[HN Gopher] Video Games as High Art? The Museum of Modern Art th...
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Video Games as High Art? The Museum of Modern Art thinks they are
Author : doomlaser
Score : 14 points
Date : 2021-04-22 04:50 UTC (18 hours ago)
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| urda wrote:
| I think so too. Video games are just another medium, and there's
| nothing stopping someone or a group of someones from expressing
| their artistic interests through it.
| betterunix2 wrote:
| Video games also involve gameplay design, which is an aspect
| that separates video games from other forms of art (and thus
| justifies video games as a distinct art form) and which is part
| of what makes a great game "great."
| Kranar wrote:
| It's a perfectly good argument and I will admit that the
| distinction isn't particularly meaningful, but I don't consider
| video games to be art anymore than I consider basketball to
| itself be an art.
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| Video games make use of many arts, music, visuals, storytelling
| etc... but a video game is identified by the goal it sets for
| its player, its win condition, strategy, etc... the use of art
| is mostly to keep the player engaged and entertained instead of
| being the defining characteristic.
|
| That said I also agree this may not be a particularly useful
| distinction and don't have very strong feelings about it.
| chrisco255 wrote:
| Basketball is the same game played over and over. The
| objective is to make the court and gameplay setting as
| consistent as possible across different locations so as to
| set the best players against each other in a competition.
|
| Some video games fit this sport-like criteria and are
| competitive in nature. Others are storytelling experiences
| meant to be enjoyed for the sake of enjoyment. It's an
| interactive art form and some of the talent that goes into
| some of the most well-designed games is extraordinary and
| should be recognized as such.
|
| People fall in love with some games based on their characters
| and storyline. If making people fall in love with a creation
| isn't art, then I don't know what art is.
| kroltan wrote:
| The classic counterargument is that _game design_ (or, more
| broadly, interaction design) is the art medium, not the game.
| The game is the result.
|
| A basketball player might not be an artist, but the person
| who created the idea of basketball could be called one, under
| this premise.
|
| Now, most computer games are way more complicated than
| basketball due to what their platform allows, but the
| argument remains that the rules of interaction and the
| responses of the game to player's actions are designed to
| provoke some specific response, or even used contemplatively,
| even if you were to change what actual medium those responses
| were in (for example, text-based dungeon crawlers versus
| something more visual like For the King).
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| chrisco255 wrote:
| Video games are one of the highest forms of art, in my opinion,
| because it's a blend of so many art forms. The architecture,
| level design, cinematography, character animation, storytelling,
| the music, the voice acting, the game play mechanics, etc. There
| are some beautiful games out there that have shaped culture and
| brought people together as a bonding experience. It's high time
| the world recognize that. I suspect it will more and more as
| digital natives come of age.
| xnx wrote:
| Katamari Damacy was an excellent choice for their collection. I
| have enjoyed a lot of games (Breath of the Wild!), but Katamari
| is the only one that comes to mind that felt like it had a
| message that was bigger than the game itself.
| void_mint wrote:
| Oxford's definition of art:
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| > the expression or application of human creative skill and
| imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or
| sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their
| beauty or emotional power.
|
| I would say that video games are inarguably "high art". The
| greatest thing about the increased ergonomics that Unity/UE bring
| is the ability for less specialized people to express themselves
| via video games. Visual expression, storytelling, sound, etc.
| It's all there.
|
| I am not involved with Fullbright, but the game Tacoma
| (https://store.steampowered.com/app/343860/Tacoma/) I think is an
| excellent example of video games as art. For those curious, I
| would highly recommend taking a look.
| notsureaboutpg wrote:
| Sports aren't an art. Sure there's an artfulness to the way high
| level athletes play their sports, but that doesn't make the sport
| (or any specific sport) art.
|
| I appreciate all the arguments for video games being art. In fact
| I lean to that side of the discussion myself. But I can't shake
| the feeling that just adding a bunch of artistic things into a
| product doesn't make that product art. Art is meant to be viewed.
| A video game isn't...
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