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Internet down in Tumbler Ridge, B.C., after beaver chews through
fibre cable
Author : barbazoo
Score : 237 points
Date : 2021-04-25 18:58 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| SassyGoose wrote:
| Reminds me of this one: https://cybersquirrel1.com/
|
| Great, now we'll have to start taking beavers into account too
| [deleted]
| addajones wrote:
| I hope that beaver can chew through all fiber cables in the world
| and people go outside and live more and communicate in person
| again. Good job beaver.
| viraptor wrote:
| Meanwhile in real world we've still got a pandemic going on and
| the internet allows us to communicate more.
| great_reversal wrote:
| Meanwhile people are going outside more because of the
| pandemic. So much for lockdowns.
| sharkweek wrote:
| I want to write a satirical short story about a total global
| collapse for the silliest reason possible and would absolutely
| love to use a premise as ridiculous as a beaver taking down the
| internet.
| aidos wrote:
| You could always go for a more Stephen King plot involving an
| evil old tv
| https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/09/18-months-of-v...
| edoceo wrote:
| who made who / maximum overdrive. Amazing.
| vitabenes wrote:
| What if you tied in the Suez stuck ship somehow...
| [deleted]
| cm2187 wrote:
| How can they tell where is the cable damage? If the cable is all
| underground, surely they didn't dig up the whole thing? Can they
| measure that from one end? Do they do a binary search by digging
| and testing?
| morsch wrote:
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_time-domain_reflecto...
| walrus01 wrote:
| OTDR - optical time domain reflectometer, you connect it to the
| fiber at one end and it'll tell you where the break is,
| accurate to plus or minus 20-30 meters
| segfaultbuserr wrote:
| If you want to understand how TDR works, watch this classic
| tutorial from the mid-50s in the AT&T archive.
|
| * AT&T Archives: Similiarities of Wave Behavior
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DovunOxlY1k
|
| Pure software developers are often surprised when they learned
| that it's possible to detect the location of a break in the
| mains wiring or an Ethernet cable, just by testing from one end
| of the cable. There's no closed loop, why is it possible to
| test anything electrically? Because at high frequency, the
| circuit becomes an electromagnetic waveguide.
|
| Basically like a radar, you send a fast pulse (electrical or
| optical), the EM waves travels along the cable until it hits
| the break and reflects back. You listen for the echo. Record
| the time, use the speed of light to pinpoint the location of
| the break.
| trhway wrote:
| >it appears the beavers dug underground alongside the creek to
| reach our cable, which is buried about three feet underground and
| protected by a 4.5-inch thick conduit. The beavers first chewed
| through the conduit before chewing through the cable in multiple
| locations,"
|
| sounds very determined, and i wonder what caused that beaver's
| rage against the machine.
| tux wrote:
| ... a photo from the site appeared to show the beavers using
| Telus materials to build their home ...
|
| LOL surviving beaver's in 2021. At first I thought this was a
| joke, but no... beaver's are getting smarter.
| neom wrote:
| Beavers are _extremely_ cool. Being Canadian, I never gave them
| very much thought until the youtube algorithm one day had me
| watching a documentary about them, that lead to me searching out
| another documentary to watch about them because they 're so
| fascinating.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLyBZ1mdg2c
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N15sLwRCmnc
| aneutron wrote:
| Thank you very much for the links. I have learned so much in 45
| minutes.
| adameasterling wrote:
| I completely agree!
|
| Beavers make habitats! They create entire ecosystems! They turn
| semi-arid land into lush wetlands. Their lodges become homes
| for muskrats and otters. The wetlands they make support bird,
| and frog, and fish populations.
|
| California used to have hundreds of thousands of them. The now-
| semiarid Central Valley looked very different before humans
| started trapping them in masse, and dammed rivers in the
| Sierras. I wish I could go back in time and see central
| California circa 1700. I sometimes wonder if we could restore
| some of what we lost.
| cyberlurker wrote:
| I never heard of this before. Thanks for sharing. Any good
| sources? And do you know of any efforts to reintroduce
| beavers into parts of California?
| eloff wrote:
| Yeah, beavers are one of the few animals like us who toil to
| adapt their habitat to themselves instead of just accepting
| it.
|
| I've also heard that beavers can't stand the sound of running
| water, and if you put speakers playing running water in their
| lodge, they will go to great effort to try and find and dam
| it. I don't know if that's true, but it seems plausible.
| neom wrote:
| The doc I posted is actually in part about how they react
| to the sound of running water, and they show the exact
| speaker experiment you mentioned. :)
| HelloFellowDevs wrote:
| According to wiki, you're pretty right.
|
| > The sound of running water appears to stimulate dam-
| building, and the sound of a leak in a dam triggers them to
| repair it. [0]
|
| [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaver#Infrastructure
| chmod775 wrote:
| Reminds me of human's proclivity to fashion pointy sticks
| first chance they get.
|
| I heard if you lock a human in a room with a rock and
| stick, they'll make a pointy stick. I don't know if that's
| true, but it seems plausible.
|
| Sorry, I had to ;)
| walrus01 wrote:
| I am no ecosystem expert, but in particular I recall reading
| that the lakes they create are essential for migratory water
| birds.
| srswtf123 wrote:
| > I sometimes wonder if we could restore some of what we
| lost.
|
| We absolutely could; we could make this entire planet a
| garden if we chose. We simply lack the will.
| dpc59 wrote:
| A lot of people would be willing. The people with power and
| contradicting interests don't.
| Naga wrote:
| I've always found them a bit of an annoyance! Algonquin Park is
| full of them and they make some of the backcountry routes
| difficult by changing water levels through it. The amount of
| beaver dams I have pulled my canoe over!
| Waterluvian wrote:
| There's a beaver dam near my cottage in Ontario. We pull it
| apart on occasion as it risks the road. But they build it back
| up impressively fast.
| cmrdporcupine wrote:
| My parents have been having a kind of entertaining saga with
| the beavers that have colonized their rural property in
| Alberta. It's 100+ acres of bush neighbouring forested crown
| land, and it had been logged out and abused a bit before they
| moved there and built their house. So they've spent the last
| decade and a half restoring it.
|
| In the low lying portion of their land there was always a gully
| with a tiny little trickle of water, a bit marshy, but no creek
| or pond. Enough you could step over it, that's it.
|
| Fast forward 15 years and it's now a full pond with a beaver
| dam and at least one lodge and the water is now so high they
| can't get to the other half of their property. My dad builds
| bridges but the beavers keep raising the water level. He builds
| what he thinks are beaver-proof culverts to lower the water
| level a bit (but still enough for the beavers), and it works
| for a couple years and then eventually the beavers figure it
| out.
|
| Unfortunately it has gotten to the point where he may have to
| do a bit of population control on them, as they are getting
| beyond destructive and he's getting older. He tried to live in
| harmony with them, but it's gotten tricky. Luckily their house
| is well up on the hill but they do want to be able to get to
| the other half of their property.
| eggsmediumrare wrote:
| Props to your folks for restoring damaged land.
| iptrans wrote:
| Less sexy headline: "Internet down in Canadian village due to
| poor planning and lack of proper redundancy"
| [deleted]
| slver wrote:
| It's not exactly unexpected the last mile cable for a small
| village to have no redundancy. The redundancy is: use your
| cellular connection until they fix the cable.
| LeoPanthera wrote:
| The story says that cell service is also down.
| iptrans wrote:
| The same cable was used for cell service...
| lostlogin wrote:
| Not sure why you're downvoted - the article says "Telus
| warns that cellphone service in the area is likely to be
| spotty until the cable is repaired." Maybe the cellular
| outage is from more people using it rather than damage?
| walrus01 wrote:
| It's a tiny town with only a few road routes in and out. Now go
| do the budget in dollars per km to build a fully redundant ring
| topology of fiber, via diverse routing, to the nearest mid size
| city. Lots of rural places are effectively a singlehomed stub,
| and you take your chances with a flash flood washing out a
| conduit alongside a road, trees falling on lines, beavers, etc.
| visiblink wrote:
| It's a tiny, dying mining town over 50 miles away from the
| closest community. Having fibre is amazing as it is.
| [deleted]
| tyingq wrote:
| This happens with cars pretty frequently too, though usually with
| squirrels. They get in and chew up the wiring harness under the
| hood. It's crazy expensive to fix because it's not always clear
| where all the damage is, and access often requires disassembling
| tons of stuff in the engine bay.
| wkyle wrote:
| The Bugaboos in Eastern BC are well known for having rubber-
| eating porcupines. Standard practice when leaving a car at the
| trailhead for a while is to wrap the underside in chickenwire.
|
| https://www.mountainproject.com/photo/105869551/porcupine-ba...
| jshmrsn wrote:
| Had exactly this happen to my Fit. Can confirm it was an
| expensive fix, increasing TCO of the car by a significant
| percentage since it wasn't a very expensive car to begin with.
| I can only hope the squirrel enjoyed their $1,000 lunch.
| leesalminen wrote:
| Some rabbits got my car earlier this spring in the driveway.
| The price to fix wasn't astronomical, but luckily their little
| nest was quite visible once they jacked the car up. The wires
| they chewed were close to that.
| userbinator wrote:
| Mice too.
|
| There was an interesting lawsuit a while ago about how newer
| cars use a plastic for the wire insulation that's alledgedly
| more attractive to rodents, although I don't recall the
| outcome.
| killjoywashere wrote:
| The car wires are because people started using insulation out
| of peanut, soy, and rice husks. Good example of something that
| seemed superficially good for the environment but had
| unforeseen consequences. I'm not advocating for asbestos here,
| but there are certainly non-edible, noxious alternatives.
| KineticLensman wrote:
| Our overhead utility lines (broadband) run through some woods.
| Squirrels routinely nibble on them, and then blame the damage
| on the wind.
| kareemm wrote:
| Great headline. This should top the reigning champ of famous
| headlines about Canada - "Worthwhile Canadian Initiative"[1].
|
| 1- https://parli.ca/worthwhile-canadian-initiative/
| nwiswell wrote:
| What are the odds that [insert your favorite boogeyman global
| power] has already seeded every submarine communications cable
| with "robotic beavers", patiently awaiting an activation signal?
| It is frightening how fragile the physical security of global
| networks appears to be.
| don-code wrote:
| I won't disagree that the physical security of the last mile is
| quite fragile, but I'm not sure the same holds true for the
| global Internet.
|
| There's no single topology of the Internet, but if I had to try
| and sum it up: it approaches a mesh at the core, and approaches
| a star at the edge. Backbones peer with thousands of providers;
| businesses may have a primary and backup ISP; home users are
| lucky to even have a second ISP offering service in their area.
| lostlogin wrote:
| > It is frightening how fragile the physical security of global
| networks appears to be.
|
| Is it? I have access pretty much all the time and can't name an
| outage (that wasn't caused by me), ever.
|
| When something gets broken somewhere, presumably my data gets
| routed around the issue.
| nwiswell wrote:
| > Is it? I have access pretty much all the time and can't
| name an outage (that wasn't caused by me), ever.
|
| I think that's because the system is designed to be resilient
| to _random_ failures (e.g., disgruntled beaver). Submarine
| cables fail all the time and there are repair boats
| constantly fixing breakages caused by fishing, wildlife, etc.
|
| All of the submarine cables failing at the same time (e.g.,
| terrorist beavers) is most definitely not a random failure
| and would, I suspect, cause some proper havoc and take months
| to fix.
| [deleted]
| tshaddox wrote:
| Couldn't they just restrict the communication on that cable at
| one of the buildings on either end of the cable? Seems likely
| that they'd still want to use the cable for some approved
| communications and would have no trouble controlling things
| without resort to a robotic cable-chewer.
| londons_explore wrote:
| This is so that country A can prevent communications between
| country B and country C in case of war.
|
| I'm not sure it is an especially valuable war tactic, because
| while you can probably take out some cat videos for a few
| hours, serious military and political communications will be
| redirected over satellite links quite quickly.
| tshaddox wrote:
| Sure, in a total war situation I suppose cutting all long-
| distance communications would obviously be on the table.
| But it wouldn't be up there on my list of concerns, cuz
| nukes and stuff.
|
| I'd see it as a larger concern in the context of terrorism
| or very asymmetric warfare.
| throwaway823882 wrote:
| Gentle reminder that multiple countries around the world have
| almost accidentally started a nuclear holocaust. I'm not that
| bothered by Netflix going down.
| nwiswell wrote:
| For what it's worth, that's exactly why it seems like
| something that is _likely_ to actually happen.
|
| It's one thing to threaten mutual nuclear destruction and
| quite another to give the order to actually kill hundreds of
| millions of people and almost certainly end or ruin your own
| life. Since that basically excludes any intentional act by a
| moral or rational actor, my understanding is that the closest
| calls were usually cases of mistaken intent.
|
| A global internet outage would be devastating for economic
| and possibly humanitarian reasons, but would not have the
| degree of practical and moral deterrence that exists for
| nuclear weapons.
| Lammy wrote:
| Friendly reminder that it's a lot easier to be talked into
| hating an "other" when there's no ability to communicate and
| only the agitators on either side get heard.
| merlinsky wrote:
| Hi, I am a beaver.AMA
| bushbaba wrote:
| How do you avoid cavities?
| FridayoLeary wrote:
| will you donate your fur to science after you die?
| walrus01 wrote:
| if nine out of ten dentists recommend a specific toothpaste,
| do you agree with them?
| merlinsky wrote:
| Hey walrus01, short answer is - no. You should always do
| your homework and check it by yourself. Anyway, I am not at
| the dentist very often.
| Sebb767 wrote:
| > It is frightening how fragile the physical security of global
| networks appears to be.
|
| Protecting miles and miles of cable running through the
| wilderness is an herculean task, especially since usually
| nobody attempts to attack it. One can of course do a three-way
| fallback of landline/direct radio link/satellite, but that
| would be insane cost for, again, basically no benefit and no
| bandwidth.
|
| Two fiber lines is really the best thing you're going to get if
| you want good and fast internet speeds at reasonable prices.
| great_reversal wrote:
| Unless you opt for SpaceX's Starlink. Still expensive, but
| bandwidth is usually better than without it in remote
| regions.
| ghaff wrote:
| Well, yes. Current satellite is pretty awful by all
| accounts. And many places (like my house 40 miles outside
| of Boston) don't get great cellular reception--which has
| effective bandwidth caps in any case. In those situations,
| StarLink looks like a pretty good option, such as at my
| dad's house where he had 1 Mbps DSL.
|
| But probably not so great for the crowd that thinks they
| can't live without 1 Gbps and TBs of data/month.
| protoman3000 wrote:
| > Robotic Beavers
|
| > Cut submarine cables
|
| You don't need any of that to break havoc on the internet. Just
| use BGP to advertise bogus routes to any prefixes.
| mort96 wrote:
| How are you gonna train the beavers to advertise bogus BGP
| routes?
| protoman3000 wrote:
| Injecting training data into the brain
|
| https://mobile.twitter.com/axios/status/1382696186684014592
| lolinder wrote:
| Can we just have a chuckle about a humorous event for once,
| without someone introducing fear?
| monkeybutton wrote:
| I sort of assume there's lots of stuff like this that exists
| and people constantly bringing it up at every opportunity is
| kind of tiring. The converse where "everyone knows" but
| doesn't acknowledge it isn't necessarily any better though.
|
| Anyways, the mental image of robot beaver drones with glowing
| red eyes causing havoc makes up for it.
| walrus01 wrote:
| Reading this, my first thought really was that some Telus outside
| plant fiber crews (and possibly contracted trenching or
| directional boring contractor) are about to make a lot of
| overtime.
| matsemann wrote:
| Reminds me about the whale getting caught in an undersea cable a
| few years back (with some stunning photos):
| https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23231000-400-hacker-t...
| gallerdude wrote:
| I wonder if the beaver was ok afterwards.
| tW4r wrote:
| At least it was a non electrocuting fiber cable
| allenrb wrote:
| His beaver doctor will be pleased with such healthy fiber
| intake.
| slver wrote:
| Nah, he wasn't, he felt pretty bad about the whole ordeal.
| throwawaysea wrote:
| From some quick searching it seems like this isn't very uncommon,
| with animals like gophers, squirrels, rats, and more cutting
| cables all over the world: https://www.rdm.com/rodents-the-
| biggest-threat-to-fiber-acce...
| lostlogin wrote:
| I went to war with a mouse who was attacking the Ethernet
| cables in the wall near my IT cupboard each night.
|
| Listening to it chomping away was anxiety inducing. Pics Peanut
| Butter turned out to be the perfect bait.
|
| https://www.picspeanutbutter.com
| bacheaul wrote:
| Add it to the list... https://cybersquirrel1.com/
| f430 wrote:
| I got a txt message from my friend about this wholives there. Was
| surprised that they have cell reception.
| davidf18 wrote:
| Amazing how beavers can chew through a steel conduit used for
| containing the cable.
| visiblink wrote:
| I lived and worked in Tumbler Ridge for about six years in the
| 80s and 90s. I never expected to see it on the Hacker News. Too
| funny!
| zoomies wrote:
| busky beaver used to be the world's most famous beaver, & world's
| third favorite rodent, second only to mickey and rocky, that dear
| friend of bullwinkle.
|
| busky beaver used to attract hundreds of thousands of annual
| tourists & visitors to the river.
|
| - the dams it built ~ - the stick stacking ~ throughout canada,
| renowned & amounted to some of the biggest, most ferocious,
| meticulous ordered N precision-stacked on the banks, all around
|
| - but in the 90s, - in the 2000s, slowly, annual visitors were
| dwindling
|
| "wtf?"
|
| said busky.
|
| for the beaver was at the top of it's game, & no ordinary thing
| could explain what was happening.
|
| the consensus, however, was overall positive.
|
| "more forest for me"
|
| was the essence of forest-animal conversation,
|
| but busky beaver wasn't happy.
|
| "what about BC's nature-derived GDP?"
|
| fact is busky was a top earner for the industry. had woodpecker
| pecked plaques & everything & didn't like no-one - neither beaver
| nor techie - biting into his bottom line ..
|
| by & by, birds in the trees, tweeted talks of some internet
| thing.
|
| absorbing attn. keeping tourists, netflixed comfy on homefront.
|
| "well busky being busky wasn't just going to let things slide .."
|
| "this requires adventure of a different kind."
|
| & so it t'was, busky said:
|
| "i'm going to find the internet & stop it."
|
| forest heard that. talk pinged. honey badgers scoffed loudly
|
| "you can't stop the internet!" said honey bader "It's
| everywhere!"
|
| "Why don't you help me?"
|
| but honey badger don't care.
|
| well neither did busky.
|
| and so it goes, busky just went ahead, adventured out there.
|
| - days passed, - months followed, - busky trekkin,
|
| combing through the forest for internet, asking questions,
| turning up nothing
|
| "wheretf is it?"
|
| long story cut short,
|
| encounters happened,. trying times & tribulation .. tests
| vanquished, all passed, but all the same.
|
| nonetheless, no trace of internet. and so it goes, busky went all
| across canada, through alaska, reached china, crossed russia,
| ended up back in canada.
|
| "wtf?!"
|
| it'd been years hence but suddenly, busky was back at his home
| dam.
|
| & some m th r f ck r z had laid fiber optics across it?
|
| "fk that."
|
| busky had beaver mouth, could back his own talk when it came to
| chewing. & so, busky cut through the fiber optics, in minutes.
| next thing, WWW in BC, went bust.
|
| and eventually birdys got word, talk traveled.
|
| happenstance cut fast,
|
| woodpecker pecked plaque but the lumberjacks are coming
|
| tbc .. (potentially)
|
| //* when you seek a teacher, one will show up next door;
| (something like that)
|
| also - not edited / just quick "flash" written.
|
| love hacker news / hope you enjoyed */
| doodlebugging wrote:
| I never thought I would see this place mentioned on HN. It is a
| fairly quiet place way up in British Columbia. When I was there a
| long time ago they had a nice self-contained town with
| skating/hockey rink, a Mountie station, a couple of streets
| through the middle of town with shopping for all the essentials,
| and gas stations and clubs near the outside of town. We would hit
| up that club that had beer, billiards, and karaoke for fun when
| we'd get the occasional chance to go into town.
|
| I worked on a drilling rig outside of town on the side of a
| mountain above timberline. It was beautiful country, absolutely
| fantastic. When I got there I thought about what a waste it was
| to be drilling in such a beautiful place with all the desolate
| places still available on earth and no guaranteed payout due to
| complex geology.
|
| Native wildlife wandered by camp and the location daily. Back
| then Canada really led the way with their environmental
| protections. All water related to drilling had to be contained on
| the location within a berm large enough to prevent escape. Vacuum
| trucks ran all day if necessary and when it did rain it was a 24
| hour a day job until the location was clear of pooled water that
| could escape into the clear creeks in the area. Solids control
| (handling drill cuttings) involved collection and compression of
| cuttings to remove fluids which were then chemically treated to
| restore their properties for reuse in drilling while the cuttings
| were pelletized for shipment offsite. I had never seen that in
| the US. They clearly had a commitment to environmental
| protection.
|
| Years later the Harper government came in and eliminated some of
| those protections to favor production, especially of their vast
| oil sands resources.
|
| When I was in college, those oil sands were given as an example
| of one of the largest petroleum deposits on earth. The case was
| made that they would never fully be developed since the oil had
| lost all the lighter fraction and it was necessary to inject
| steam to recover from most of the sands. This was an expensive
| process wasting and polluting huge quantities of water, but it
| was also something that would forever destroy a huge region and
| render the water undrinkable. The projection back then was that
| it would take sustained $80/bbl oil for it to be economical since
| the process was so expensive.
|
| Fast forward a couple decades and everything has ramped up due to
| oil price increases driven largely by a switch from demand
| pricing in the markets to speculative pricing and you see the
| resulting devastation they have wrought on the area.
|
| Pretty sad. I hate that my career has enabled bullshit like this.
| All those places I visited and came to love have been destroyed
| by an industry full of liars who value integrity only when it
| involves keeping an industry secret and encourage the opposite
| when the truth could cause your business model financial
| problems.
|
| Tumbler Ridge has some really nice waterfalls nearby if you ever
| visit and it is not far from other places worth seeing. I took
| all the time when I should've been in camp sleeping for the next
| tour (shift) and drove out to Chetwynd, Dawson Creek, Fort St
| John and other places so I could see things that I felt I would
| never again have the opportunity to see. I saw the color change
| from summer to fall colors as it spread across the landscape,
| watched trees lose their leaves, felt the first unexpected
| snowfall as it buried our gear under 3 feet of fresh snow, I
| jumped off a snow cornice and slid down the side of the mountain
| on my chest using my feet as steering so I could dodge all the
| obvious rocks. I watched a grizzly walk down the same valley I
| had just crossed and pause to sniff the wind when he caught my
| trail.
|
| I know they'll get the problem fixed. This just brought back so
| much.
| guardiangod wrote:
| Beavers have been making a comeback to downtown Vancouver after a
| 60 years hiatus. They've been milling about Stanley Park (a major
| park beside downtown) and set up dens in the park's river system.
|
| https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/animals/beavers-stanley-p...
| jakeinspace wrote:
| This makes me inexplicably happy. For whatever reason, any story
| about wild animals wreaking havoc on our fiddly human
| contrivances is incredibly amusing. I'm sure there's a literary
| or philosophical term that captures this feeling. This applies
| doubly so for beavers. I can't quite put my finger on the reason
| for that; maybe it's because they're so busy and determined, to
| the extent that all their accidental floodings and property
| destruction feel entirely intentional and premeditated.
| gregsadetsky wrote:
| It makes me think of the recent "Nature is healing" memes
| (sometimes "Nature is healing, we are the virus"), i.e. Nature
| is taking back what humans assumed was theirs to keep.
|
| https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emmanuelfelton/coronavi...
|
| I agree that the "cute/relentless" combo of beavers is quite
| comical..! See:
|
| https://www.irishtimes.com/news/beavers-continue-relentless-...
| adventured wrote:
| It makes me think of how anti-human, self-hatred focused (all
| notions that humans are a virus derive from self-hatred
| first, without exception), and irrational those memes are,
| since humans are nature. Anything we do and anything we
| build, is nature in action.
| vernie wrote:
| I wonder if it coincides with antinatalist attitudes.
| 6510 wrote:
| What kind of adversary is mother nature expecting that she
| would spawn such monstrosities? It seems like the most
| serious case of paranoia. I feel like a means of mass
| producing bad ideas now.
| trhway wrote:
| >a Canadian- made steel trap, pulling it out of the water
|
| even at this day and age we're still doing that cruelty of
| subjecting the animals to the hours/days long medieval
| torture.
| viciousvoxel wrote:
| perhaps not the precise term, but "wabi-sabi" comes to mind;
| something like the beauty of nature, the impermanence of
| things, and decay; i.e., an appreciation of nature's tendency
| towards maximal entropy. also the phrase, "the best laid plans
| of mice and men."
| jakeinspace wrote:
| I think that's very close, thank you.
| sigg3 wrote:
| Most of humanity, for most of our existence, have been and are
| "busy and determined" though.
|
| It's easy to forget, but we really should not.
| slver wrote:
| I have to admit "happy" was not a word I expected to see in
| this thread.
| viraptor wrote:
| > I'm sure there's a literary or philosophical term that
| captures this feeling.
|
| It's not 100% that, but "schadenfreude" comes close.
| kefabean wrote:
| This reminds me of my neighbour's recent problem with his fibre
| (to the premises) broadband here in the UK. After losing
| internet connectivity, he eventually managed to get a BT
| Openreach engineer out only to discover the overhead cables had
| been chewed through presumably by a grey squirrel. Apparently
| they have a taste for something in the outer casing..
| jakeinspace wrote:
| Of course, being a cute and silly looking creature doesn't hurt
| either
| zeeshanqureshi wrote:
| It's a 3-day galactic space journey!
| Larrikin wrote:
| My first reading thought it would be an imagined Tumblr page
| involving beavers if Tumblr existed in BC times
| dylan604 wrote:
| This will probably be the most Canadian thing you'll read all
| day.
| edoceo wrote:
| Maple Syrup (sorry)
| cmrdporcupine wrote:
| The most fascinating fact about this is that this northern B.C.
| community has a fibre optic link. I live 5 minutes from town in
| Ontario in one of the highest populated metro regions in the
| world and I don't even have DSL.
| SECProto wrote:
| You'd be suffering from the last mile [1] problem. Tumbler
| Ridge likely got the fibre connection due to some
| industrial/govt user (the museum? the former mine? the
| archaelogists?), and delivering fibre to other households would
| be a weeks work which might just make sense to do while the
| crews are already out there.
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_mile
| dleslie wrote:
| There's fibre all over rural/semi-rural BC; internet access
| was mandated by the regulator, and the old copper lines
| needed replacing, so Telus went fibre to the door.
| dleslie wrote:
| Rural and semi-rural BC have fibre whereas most of Vancouver
| doesn't; it's a quirk of circumstance, really. They replaced
| rural copper lines with fibre and just went fibre to the door,
| whereas urban copper is resilient and competes with cable
| internet; and it's expensive to run fibre into appartment
| buildings after they've been built. Access availability in
| remote areas was mandated by the CRTC.
|
| I lived outside of Nanaimo and we had cable internet in 1996,
| before Quake was released! Much of the mainland didn't get
| cable until a little while later.
| floathub wrote:
| After everyone had politely to apologized to each other, and to
| the Beaver, they had a few Nanaimo Bars and all was well.
| [deleted]
| SassyGoose wrote:
| Great, now we have to start taking beavers into account too.
| Squirrels were a known cyber threat: https://cybersquirrel1.com/
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