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       A new twist on using 'personalized' stem cells for studying
       dementia
        
       Author : elorant
       Score  : 66 points
       Date   : 2021-04-14 18:43 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | mjfl wrote:
       | As someone who does research in biology and therapeutics, it
       | seems to me that Alzheimer's research is such a dismal field. We
       | don't have a good idea of what causes it, not only do we not have
       | good animal models, we have _misleading_ animal models which
       | reflect some of the traits of Alzheimer 's but nothing translates
       | to humans. There was this mouse model they made which developed
       | these plaques like in Alzheimers and they found they could clear
       | them with brain stimulation pretty well - but trying it in humans
       | there was no effect.
        
         | freewilly1040 wrote:
         | > There was this mouse model they made which developed these
         | plaques like in Alzheimers and they found they could clear them
         | with brain stimulation pretty well - but trying it in humans
         | there was no effect.
         | 
         | Rinse and repeat many times over, I think. This dynamic is what
         | pushed me away from the field in general, the knowledge that I
         | could spend my whole career working on a mouse model that
         | there's reason for only tepid confidence in.
        
           | bumby wrote:
           | There's a Twitter feed dedicated to this caveat
           | 
           | https://mobile.twitter.com/justsaysinmice?lang=en
        
         | misterkrabs wrote:
         | Is there a paper on that? I'm so interested.
        
         | inglor_cz wrote:
         | Do you think that the "organ on a chip" method could help?
         | 
         | Having tiny human brains (or brainlets) would be a closer model
         | than using any animal, or not?
        
           | amelius wrote:
           | > Do you think that the "organ on a chip" method could help?
           | 
           | Can we even reliably diagnose Alzheimer's based on brain
           | tissue alone? If so, what do we look for?
        
             | bumby wrote:
             | I think tau protein is a correlate?
             | 
             | As far as I know, it can only be tested post-mortem but
             | there is some research related to detecting it with blood
             | tests.
        
           | mjfl wrote:
           | Missing a lot of signals from the in vivo context - for
           | example taking a naive approach to organoids typically means
           | you're going to be missing vascularization, which is
           | essential for the architecture of the brain in vivo.
           | 
           | Also typically organoids present as very immature brains,
           | whereas Alzheimer's patients sort of have "maximally mature"
           | brains.
        
           | f6v wrote:
           | I'm not an expert, but suppose Alzheimer's onset and
           | progression is affected by the gut-brain axis. There's no way
           | for an organoid to capture that.
        
             | amelius wrote:
             | Yes, also hormones controlling e.g. sleep, which is
             | essential for brain function.
        
       | The_rationalist wrote:
       | Unrelated: Tifasopam has been shown to have groundbreaking
       | efficacy on reverting cognitive impairment:
       | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31981560/
       | 
       | btw I believe that Tifasopam is the best long term anxyolitic
       | medication out there: No tolerance No cognitive impairment No
       | sedation No side effects Very potent
        
       | paulpauper wrote:
       | The problem with AD is by the time the symptoms appear, the brain
       | is already irreparable ravaged. The damage is actually
       | macroscopically visible. Treatment would have to begin long
       | before symptoms show, which would mean identifying people who are
       | at risk.
        
         | kgin wrote:
         | I think any person newly diagnosed with alzheimers would jump
         | at the chance to stop its progression.
        
           | JamesBarney wrote:
           | Once you get an alzheimer's diagnosis your brain is pretty
           | ravaged. The diseases process probably starts decades before
           | most diagnoses.
        
             | prepend wrote:
             | And I think anyone newly diagnosed would love to have
             | progression stopped at diagnosis.
             | 
             | What's your point?
             | 
             | It's not a total cure and restoration, but it's better than
             | now- where your brain is ravaged at diagnosis and gets
             | worse until death.
        
         | max-ibel wrote:
         | If you have MRI scans of your brain, you can upload them to
         | brainkey.ai to track differences over time. They even offer a
         | [?]400USD MRI scan out of pocket if you live close to one of
         | their participating scanning centers (e.g. in the Bay Area).
        
         | btilly wrote:
         | Luckily https://www.nia.nih.gov/news/blood-tests-show-promise-
         | early-... points at a test that looks like it can figure out
         | who will develop Alzheimer's years before there are any
         | symptoms. (In their dataset, up to 20 years before.)
        
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       | gervwyk wrote:
       | There is a fascinating episode on Alzheimer treatment using some
       | sort of frequency exposure [0], I don't know much about this but
       | radiolab made me really excited that there could be an end to
       | Alzheimers one day soon. Studies like this and the hopeful
       | potential benefits unlocked with crispr also!
       | 
       | https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/bring...
        
       | halfmatthalfcat wrote:
       | _Crush_ Alzheimer's.
        
       | timy2shoes wrote:
       | I think the overall goal assumes that genetics causes
       | Alzheimer's, which is (in my opinion) a questionable assumption.
       | That's not to say that the production of model systems for
       | Alzheimer's will be useful, but will it be worth the tens or
       | hundreds of millions of dollars that this will cost? -\\_(tsu)_/-
        
         | kgin wrote:
         | Gene therapy can treat diseases that aren't specifically caused
         | by genetics.
        
           | timy2shoes wrote:
           | Yes, but that would require knowing how to rescue the
           | phenotype, in this case healthy neurons and connections.
           | Alzheimer's is not like Parkinson's, which you can (most
           | likely, see the recent work from BlueRock) treat by replacing
           | dopaminergic neurons or rescuing the dopamine production.
        
         | WalterBright wrote:
         | The book "The End of Alzheimers" makes a case that there are 36
         | causes of Alzheimers. It's the combination of those causes that
         | results in the disease. The more of those causes a person has,
         | the more likely they'll develop Alzheimers.
         | 
         | This is why research and treatments that focus on only one
         | cause have all been stymied and went nowhere.
         | 
         | The book's treatment program is to address as many of the
         | causes as possible.
        
         | MetaWhirledPeas wrote:
         | As long as it's not diverting funds from anything more
         | promising then spend all the money you want I say. Try
         | everything. You may fail more often but you'll find the right
         | answer faster.
        
           | timy2shoes wrote:
           | With a limited NIH budget this will necessarily divert funds
           | from other endeavors. In addition, I think such programs
           | entrench the large lab bias prevalent in academia right now.
        
       | benrapscallion wrote:
       | There's a remarkable amount of hyperbole in this article (but not
       | the original publication). In plain language, this is a project
       | to generate, characterize, and openly share the data for iPSC
       | models (and presumably neurons from them) bearing 100 APOE
       | disease-associated mutations.
       | 
       | It must be remembered that one reason many AD drugs have failed
       | is because models don't capture the disease accurately and that
       | may well turn out to be the case here.
        
         | kick_in_the_doo wrote:
         | Do AD drugs attempt to reduce the concentration of APOE in the
         | brain? If so, is it known if these drugs either failed to
         | reduce the concentration of APOE, or succeeded in reducing
         | concentration but still didn't work?
        
           | benrapscallion wrote:
           | "Reduce APOE" is an oversimplified view. The mechanisms by
           | which the AD-associated E4 genotype (arg112, arg158) results
           | in disease are still poorly understood. The main therapeutic
           | hypothesis for AD is to reduce the levels of pathogenic
           | plaques and aggregates using antibodies.
        
             | kick_in_the_doo wrote:
             | Interesting. And these studies have shown that medicine
             | which reduces these plaques doesn't actually help with AD
             | symptoms?
        
         | dang wrote:
         | I've pinched the title from https://www.ninds.nih.gov/News-
         | Events/News-and-Press-Release..., which the OP points to, since
         | it seems less hyperbolic and more precise.
         | 
         | Not sure if the article itself should be changed also...
        
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