[HN Gopher] Fastmail to end support for operamail.com email addr...
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Fastmail to end support for operamail.com email addresses
Author : alexmcc81
Score : 37 points
Date : 2021-04-15 21:16 UTC (1 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.fastmail.help)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.fastmail.help)
| poglet wrote:
| Fortunatley the process for changing to to another alies is
| trivial, buy I imagine this would be extramly frustrating for
| many people.
|
| Many services make it difficult to change login or email (My
| Steam login is an email I havent used in over 15 years).
| ficklepickle wrote:
| Ugh, paypal is bad for this. I have to keep an ancient hotmail
| account alive, just because it is the email I used to create
| the account 10+ years ago.
|
| I can login with my more recent email account, so it would be
| easy to forget the old hotmail account is even tied to it.
| wlesieutre wrote:
| Does this not work?
| https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=3176-RTK...
|
| Or when they say "Steam Support will immediately email you a
| link to click on to verify your new email address" do they mean
| it's sent to your old email address where you can't get it?
| tyingq wrote:
| Wait a couple of years and I bet Opera lets the domain expire,
| and someone will pick up a relative treasure trove of email
| traffic for $10.
| deeblering4 wrote:
| My bet is on a domain squatter snapping it up and then
| reselling it for with hugely inflated asking price.
| jraph wrote:
| > The operamail.com domain is owned by Opera, not Fastmail. We've
| handled mail at this domain on Opera's behalf since Fastmail
| staff bought back the company in 2013. Opera has since advised us
| that they will no longer allow us to handle mail through this
| domain.
|
| Why though?
|
| How come Fastmail handles mails on Opera's behalf, and why Opera
| now prevents Fastmail from doing it? How come they couldn't
| manage to agree on a way to avoid losing their users' email
| addresses?
| floatingatoll wrote:
| Fastmail was called "Operamail" until they bought themselves
| out from Opera in 2013.
| AndrewDavis wrote:
| Fastmail was originally an independent company that was
| acquired by Opera. Later they became independent again.
| dltj wrote:
| Your email address is too important to leave in the hands of a
| third-party provider. This isn't to say that using a third-party
| provider to run your email is a bad idea. You should own the
| domain, though.
| guitarbill wrote:
| True, but an added complication is that you have to be really,
| really careful about your domain. You have to trust your
| registrar, set up 2FA, and make sure it never expires, etc. So
| in the end, owning your domain isn't foolproof either, it's
| also another point of failure (similar to Google deleting your
| account, although one you may have more control over).
|
| For what it's worth, I use Fastmail + a custom domain and
| couldn't be happier. But I'd hardly recommend it to everyone
| for personal email.
| throwawaysea wrote:
| As someone considering either Fastmail or Protonmail, could
| you share what your experience is like and why you chose
| Fastmail?
| joshe wrote:
| 15 year Fastmail user here. Fastmail has been great, no
| downtime, and I don't really think about it at all. Good
| web client and you can do filtering if you need to.
| Wxc2jjJmST9XWWL wrote:
| Same setup as the comment you're answering to.
|
| They've just been super reliable and mature for me. No huge
| updates that force me to adjust. Interface is nice and
| clean, uptime and service super reliable. Everything just
| seems to work for me (aliases, forwarding, filters, good
| Android app), and the pricing is within reason.
|
| I actually use their web interface and official Android
| app. I'm surely no power user, but have used various
| providers over the years until I settled with Fastmail
| (seemingly for good). It's difficult to decide whom to
| trust with e-mail but to me they seem trustworthy. I still
| like to have my own domain, so I could in theory take it
| with me, if I ever started being displeased.
|
| In general: Paying for a service (especially e-mail) is
| invaluable (my data not being mined), also for potential
| account recovery (didn't use their customer service often,
| but when it happened, it was decent).
|
| I can't comment on ProtonMail but especially with e-mail, a
| proven track record is gold, and Fastmail has it.
| hosteur wrote:
| I recently did a big survey of the mail hosting market. I
| settled on migadu. Have used them for two months now and am
| very happy with them. Consider checking them out.
| ProAm wrote:
| You have real customer support (a person) who gets back to
| you in a timely fashion and is always helpful. The android
| app and web app are intuitive and easy to use. I switched
| from Gmail to Fastmail a few years ago and couldnt be
| happier and it's cheap.
| djrogers wrote:
| Owning a domain with a registrar like Hover (or if only for
| email, through your mail provider) is really not that
| complicated or difficult. You get an email once a year that
| it will be renewed, they charge your card, and it's done.
|
| And 2FA? Yeah, if you're not already doing that for PayPal,
| Venmo, eBay, and others, you're not gonna add it for your
| domain. If you are already doing that, it's no extra burden.
| AdmiralAsshat wrote:
| And yet you literally can't run your own mail server in most
| situations. ISPs will block you.
|
| What's the solution?
| Wxc2jjJmST9XWWL wrote:
| Running your own mail server, having problems due to shared
| IP is only one of the problems. Some more:
|
| Spam filtering for one. Uptime and updating without downtime.
| You would absolutely need redundancy (complexity of the
| solution required starts building up quickly). Keeping tabs
| on mail server security and the vulnerabilities discovered in
| your particular software stack. A 15 second down time means
| an important mail might not reach you. If your mail server
| crashes due to unknown reason at 4 am, do you really want it
| to be your problem to fix? And it will of course happen when
| it least fits your schedule for the day. On most days I could
| live with my website being offline for a few hours because
| I've screwed up, but with E-Mail?
|
| The solution?
|
| The more you think it through, own the domain, yes, but use a
| mature and reliable (and paid for) provider you trust to do
| the hosting for you. For someone technical enough to securely
| own a domain and not let it expire that seems like the best
| solution really, unless maybe you own your own hosting
| service? :P (but then, technically I guess it's not your own
| private mail server either)
| Aardwolf wrote:
| Don't you also depend on a third-party for your domain, though?
| kroltan wrote:
| Yes, but if one goes out of business you can buy your domain
| from someone else! Or even transfer it, if you are warned a
| nonzero amount of time in advance.
|
| Being able to keep your address across service providers
| being the important part here, that way your online life
| doesn't get in a huge jumble when your provider goes away.
| johnvaluk wrote:
| I've hosted email for myself and some other users for
| decades now. We all own our domains and aren't getting any
| younger. I'm a little terrified of the responsibility I've
| taken on and have no idea what I'll do when we start
| dropping like flies. Renewals will lapse, allowing
| squatters to snatch up our domains, read new incoming email
| and impersonate us. I'm not thrilled with depending on
| third parties, either, but now I wish it was someone else's
| problem who might outlive us and exercise a small degree of
| ethical oversight. Maybe there's a business idea here...
| toomuchtodo wrote:
| Perhaps it's time for the development of a standard where your
| email address isn't tied to a domain; instead, email is
| addressed to an identity and the underlying plumbing
| automatically handles routing and delivery. Very similar to how
| your mobile phone number is portable between providers.
|
| We can't expect everyone to own a domain to control their
| messaging sovereignty.
| umanwizard wrote:
| What should it be tied to? Who would maintain the mapping of
| names to addresses, and wouldn't this just be reinventing the
| domain name system?
| vbezhenar wrote:
| You own private key. Public key is your identity. Public
| key could be linked to facebook, twitter, github accounts,
| etc, so you can easily discover or verify people.
| [deleted]
| toomuchtodo wrote:
| DNS is for service discovery, not identity discovery and
| routing. I leave the rest of your questions for the
| standard to be developed. I don't have all the answers, but
| am willing to pay people smarter than me to figure it out.
| Accept this sub thread as the official Request For Comments
| :)
| thombles wrote:
| Sounds a lot like the nomadic identities in Hubzilla and the
| Zot protocol.
|
| https://zotlabs.org/page/hubzilla/hubzilla-project https://zo
| tlabs.org/help/en/developer/zot_protocol#What_is_Z...
| flurdy wrote:
| Wasn't that the idea behind .name TLD initially? Until they
| sold out and became yet another ccTld
| johnvaluk wrote:
| Wouldn't that approach also be doomed to failure? How would
| you provide a unique domain to every John Smith in the
| world?
| hyakosm wrote:
| Yes. I also made the choice to pay for my email hosting from a
| reliable provider, it's cheap (1.5$ month) and I'm considered
| as a customer, I can have a support with real humans.
| adenner wrote:
| Care to share which company?
| toss1 wrote:
| I use KolabNow, can strongly recommend them for
| reliability, security, support.
| jbverschoor wrote:
| The problem is that you don't know for sure where your email has
| been used.
| thombles wrote:
| An underappreciated benefit of using a password manager
| consistently. It might be a long and unpleasant chore but you
| can have some confidence that you're updating everything that
| matters.
| sneak wrote:
| I recently wrote a guide about how to stop relying on a domain
| you don't own for receiving email. I've heard a ton of positive
| feedback about it. This incident is a really good example as to
| why your whole email address should always ultimately be under
| your own control (i.e. at a domain you own).
|
| https://sneak.berlin/20201029/stop-emailing-like-a-rube/
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