another gender can't
| do, if you allow that people can change their gender at will.
|
| https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-woman/
|
| https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-man/ (404 error)
| elil17 wrote:
| 7% of women naturally grow facial hair. It's not really a
| "small percentage."
|
| https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/why-women-grow-
| facia...
| dagmx wrote:
| Culture won't lead to them actively growing beards, but it
| will lead to them passively allowing it to grow.
|
| This applies to men and women equally. Many men struggle to
| grow a beard or shave it off, so we have beardless male
| emojis. So men have the option.
|
| Women too can physically grow beards, even if it's only a
| few. There's nothing wrong with giving them the option of a
| bearded emoji.
| tasogare wrote:
| In which cultures does women have beards? Without any example
| it seems something you just pretend exist. Women in general
| (ie without special medical conditions) don't grow enough
| facial hair to produce a beard in a lifetime.
| howinteresting wrote:
| The boundary between "special medical conditions" and
| "natural human diversity" is _incredibly_ socially
| constructed.
| dagmx wrote:
| Certain Sikh women grow beards as part of their culture.
| There are quite a few women outside of that who do get
| beards, for a variety of reasons.
|
| Regardless, even if it was hypothetically only people with
| medical conditions, then why is bad for them to be
| represented?
| dash2 wrote:
| I'm not sure it's true that they grow beards as part of
| their culture. They don't cut their hair as part of their
| culture (or religion). Then, some women have a lot of
| facial hair for a variety of biological reasons. If
| they're very committed Sikhs, then they don't cut it off
| - but it's not that they are deliberately trying to have
| more facial hair. At least, that's my reading from about
| 2 minutes of research....
| dagmx wrote:
| I guess I didn't disambiguate between actively growing
| and passively growing. I meant passive.
|
| Most Sikh women will only follow the part about not
| cutting the hair on the tops of their head, and will
| remove facial hair.
|
| However some, more religious ones, will apply this to all
| hair, including their beard and keep it growing.
| Someone1234 wrote:
| In regard to unlock w/Apple Watch:
|
| - This is an issue of Apple's own artificial creation.
|
| - This doesn't even solve the issue.
|
| So this all started because Face Unlock didn't work with masks,
| that's not Apple's fault. But what is entirely Apple's fault is
| that they break an option which resolves this only when Face
| Unlock is enabled: "Require Passcode."
|
| When you disable Face Unlock you can set Require Passcode to e.g.
| 15 minutes/1 hr, and it largely mitigates the aggressiveness by
| which your iPhone re-locks itself while you're e.g. out grocery
| shopping in a mask and trying to use a shopping list. But when
| you enable Face Unlock this option is removed (forced to "Require
| Immediately").
|
| So Apple enforces "Require Immediately" in Require Passcode, it
| blows up in their face, and then instead of backing down when
| masks broke Face Unlock, they instead over-engineer a solution
| where you have to buy an Apple Watch to work around it.
|
| Their new work-around solution doubles down on exactly the same
| anti-choice problems discussed above because they forget to
| mention in this press release that you MUST enable a passcode on
| your Apple Watch to use this feature at all (and they're relying
| on the Apple Watch being less aggressive to re-lock than the
| iPhone).
|
| If you jailbreak your iPhone you can just switch it from "Require
| Immediately" to e.g. 30 minutes and this mask issue is almost
| completely gone in one fell swoop. This Apple Watch fix only
| kinda works (e.g. lost connection to the watch = relock, Watch
| thinks it is off your wrist = relock, etc).
| gshakir wrote:
| I have a Samsung Galaxy as work phone and it has a fingerprint
| sensor unlock in addition to FaceID. Would love that in Apple
| iPhone due to masks becoming so prevalent.
| milansm wrote:
| Well now that I'm so used to a level of privacy that locked
| iPhone provides (notification details are hidden), I just don't
| mind having the phone relocked each time. It's a trade-off that
| works for me.
|
| Also, it wouldn't surprise me if significant percent of users
| actually checks their phone at least one in 15 minutes. This
| would mean that their phones would be at unlocked almost all
| the time.
| Someone1234 wrote:
| - This is about choice. Namely, expanding choice. So if that
| is your comfort level, keep doing what you're doing.
|
| - When Face Unlock is enabled the iPhone doesn't take 15
| minutes to re-lock. That's what is being requested, not what
| we have. 15 minutes would be much longer than the status quo.
| fuzzy2 wrote:
| > - This doesn't even solve the issue.
|
| Right you are, but for a different reason: Face masks entirely
| break Apple Pay. If you have an Apple Watch, lucky you, you can
| use the watch to pay instead. If you don't? Well, tough luck.
|
| Unlock with Watch apparently does not work with Apple Pay.
|
| /e: Wasn't aware of activating Pay using the code. Oops. :D
| bobbylarrybobby wrote:
| Yep, I had to disable Face ID for Apple Pay because it was
| too frustrating to use in stores with a mask on.
| tinus_hn wrote:
| If you want this, why not pay with the watch itself?
| rustyminnow wrote:
| You can't just enter your passcode for Apple Pay?
| aiisjustanif wrote:
| You definitely can, it says "Pay with Passcode" [1]
|
| 1. https://www.imore.com/sites/imore.com/files/styles/large
| /pub...
| [deleted]
| ssully wrote:
| You can, but the above poster and original poster seem to
| be saying that fallback to passcode is a failure in it
| self.
| gandhi00 wrote:
| You can
| DrBenCarson wrote:
| You can. I do it multiple times per week. It adds an extra
| 10s to "being ready for the register" but it's hardly worth
| complaining about in a pandemic.
| Spivak wrote:
| I just wish Apple Pay had a longer timeout because I want
| to have it open before I reach the register but by the
| time they're ready to scan it reauths.
| [deleted]
| imwally wrote:
| You can still use Apple Pay with a passcode.
| tomduncalf wrote:
| > Face masks entirely break Apple Pay
|
| I might be misunderstanding you, and it's far from ideal, but
| you can still use your passcode - I do it all the time.
| fuzzy2 wrote:
| Ah, indeed. I always thought this was not possible due to
| silly security requirements. Could've sworn this wasn't
| possible back on my old iPhone 7.
| kiwijamo wrote:
| I'm sure passcode has always been a fallback option. I
| used to see it all the time when I had an iPhone with a
| Apple Pay compatible card some years ago.
| macintux wrote:
| > Unlock with Watch apparently does not work with Apple Pay.
|
| I find Apple Pay so much easier to use with the Watch that I
| never can remember how to use it on the phone.
| fuzzy2 wrote:
| It's useful for some situations where there are obstacles,
| for example drive-thru checkouts at fast food restaurants
| or gas stations.
| karmelapple wrote:
| Something I just found out on Friday when my iPhone battery
| ran out while at the store: my Apple Watch could still make
| a purchase even though it didn't have a cell connection.
| Pretty great!
| macintux wrote:
| Yep, I realized the same once when I didn't have my phone
| with me. It's just representing card data to the scanner,
| so it doesn't need a network connection.
| kevindong wrote:
| One of the core parts of Apple is having fewer choices, but
| striving to have the available options be good options.
|
| Apple doesn't always succeed with picking the ideal middle
| point between too few and too many choices (most frequently,
| it's skewed towards the 'too few' side) however.
| dkdbejwi383 wrote:
| An even better solution would be to just show the "unlock with
| passcode" button at all times, and not just after Face ID has
| spent 15 seconds not recognising you because you have a mask
| on.
| drdaeman wrote:
| It's order of magnitude less than 15 seconds for me. And they
| have specifically implemented mask detection so if FaceID
| spots a face with a mask on it immediately shows the passcode
| keyboard.
|
| Personally, I'm getting the passcode prompt in less than 1
| second.
| fireattack wrote:
| Just curious, why not just show numpad/pattern input all
| the time then?
| giovannibajo1 wrote:
| Because in the standard lock screen you see
| notifications. iOS switches from the lock screen to the
| numpad when it detects a facemask, or after a timeout
| from the unlock gesture (swipe up).
| boardwaalk wrote:
| I've never seen it take 15 seconds... it takes 2 seconds with
| a mask and 3 seconds with no face visible at all, for me.
| Versus 1 second when Face ID works.
| fiddlerwoaroof wrote:
| If you tap the "Face ID" text, it pops up the passcode entry
| form. I discovered this by accident a couple years ago.
| aikinai wrote:
| They fixed this a few versions ago. Now if it sees a mask, it
| shows the passcode input immediately.
| fireattack wrote:
| Still sounds weird to me. I use an Android phone, I can
| unlock my phone at anytime using either face, fingerprint,
| or passcode.
|
| What exactly is the reason/rationale that it has to fail on
| facial recognition first before proceeding to use passcode?
| ssully wrote:
| I am guessing the rationale is that Face ID is supposed
| to be so good that you won't need to use your passcode.
| In regular use, Face ID unlocks my phone the moment I
| lift it; showing an "enter passcode" option button would
| be redundant because it's already unlocked. Obviously
| this falls apart with masks.
| patrickmcnamara wrote:
| I think it's slightly weird UI/UX to show the password
| prompt if FaceID will just instantly unlock the phone
| anyway (at least when not wearing a mask).
| [deleted]
| kschwab wrote:
| Androids also have the option where you tell them not to
| lock if you're in your home (or other named places). Does
| iPhone support that?
| kiwijamo wrote:
| I have an Android and don't have this option. Seems to be
| a manufacturer-specific feature.
| kschwab wrote:
| It's supposed to be part of base Android 5.0+. There is a
| problem and workaround:
| https://www.computerworld.com/article/3199592/android-
| smart-...
| kiwijamo wrote:
| Yep definitely not on my Xiaomi Android 10 phone. I can
| do the steps in Google Maps but that doesn't trigger the
| Smart Lock. Also nothing in my settings for Smart Lock.
| Oh well.
| jensvdh wrote:
| Yes, although home is probably the place where one tends
| to wear a mask the least.
| diebeforei485 wrote:
| > What exactly is the reason/rationale that it has to
| fail on facial recognition first before proceeding to use
| passcode?
|
| To better train the facial recognition system, perhaps.
| skavi wrote:
| The only Android phone with secure face unlock was the
| Pixel 4, which didn't have a fingerprint sensor. Some
| Samsung devices had iris unlock, which was also fairly
| secure, but even more finicky than face unlock.
| skavi wrote:
| Correction: the Huawei Mate series also includes 3D face
| unlock. However, at least the initial version on the Mate
| 20 was not as secure as Face ID.
| ASalazarMX wrote:
| > What exactly is the reason/rationale that it has to
| fail on facial recognition first before proceeding to use
| passcode?
|
| C O U R A G E
|
| Joke aside, it seems that Face ID was a tremendous
| technical effort so you could have instant access to your
| phone. Besides unlocking, there's no other serious
| application (memojis aside). The fingerprint reader was
| probably removed just to prop acceptance of Face ID.
| Also, Face ID is less secure. If you're detained or
| mugged, just looking at your phone will unlock it before
| you can react and look away.
|
| IMO, the 3D scanner should be on the other side,
| enhancing your pictures with 3D depth.
| behnamoh wrote:
| I always preferred the fingerprint sensor over Face ID.
| You can unlock the phone before even taking it out of the
| pocket. At my desk, I can unlock the phone without
| leaning forward so it sees me. The only time that Face ID
| works (better) is when it's freezing cold and you don't
| want to take your gloves off to unlock the phone.
| kemayo wrote:
| > IMO, the 3D scanner should be on the other side,
| enhancing your pictures with 3D depth.
|
| That's what the LIDAR sensor on the latest phones is for.
| It only gets used in photos for the portrait-mode stuff,
| admittedly.
| ghostpepper wrote:
| Off topic, and I know we're in the middle of an Apple-
| bashing thread, but the portrait mode on iPhone 12 is
| amazing.
|
| Portrait mode is Apple-speak for pseudo-depth-of-field,
| which is the effect that real cameras do that make the
| subject in focus but the background blurry.
|
| It makes photos look way more professional.
| jensvdh wrote:
| If you're detained or mugged you have other problems to
| worry about. They can also threaten you with a knife to
| get your pin code or put your fingerprints on the phone.
| If anything face ID requires your eyes to be open, they
| can knock you out and use your fingerprints more easily.
| idownvoted wrote:
| > * If you're detained or mugged you have other problems
| to worry about.*
|
| Did it ever cross your mind, that being detained for
| nothing is exactly the reason why don't want the
| detainers to also get your digital identity?!
|
| Unlocking your phone against your will is exactly what
| the Communist ruled HK police thugs did to Hong Kong
| protesters before COVID made us all forget about their
| struggle.
| dharmab wrote:
| Law enforcement in most developed countries won't resort
| to violence to get your credentials but are happy to
| point your phone at your face.
|
| By the "they can just use violence" logic, no computer is
| secure and we should throw them all into the ocean.
| Security can improve the intermediate cases- focusing
| solely on the worst case is unproductive.
| Fnoord wrote:
| They can also enforce you to use your fingerprint or face
| (in The Netherlands) but not PIN or password (in The
| Netherlands), both with proper (minimal) force. In UK,
| there's a law to force a user to give away their
| password. Which, IMO, is the same as being enforced to
| help your own conviction.
| [deleted]
| ryanlol wrote:
| > Also, Face ID is less secure. If you're detained or
| mugged, just looking at your phone will unlock it before
| you can react and look away
|
| Much easier to force someone to unlock the phone with
| their fingerprint than to force them to unlock with
| faceid if you have "Require attention" on.
|
| You can't physically force someone to look in a certain
| direction, but you definitely can force them to tap their
| finger on a surface.
| ASalazarMX wrote:
| > You can't physically force someone to look in a certain
| direction
|
| Excuse me, but this is ridiculously easier than forcing
| someone to use their fingerprint; just wait until they
| are distracted, show them the phone and ask them "what is
| this?". It unlocks in less than a second with "Require
| Attention" activated. We prank each other this way when
| we forget our phones around the house.
| djhn wrote:
| Long passcodes are still better.
| acdha wrote:
| You can't make a general assertion like that because
| "better" depends on different factors:
|
| * If you're concerned about someone who can see you
| typing, a biometric is better because they have far fewer
| chances to watch you -- especially if you don't reboot
| outside of your home.
|
| * If you're concerned about actual adoption, a biometric
| is better because you remove the constant frictional
| password entry cost which causes a large fraction of
| users to use short, easily-entered passwords.
|
| * If you're concerned about someone who has enough access
| to construct a usable fingerprint / face facsimile but
| can't coerce you into providing a password or shoulder-
| surf it with a drone, a long password is better.
| asutekku wrote:
| FaceID used 3D depth in perception, it's not camera what
| it uses.
| twobitshifter wrote:
| If you're detained or mugged hold both the power and a
| volume button for 3 seconds.
| thebruce87m wrote:
| Press the power button 5 times quickly. Warning: LOUD.
| behnamoh wrote:
| Hard to do when you're busy getting mugged.
| FredPret wrote:
| Only problem is, mine takes fifteen seconds to notice the
| mask
| gizmo385 wrote:
| I've never had FaceID take fifteen seconds to respond
| either positively or negatively (mask or not). Just an
| anecdote to counter your's
| thebean11 wrote:
| For me it totally depends on the type of mask. Extremely
| annoying.
| tomc1985 wrote:
| Interesting, mine seems to have like a 50% chance of
| unlocking anyways with my mask on, I thought they did some
| sort of improved face-with-mask detection or something
| willis936 wrote:
| That was their claim, however my observation is that it
| just takes longer to fail before offering "swipe up to get
| the passcode interface". I have to waste many seconds of
| staring at my phone just to have the privilege of swiping
| up to spin the passcode interface display slot machine. You
| know what would work? Just showing the passcode interface
| as soon as the screen turns on.
| bayindirh wrote:
| > That was their claim, however my observation is that it
| just takes longer to fail before offering "swipe up to
| get the passcode interface"
|
| If I have a mask on, swiping up _immediately_ brings up
| the pass code screen. In this case immediately is <0.5
| secs.
| crooked-v wrote:
| And for me, it regularly doesn't, taking the full timeout
| period.
| [deleted]
| hackmiester wrote:
| I have about a 60% success rate on their "fix" to this,
| varying wildly depending on which mask I am wearing. The
| better a mask fits, the less likely the solution is to
| work, because the phone seems to think it's an unmasked
| face, just not _my_ unmasked face.
| dkdbejwi383 wrote:
| Strange, I'm up to date yet it still spends ages searching
| for my face when I have a mask on. Perhaps my mask isn't
| masklike enough?
| melq wrote:
| Happens to me all the time too, super annoying. If I'm
| outside and the suns out its even worse.
| mgkimsal wrote:
| doesn't do that for me. just got a new 12 mini running iOS
| 14.4 and... I still always have to do multiple gyrations to
| get to 'passcode'. Still regretting moving away from the SE
| with the touch button in that regard.
| mgkimsal wrote:
| ack. can't edit any more. So... I noticed that iOS unlock
| itself _does_ behave that way (per the parent) BUT...
| individual apps that use face unlock still don 't deal
| with masks. There's probably some varying levels of
| security with face unlock?
| zuppy wrote:
| they actually do this, but it doesn't look like a button. the
| "face id" text that is shown when it tries to recognize your
| face is clickable and it brings the password form. awesome
| ux...
| thebean11 wrote:
| ..thank you so much
| dkdbejwi383 wrote:
| Wow, thanks for the tip. I would never in a million years
| have discovered this otherwise. I don't know if Apple's UX
| design has gone downhill lately or if I'm just getting
| older and stupider.
| macintux wrote:
| One of the least-discoverable features in the phone. One
| of many such features, sadly.
| vineyardmike wrote:
| While it might just be theater, not requiring a password
| immediately seems like a pretty big security regression.
| mirthflat83 wrote:
| Yeah what a hilarious suggestion. Might as well just not lock
| your phone at all.
| ghaff wrote:
| >MUST enable a passcode on your Apple Watch to use this feature
| at all
|
| In all fairness, I believe they require you to set a passcode
| on your watch if you use it for Apple Pay. And, honestly,
| especially right now--while I don't _always_ use my watch to
| pay mostly because the Magsafe wallet makes pulling out a card
| very easy--it 's pretty convenient.
| [deleted]
| _jal wrote:
| I just fixed it by turning off FaceID.
|
| Apple reached phone perfection with the iPhone 4; they reached
| access perfection with touchID. Things have gotten worse since
| then.
| WrtCdEvrydy wrote:
| > Apple reached phone perfection with the iPhone 4;
|
| Thank you, I tell people that I liked developing on that
| platform and the only reason I still don't is because XCode
| no longer supports it and I get critized like I'm a luddite.
|
| It's a phone, you can't do a lot more on device other than
| add new sensors and new networking technology... it's like
| buying a new car because it has a 2021 instead of a 2020, it
| hasn't changed that much....
| microtherion wrote:
| Cameras, to name just one feature, have improved to a
| ridiculous extent since the iPhone 4.
| jeffbee wrote:
| The iPhone SE is physically the same shape and size as the 4
| but with much better internals. To me, that is "peak iPhone".
|
| I still use an SE to control a few things around the house.
| Without a SIM, with the mobile radios and bluetooth disabled
| but wifi enabled, and with Apple's idiotic News app that
| nobody wants disabled, the battery lasts for 20 days. Peak
| iPhone.
| kennywinker wrote:
| The original SE (not the 2020 SE) is the same form factor
| as the iPhone 5 and 5S, not the 4 or 4S
| jeffbee wrote:
| Whoops, you are right. I forgot there was a size
| difference between the 4 and 5. I had decided to think of
| them all collectively as the sharp-edged iPhones.
| meristohm wrote:
| Isn't the 2016 SE still useful as a phone?
| jeffbee wrote:
| Probably, I just happen to have owned the 16GB model that
| is now impractical for me, since iOS itself takes half of
| it. Replaced it for my daily carrying, but kept it around
| since it's so nice.
| meristohm wrote:
| Yeah, 16GB goes fast. I've heard from a few others how
| much they like the older SE.
| dylan604 wrote:
| One of the last reasons that I still use a 6s+ is the
| TouchID. I still like my headphone jack too, but the TouchID
| is the biggest feature I don't want to lose
| jensvdh wrote:
| I hate TouchID, never works when my fingers are sweaty or I'm
| cooking or anything like that.
|
| FaceID is perfect.
| ASalazarMX wrote:
| Why not have both? This whole topic would be a non-issue if
| we still had Touch ID as an option.
| jen20 wrote:
| How about anywhere cold enough to require gloves, and
| reasonable enough to require face masks?
| ASalazarMX wrote:
| In those dire situations I would opt for passcode
| unlocking with smartphone gloves. Face ID, Touch ID and
| passcode, only the most extreme scenarios would need
| more.
| jen20 wrote:
| That's great. I'd prefer to use watch unlocking.
|
| Also, these are not "extreme" or "dire" or even uncommon
| conditions - most of Northern Europe, Canada, and the
| north-eastern USA experience several months of such
| conditions every year.
| ghaff wrote:
| Now you're taking up a fair bit of front of the phone
| real estate (and adding some cost) for a feature that I'm
| guessing most people don't care about. [ADDED: As others
| note there are potentially other options though that
| don't involve putting the home button back.]
| yreg wrote:
| +1, FaceID is perfect for me and so is Watch unlock (on the
| Mac)
| r00fus wrote:
| Let me add to that several more anecdata: my parents could
| never get TouchID to work; it required them to re-register
| on a weekly basis. I don't know if it's because of their
| advanced age or physiology, but in winter, my fingers were
| also not reliable due to dryness.
|
| FaceID has been quite good other than the masks issue. I
| just wish Apple would allow a grace period for rechecking
| auth.
| masklinn wrote:
| FaceID is perfect in no sense of the term.
|
| FaceID works better when your hands are dirty or
| unavailable (e.g. you're wearing gloves), TouchID works
| better when your face is covered or your look changed
| slightly[0].
|
| FaceID has been a strict downgrade for me, there are very
| few situations where FaceID works and TouchID wouldn't
| have, the reverse is a daily occurrence. And things would
| be even worse if I couldn't work from home, as TouchID
| works just fine with a mask.
|
| [0] in bed without my glasses FaceID works 0% of the time,
| even resetting the entire thing and re-registering my face
| with and without glasses, it works all of 2 days before it
| stops recognising me without glasses.
| philsnow wrote:
| my vision is poor enough that without contacts/glasses I
| can't simultaneously both 1. hold the
| phone far enough away from my face for faceid to work,
| and 2. focus my eyes on the screen
|
| so if I wake up in the middle of the night, I always have
| to use my passcode to unlock my phone.
| heavyset_go wrote:
| Sounds like an ADA violation to me.
| mirthflat83 wrote:
| You're holding your iPhone too close to your face when
| you're in bed.
| kennywinker wrote:
| I'm sorry to be pedantic but there is no way anyone would
| pick an iPhone 4 over a 4S, and neither of those had touchID.
| drexlspivey wrote:
| Touch ID had to go because the home button was removed. They
| are now developing on screen fingerprint detection to bring
| back touch ID as a secondaryunlock mechanism.
| QuotedForTruth wrote:
| The newest ipad Air has touch id in the power/lock button
| on the side. I know production timelines probably made it
| impossible to do in reaction to COVID, but can you imagine
| if they had put this on iphone 12 late last year? So many
| iphone users would have bought one just to fix face ID with
| masks.
| bombcar wrote:
| I hope they do - I've been holding onto my 8+ as FaceID
| is annoying.
| amluto wrote:
| I think the sensor-on-the-back mechanism on some Android
| phones is better than Touch ID ever was.
| walterbell wrote:
| Latest iPhone SE and iPad Air are both TouchID only - and
| wonderful.
| _jal wrote:
| I agree, it looks like it ticks all the boxes.
|
| I usually only replace phones when the battery starts
| going. But I'm thinking of getting the SE anyway, just in
| case it isn't available when this one (X) finally goes.
| kiwijamo wrote:
| Oh thank you. I've been making up my mind over which phone
| to get next. You've just helped me rule out the SE. The
| TouchID is one feature I've never had reliable experience
| with. I have sweaty hands, and it seems TouchID has trouble
| with fingers with sweat on them. But even when I dry my
| hands before attempting it it wouldn't always work. I
| thought FaceID would be worse until $WORK gave my team an
| Apple with FaceID. I got to see first hand how much better
| FaceID is. It's doesn't have a 100% success rate but it is
| much closer to 100% than TouchID in my experience. I just
| pick up my phone and it's unlocked almost instantly. A much
| better UX than I had with my previous iPhone 8 and 5s which
| had TouchID. I was disappointed they didn't improve it for
| the 8, it was just as bad as the 5s.
| walterbell wrote:
| Mask-independent TouchID on the $399 iPhone SE has been
| 100% reliable. Even works in the dark, including close
| distances where FaceID forces you to move the phone back
| so it can focus. Allows the phone to be unlocked with one
| hand without looking, when multitasking.
| cglong wrote:
| The "Require Passcode" feature actually saved my data (and
| possibly my life) when I got robbed at gunpoint. The robber
| turned on my iPhone and was able to unlock it, so he assumed
| there was no PIN. He then turned off the phone to disable
| tracking (and inadvertently locked the phone, protecting my
| data and rendering the phone useless to pawn shops).
| dmitriid wrote:
| I wish they added "unlock Mac/use id on Mac with iPhone". But no,
| they only introduce TouchId on a keyboard that only works with M1
| chips.
| ascagnel_ wrote:
| For what it's worth, if you have a system with the T1 chip
| (Apple's been using the watch chip rebadged as a T1 for a few
| years as a SSD controller+security module), you can both unlock
| your laptop with your watch (built-in to the OS) and as a
| biometric sudo auth[0].
|
| [0] https://github.com/insidegui/pam-watchid
| dmitriid wrote:
| I don't have a watch and I don't want someone else's code
| accessing my TouchID :)
| rrebelo wrote:
| > I wish they added "unlock Mac/use id on Mac with iPhone".
|
| Me too. So I made a program that does exactly that:
| https://www.gadgetish.com/osx.html
|
| It also works with Android phones, Android Wear watches, Tizen
| (Samsung) watches, ... even some earbuds or smart tags.
| quenix wrote:
| This sounds insecure. Do you store the user's password on
| disk?
| rrebelo wrote:
| No, I store on OS-X's keychain.
|
| You made a fair and necessary question but I'd be
| embarrassed to even think about storing the password on
| disk, even if encrypted.
| dannyphantom wrote:
| https://www.cnet.com/how-to/ios-14-5-makes-using-the-iphones...
|
| > ...and the ability to unlock your iPhone using Face ID while
| wearing a face mask.
|
| Unlocking the iPhone with Face ID during the pandemic has been an
| exercise in frustration...
|
| !
| verst wrote:
| I go to the same coffee shop a few times a week and they always
| think I'm struggling with Apple Pay. Of course I am not - I am
| just waiting for Face ID to fail so I can use the PIN. Finally
| changed the setting to skip Face ID for Apple Pay directly.
| eddyg wrote:
| Just tap the Face ID icon to immediately switch to the
| keypad.
| verst wrote:
| I never noticed that. Thanks! I guess I'm saving myself one
| tap now :D
| ASalazarMX wrote:
| The new iPhone will include a revolutionary feature where just
| touching your phone will unlock it, and it will not unlock if
| someone unknown touches it. It will be called "dactylogram
| scourer".
|
| /s
|
| Edit: 5 minutes and already got the first downvote
| smiley1437 wrote:
| Feels a bit of a Rube-Goldberg workaround when TouchID exists.
| Love my TouchID to the point I'm dreading when Apple makes no
| more TouchID phones
| gambiting wrote:
| Apple's insistence on only having face ID when competitors have
| fantastic and very fast in-screen fingerprint readers is just
| idiotic. I was kind of onboard when they first introduced
| FaceID, the argument that they don't want the sensor on the
| back and there is no room on the front was fair enough, but
| right now the technology has caught up. It's crazy that you can
| unlock a Samsung with your face OR an in-screen fingerprint
| reader, but you can't an iPhone.
| joshstrange wrote:
| > Apple's insistence on only having face ID
|
| For now. I'd wager in the next year or two we will see
| TouchID in the power button or under the screen. Are there
| Android phones with this tech already? Yes, you can almost
| always count on Android phones to have new types of tech
| before Apple but in my experience Apple's version is much
| more polished/solid/secure as whole. Android had "Face
| unlock" for at least a year or two before Apple but it was
| total crap. I had a coworker who had it and he ended up
| turning it off because it was so buggy/unreliable. FaceID for
| me had been pretty rock solid and I'm very happy with it.
| I'll be happier with a TouchID backup but I'm more than
| willing to wait for a secure and seamless version and not
| something rushed to market.
| fastball wrote:
| > you can almost always count on Android phones to have new
| types of tech before Apple but in my experience
|
| Not really true in the case of TouchID though. Sure other
| things had fingerprint scanners before iPhone but they
| sucked _hard_.
| gambiting wrote:
| I don't think OP says they were better, just that they
| existed on Android phones before apple had them.
| joshstrange wrote:
| Correct. My wording could have been better probably. I
| would never put Android phone's face unlock in the same
| category as FaceID (nor their fingerprint vs TouchID).
| It's been a while since I've seen tech on an Android
| phone that Apple later implemented where the Apple's was
| just equivalent to the existing Android version, it's
| always a bigger stop forward.
| 3grdlurker wrote:
| Or they could put it on the lock button like they did with
| one of their iPads.
| barbazoo wrote:
| I've always found that unlocking your device with your
| fingerprint scanner on the front of the device only works
| nicely if you're holding it with the other hand.
| Andrew_nenakhov wrote:
| I have used phones with all types of fingerprint sensor.
| Below the screen (Moto Z, iPhone 6S), at the back, in the
| power button (Moto Z3), and built into screen (Moto Z4).
|
| Built into the screen is by far superior of all. The worst
| is at the back, with power button at the side not far from
| it.
| barbazoo wrote:
| I think having it in the back is genius as that's where I
| always have a finger as opposed to the front. It's so
| awkward to try to hold the phone in my hand securely AND
| holding my thumb on the scanner at the same time.
| Andrew_nenakhov wrote:
| About half of the times i unlock my phone is when it is
| resting on the table. Fingerprint scanner on the back
| requires picking it up first, which is extremely
| uncomfortable to do every time. No. Just no.
| barbazoo wrote:
| I'm glad we have choice then.
| passivate wrote:
| I agree, but for a different reason. Today's phones are
| stupidly fragile and pretty much everyone puts some sort
| of case on them. I don't get this obsession from phone
| makers to make increasingly thinner devices, when a large
| number of end users just put an ugly case on it. Why not
| make them rugged to begin with?
| ubercow13 wrote:
| Would you really rather that rubber/plastic of the case
| was fused to the phone instead of just separate and
| replacable?
| duhi88 wrote:
| For me, the most common scenario in which I'd want TouchID
| is when I have my phone resting flat on my desk. Depending
| on which phone case you may or may not have on your phone,
| the power button might be conveniently accessible. I'd
| prefer a version that didn't require me to lift my phone up
| off the desk in order to unlock it.
| tinus_hn wrote:
| These competitors aren't held to the same standards Apple is.
| If it turns out you can unlock these phones with a printed
| fingerprint copy, nobody cares. But if it happens on iPhone
| it's fingerprintgate.
| passivate wrote:
| I don't think its different standards, its because click-
| bait on Apple products works quite well.
| jdhawk wrote:
| The S10's in screen reader drove me away from the platform
| and back to an SE2 w/ TouchID....it was that unreliable.
|
| Have they fixed it?
| gambiting wrote:
| Got an S21 and the sensor works as well as any Apple ever
| made. But yes, it seems like the technology has matured
| only very recently, the first in-screen readers were pretty
| crap.
| fastball wrote:
| Wow you've tried every Apple ever made?
| gambiting wrote:
| I mean, I own the iPhone 12, 2020 iPad Air, and the
| iPhone SE2, so I'd assume those are state of the art when
| it comes to both FaceID and TouchID, no? Should be a
| pretty good comparison? Is there any other apple product
| you think I should try? I'll be very happy to give it a
| go.
| mynameisvlad wrote:
| Not in the S20, at least. I was about to leave the exact
| same message but I went to a 12 Pro with Face ID because I
| couldn't stand Samsung's implementation.
|
| If people think that Face ID is inaccurate, then they
| _clearly_ haven 't used under-screen readers. They're slow,
| unreliable, and imprecise.
| gambiting wrote:
| S20 was particularly bad, give S21 a try though if you
| get the chance - they improved the scanning speed and the
| scanning area is now 2x the size so it's a lot easier to
| unlock the phone.
| mynameisvlad wrote:
| That does sound like it addresses my two bigger issues.
| The one that annoyed me the most was a direct result of
| those issues -- I didn't know if I was even pressing in
| the right place about 75% of the time.
|
| It's especially draining when every first interaction
| with the phone is essentially "Are my fingers too sweaty?
| oily? Did I tap long enough? Did I press hard enough? Too
| hard? Did I even tap the right place? Screw it I'll just
| enter my PIN".
| gambiting wrote:
| Yeah basically the S20 used their new ultrasonic sensor
| for the first time and it was meant to be the greatest
| thing ever, except that it was pretty small and slow so
| it wasn't great. S21 uses the same technology for
| recognition accuracy, but makes it bigger and faster.
| adrr wrote:
| Face unlock for Samsung phones provides no security unlike
| FaceId. So really Samsung just has a fingerprint scanner.
|
| https://www.samsung.com/ph/support/mobile-devices/can-you-
| un...
| bobbyi_settv wrote:
| The fact that it can be unlocked with a picture doesn't
| mean it has no security.
|
| The main use case for phone locking is that you leave your
| phone in a cab, a bar or wherever else in public and
| someone picks it up later. That person isn't going to know
| who you are and have a picture of you. They're still
| prevented from being able to take the phone they just saw
| laying around and go through your emails, etc.
| Spivak wrote:
| The parent isn't saying that Samsung's face unlock isn't
| still useful. Just that "a picture of your face is the
| password" does pass the bar for security by any
| reasonable definition. It's a convenience feature.
| Apple's FaceID comes with real, and strong, guarantees
| about its effectiveness. Just the same as Samsung's
| fingerprint scanner.
| adrr wrote:
| Never used a Samsung phone but touchId and faceid gates
| access to payments, passwords and banking apps. Typing a
| complex password on touch screen isn't very fun.
| gambiting wrote:
| Same on Android.
| mirthflat83 wrote:
| What a terribly not secure phone then.
| gambiting wrote:
| Which one? Android is an operating system, not a phone.
| There are ones which are just as secure as an
| iPhone(Samsung with its Samsung Knox vault) and cheap
| phones which have only basic fingerprint readers(and even
| then I don't see what the problem is, the biometric data
| is stored in the storage managed by the reader chip,
| inaccessible to the rest of the device for every
| commercial fingerprint reader out there). I thought HN
| was all about having consumer choice?
| gambiting wrote:
| On my S21 you can tick a "fast unlock" option for face
| unlock which comes with a warning that it can be fooled by
| a picture then. So I'm assuming that by default it can't?
| milkytron wrote:
| > the argument that they don't want the sensor on the back
| and there is no room on the front was fair enough
|
| No room on the front - fine, but under the screen readers
| have been improving a ton and I'm sure Apple could figure out
| something.
|
| Don't want the sensor on the back - I don't understand this.
| Why not? It works for other devices, and they could even make
| the Apple logo into a reader to be discreet.
| Lammy wrote:
| I wonder if it was really on _Apple's_ insistence lol https:/
| /en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93Apple_encryption_d...
| dannyphantom wrote:
| With the frustration of the past year in iPhone not unlocking
| due to your face mask it seems like a proof of concept that
| iPhone should bring back TouchID.
| mxcrossb wrote:
| Weirdly enough, facial recognition works for me with a mask
| already, but only if I take off my glasses.
| fastball wrote:
| I feel like mine did too towards the beginning of the
| pandemic, but not anymore.
| gbrown_ wrote:
| Lack of TouchID on newer models is one of the main reasons I've
| yet to upgrade from my iPhone 8.
| scintill76 wrote:
| The iPhone SE (2020) has it.
| hkh28 wrote:
| Stayed with my iPhone 7 until iPhone 12 for the same (main)
| reason. Being able to have the phone unlocked on the way from
| my pocket was fantastic. Unlocking with Face ID takes at
| least two seconds extra, every time.
| ryan93 wrote:
| On the iphone 12 faceid takes less than a second
| masklinn wrote:
| "Less than a second" (when it works) is more than
| "negative time".
| ape4 wrote:
| Siri can have different voices but she(?) is still called "Siri".
| da_big_ghey wrote:
| Yes, it is saying in announcement. She was given differing
| voice before in past, but it was needing configuration option
| for to enable some other. It is bad change though, now each
| person must make choice rather than having normal default.
| elil17 wrote:
| There have been male and female Siri voices for a long time.
| According to the Apple style guide: "When referring to Siri,
| simply use the name "Siri". Do not refer to Siri with pronouns
| such as "she," "him," or "her." Depending on language support,
| Siri may offer a male or female voice, or both."
| tosh wrote:
| Not mentioned in the press release but this update also brings a
| new version of Safari (and WebView).
|
| Anyone knows if Safari in 14.5 is equivalent to a specific
| Technology Preview release?
|
| https://developer.apple.com/safari/technology-preview/releas...
| HugoDaniel wrote:
| it would be cool if Safari finally got WebGL 2 enabled by
| default
| ghughes wrote:
| Cool for the web, not so cool for the growth of Apple Arcade.
| aroman wrote:
| It's not like WebGL 2 is the crucial lynch pin blocking the
| viability of mobile web gaming... WebGL2 will have zero
| impact on Apple Arcade.
| turblety wrote:
| If only it included Web Push API capabilities. But of course,
| Apple won't do that, as then developers wouldn't have to beg to
| be in their app store, and pay a 30% commission on any
| payments.
|
| I would have more respect for Apple if they just came out and
| said it, but the fact they haven't mentioned it at all, is just
| cowardly.
| minimaxir wrote:
| macOS/tvOS/watchOS are also updated with analogous features.
| jetpackjoe wrote:
| tvOS should include the new color balancing feature, correct?
| minimaxir wrote:
| Yep, including for the older A8 Apple TV.
| josteink wrote:
| Just tested using my Apple TV 4K and an iPhone XR.
|
| Worked just fine!
| teekert wrote:
| Hmm, I'm pretty sure I turned off "Personalized ads" under
| Privacy -> Apple ads, and now it's back on. Or did I simply never
| turn this off before?
|
| Anyway, where is that famous new setting? Nothing seems changed
| to me under "Privacy"?
|
| Edit: I see iOS is still good at autocorrecting after I press
| "send". Absolutely maddening.
| gpsz wrote:
| It's still off for me, so perhaps you never turned it off?
|
| > famous new setting
|
| Privacy -> Tracking
| teekert wrote:
| But that was there before, right? I'm pretty sure.
|
| Edit: yeah I'm quite positive it was.
| estel wrote:
| It was, yes. The SDK for App Tracking permissions has been
| there since 14.0. The change in 14.5 is that using the new
| APIs (and getting user permission) is now mandatory.
| benhurmarcel wrote:
| > Hmm, I'm pretty sure I turned off "Personalized ads" under
| Privacy -> Apple ads, and now it's back on.
|
| It stayed off after the update for me.
| kccqzy wrote:
| The proxied safe browsing feature also launches as part of this
| release: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26110928
| teekert wrote:
| But why does iOS still turn my alarm to max volume every now and
| then
| DC1350 wrote:
| The real story is the woman with beard emoji and two new ways to
| represent vaping
| [deleted]
| tinyprojects wrote:
| Everyone is missing the point. This is the start of a major
| battle between two tech juggernauts. One look at the Facebook ads
| manager will show you Facebook is very scared about this privacy
| update and trying to do everything in their power to mitigate it.
|
| Apple is the gatekeeper and Facebook can't do anything about it.
| Their dominant revenue stream is about to be strangled.
|
| I think Zuckerberg realizes he is screwed in the long run, and
| only his bet on VR with Oculus will save him.
| 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
| >Apple is the gatekeeper and Facebook can't do anything about
| it.
|
| Antitrust. As much as I applaud Apple here- isn't this just
| more proof they they abuse their position?
| lifty wrote:
| Antitrust for allowing the user to choose? I don't think that
| would stand in court.
| 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
| I was spitballing but sure. It obviously shows how powerful
| Apple is and how locked their platform is.
|
| And don't get me started on choice. It's a step in the
| right direction but Apple doesn't give a shit about choice
| or they'd allow multiple App stores, side loading,
| browsers, etc. They wouldn't be fighting with repair shops.
| xbar wrote:
| Perhaps a new version of the Facebook phone?
| matdehaast wrote:
| Good chance FB will own the VR space from platform on a
| hardware and software level. My bet is they will be bigger in
| 10 years than they are now if VR materialises
| rrebelo wrote:
| Sorry for the shameless plug, but for those without an Apple
| Watch I've made a program [0] that implements the Unlock Mac with
| Bluetooth for any other device, including Android phones, Android
| Wear or Tizen watches or even some ear plugs.
|
| [0] https://www.gadgetish.com/osx.html
|
| Edit:
|
| However, the Windows version works only with Android phones:
| https://www.gadgetish.com
| artificialLimbs wrote:
| Enabled Umwelt in Accessibility (Big Sur).
|
| Clicked allow updates.
|
| Crashes every time I open. Displays check for updates screen,
| then immediately crashes.
| rrebelo wrote:
| Oh, thank you so much. I hadn't test it under Big Sur.
|
| It seems there is an incompatibility with Big Sur in the
| Sparkle Framework (I use it for updates).
|
| Will look into it.
| idlewords wrote:
| Of course to unlock the Apple Watch, you'll be wanting the Apple
| Ring...
| mhb wrote:
| Wow new emojis! Maybe some future update will make it possible to
| turn location services off in fewer than 5 taps.
| lemax wrote:
| My Face ID is completely broken after getting water on my
| "waterproof" iPhone X. I downloaded the beta in the hopes of
| using my Apple Watch to unlock my iPhone without Face ID enabled.
| My employer enforces a device policy with passcode required
| immediately and auto-lock in 1 minute, so this would have been
| really nice. Unfortunately this feature only works a) with Face
| ID enabled and b) while wearing a mask. Not exactly just "Unlock
| with Apple with Apple Watch".
| reaperducer wrote:
| _my "waterproof" iPhone X_
|
| Oh, wow. I'm usually aware of Apple's new offerings, and I
| completely missed that there's a "waterproof" version of the
| iPhone X available. I just have the regular water resistant
| version.
| gpm wrote:
| > b) while wearing a mask
|
| Wtf? What possible benefit does this have? Securing your phone
| against people who stole it (and your watch) but aren't willing
| to put on a mask?
| abadaba wrote:
| I wonder if Face ID is still able to partially detect a
| masked user's face, just with a much lower confidence
| interval. Maybe the presence of the watch allows Face ID to
| lower the confidence threshold when it detects a mask
| blocking half of the face. This is just a guess, I have no
| idea how Face ID works.
|
| If Face ID can't detect anything when a user wears a mask
| then I completely agree with you. It seems really silly to
| require the mask in order for the watch unlock to work. I
| don't understand the security model there.
| kristofferR wrote:
| The "Unlock with Apple Watch" feature was the reason I used all
| the betas, thankfully they were totally trouble free for me this
| time.
| gentryb wrote:
| This was a reason I inadvertently got some previous co-workers
| over-excited about a feature (only to find it was only in the
| betas I happened to be running). Still remember having to break
| it to the first person who really wanted to enable the feature
| that it must be in beta - and I spoke too early.
|
| As an aside - earlier betas didn't seem to like various colored
| masks in my experience (turquoise being the main one) - which
| seemed to be fixed in later versions.
|
| For context: worked at a COVID-19 Testing/Vaccination site -
| mask on more hours than not each 24... I _LOVE_ this feature
| still.
| Tomte wrote:
| Scribble should now be supported in German (and a few other
| languages). That's the main feature I've been waiting for.
| xyst wrote:
| So if I can unlock my phone with FaceID + Apple Watch + Mask.
| Then in theory, wouldn't ANY person with a mask be able to unlock
| my phone? If you steal the phone at the right time, and unlock
| the phone while wearing a mask and still be in proximity to the
| victim wearing the watch. You will have an unlocked iPhone at
| your disposal. Quickly disable all of the security features,
| remove the SIM, and now you have a $1000+ item you can fence.
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