[HN Gopher] Man sues Apple for terminating Apple ID with $24K wo...
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Man sues Apple for terminating Apple ID with $24K worth of content
Author : thekyle
Score : 107 points
Date : 2021-04-21 14:22 UTC (8 hours ago)
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| danpalmer wrote:
| I don't have a strong feeling on the banning of the account. I
| know companies typically can't comment for legal reasons, but
| there may be good reasons for this, sometimes there may not be.
|
| The problem is that people invest in these accounts. They buy the
| right to some content and that is taken away from them. In some
| cases they also invest socially in the account, like an email
| address.
|
| I don't think companies can have it both ways. They can either
| not ban accounts like this, or they can ban accounts and refund
| any purchased licences, and provide the ability to transfer data
| out and set up redirections as necessary (an auto-responder for
| email perhaps?).
| sizzle wrote:
| This is unsettling if you're locked into the Apple ID ecosystem
| does anyone know if you lose all your iCloud backups and photos
| if your Apple ID is terminated?
| ValentineC wrote:
| I guess not.
|
| I rely on iCloud for nightly backups, but have iTunes backups
| here and there whenever I upgrade.
|
| I think it's high time I looked at a non-Apple backup for my
| iCloud Photo Library though.
| blue_cadet_3 wrote:
| You can setup iCloud on a PC to download content to it to keep
| a physical backup in your possession. I do that and also have
| it sync to OneDrive so its 3 backups of my photos.
| im3w1l wrote:
| It's so weird to see them cling to these fuck-the-customer rules.
| Like it's so shortsighted. They only see the money they save, but
| completely forget about how many transactions and purchases just
| don't happen, because people are scared of getting screwed over.
|
| (Edited to add). So I think that Apple could actually benefit
| here by losing this suit. It needs to be in court. Such a
| foundation is more solid than a gesture of goodwill that could be
| go the other way tomorrow.
| solarkraft wrote:
| > but completely forget about how many transactions and
| purchases just don't happen, because people are scared of
| getting screwed over
|
| I'll bet you all my broken iPod Touches that they _absolutely_
| didn 't, but even did an analysis on how many people are scared
| by this. The answer was "basically nobody". It's not the
| companies offering these models who are short sighted, it's the
| people taking them up.
| veidr wrote:
| Good. I don't know the details of this case, but they don't even
| matter.
|
| Whether it's Facebook nuking all your Oculus Quest content
| because you were at a pro-democracy Hong Kong protest, or Apple
| remotely deleting all your music and apps because their fuzzy-
| logic automation incorrectly correlated the pattern of your
| network traffic with illegal activity, there has to be some
| recourse -- and in the US, that recourse should obviously be the
| courts.
| nicbou wrote:
| I think that many people are now realising the cost of putting
| all of your eggs in the same basket, particularly when the
| company that owns the account offers no recourse that involves
| human intervention.
| mark_l_watson wrote:
| I split purchases for books, movies, and audiobooks across
| Apple, Kindle, Audible (also Amazon), and Google Play. This
| is a nuisance, but I am spreading the risk of loss due to no
| fault of my own.
| eindiran wrote:
| The golden age of "I don't bother pirating anything
| anymore" is rapidly coming to a close, and tech companies
| have killed it. Ever-worsening DRM, paying creators amounts
| asymptotically approaching zero, nuking accounts with
| thousands of dollars invested into the ecosystem (because
| the algorithmic gods saw a pattern in clouds), balkanizing
| content until streaming services just become cable,
| increasing prices while decreasing quality of service,
| triple-dipping their customers (why just have them pay for
| your service when you can get them to pay for your service,
| serve them ads, and sell profiles of their browsing
| habits!).
| canadianfella wrote:
| > Whether it's Facebook nuking all your Oculus Quest content
| because you were at a pro-democracy Hong Kong protest
|
| Did this actually happen?
| Black101 wrote:
| That is one reason why I don't want to buy an Oculus for my
| child...
| veidr wrote:
| Me too. I find the business model disgusting, even if it
| wasn't Facebook.
|
| But it _is_ Facebook, one of the most profoundly unethical
| companies of consequence, which has caused harm across the
| world at immense scale.
|
| I don't like Apple's App Store or Nintendo's region locking
| or other things like that, but I don't have literal _moral_
| qualms about buying their devices.
|
| I really do, with Facebook. But the Oculus Quest 2 hardware
| is so incredibly good -- so far ahead of anything else
| available -- that I do buy it so my kids (and I) can use it
| (with my own FB account, which I have specifically for this
| perfect).
|
| Depriving my kids of the insanely rad tech presents, for me,
| it's own moral dilemma.
|
| So I strike this uneasy balance. But it does make me feel
| very uncomfortable.
| ksec wrote:
| We need to swing back from Cloud Storage and Services hosting
| our Data as hostage. ( Time Capsule for iOS )
|
| Or may be we could go back to the simplest form. Physical
| Media. I think there is something to be learn from the Japanese
| on how they value something physical.
| redwall_hp wrote:
| Imagine if Time Capsule was brought back more as a NAS: it's
| your home router, so they can automatically deal with port
| forwarding and dynamic DNS. iCloud could transparently
| connect you to your home storage wherever you happen to be,
| and your files could be stored locally instead of on servers
| Apple has.
| lamontcg wrote:
| This is exactly how I wanted federated auth to work.
|
| Everyone would have their own DNS domain (this was in a
| science fiction reality where DNSSec was very secure).
|
| That DNS domain would be exposed by their firewall, it
| would serve a single static domain.
|
| Something like MX records would be setup for simple auth
| services and one-time payment transactions.
|
| So when I needed to login to a site instead of talking to
| facebook, the site would talk to the root servers which
| would hook them up with my domain on my router.
|
| The for a credit card transaction I could authz a
| transaction between the remote website, my router with my
| information and the credit card payment provider, so that
| the website never saw any details.
|
| This would be wrapped with a service so that the home user
| never hand managed their DNS zone similarly to the way NAS
| appliances often run linux and NFS without people needing
| to poke into it.
|
| But it needs to not be written by a FAANG company and needs
| to piggyback on open standards. Maybe DNS isn't the exact
| right tool, but it needs to look something very much like
| that with a hierarchy of open registrars.
|
| OpenID is kind of close to the start of that, but I don't
| like the way it piggybacks on e-mail addresses and I think
| it needs to be its own thing and simpler to manage.
| ksec wrote:
| That is _exactly_ what I have been crying for all along
| close to 10 years. And I am willing to pay. But Apple doesn
| 't like this because it offers no recurring revenue. ( They
| could still offer Off Site backup as services which i will
| also pay. )
| g42gregory wrote:
| I sincerely hope he wins. I am not even sure how would this be
| legal.
| orliesaurus wrote:
| I wonder if anyone else tried to sue a Big Corp. for terminating
| their account and everything associated with it. I am thinking
| about other threads here on HN about YouTube terminating
| someone's channel and then also their associated Gmail account,
| incl. Google Drive.
|
| It's scary to think that if you do something wrong (willingly or
| unwillingly) you could lose EVERYTHING tied to that account.
|
| I can't imagine what nightmare it might be to try to reset your
| other accounts such as bills, banking, gov accounts tied to your
| Gmail. On top of everything else you might have tied to it, email
| and file wise.
|
| Backup on cloud, backup on hardware, mirror the backups!
| danlugo92 wrote:
| This is precisely the reason I never buy DRM-laded content.
| User23 wrote:
| I believe that you are morally (if not legally) within your
| rights to acquire DRM free versions of content that you've
| lawfully purchased, including by downloading unencumbered
| copies or removing DRM yourself.
| thedanbob wrote:
| I buy all my movies and TV shows through iTunes because it
| gives you actual MP4 files. And then I immediately strip the
| DRM and load them into Plex. The day that stops working is
| the day I stop buying movies.
| gentleman11 wrote:
| Where do you like to go for your media?
| jwalton wrote:
| Baen and Tor publish all their books without DRM, on whatever
| platform you care to buy them on. Baen has their own ebook
| shop where you can frequently get good deals on bundles.
|
| Music is easy to buy DRM free.
|
| Movies and TV shows... not so much.
| increscent wrote:
| I use amazon to buy DRM-free music, and I also buy used CDs
| on ebay.
| salutis wrote:
| More DRM-free sources, if anyone is interested:
|
| https://www.springer.com
|
| https://www.informit.com
|
| https://pragprog.com
|
| https://www.manning.com
|
| https://www.elsevier.com/books-and-journals
|
| https://nostarch.com
| m-p-3 wrote:
| PC Games: gog.com
|
| Music: Bandcamp
|
| For movies the only viable option I haveis the grey area of
| buying the physical media and strip the DRM for your personal
| use.
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