[HN Gopher] 4chan founder Chris Poole has left Google
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4chan founder Chris Poole has left Google
Author : b5
Score : 187 points
Date : 2021-04-23 16:28 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| ibn-python wrote:
| Him becoming a PM for Google Maps seems surprising to me
| considering his entrepreneurial background, but I can't deny I've
| also considered making the jump now and then from The dev life
| rodolphoarruda wrote:
| > "Him becoming a PM for Google Maps seems surprising to me
| considering his entrepreneurial background (...)"
|
| Yes. This is an extraordinary business case for strategic HCM
| discussions.
| yaacov wrote:
| I don't know what that means, can you elaborate?
| phonethrowaway wrote:
| human capital management
| rubyist5eva wrote:
| I didn't even know moot was there to begin with.
| cavisne wrote:
| " Poole lasted just five years at Google, which CNBC notes is
| usually just long enough for any employee's shares attached to
| hiring to vest. It sounds like Poole never found a solid landing
| spot at Google, as he had three different positions during his
| five years."
|
| Lol such a dishonest representation of FANG employment. Well
| above average (2 years) a year past the vesting cliff, and about
| average in terms of team switches
| joshuamorton wrote:
| > Well above average (2 years) a year past the vesting cliff
|
| This is sort of misleading. The 2 year quote often thrown
| around is a measure of the average tenure of current employees
| at the company, not a measure of the average tenure of people
| leaving.
|
| I like to note that a company with exponential growth (and all
| of the major tech firms, excepting perhaps microsoft since it's
| been around longer count here) can have a seemingly low tenure
| by that first metric even if no one has ever left the company.
| dang wrote:
| That was from https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/04/4chan-
| founder-chris-.... We've since changed the URL - see
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26916649
|
| That spin had so much torque I'm surprised the article stayed
| motionless.
| staticassertion wrote:
| 5 years at Google is forever, and it's not uncommon at all for
| people to jump around projects at the company. It's also a full
| year beyond what's necessary to vest. Really silly way to write
| that.
| lucb1e wrote:
| European here - what's it mean to vest shares? It sounds like
| some sort of stock options became unlocked? I haven't heard
| of this thing before, just of stocks being part of salary for
| small startups that don't have actual money to pay you (or at
| least, that's what I've heard warnings for on HN).
| johnzim wrote:
| Yep - your options trickle in over a vesting period.
|
| Typically there's also a 'Cliff' at the start - a period
| during which no options are available to you.
|
| addendum: the 'standard' Silicon Valley stock option deal
| is: 4 year vest, 1 year cliff.
|
| Eg: first 12 months, no options
|
| Day 1 of 13th month - 25% of your options are available to
| you
|
| Then the rest of the 3 years vest at a regular pace with
| the remaining 75% of your options dropping on a monthly
| cadence
|
| The exception being Amazon who basically give you nothing
| for 2 years and then ramp up significantly.
| joshuamorton wrote:
| Worth noting that Google and Facebook no longer have a
| cliff, and Google has also started experimenting with
| frontloading your initial vest (something like
| 40/30/20/10) to avoid the "dreaded" fifth year drop.
| sixstringtheory wrote:
| Yep you got it. Usually you vest 25% of your hiring offer
| per year, so after four years you're fully vested. Some
| companies skew it towards later in the four year period to
| keep folks from jumping ship after the first payout
| ("golden handcuffs"). I've seen Amazon's stock vesting
| schedule set at 5-15-40-40.
| anonuser123456 wrote:
| Big corps pay RSUs as part of your compensation package.
|
| This helps them reduce compensation during hard times.
| Salaries are very sticky; it's hard to cut salaries. So
| they offer RSU comp because it's tied to stock price. When
| the company is doing poorly, they can pay less. But it also
| lets the pay high compensation and retain long term talent.
| subsubzero wrote:
| depends, for a public company like google when you get
| hired in addition to base salary you may get a yearly bonus
| and also RSUs which are free google shares, dispersed
| evenly over 4 years. When you get to year 1 at the company
| you get the first years shares(1 year vested) deposited in
| your brokerage account, and then they "vest" and are given
| to you on a quarterly cadence until the 4 years are up(if
| you are employed the entire time).
|
| In addition to the initial grant at year 2 during your
| review some employees get more shares on top of the initial
| grant(that vest over a certain time frame, usually 2-4
| years), these are called stacking RSU grants and its why
| people stay at FANG companies a long time as these grants
| stack higher and higher all the while your career
| progresses and the company stock goes higher.
| Graffur wrote:
| Crazy that he is 'Google caliber'. Kinda reduces the allure of
| the Googler tbh
|
| How he avoid cancel culture is beyond me
| andrewmcwatters wrote:
| It's hilarious after all these years shitty journalists still
| believe Anonymous is a hacker group rather than just some kids
| trolling.
|
| I mean imagine if Facebook had the option to be anonymous somehow
| on their platform and called everyone Unnamed who hadn't finished
| their registration or didn't want to.
|
| You'd see Unnamed responsible for nation-state sponsored
| terrorism and manipulating the votes of other countries. What a
| joke.
| cl0ne wrote:
| "the hacker known as 4chan"
| cygx wrote:
| Curious definition of 'kids trolling', I have to say.
|
| DDoS attacks as well as actual hacks were performed in the name
| of 'Anonymous', and at the time of the Stratfor hack, various
| LulzSec members were already in their late twenties...
| johngehrig wrote:
| Long time HN lurker here -- I find the mention that he was a PM
| with Google Maps to be particularly interesting. In case it has
| gone unnoticed, "Google Maps" and Google's associated business
| product "Google My Business" appear to be silently being
| developed into Google's successor product for Google+. Google My
| Business now allows business owners to "post" updates to their
| Google Business listing which appear on Google Maps as posts
| "From the owner," and, once posted, users with Google Accounts
| can interact with and "share" these posts. Google My Business
| also appears to be replacing Google Beacon, a physical device
| once needed for location-based ad-targeting, now deprecated in
| favor of directing businesses to connect their Google My Business
| listing to their Google Ads (AdWords) account.
| WanderPanda wrote:
| And there is also this thing (don't recall its name) where
| celebs can post short stories now, answering e.g. questions
| [deleted]
| Apocryphon wrote:
| What did he actually do there?
| hatsunearu wrote:
| PM for google maps
| adamrezich wrote:
| seems like, initially, they hoped he'd help make Google+ the
| Next Big Thing
| zamadatix wrote:
| "Google hired Poole in 2016 to work on the company's doomed
| social media project, Google+... After Google+, Poole
| apparently joined Google's experimental "Area 120" group and
| eventually moved on to be a product manager for Google Maps."
| jandrese wrote:
| An uncharitable opinion might be that Google hired someone
| with previous social media experience in a last ditch effort
| to figure out a way to make Google+ a success.
| at_a_remove wrote:
| M00t did have a greatly contrasting view to The Zuck. The
| Zuck -- one identity, one you. M00t talked about "facets,"
| a face you show, just one plane out of the multihedron of
| You. It's a bit more than Billy Joel's "The Stranger," is
| the "you" that you bring to work, or maybe just the one you
| show your boss. The Zuck just had everything all out there
| for everyone. M00t's insight is that people really really
| did not want to do that, everything from your personal
| political leanings to not wanting your grandmother to know
| about your fursona.
|
| It is a smart hire in that aspect, but Google+ was going to
| be an also-ran and I don't think M00t alone could save it.
| jandrese wrote:
| I guess Google+'s "circles" concept would be helpful in
| maintaining different facets, but ultimately all social
| media is public so that's kind of a silly thing to even
| try to do.
|
| If you don't want your wild Fursona to be associated with
| the same account that you use for your highly
| conservative church groups then putting them on the same
| account is not a good idea.
| [deleted]
| meepmorp wrote:
| How's that uncharitable? That's probably why the hired him.
| jandrese wrote:
| It paints a picture of a panicked Google exec going "oh
| shit G+ is swirling the drain, is there anybody at all
| with successful social media experience that can save
| it?"
|
| Then they hire the first guy they find, even though his
| site and G+ are almost polar opposites. G+ fails shortly
| afterward.
|
| Not exactly a fair assessment of the situation.
| vmception wrote:
| weird article, who cares? I care enough to point out the
| following:
|
| like literally what is the point of this to lead people to talk
| about unrelated aspects of 4chan and _maybe_ how that influenced
| his time at Google
|
| but the article describes an extremely normal and extremely
| extended time at Google
|
| what...?
| fudged71 wrote:
| The topic of him working at Google came up very recently. Is that
| why he's leaving?
| moksly wrote:
| It's interesting to see how Moot gets the blame for the all the
| things that happened after he sold off 4chan.
|
| Especially when you consider how anonymous and the occupy
| movements were all the rage among woke leftists a few years back,
| and they originated from 4chan.
| moate wrote:
| 1- who the hell is "Moot"? 2- Back in the moot-run days of
| 4chan, it really was a completely different world. All the
| weird meme-culture we have now started there. /b/ was both the
| greatest and worst thing simultaneously. You had literal nazis
| and neckbeards working together to dox pedos. It was just a
| completely different place from what it's become all these
| years later.
| filoleg wrote:
| Since your (1) went unanswered, Moot is Chris Poole's online
| handle (on 4chan specifically, which is somewhat special,
| given that users on 4chan usually post anonymously) that he
| was mostly known by before becoming a semi-celebrity.
| cygx wrote:
| That was a rhetorical question, pointing out the incorrect
| capitalization...
| moksly wrote:
| I think the internet is just different. Content creation has
| become something people do in pursuit of profit rather than
| something they do out of interest or just the lulz.
|
| People don't spend 9 days creating the perfect YTMND thing
| because they can spend that time on Instagram, YouTube or
| whatever in pursuit of enough fame to create a career out of
| it.
|
| The only reason we still have so many memes and so many (less
| than an A4 page) blog posts is because of how little effort
| it requires with modern tech.
|
| I think 4chan is actually one of the places that has changed
| the least. I mean, /b/ without talented users is just 100%
| shit instead of only being 99% shit, but /tg/ is exactly the
| way I left it a decade ago.
| Blikkentrekker wrote:
| It feels as though "internet culture" of the old days have
| been limited excessively, and the entire internet been left
| beholden to the standards of U.S.A. professionalism, indeed
| because of profits, because the advertiser so demands it.
|
| Boards have increasingly enacted rules to cater to
| advertisers as they found out that simple word filters to
| stop "bad words" from being mentioned improve their
| advertisement revenue.
|
| I remember _Reddit_ when the purpose of the voting system
| was encouraging a laid-back approach by moderators on the
| logic that objectionable content would be downvoted, and
| hidden, so that those who did not wish to see it could
| ignore it, but that 's long gone now, and moderators are
| highly zealous and on top of that one has the hivemind
| voting system to deal with.
|
| Internet indeed became a pursuit of profit, rather than
| memes for fun.
|
| And indeed _4chan_ never bowed to advertisers and
| consequently actually is not that profitable despite being
| one of the largest websites.
|
| The culture on, say, _IRC_ channels which do not rely on
| advertisement is very different from on websites that do
| and typically enforce various language filters.
| moate wrote:
| I completely agree. The internet is a completely different
| space from where it was 20 years ago. Tech ate everything,
| so everything is the internet now.
|
| Back then we cheered when "legit" tech appreciated those of
| us from the backwater meme-world by hiring our "leader".
| Now it seems like tons of people get into things with that
| as the goal.
| redwall_hp wrote:
| > I think the internet is just different. Content creation
| has become something people do in pursuit of profit rather
| than something they do out of interest or just the lulz.
|
| This is something I've been kind of depressed about lately.
| I grew up with the internet of the early 2000s, through the
| blog boom and the early days of YouTube. I used RSS, and
| was into things like Creative Commons and GPL. Free culture
| stuff. We had a wealth of cool things that people were
| making _just because they wanted to_ , and crass commercial
| motive was hardly something that crossed peoples' mind.
| Just as app stores killed free web games (far more than the
| demise of Flash), the growing commercialization of the Web
| has eroded the wonderful mashup culture that permeated it.
|
| I've been thinking about it a bit lately because I got
| turned onto actually listening to Hatsune Miku music, and
| it's a terrific example of what once was: remixing, memetic
| evolution and building something bigger collaboratively.
| (Miku has been vaguely on my radar all along, but I never
| bothered to give the stuff a fair chance until I realized a
| Wagakki Band song I liked was a cover of one of the most
| popular vocaloid songs, Senbonzakura.)
|
| * The Leakspin meme was a thing in the early 2000s,
| combining the Finnish folk song Ievan Polkka with a random
| anime clip. That was all over the place back then, and I
| wasn't even a 4chan user.
|
| * Some guy in Japan used the relatively new synth voice
| bank VC01 Hatsune Miku to release a sort of cover of Ievan
| Polkka, including a silly redrawing of the box art, which
| blew up on the Japanese streaming site Niconico and later
| made it onto YouTube. Which has lead to the character being
| associated with leaks/spring onions. [1]
|
| * Someone else made the song "Nyanyanyanyanyanyanya" with
| the same voice, which was later covered with another synth
| voice and then paired with a now famous animation of a pop
| tart cat. [2]
|
| * The growing "memetic velocity" surrounding a character
| derived from a synth voice and the anime art on the box it
| came in resulted in an absolutely fascinating music scene
| where synth artists bill themselves as producers and give a
| performance credit to the synth, releasing their amateur
| music for free on video sites (and sometimes getting album
| deals as they grew in popularity). And eventually you get a
| worldwide phenomenon with global tours of a hologram
| performing with a live band, drawing from thousands of
| songs and visual artwork created by whoever wants to
| contribute. A "wiki celebrity," so to speak.
|
| Kind of random, I guess, but reading up on how that all
| connects (and was going on in the background of related
| memes that I was aware of) has kind of restored my faith in
| the Internet. I think that if you get enough creative
| people together, you're going to end up with some cool
| stuff. The question remains, though...would it happen
| today? (And if not, what do we need to torch to fix it?)
|
| [1]
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatsune_Miku#Cultural_impact
|
| [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyan_Cat
| khazhoux wrote:
| Only met him briefly and spent about an hour with him, but he
| left a huge impression. Great guy, and good luck to him on
| whatever's next!
| AzzieElbab wrote:
| It is amazing how consistently tech journalists manage to outdo
| mainstream journalists in incompetence and ill intent
| newsclues wrote:
| I miss canv.as
| adamrezich wrote:
| canv.as always seemed like a great idea, ahead of its time, as
| far as letting people make memes easier... but now, flash
| forward to today, and original content on 4chan is at a
| proportional all-time low. users there always say things like
| "someone take this image and shop [x] in" instead of doing it
| themselves in mspaint.
| dfxm12 wrote:
| Unfortunately, this happens in all kinds of communities,
| physical and digital. A place is hip because creative types
| concentrate there, contribute to each other, pushing each
| other's boundaries to create new things. Consumers notice
| these new things, come in to consume, but make no effort to
| contribute back to the community. The creatives eventually
| move on either because they've become unwelcome or realize
| they have not much new to learn, and the consumers are left
| behind wondering why their community doesn't feel hip any
| more.
|
| I never try to take for granted when I'm involved in artists'
| spaces, FOSS projects, hacker spaces, etc. The point is to
| continue a cycle of learning and contributing back, not
| consume until all the resources are sucked dry...
| koboll wrote:
| Same. Managed to capture the creative aspects of 4chan meme
| culture without the toxicity. I loved creating memes there. I
| had a little following too. Then it died and it all went up in
| smoke and there's nowhere else like it.
| russdpale wrote:
| Literal definition of failing upwards. He isn't a boy genuis, he
| copied code from japanese websites and then fostered one of the
| most toxic communities in human history. At google, he took a job
| from someone who was almost certainly way more qualified, both
| technically and morally.
| chad_strategic wrote:
| > At google, he took a job from someone who was almost
| certainly way more qualified, both technically and morally.
|
| Get the impression you work at google?
| chad_strategic wrote:
| I'm always perplexed that I get down-voted. Seems like a
| reasonable question. The reason I asked the question, well
| because I was curious to see if the commentator had more in
| depth insight into the google / Moot issue.
|
| Google seems to make a ton of money in advertising, etc. But
| it can't seem to create a social media network that anybody
| want to use.
|
| I'm not exactly sure that a commenter has the ability to
| judge someone's experience and potential job performance. It
| also sound a little bitter and not support with any facts to
| support the claim.
|
| I don't know Chris Moot and know a little bit about 4chan.
| I'm not a big fan of google either.
|
| It seems like Google execs wanted to hire what they thought
| was the hot new star. You see this happen a lot in Hollywood.
| If you can't produce new ideas from within your organization,
| it smart to out source that talent.
|
| Those execs that probably dropped a lot of money Moot are
| probably out of a job as well.
| russdpale wrote:
| No, I don't work and google and wouldn't work at google, but
| I know a lot of people who do.
| slackfan wrote:
| For as much as I disagree with this comment, it also isn't
| really wrong.
| [deleted]
| beervirus wrote:
| Why would you disagree with something that isn't wrong?
| moate wrote:
| I think this is a real Columbus Egg situation. There was no
| Reddit when 4chan popped up. It was 2003. As much as /b/ was
| an ocean of piss, so much of what we now consider "internet
| culture" consolidated or spawned there.
|
| Of course parts of it were absolutely terrible then, but to
| distill it down solely to OP's post is a lot of selective
| editing.
| selimthegrim wrote:
| Let's not let Lowtax off scot-free here, even if he is a
| documented horrible human being SA deserves some share of
| the credit.
| moate wrote:
| I mean there's a handful of sites you could point to that
| were also important, but the point was a 2 sentence
| description of 4chan's cultural significance and
| importance is lazybad. It feels particularly lame on a
| site called "hackernews".
| Lammy wrote:
| They are talking about Lowtax/SomethingAwful because
| 4chan was a direct outgrowth of the
| ADTRW/SADCHUB/RaspberryHeaven communities that discovered
| 2ch and world2chan around 2003. Its OP was edited in 2007
| and I assume the original is lost, but here's the 82-page
| 4chan announcement thread on ADTRW originally posted in
| September 2003: https://forums.somethingawful.com//showth
| read.php?threadid=7...
|
| A lot of 4chan's initial userbase and staying power came
| from SA banning a big chunk of that community earlier in
| 2003 over differing cultural standards between their
| subcommunity and the SA admins: https://forums.somethinga
| wful.com/showthread.php?threadid=42...
| faeriechangling wrote:
| What does qualified mean to you? If he received "formal
| education".
|
| Moot for better or for worse held together one of the larger
| sites on the internet while managing a team of mods and the
| simple fact that 4chsn was never shut down is in itself an
| achievement. I have a hard trouble not seeing him as having
| serious management chops. He frankly is probably more qualified
| than many people who got into Google for little reason other
| than excellence at math puzzles and formal education which are
| hilariously mediocre qualifiers.
| AllegedAlec wrote:
| Holy shit imagine this salty about a guy who admined a
| Czechoslovakian turnip farming forum.
| goldenchrome wrote:
| Imagine being salty about a guy who rarely posted on a
| Martian chicken breeding forum
| at_a_remove wrote:
| "Toxic," that wound up over a Bulgarian dog-spinning board.
| Whew.
| aeturnum wrote:
| I imagine Moot wasn't hired for technical skill exactly, but
| for his years of experience trying to shape a difficult
| community. I'd be interested in a breakdown of how Moot
| "fostered" the toxic aspects of 4chan. One could say that any
| anonymous community will be toxic and harmful to the general
| world, but that feels like a conclusion that is drawn after
| watching 4chan metastasize.
| formerly_proven wrote:
| Claiming 4chan is a uniform community is like saying Reddit
| users form a coherent community.
| krapp wrote:
| >like saying Reddit users form a coherent community
|
| Which, let's be fair, people do all the time, especially
| here.
|
| Also, plenty of people who frequent 4chan and defend it
| against criticism often speak of its culture and how
| outsiders don't understand its quirks, so clearly it does
| have something of a coherent community.
| SyzygistSix wrote:
| To the extent that the medium is the message, forums do
| encourage certain types and qualities of interaction. In
| that way, many, many subreddits are alike and there is a
| single culture to it.
|
| Also the larger a community gets, the more mediocre and
| average it becomes and the more the culture that is
| reinforced by the medium comes to the fore.
| Oddskar wrote:
| Couldn't the same thing largely be said about any major
| social network? Facebook isn't really a uniform community I
| would argue, nor is Whatsapp. Sure they have certain
| demographics that are larger than others and so on, but so
| does 4chan and reddit.
| dang wrote:
| Please don't post personal attacks to HN. Whether or not you
| owe $person better, you owe this community better if you're
| participating in it.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
| devenblake wrote:
| > Poole's 4chan is an anonymous, ephemeral imageboard that is
| often given the title "cesspool of the Internet." The site is
| broken up into boards of various topics, and some of the more
| lawless boards are home to all of the worst characters on the
| Internet, like school shooters, child pornographers, and racists.
| It's also the birthplace of a lot of Internet culture, like
| Rickrolling, lolcats, and, more recently, Pepe the frog memes and
| the alt-right. The site gave rise to the Internet hacktivist
| group Anonymous and is often used as a dumping ground for various
| hacks like the Nintendo Gigaleak. Poole sold 4chan back in 2015,
| a year before joining Google.
|
| I don't think it's fair to say this without clarifying that a lot
| of the Q and other deranged stuff started happening after moot
| left. Nor is Pepe really a recent meme (somewhere I have Pepes
| saved from like the mid '00s), nor is Anonymous really a _group_
| (but that 's questionable and a debate that isn't really
| relevant)... I know there's very little expectations when it
| comes to reporting on web subcultures but come on, this is common
| knowledge (maybe that's why it isn't clarified?).
| bigth wrote:
| Quality of reporting on arstechnica has notably gone down over
| the years, while bias has visibly gone up.
| throwaway823882 wrote:
| The only thing common about knowledge or sense is that most
| people don't have it
| LinuxBender wrote:
| I think it's also worth adding that the memes didn't even
| really start on 4chan. They mostly started on ytmnd and then
| 4chans beta site started on servers that belonged to ytmnd/max.
| 4chan did however lower the bar to entry for sharing memes.
| Making gifs/mp3's for ytmnd was a put-off to many.
| pavel_lishin wrote:
| > _I know there 's very little expectations when it comes to
| reporting on web subcultures but come on, this is common
| knowledge_
|
| To you and I, maybe! But even arstechnica's readership may not
| be aware of all this stuff.
| base698 wrote:
| Because articles are meant to sell ads through sensationalism
| not to inform?
|
| Propaganda to teach that anything free is dirty/salacious to
| keep people in their walled gardens.
| Lammy wrote:
| Needs moar yellow van
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=128IR21ZQa0
| neartheplain wrote:
| It's worth noting that the Pepe meme has continued to evolve,
| and is no longer associated solely or primarily with 4chan. The
| streamer community in particular has adopted, rehabiliated, and
| popularized Pepe as a mascot and chat emote. For example,
| here's Pepe and the "poggers" meme in a recent stream from
| Pokimane, a streamer with over 7 million followers who made
| Forbes' 2021 30 under 30 list:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETBUJkVMnpc&t=70s
| watwut wrote:
| The original author of Pepe put some work into deassociating
| it from Pepe The Meme. He hated the while thing.
| cl0ne wrote:
| Yeah, I talked with Matt about it at a party around the
| time he was going into lawsuits with Alex Jones and some
| alt-right people. He's a really nice dude. He hadn't been
| very familiar with 4chan before Pepe became a meme and was
| bummed that Pepe was being branded a hate symbol since he's
| writing children's books now. #savepepe
| Ataraxy wrote:
| It was a big thing on Twitch long before any of the negative
| associations were made with it via media.
| throwaway3699 wrote:
| Yup. The GPs viewpoint could only have been discovered
| without firsthand knowledge of the situation.
| coliveira wrote:
| Why do you think this is not relevant? Everything that came out
| of 4chan is not a surprise, it was accepted there from the very
| beginning. It just took proportions that nobody would expect.
| nemothekid wrote:
| The reason I think it isn't relevant is I think 4chan would
| be different if moot stuck around. moot had a sort of
| dictatorship power that allowed him to kill trends - for
| example GamerGate "died" on 4chan (leading to 8chan and
| friends) because moot decided one day that GamerGate was done
| on 4chan. I can't say for sure what 4chan would look like but
| I felt moot had a more tasteful and less ideological driven
| approach to running 4chan.
|
| There was an article in Motherboard[1] how /pol/ is being
| idealogically driven due to moderation choices. I don't
| believe moot would have allowed such an ideologically driven
| moderation changes to continue for so long. (IIRC, moot had
| deleted /pol/ twice, once as /n/ which he removed for being
| too much like stormfront).
|
| [1] https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7aap8/the-man-who-
| helped-tu...
| devenblake wrote:
| I meant the Anonymous group/movement/"which group?"/whatever
| debate is a bag of beans to be spilled another time.
| [deleted]
| makomk wrote:
| Media reporting on anything involving 4chan has always been
| terrible. I remember a story about, I think, Emma Watson that
| turned out to be literally fake news - as in, it came from an
| already documented fake news site run by a known serial hoaxer,
| was laundered into legitimacy by increasingly reputable
| publications, and eventually ended up being reported as true
| everywhere including places like the BBC.
| beaconstudios wrote:
| you'd think this would be common knowledge given 4chan is
| literally an open website, but I always hear these mythologised
| recountings of it like it's some kind of mysterious
| inaccessible cult. It's just reddit for people who hate reddit.
| throwaway0a5e wrote:
| "Reddit without the good manners"
| whymauri wrote:
| >like it's some kind of mysterious inaccessible cult.
|
| It's pretty interesting, because as long as I've been
| conscious on the Internet it's always been posed as an
| 'inaccessible cult.' Probably due to all the inside jokes, I
| guess?
| superflit wrote:
| The 'inaccessible cult.' is about the structure of the
| board.
|
| First time you go there is a Chaotic mess that feels you
| went back to 90's.
|
| Then in shock you start to see the subs like /pol/ then you
| click and bam More chaos.
|
| Threads and threads you are more lost.
|
| Then you click catalog and set order Reply-by-count.
|
| Then it does start to make sense. You read people talking
| in two ways. On the text and on the image attached.
|
| It is full-duplex com.
|
| In the 90's I used to read my Mainstream media + Pravda
| (the other side) jornal.
|
| Now I read the local MSM and 4chan (the other side )
| jornal.
| the_lonely_road wrote:
| I made it to the site finally and but I got wrecked by
| step 2. Where is /pol? There is no politics section
| listed under Boards except "Politically Incorrect" which
| can't be what you mean as I was immediately hit with the
| full n-word and wish I had used an incognito browser...
|
| Do many HN users actually frequent this website or should
| I be reinstalling my OS right about now??
| tudelo wrote:
| It's exactly the reason people complain about anonymous
| image boards. But that's what it is. Even the "SFW"
| boards are filled with stuff that you might find
| distasteful or downright wrong.
|
| You are safe... don't worry. Unless you started
| downloading stuff from random users on 4chan. But if you
| did that i'm not sure we can help you!
| lightspot21 wrote:
| yep - that's /pol/ - it stands for Politically Incorrect
|
| 4chan's indeed a cesspool, and /pol/, /b/, among some
| others are the worst. In fact, they're called
| "containment boards" for this very reason.
| dfxm12 wrote:
| _it 's always been posed as an 'inaccessible cult.'_
|
| You gotta ask yourself "by whom?". Actual users of the
| site, people having serious discussions about the site,
| writers of pop articles aimed at non-users of the site, or
| someone else?
|
| Even then, you have this conflation of /b/ (or I guess
| these days /pol/) and 4chan at large. Some communities are
| more welcoming than others.
| weeblewobble wrote:
| I haven't been on there in a long time, but I remember it
| being really really hard to use, especially for newcomers.
| Tons of random crap, no ranking or voting system to bubble up
| things that are worth reading, lots of gore (and worse),
| inside jokes, spam. That's why people think of it as
| mysterious and inaccessible.
| HerbMcM wrote:
| Anyone admitting that they browse 4chan risks losing social
| cachet. Risk is too great either in an internet forum or news
| articles. The recent Q documentary on HBO was refreshing in
| that the person doing it actually knew how to explain things
| even if it feels like it's filler though. Then again that's
| someone on HBO who's been given permission to be edgy (try
| pausing some of the posts in the first few minutes).
| newacct583 wrote:
| > It's just reddit for people who hate reddit.
|
| That's true on a technical level only. But culture matters.
|
| Attitudes like yours were why 4chan was such a surprise to
| the rest of us. The culture that we all thought was just
| "ironic" and "edgy" with its casual racism turned out to
| be... kinda actually racist when right wingers decided to
| weaponize xenophobia and bigotry. The groupthink of a bunch
| of almost-exclusively-male incels turned out to be hiding
| genuine misogyny once they had an enemy to point themselves
| at in gamergate.
|
| Culture matters. Being an "open website" just describes how
| it happens, not why.
| Rompect wrote:
| I wish there was a mainstream site which has 4chan anonymity
| and fast pace + reddit thread format. Both become hardly
| usable with either elitism, censorship and people who think
| upvotes matter or an absolute cancer to follow conversations
| in threads.
| JeremyBanks wrote:
| Without censorship... so you want a place with nazis?
| 'cause that's what happens.
| [deleted]
| lamp987 wrote:
| This If people's opinions arent watched, selected and
| filtered, we might get another third reich soon.
| therouwboat wrote:
| "You gotta let nazis be a little nazi, otherwise they are
| going to start killing people again."
| at_a_remove wrote:
| Indeed, we need a strong regime to overlook and approve
| everything, on each and every commentary platform, to
| make sure that wrongthink does not occur, otherwise, we
| might have a totalitari- oops, too late.
|
| Nothing has more of a "Whoever fights monsters ..." vibe
| than the endless fixation on Nazis. I suppose we will
| have to amend the Four Horsemen of the Infoacalypse from
| "drug-dealers, money-launderers, terrorists, and
| pedophiles." My vote is that we put "Nazis" in place of
| "terrorists," given that a well-known anti-DDoS service
| decided to revoke protections for Stormfront while still
| providing services at the time to ISIS. Yes, that ISIS,
| the slow-motion, lovingly filmed execution of infidels
| ISIS.
| SyzygistSix wrote:
| Yeah... you just have to make sure the solution isn't
| worse than the problem. This works okay for a forum or a
| private club. Not so much the world at large.
|
| Because it never stops at just filtering out the Nazis.
| mrkstu wrote:
| Without censorship... so you want communist pinkos? Cause
| that's how you get communist pinkos.
| leetcrew wrote:
| assuming this is in good faith, please take a look at
| this list of banned subreddits:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_commun
| iti...
|
| though the world is probably better off without a lot of
| those, they are not all literal nazi subs.
| whymauri wrote:
| GP is probably referring to Voat, which was a Reddit
| alternative with less censorship that went down the
| gutter within a year.
| jandrese wrote:
| It won't be 100% Nazis. You'll also have the spammers,
| pedos, and assorted wingnuts.
|
| Trolls can always take over unmoderated forums because
| while they can drive the reasonable users out by reducing
| the signal to noise ratio down to a useless level, the
| reasonable users have no power drive them out. It's a
| completely imbalanced power dynamic. All forums need some
| sort of moderation or they will always collapse once they
| grow beyond a fairly modest threshold.
| leetcrew wrote:
| "reasonable users" is doing a lot of work here. not
| everyone desires the same level of discourse you do on
| every site they visit. /b/ has just about the bare
| minimum level of moderation needed to comply with US law
| and a lot of people seem to enjoy using it.
| jandrese wrote:
| /b/ is a good example of a forum that is only trolls at
| this point, and as you note it does have some moderation.
|
| Some of the other forums on 4chan might be better
| examples, but even those have some moderation. Forums
| like /tg/ have managed to hang on alright, although their
| total post volume per day is quite small compared to /b/.
| leetcrew wrote:
| > /b/ is a good example of a forum that is only trolls at
| this point
|
| and some people enjoy that. you don't have to go there if
| you aren't one of them.
|
| you're not describing some platonic ideal of an internet
| forum. you're just describing what you personally want
| out of one.
| jandrese wrote:
| Sure, if you want a forum that is only trolls then go
| ahead and leave it unmoderated. Just don't act surprised
| when suddenly Nazis show up.
| batch12 wrote:
| I built this [1] and took it down when I quickly realized I
| would not have the time or desire to devote to keeping it
| going.
|
| Edit- it had live (think chat room) but threaded comments
| and was anonymous (temporary, randomized identites)
|
| I haven't had the heart to completely decommission it yet
| so I've stood it back up so you can see what I am talking
| about .
|
| [1] https://blahalla.com
| ALittleLight wrote:
| This looks pretty neat. Two suggestions: show the room
| list on the home page and put the about stuff somewhere
| else. People will figure out what the site is by seeing
| or interacting and the faster they can the better.
|
| Second, names could be more distinct. The fact they all
| begin with the prefix "user" (from what I saw) is
| redundant. Could you mix and match from a short-words
| list to create unique and memorable names? e.g.
| RedFoxFun.
| batch12 wrote:
| Good ideas and both easy to implement. Thanks for the
| feedback
| edrxty wrote:
| That name is beautiful
| batch12 wrote:
| Thank you- names are the thing I am worst at I think.
| tomatotomato37 wrote:
| I'd even take an imageboard with reddit or HN moderation
| over the reddit-style of social media sites we have today.
| I'd even allow mandatory registration if the posts
| themselves are still anonymous to other users
|
| Anonymous posting prevents weird popularity cliches from
| taking over, and post linking via ID allows multiple
| conversations to flow much smoother than reddit's tree-
| structured comments. I'd also say that sequential ranking
| over popularity upvote would prevent as many low-effort hot
| takes/jokes from always being at the top of each thread,
| but I'm practice that doesn't really seem to play out like
| it should.
| obviouslynotme wrote:
| I think 4chan with only slight moderation would be
| amazing. Get rid of all porn and illegal stuff. Keep the
| rest. You could advertise and keep the FBI participation
| to a minimum.
| punchclockhero wrote:
| There's always been moderation for illegal content and
| the janitors do a good job deleting porn from the
| worksafe boards.
| batch12 wrote:
| yeah that's what I was aiming for, but without the images
| and karma-- that's why the users were temporary. No need
| to whore for internet approval because it really doesn't
| matter.
| cl0ne wrote:
| https://ratwires.space
|
| Anonymous textboard written in Crystal.
| [deleted]
| mhh__ wrote:
| > It's just reddit for people who hate reddit.
|
| Isn't that hackernews
| pix64 wrote:
| > > It's just reddit for people who hate reddit.
|
| It's just reddit for people who hate
| beaconstudios wrote:
| No hacker news is just reddit with a disdain for low effort
| jokes and a more technical/verbose focus. Most of the lame
| part of reddit culture is still here.
| VWWHFSfQ wrote:
| it's also hacker news for people who hate hacker news
| krapp wrote:
| That would be lobste.rs
| dariusj18 wrote:
| It's the internet for people who hate.
| [deleted]
| adamrezich wrote:
| he'd only been at Google for five years? seems like a lifetime
| ago!
| ericbarrett wrote:
| Chris Poole visited the Facebook campus in 2011, while he was
| still running 4chan, for an hour-long talk and some questions.
| About thirty engineers attended. The Anonymous hacks had been all
| over the news for the last year or so, so a couple of jokers
| showed up in Guy Fawkes masks, and kept them on for the whole
| thing.
|
| During the Q&A, Poole answered a question from one of the masked
| employees. After his answer, he asked, "Did that help, Steve?"
| Shocked, and no doubt a bit intimidated, the employee asked how
| Poole knew his name. His answer: "Well, I read your name on the
| badge clipped to your belt."
|
| Poole was smart and thoughtful and I was quite impressed (not
| just with his eye for detail). Not surprised he lasted so long at
| Google.
| zumu wrote:
| > Not surprised he lasted so long at Google.
|
| Is it hard to 'last' at google? I have never gotten that
| impression.
| causality0 wrote:
| The median tenure of a Google employee is 1.1 years.
| throwaway3699 wrote:
| Does that include contractors It's generally expected you
| spend six months just ramping up, so this number is really
| skeptical for me.
| mark_l_watson wrote:
| I heard that contractors last, on average, a few months
| longer than employees.
| Arcuru wrote:
| I'm fairly sure that these very low numbers for median
| tenure (not just for Google but the other tech companies as
| well) are a result of the huge percentage of new hires.
| That number does not mean that the average Google employee
| will only be at the company for 1.1 years.
|
| e.g. if nobody ever leaves the company, but you always
| double the number of employees every year by very
| aggressive hiring, the average tenure according to that
| metric is 1 year.
| ineedasername wrote:
| I don't think Google's hiring is increasing fast enough
| to explain the low rate. It looks like they increased
| about 10% from 2019 to 2020.
|
| However, it's also unclear exactly how 1.1 number is
| calculated. It looks like it comes from PayScale, which
| doesn't give, as far as I can tell, a methodology:
|
| Is that the median amount of time that all current
| employees have had with the company so far?
|
| Or is it the median of all of the employees that used to
| work there & moved on, which would exclude people that
| have continued to work there?
|
| Or is it some type of survival analysis that takes such
| factors into account?
| sushid wrote:
| It's anecdotal but my understanding as someone who hasn't
| worked there is it seems like either people leave < 2
| years or have no plans whatsoever of ever leaving.
| dmos62 wrote:
| Pretty strange place where the average employee is
| perpetually a new-comer. At least that's the picture this
| painted for me.
| rawtxapp wrote:
| Like someone pointed, majority of them are new employees.
| Most of my friends left around the 4 year mark when they
| hit the compensation cliff.
| mathattack wrote:
| That's tilted based on how much hiring they're doing. A
| company that nobody leaves that hires 100% new employees
| has a median tenure of 1 year. Even if the growth is 50%
| per year, your median tenure will be less than a year and a
| half no matter how much your turnover will be.
| [deleted]
| m_a_g wrote:
| Wow, I am surprised. Any ideas why so short?
| kyawzazaw wrote:
| Job hopping pays more? And also at Google, it is know to
| be promoted only with new launches.
| lozaning wrote:
| Only have to work there a day before you can quite and
| start referring to yourself as ex-FAANG
| tdeck wrote:
| At least in engineering that doesn't comport with my
| experience at all. I knew maybe a couple of people who left
| the company over 4 years. If anything people seem to stay
| much longer at Google.
| seriousquestion wrote:
| HBO's Silicon Valley even lampooned how easy it is to stick
| around, with "Big Head" and others hanging out on the roof
| all day.
|
| "Rest and Vest" is a thing.
| birdyrooster wrote:
| I spent four months at Google collecting double pay and
| stocks and had no responsibilities. They literally paid me
| to vacation (e.g. I went to visit Google Japan while
| chilling), rest and to enjoy life without work. I didn't
| like any of the other teams at Google which I was eligible
| for so I left for Apple.
| samspenc wrote:
| Could you clarify what you mean by "double pay"? Do you
| mean you 2x the hours you would normally have worked or
| something else I'm missing?
| birdyrooster wrote:
| It was salary, and it was a multiplier given on that base
| salary while we looked for other opportunities at Google.
| This is how they deal with folks who are left over after
| reorganizations or divestments.
| [deleted]
| yreg wrote:
| He was interviewed on TED around that time
|
| https://www.ted.com/talks/christopher_moot_poole_the_case_fo...
| Graffur wrote:
| Sorry but that story does not scream 'smart'
| blissofbeing wrote:
| "only five years" that's a long time in my opinion to be at one
| company.
| techsupporter wrote:
| Meanwhile, I've been at the same company for longer than a
| couple of my coworkers have been alive (though I've changed
| jobs twice in that time) so "only five years" sounds
| comparatively short to me.
| xtracto wrote:
| My wife has been at her current company (large like
| freescale, flexctronics, jabil) for 8 solid years , and she
| is still going strong.
|
| Meanwhile I've been at 4 startups, from seed to Series B . I
| just get bored so easy.. after 3 or so years I NEED a change.
| Or maybe is because startups dont care about w/l balance and
| drain you until you quit.
| datameta wrote:
| This is not a hot take - genuinely curious as someone who
| had been at a few startups: do you think the fintech side
| of startups embodies the burn and churn strategy moreso
| than other sectors?
| Graffur wrote:
| So you never stick around to see your production code?
| carabiner wrote:
| The original CNBC article
| https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/22/4chan-founder-chris-poole-mo...
| lacks this editorial spin. Tech people hop around a lot, 5
| years is a solid tenure.
| scotth wrote:
| And three positions inside the company seems about right as
| well.
| seattle_spring wrote:
| > Poole lasted just five years at Google, which CNBC notes
| is usually just long enough for any employee's shares
| attached to hiring to vest
|
| They make it sound like he barely managed to get any stock.
| That's like saying, "person worked at X for 1 year, just
| long enough to get 1 year's salary." Well, yeah, but if
| they left in 11 months they'd get 11 months salary. It's
| not like if Poole left at 1 year or 4 years or anything in
| between he would have left with anything different
| proportionally to his tenure.
|
| What an odd article.
| somerandomness wrote:
| It's typical to get a larger 4-year grant at hire. It's
| common to complain about comp drop after 4 years
| dmoy wrote:
| Also it doesn't really match with reality, since they'd
| usually get refresh grants and have a rolling four year
| window at all times.
|
| The article sounds like the reporter heard a soundbyte
| about google's typical four year vesting period, and then
| did zero actual research into what that means.
| ryandrake wrote:
| I don't know--I've heard a lot of people here noting the
| "4 year cliff" at most tech companies, not just Google.
| Not all companies give refreshes, and of those that do,
| it's usually not enough to make up for the initial grant
| going away.
|
| I left my last job pretty much on the day of my 4 year
| anniversary because I'd otherwise be taking a 25% comp
| hit in year 5. It's definitely a thing.
| pmkiwi wrote:
| Pardon my ignorance but what is the "4 year cliff"
| exactly?
| bzbarsky wrote:
| When you initially start at Google, say, you get an RSU
| grant that vests over 4 years. So for 4 years you are
| getting your salary and on some schedule also getting
| stock. The stock can be a quite large portion of your
| total compensation (as in, comparable to the base
| salary).
|
| After 4 years, unless you got refresher grants, your
| compensation is just your salary, so you effectively make
| less money than during the first 4 years. At that point
| the incentive is to move to some other company and start
| the 4-year clock again...
| pmkiwi wrote:
| Ok got it! So I guess the only way for Google to keep the
| best performers is to eliminate this cliff by giving RSU
| and/or offering a significant pay increase.
|
| Thank you for the explanation ;)
| russdpale wrote:
| Depends on the company, I work in tech but for an old
| company, 5 years isn't very long and there isn't much room
| for any movement.
| karmasimida wrote:
| For Google it definitely is. Most people jump at 4 year
| cliff, if they have the option
| tedivm wrote:
| The fact that there's not room for movement is exactly why
| people leave companies, not a reason to stay.
| russdpale wrote:
| True, but this is a company where when I logged on the
| other day there was an article about a guy retiring after
| 52 years as a delivery driver. Yes, that's right, fifty
| two years at one company, although I imagine he did small
| package delivery and feeder work (trailer loads). So not
| just one position, but pretty close.
| meepmorp wrote:
| On the other hand, that kind of job is stable, pays well
| enough, and doesn't demand much outside of 9-5. For
| people with families, that's a lot more appealing than
| you'd think.
| dang wrote:
| Ah ok, we'll change the URL to that from
| https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/04/4chan-founder-
| chris-.... Thanks!
|
| Actually we should already have changed it - that's standard
| practice when one article cribs from another. But I missed it
| in this case.
| theandrewbailey wrote:
| Sounds like he moved around a bit, so it's not like he was
| working on just one thing for 5 years.
| Andrex wrote:
| Ron Amadeo is a talented reporter but his transparent
| smarminess towards anything Google-related has become
| exhausting in recent years.
|
| A lot of the time it may be warranted. But just as often, like
| in this article, it definitely is not.
| kingsuper20 wrote:
| >only five years" that's a long time in my opinion to be at one
| company
|
| I've never worked anywhere where people were much use before
| 2-3 years in harness. Too much domain knowledge maybe.
| okareaman wrote:
| I've spent a fair amount of time on 4chan/pol/ for over a decade
| and my opinion is moot is a decent guy who sold it after he tried
| to reign in GamerGate and was loudly criticized on the site for
| it. I don't think Google would have hired him if it weren't for
| that redeeming quality.
|
| I'm fascinated by 4chan because it is a kind of underground
| United Nations. It's anonymous so people around the world can
| express themselves - even in a way I might find horrifying - and
| I can get an idea of concerns people have, though they might be
| concerns left unsaid im polite society.
|
| It's anonymous but your national flag is automatically assigned,
| and if you hide this or use a "meme flag' like a pirate flag, you
| will be criticized and ignored as a likely troll, trying a "false
| flag" operation.
|
| 4chan/pol/ is interesting, I don't know about the other boards
| since I don't visit them.
| hourislate wrote:
| I have found I can spend hours on 4chins reading some of the
| most interesting stuff on the Internet. It takes some work and
| time but there is gold there. There are some scary smart/genius
| anons posting.
| okareaman wrote:
| This too. There are some really smart people arguing
| positions that I never see argued in the mainstream press. I
| have much better understanding of pro-gun people now than I
| used to. I still don't agree with them, but I am closer to
| understanding.
| xtracto wrote:
| That's the reason I frequent r/ccw . Although I'm not from
| the US, I find interest in understanding the CCW culture;
| Their reasoning and thoughts. I've learned quite a lot from
| there through the years.
| causality0 wrote:
| Indeed. /pol/'s main value is entertainment at the sheer
| level of batshit insanity but the number of times they've
| either been startlingly prescient or else had serious insider
| knowledge is significant. I've seen things there that took
| days to hit CNN. For example, claims about Peter Bright's
| pedophilic exploits hit /pol/ years ahead of his arrest.
| dls2016 wrote:
| This really gets to the core of my love/hate relationship
| with the "weird" internet. I was an Ars-poster ~20 years
| ago and hadn't heard any of those rumors. Never ventured
| into 4chan for more than 5 minutes at a time. But I did
| spend a lot of time in the Gawker comment section and
| reading things like the Crazy Days and Nights blog. It
| definitely gives you a different perspective on journalism.
| There are so many stories which exist in a different plane,
| completely known by mainstream journalists but unreported
| for decades. It's insane.
|
| Always reminds me of the classic 1978 Johnny Rotten
| interview BBC interview where he calls out Jimmy Savile.
| (Video features a gross Piers Morgan pretending like he
| never heard about Savile.)
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4OzI9GYag0
|
| We don't need the white supremacy, but we as a society do
| need the crass asshole who's not afraid to knock down the
| elites by a peg or two. (And the John Stewart "jesters" of
| the world do not count.)
| [deleted]
| at_a_remove wrote:
| I have been on 4chan since at least '05, according to my files.
| The way people write about it is just ... such a Rorschach
| blot. Just as an example, that "redeeming" word you used, I
| would have said "damning." I watched the spin machine rev up
| like a centrifuge before that really hit the press, I read the
| ZoePost early on and thought Depression Quest was just awful
| before I knew word one about who wrote it.
|
| There's so many boards, each with its own culture, but people
| get out of it whatever bugbear they desire.
| watwut wrote:
| Depression quest being good or not, being only for some kind
| of person or all is completely irrelevant. And should be
| irrelevant to anything that happened after.
|
| Even if it would be the worst game in the world. Cause the
| really normal response to and small game you don't like is to
| not play it and maybe write a bad review. Not what happened.
| at_a_remove wrote:
| Correct, but also correct that afterward, you could not
| critique the game at all without being "a literal Nazi."
| The journos (as shown in their private mailing list) closed
| ranks amazingly quickly. I watched perfectly reasonable
| critiques get removed from comment sections before the
| comment sections were inevitably shut down "to promote
| better discourse."
|
| As usual, it isn't the crime, it's the coverup that gets
| you, and GamerGate was a great example of that.
| watwut wrote:
| There is literally no wonder they "closed ranks" given
| crap that was going on. And I know, because I personally
| seen that crap. The level of asshollery going on in
| general absolutely makes understandable that someone
| would go trigger happy.
|
| And no, the whole issue was not about quality of single
| indie twine game. That is just nonsense.
| PicassoCTs wrote:
| It was a attempt by obviously outsiders to establish
| cultural dominance in a sphere, where they were neither
| welcome nor wanted.
|
| Call it SJW-Colonialism and it was repelled by the
| natives. To go to battle to tell people what they should
| accept as their escapism, from up high, was a new low.
| bumblelad wrote:
| >I'm fascinated by 4chan because it is a kind of underground
| United Nations.
|
| Always fascinating how they refer to themselves.
|
| You have n-words.
|
| Then potato n-words for the irish (and lithuatians)
|
| Pasta n-words for italians
|
| Bongs for the british
|
| Leafs for canadians
|
| Burgers and Amerimutts
|
| Toothpaste for the netherlands
|
| Gypsy for hungarians and romanians (who are at a perpetual
| shitposting war against each other)
|
| Hohols for the ukranians
|
| Finngolians
|
| The usual suspects for anyone of any asian country, extra
| special hate towards the chinese and Xi's internet army.
|
| and on and on
|
| No matter what nation of the world you are from, they will find
| an insult for you. It's endearing in a way really.
|
| Oh and also there's someone shitposting from a research
| facility in Antarctica.
| pgt wrote:
| In a way, it's more equitable if everyone has a slur.
| okareaman wrote:
| I asked an Australian once why everyone was a C word and he
| said it was easier than remembering names.
| artursapek wrote:
| lmao love me some Aussie humor
| causality0 wrote:
| I think there's a certain value to that. Sort of a modern
| take on memento mori, but for everyone.
| solosoyokaze wrote:
| > _You have n-words_
|
| That you have to blank that out and none of the others,
| should tell you everything you need to know about how equal
| or "endearing" this is.
|
| Bongs, Leafs, Burgers... This is all white supremacy no
| matter how someone tries to reframe it.
| superflit wrote:
| Welcome to /pol/ you will never leave.
| okareaman wrote:
| It's more interesting now for a couple of reasons. The board
| was raided by "social justice warriors" during GamerGate and
| many stayed to keep arguing. Another reason is 4chan/pol/ is
| tamer that it used to be. The worst kind of uninteresting
| stuff moved to 8chan after GamerGate.
| TigeriusKirk wrote:
| I suspect some also go siphoned off when the larp that was
| Q migrated from 4chan to 8chan.
| pcbro141 wrote:
| We're talking about this site? (NSFW):
| https://boards.4chan.org/pol
|
| Looks more like an international white supremacist convention
| than United Nations to me.
|
| And I'm not saying that just because they love using the n-word
| so much, but that is one of the reasons.
|
| Most posts on there don't seem to be from a diverse audience.
| They mostly seem to be from the perspective of a young racist
| white male audience, which is a very small percentage of the
| world population.
|
| It's very obvious 4chan pol is disproportionately young white
| supremacist males with all the n-word, misogynist, anti-Jew
| obsession, white nationalism obsession that dominates the
| discussions.
|
| I guarantee you the discussion/perspective there is
| overwhelmingly dominated by young white males with very few
| female perspectives (50+% of the population) and non-White
| perspectives (majority of the population).
| occasionally4ch wrote:
| We're talking about these white supremacists? Google image
| search "pol meetup"
|
| https://i.kym-
| cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/975/547/c10...
| urthebiased1 wrote:
| You know there's plenty of antisemitism around the world,
| especially in places like Iran, which officially denies the
| Holocaust, that isn't coming from a "white supremacist"
| place, especially not in the context of American white
| supremacy.
|
| Considering that we know for a fact that you don't know the
| ages, genders, nationality, or races of the people with these
| beliefs, and can only see their beliefs posted anonymously on
| 4chan, and then you think you have enough information to
| extrapolate that these people must be white, male, and young,
| says a lot more about YOUR prejudices than the people on
| 4chan, quite frankly.
|
| You see hate and just assume the hateful are the gender,
| race, and age, that you perceive to be the enemy.
| pcbro141 wrote:
| White males make up a disproportionate amount of white
| nationalists compared to the total population
| (obviously...?), and white nationalism is
| disproportionately represented on that board. Thus I
| suspect that white males make up a disproportionate amount
| of posters on /pol/.
|
| I'm sure there are other races posting racist things there
| as well, but I said _disproportionately_ young white males
| tend to post white nationalist talking points, which I
| stand by and this shouldn 't offend anyone.
|
| _I am in no way implying most white males are white
| supremacists._ I 'm saying most white supremacists are
| white males which is an uncontroversial obvious statement
| that I stand by.
|
| You cannot convince me that most white nationalists are
| non-white, that's a silly deflection.
| [deleted]
| hnbad wrote:
| I can only recommend watching Innuendo Studios' _Alt-Right
| Playbook_ series for a deeper understanding of the dynamics,
| but if you don't have the time I'd at least recommend
| watching this one:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMabpBvtXr4
|
| All of 4chan, but especially /b/, is built around "haha just
| kidding ... unless", ridiculing people for getting offended
| while "trolling" with the most nefarious opinions and
| defending them "as a joke". This escalated with /pol/ which
| at some point became mask-off unironically white supremacist.
|
| This is not just about 4chan being too white and too male and
| everybody self-identifying as NEET (whether as a joke or in
| earnest). The perpetual "ironic" regurgitation of racist,
| misogynist and anti-Semitic talking points attracted Nazis
| because it allowed them to hide in plain sight and they very
| successfully used it as part of their pipeline by getting
| people to repeat their jokes until they stopped laughing.
| sudosysgen wrote:
| I second the recommendation. Basically, /pol/ centers
| around irony poisoning. But definitely watch the Innuendo
| Studios series.
| [deleted]
| okareaman wrote:
| That's partly true but I like to know what that group is
| thinking. As bad as it is, I don't detect any energy towards
| violent overthrow of the US Govt as was expressed by Timothy
| McVeigh in Oklahoma City. Maybe elsewhere, but not on
| 4chan/pol/
|
| There are a lot of people on 4chan from non-European
| countries. I've seen vile anti-semitism expressed by someone
| with a Saudi flag. It's not uncommon.
| sudosysgen wrote:
| There is a lot of energy at violently overthrowing the US
| Government. That sentiment is expressed every time you hear
| the word "ZOG" or "Golem". It takes a while to parse
| through it.
| tqi wrote:
| > and I can get an idea of concerns people have, though they
| might be concerns left unsaid im polite society.
|
| That's an interesting point. How do you tell if something is a
| real concern that is left unsaid vs just a fake concern? Or the
| difference between a concern that is quite prevalent vs a
| concern that is just being astroturfed?
| lobstrosity420 wrote:
| You can't, really. But no internet forum is immune to
| astroturfing and lying. Be it Hacker News or Reddit or 4chan.
| Just use your best judgment and don't take any of it too
| seriously.
| pcbro141 wrote:
| In order list of threads from browsing /pol/ for people who
| want to know how 'diverse' it is without visiting:
|
| - Anti-vax
|
| - Anti-gay parents
|
| - Goose
|
| - Ben Shapiro praise thread with a dash of anti-semitism and a
| whole lot of "i hope all ni**rs die"
|
| - Praising George Floyd mural vandalism
|
| - Anti-transgender
|
| - Praising white nationalism/white ethnostate
|
| - Praising 'national rape day'
|
| - Anti-Islam
|
| - Anti-race mixing
|
| - Illuminati
|
| - Celebrating police shooting blacks
|
| - British royals news
|
| - Anti-mask, anti-Biden
|
| - Silver
|
| - Anti-liberal white women as betrayers of the white race
|
| Keep in mind I just am reading the threads in order. This is
| not diverse _at all_. Maybe 'diverse' in the sense that these
| white supremacists are posting from across North America and
| Europe. This is almost all far right white supremacist and
| misogynist talking points (strong overlap between the 2),
| almost surely disproportionately posted by young white men.
| robot9000 wrote:
| Maybe it's not diverse because people like you who hold
| opposing viewpoints are not interested in changing their
| opinion despite the fact that you can post just as much as
| they can without being judged for who you are.
|
| Is this something you have considered?
| pcbro141 wrote:
| I have never considered justifying the killing of all non-
| Whites, oppression of homosexuals and women, no. And I
| never will entertain any 'opinion' or argument in favor of
| such heinous crimes against humanity.
| electrondood wrote:
| Account is 12 minutes old.
| robot9000 wrote:
| 2 hours old now.
| [deleted]
| andyxor wrote:
| /pol is awesome what are you talking about
|
| it has nothing to do with race, calling George Floyd an
| overdosed junkie is just stating the facts.
| the_benno wrote:
| Cops aren't allowed to murder people on sight -- "junkie"
| or otherwise. Never understood why people seem to think
| this is a compelling argument.
| andyxor wrote:
| he had like 3 times the lethal dose of fentanyl besides
| having a sick heart, it's in his coroner report.
| jrsj wrote:
| There is an argument being made by many on the right that
| the overdose was his actual cause of death because he
| spoke of not being able to breath etc before he was
| restrained & had a large amount of fentanyl in his
| system.
|
| That being said, the initial autopsy said this was only
| one factor and most people with this view are misreading
| that autopsy, which still stated the primary cause of
| death was compression of the neck.
| illiilliiililil wrote:
| Why couldn't he breathe in the back of the car?
| andyxor wrote:
| 'speedballs' and exertion from resisting arrest, he
| swallowed his entire stash of drugs to avoid going to
| jail
|
| to make matters worse he had severe hypertension and was
| hospitalized in 2019 during similar arrest with BP of 210
| on 130, his heart just couldn't handle it this time
| jrsj wrote:
| I'm in no way a medical expert but probably the fentanyl,
| or a combination of that & panic.
| andyxor wrote:
| the autopsy report said he had a heart failure
| "complicating" restraint.
|
| When asked to clarify coroner said he meant in medical
| sense, as in "heart failure complicating leg surgery",
| i.e. his death was not expected from restraint itself
| JohnBooty wrote:
| In the U.S., it's still murder and/or manslaughter
| (depends on jurisdiction) if you physically assault
| somebody and they die as a result, even if your physical
| assault was not the sole reason they died.
|
| I'm not even making a moral argument here. That's the
| letter of the law. (Again, laws vary by state)
| andyxor wrote:
| there was no assault though, but reasonable use of force
| according to MPD police training materials presented in
| court.
|
| In fact they could have escalated it at least two levels
| to more restricted prone position and use of taser, but
| they didn't, and called an ambulance several times to
| expedite it.
| Anon1096 wrote:
| There's plenty of other boards on 4chan where you can find
| people from all viewpoints posting. /cgl/ is well known to be
| majority female, and posters on /lit/ usually express center
| or left viewpoints. Even on /pol/, within a thread there will
| often be dissenters from the normal far-right average poster.
| Compared to other sites like Reddit where communities and
| posters with certain viewpoints are straight up banned, it's
| a breath of fresh air.
| mschuster91 wrote:
| There were better days, many years ago... eventually _all_
| not heavily moderated communities will suffer their version
| of Eternal September.
|
| Communities with no moderation at all sans removing child
| porn and copyrighted content (to avoid getting v8 by the
| feds) will always be overtaken sooner or later by the content
| you just listed because this sort of stuff gets driven out of
| communities that care about at least some decency. The
| exception proving the rule is r/worldpolitics, which has no
| rules per se but there's enough porn to drown out hate
| speech.
| JohnBooty wrote:
| Agree 100% with every word you wrote.
| eventually all not heavily moderated communities
| will suffer their version of Eternal September.
|
| 4chan really is the ultimate example of what happens to
| unmoderated free speech zones. It really _was_ better, once
| upon a time.
|
| Unfortunately, it's hard to cite 4chan as an example when
| talking about the merits of unrestricted free speech vs.
| moderation/curation since most people think it was always
| that bad.
| ineedasername wrote:
| I disagree: That is an extremely diverse selection of hatred,
| with the occasional inane entry.
| Blikkentrekker wrote:
| It's not nearly as diverse of hatred that _4chan_ has to
| offer.
|
| /pol/ is a U.S.A. board that takes a firm single side in
| the U.S.A. culture war.
|
| Most _4chan_ boards are largely outside of it and the
| hatred one sees there does not align with any of the two
| factions in the U.S.A. culture war and the hatred that
| flows is indeed very diverse in that sense.
| iitqkzbjak wrote:
| Racism, gore, pedos, endless endless pornography...
|
| Yet when people mention that they visit 4chan, they talk
| about the 'very clever people posting there'. It's like
| mentioning that you regularly go paddling in your local river
| in order to collect tiny nuggets of gold, without mentioning
| that your local river is a flow of excrement, nuclear waste,
| and malignant psychopaths.
| Blikkentrekker wrote:
| Most boards on _4chan_ are designated safe for work and
| racism free, and will quickly earn one a global three day
| ban for posting pornography and gore.
|
| This is very strictly enforced in practice, one doesn't see
| any nudity or gore remain up on those boards for more than
| ten minutes before a janitor catches it.
|
| Pornography is allowed on all boards that aren't designated
| "safe for work", but gore is only allowed on a very select
| few.
| ggvvfdde wrote:
| It's funny. I've been browsing 4chan all month and I havent
| seen any gore or pedos. Maybe a few leud pictures (less
| than 10). Maybe you should actually visit the site instead
| of just spreading misinformation.
| ineedasername wrote:
| I took you up on that, and visited the technology
| interest area /g/
|
| Post #1: Comment using the N word
|
| Post #2: Someone using "fag" to insult people who,
| presumably, use Arch linux. (The term was Archfags)
|
| Post #3: In response to something about headphones: _"
| that deaf faggot [n-word]"_
|
| So it's funny. I've been browsing 4chan for 5 minutes and
| couldn't avoid racism & homophobia in the very first
| things I saw. Maybe you should actually visit the site
| instead of just spreading misinformation.
| GauntletWizard wrote:
| I used to see pedo pics on 4chan... occasionally, if not
| frequently. That was well before the site gained it's
| alt-right reputation, though, back when it was more
| focused on simply "internet outcasts" and very gay
| friendly.
| JohnBooty wrote:
| very clever people posting there
|
| Cleverness is orthogonal to depravity, right?
|
| Nobody denies the extreme cesspool-like aspects of some
| corners of 4chan.
|
| The one thing you can uncontroversially say is that 4chan
| is diverse. It's almost like reddit, where each subreddit
| has its own distinct culture, mods, etc.
|
| I would say that overall, 4ch does attract... a pretty
| clever crowd. Almost everything there is layer upon layer
| upon layer of self-reference and iteration. Meta on top of
| meta on top of meta. Not saying you have to be a genius to
| "get it" but I don't see a dummy enjoying it.
|
| I'm also saying this as somebody who doesn't particularly
| like the place. I grew out of that shock humor stuff about
| two decades ago.
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| factsaresacred wrote:
| You could be describing Twitter.
| filoleg wrote:
| >almost surely disproportionately posted by young white men.
|
| Aside from the fact that you pretty much took the bait with
| /pol/ there, you should take a look at their irl meetups and
| compare them to average reddit meetups. You would be wildly
| surprised by how non-white the average 4chan meetups are.
| ineedasername wrote:
| What exactly was the bait in a front page filled with hate?
|
| And why would I judge an online community based on the
| offline actions of a very small sub population?
|
| Should I be impressed that non-white people also go there
| to spew hatred unrelated to white nationalism?
| pcbro141 wrote:
| I didn't 'take the bait', what you're doing is gaslighting.
|
| It's not that I'm a 'snowflake' or 'I don't understand chan
| humor', what they're doing is actually fucked up and
| dangerous even if they justify it as 'trolling' or 'irony'
| that should be ignored.
|
| There is nothing normal about that boards pre-occupation
| with calling for racial extermination. I don't give a damn
| if they're posting that 'ironically', there is nothing
| normal about that type of constant, obsessive 'joking'
| about mass murder behavior to that degree, and repeating
| those things so much can lead to people truly becoming
| obsessed with those ideas, then justifying and actually
| carrying those actions out (like the Christchurch racial
| terror attack).
| filoleg wrote:
| Never called you a snowflake, but your whole framing of
| the situation reads exactly like what a journo would
| write while lacking any semblance of understanding of the
| source material beyond just the surface level.
|
| >what you're doing is gaslighting
|
| How does me saying that the 4chan isn't as white-
| dominated as you say it is (with a hard proof, given that
| you can literally take a look at pictures from irl
| meetups from both 4chan and reddit, and then compare
| yourself) count as gaslighting?
|
| >There is nothing normal about that boards pre-occupation
| with calling for racial extermination.
|
| Will it make you feel better, if I told you that you can
| go and see those threads in many directions, including
| Indian-poster threads getting into extermination-tier
| shitfights with Paki and Israeli posters, as well as
| threads where Italians and Polacks call for mutual
| genocide? And let's not forget the asian continent
| shitfight threads, where there is an eternal argument
| between Chinese, Japanese, and South Korean posters
| trying to prove to each other who should've genocided
| whom at which point in history, with occasional oil being
| poured into the dumpster fire by Vietnamese and
| Indonesian posters.
|
| The board isn't pre-occupied with racial extermination.
| It is pre-occupied with edgy content that you cannot find
| elsewhere. Given that knowledge, it is understandable why
| most of it ends up being just wild trash. But there are
| definitely occasional gems in the rough that can be found
| there that cannot be found elsewhere.
| solosoyokaze wrote:
| > _But there are definitely occasional gems in the rough
| that can be found there that cannot be found elsewhere._
|
| Can you give an example of a gem? I've only seen the
| racist trash side (that's certainly what's on the board
| as of right now).
| filoleg wrote:
| Well, for just a singular example from /pol/ (since it
| isn't a board I frequent much at all given the super low
| signal-to-noise ratio, I prefer more hobby-specific
| boards, such as /o/ for car-motorcycle discussions and
| /mu/ for music-related stuff), people there were looking
| into and brought upon pedophilic allegations against
| Peter Bright years before he got actually charged with
| those (which actually happened just last year[0]). Mind
| you, not claiming that 4chan had anything to do with the
| guy getting eventually caught. But the fact that they had
| those allegations with basic reasoning and evidence
| before there was even a whiff of it in public is
| definitely something.
|
| Or when they had "journalists" from big publications
| trying to go there and interview people on the boards,
| they got fed so much misleading and obviously bs info on
| purpose before being chased away, it was definitely
| entertaining to observe. Especially given how obvious it
| was that the "journalists" in question came in there with
| a very specific narrative in mind already, and it all got
| crumbled pretty much in real time.
|
| Not even mentioning stuff like a solution to a novel math
| problem (which other commenters have already mentioned),
| which ended up being cited and is relevant to actual
| ongoing research in a specific math area.[1]
|
| Do those things count as "gems"? That's purely
| subjective. But that's the kind of stuff I personally
| appreciate seeing there.
|
| 0. https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/former-
| journalist-convi...
|
| 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpermutation#Lower_b
| ounds,...
| solosoyokaze wrote:
| Trolling journalists doesn't sound like "gems", it sounds
| like a waste of time (and I'm no fan of most
| journalists).
|
| The Peter Bright article you posted has no mention of
| /pol.
| filoleg wrote:
| >The Peter Bright article you posted has no mention of
| /pol.
|
| It wasn't supposed to, I just posted it for the context
| of the court case I was talking about. It would be more
| weird if the court decision included those, since they
| didn't contribute to his arrest or anything.
|
| If you are curious, you are welcome to go to any 4chan
| archiver websites and search for his name to see those
| conversations.
|
| >Trolling journalists doesn't sound like "gems", it
| sounds like a waste of time (and I'm no fan of most
| journalists).
|
| What sounds like a waste of time to you might sound like
| good entertainment to others. If anything, I would say
| that the "journalist" going directly to 4chan and
| attempting to "interview" people there was much more of a
| waste of time.
| solosoyokaze wrote:
| You claimed there was something beyond the surface level
| racism and white supremacy, but you haven't really
| provided that. Trolling journalists doesn't make them any
| less racist, especially when they use racism for
| trolling.
|
| There doesn't seem to be anything "deeper". Just straight
| up white supremacy.
|
| [EDIT] (since I'm now throttled for some reason)
|
| You can go on /pol right now and see it's full of white
| supremacy and hate. You claimed there's some deeper
| meaning to all of that. There's not though, it is exactly
| what it looks like.
| filoleg wrote:
| > You claimed there was something beyond the surface
| level racism and white supremacy, but you haven't really
| provided that.
|
| You seem to be hyperfixating on one out of 3 examples I
| mentioned. Did you miss the part about a proof for an
| unsolved math problem or early allegations against
| someone who went on to be charged for that exact same
| thing years later?
|
| Not even mentioning other boards that are hobby-specific,
| like /o/ (car-related stuff) or /fit/ (fitness related
| stuff). If you see no value in it, that's fine. But
| "everything i don't like has no value" is not the way to
| live life.
| fighterpilot wrote:
| I know there was a correct math proof to a novel and
| nontrivial problem that was put there by some anonymous
| user (probably not in pol but in 4chan). Forgot details
| of it
| setr wrote:
| It was /a/, the anime board, of all places
|
| https://mathsci.fandom.com/wiki/The_Haruhi_Problem
| cygx wrote:
| /sci/, actually - cf https://web.archive.org/web/20181024
| 190314/https://warosu.or...
| [deleted]
| okareaman wrote:
| Do you understand the concept of a "containment board"?
| Because that's basically what 4chan is. Everyone there is
| aware that "3 letter" agencies are monitoring. https://ww
| w.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Containment%...
| seriousquestion wrote:
| Not recognizing it as trolling and intentional agitation
| makes it more dangerous. You are taking the bait as the
| Christchurch shooter intended;
|
| _One of the goals of his bloodshed, he wrote, was to
| "agitate the political enemies of my people into action,
| to cause them to overextend their own hand and experience
| the eventual and inevitable backlash as a result." He
| said he wanted to "incite violence, retaliation and
| further divide."_
| https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/15/world/asia/new-
| zealand-gu...
| seriousquestion wrote:
| They are agitators and trolls, and you took the bait.
| SkyMarshal wrote:
| This statement is simultaneously both true and false.
|
| It's true in that yes they are agitators and trolls.
|
| But it's false in that the line between unserious troll and
| serious activist was blurred or erased long ago, and most
| recently with Trump being elected president.
|
| It's no longer possible to distinguish between unserious
| troll attempt and serious statement when such a large
| audience subscribes to the trolling as their actual
| reality.
| pcbro141 wrote:
| The young white supremacists being radicalized online are
| taking the bait.
|
| The bait is this silly narrative that the reason they talk
| in depth and at length everyday about exterminating non-
| Whites is because it's elaborate "trolling" to own the
| libs, until they start sprinkling in enough "justification"
| and repetition to radicalize you into becoming a white
| supremacists.
|
| Sadly many young men are taking the bait and becoming
| radicalized online.
| solosoyokaze wrote:
| Are the posters in this thread arguing that George Floyd
| was a junkie, trolls too? There is a _ton_ of legitimate
| white supremacy here masked by "trolling". It's just a
| convenient cover, but the beliefs are authentically held.
| [deleted]
| timdev2 wrote:
| Are you familiar with the rule of goats?
| ggvvfdde wrote:
| The diversity pushed by academic institutions and tech
| companies is the same. They want people from different
| backgrounds and locations, that are all the same politically.
| If you disagree with a progressive policy, you get the boot.
|
| 4chan is the same. They accept anyone from all over the
| world. The majority of posters are foreign. If you disagree
| with their narrative or political ideals, they insult you and
| tell you to leave. Except on 4chan you don't get banned or
| your life ruined for disagreeing. It's an actual safe space
| for ideas.
|
| It's hilarious how similar they are.
| vorpalhex wrote:
| Subcultures have shibboleths. In the same way WallStreetBets
| wasn't making fun of the mentally handicapped, it would be
| dangerous to take any chan at face value.
|
| Shibboleths exist to exclude people outside the subculture
| stereotype - and a good way of doing that is to be offensive.
| Some subcultures desire to remain as subcultures.
|
| Part of why shibboleths work is because we as a species tend
| to stop engaging rationally the moment we feel attacked - we
| switch to being defensive and actually entrench our own
| values further.
|
| The 4chan shibboleth attacks everyone. No matter who you are
| or how you identify you're going to be debased and mocked
| openly - that's kind of the point.
| pcbro141 wrote:
| > The 4chan shibboleth attacks everyone
|
| I see plenty of posts attacking and calling for the killing
| and complete extermination of non-Whites, Jews,
| homosexuals, and women all over the place but 0 posts
| attacking straight white males for being straight white
| males.
|
| Gee, I wonder why that is? I really wonder who is posting
| all these white nationalist talking points, it's truly a
| mystery. Could be anyone.
| [deleted]
| jth102099 wrote:
| Oh jeez, you weren't joking! I just visited there and I
| can't even believe that people write things like that.
| They should have their freedom of speech taken away.
| vorpalhex wrote:
| People don't self identify as "Straight White Male", it's
| not really a good insult base. You want to insult their
| country of origin (Ireland, Canada), their hobbies
| (anime, weightlifting, smoking pot) or their inability to
| get laid.
|
| "White people have poor taste in food!" isn't very
| punchy, is it?
| pcbro141 wrote:
| "British people have shitty food can't get laid" is kinda
| different from "all k*kes and ni**rs need to legit be
| exterminated", isn't it?
|
| They tell jokes about white ethnicities, but don't speak
| unironically, constantly, and at length about why whites
| should be racially exterminated like they do towards non-
| Whites, Jews, Muslims.
| vorpalhex wrote:
| You aren't going to hear "British people have shitty food
| and can't get laid" because it's not really insulting.
|
| That other stuff? That got you mad. You've got multiple
| threads running about how terrible it is - and there's a
| good chance you don't even identify as one of those
| groups.
|
| But let's assume for a moment that 4chan really is
| concentrated evil. You do realize you are basically
| advertising for them right now?
| pcbro141 wrote:
| That was exactly my point, the jokes against whites there
| are nothing compared to the vitriol and calls for mass
| murder posted against non-Whites.
|
| Does one have to be non-White to be opposed to the mass
| murder of non-Whites? Shouldn't _every_ non-racist
| psychopath White person be offended by the idea of mass
| murdering non-Whites?
| Zababa wrote:
| The board is called "politically incorrect" so of course
| that's what you'll find here. /pol/ is often referred as a
| "containement board", which means a board made so that people
| stop discussing certain topics in other boards while using
| the excuse that they don't have anywhere else to go. This
| way, other boards aren't polluted by things that people are
| fed up with. In some way it's a bit like a trashcan, once
| trash has a designated place to go, you can stop having trash
| laying around for no reasons.
|
| I honestly don't know the answer to complex questions such as
| "should this be allowed" or things like that, I'm just glad I
| can discuss other things in peace and know that political
| discussion elsewhere can be reported and will be deleted, or
| even have the user banned.
| Blikkentrekker wrote:
| _4chan_ is obviously not repraesentative for the public at
| large, no forum is, and that different subboards have very
| different overall views there highlights this.
|
| Most of the other boards hate /pol/ by the way and " _Go back
| to /pol/._" is commonly heard elsewhere, which shows the
| differing views.
| bruiseralmighty wrote:
| Started as a /b/tard circa '08 and now read mostly /pol/ and
| /lit/ because their threads most often follow an argument to
| its completion. This makes for good reading IMO.
|
| Still go back to /b/ occasionally although the flavor of that
| board has shifted to a more twitter-like direction that I do
| not favor. It remains one of the few places online where I can
| read shitposts with actual artistic merit. Some Facebook groups
| are only just now maturing to the stage where good satire
| exists.
|
| I have a theory that forums mature like humans going from
| childhood name-calling to adult dialectics. But then again /b/
| seems to be regressing so maybe I just don't know what I'm
| talking about.
| sudosysgen wrote:
| Wait, have you ever had an argument go to completion on
| /pol/?
|
| I almost never have. On /lit/, maybe, but on /pol/ either you
| get no actual engagement, all the serious replies are drowned
| by spam and the thread necros, or one of the argumentators
| when called out simply stops replying or switches to
| shitposting.
|
| You can sometimes have a good argument to completion, but
| it's very rare. Unless the argument is something the 4chan
| hive finds uncontroversial or is empathetic to.
| JohnBooty wrote:
| I've spent a fair amount of time on 4chan/pol/ for
| over a decade and my opinion is moot is a decent guy
| who sold it after he tried to reign in GamerGate and
| was loudly criticized on the site for it. I don't
| think Google would have hired him if it weren't for
| that redeeming quality.
|
| This is my personal impression of moot as well.
|
| Some private pictures were taken from a user's account on my
| old site, and published to 4chan circa 2007. Chris was very
| sympathetic and was eager to help take the pics down and/or
| find the culprit.
|
| Even though parts of 4ch turned into an absolute cesspool, that
| is _not_ who moot is. He simply created an anonymous free-
| speech platform.
| RobRivera wrote:
| heres to you, nicola and bart
| [deleted]
| ramosu wrote:
| What will be left for Google?
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