[HN Gopher] The Apache Attic
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The Apache Attic
Author : doener
Score : 40 points
Date : 2021-04-09 12:20 UTC (10 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (attic.apache.org)
| terom wrote:
| Anyone looking for Apache Mesos in the list of Apache Attic
| projects, news of its demise appears to have been greatly
| exaggerated: The decision to retire the project seems to have
| been canceled: [1]
|
| [1]
| https://lists.apache.org/x/thread.html/rf0359da13d1c3baff882...
| arnon wrote:
| Yep. The vote on this was cancelled
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26748191
| [deleted]
| fanf2 wrote:
| Fun fact: when I started contributing to Apache httpd in the
| 1990s, it was hosted on CVS; when you delete a file in CVS, its
| revision history ,v file in the repository is moved into a
| subdirectory called Attic. You can see Attic directories in
| NetBSD's cvsweb, eg. http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/
| (but not in OpenBSD's repository for some reason?)
| candiddevmike wrote:
| Compare this list to https://projects.apache.org/projects.html, I
| think it's missing a few (they may not be officially dead, I
| suppose).
| wiradikusuma wrote:
| I'm feeling nostalgic. Anyone who has developed something for
| _the internet_ in the early 2000s for sure have downloaded
| something from Apache website (e.g. Apache httpd which most
| people simply call "Apache", and Tomcat). Many products in the
| Attic were born during the golden age of Java.
| jjtheblunt wrote:
| Because I used Java extensively around 2001, then not till
| 2020, I paid no attention in the interim. It seems like it had
| an early golden age, then a middle ages in which horrors like
| Spring were born to compensate for the stagnation, and is
| enjoying a resurgence or renaissance now with Scala / Clojure /
| Kotlin / Java16 ?
| cashewchoo wrote:
| I worked with Java from 2009 until now. I can't account for
| the 01-09 timespan, but I'd say the big gap between say java
| 1.5 and 1.8 was less about stagnation and more about letting
| other languages feel things out. I like that Java is never
| too far ahead or too far behind.
|
| I do think the "hip" side of tech has started to warm back up
| to Java, both as the language adopts some of the niceties
| that python/ruby/kotlin/scala/etc have shown are quite
| ergonomic and also as the community, I think, warms back up
| to the idea that static typing can be net helpful and that
| maybe a good JIT compiler is nice too.
| oblio wrote:
| That's some solid historical revisionism is action here :-)
|
| That period you mention was definitely due to stagnation,
| on Sun's part. It wasn't "watch the pioneers as the crash
| and burn and pick the good parts". It was "we're stuck".
| cashewchoo wrote:
| That's probably fair. I was in high school during that
| period. I've mostly only ever known the Java owned by
| Oracle, where it seemed... reasonably kept? Java 8
| happened under Oracle, after all.
| valevk wrote:
| I really liked the Apache Click framework for building websites.
| I seemed so natural using it
| dmux wrote:
| I believe Wicket is somewhat similar (and still actively
| developed).
|
| https://wicket.apache.org/
| mcot2 wrote:
| Click was nice. A lot of the newer JS frameworks are basically
| client side replicas of it.
| andrewshadura wrote:
| Can't wait when Apache OpenOffice finally takes its place in the
| Attic.
| ognarb wrote:
| And it's a shame. OpenOffice should retire and forward all
| their SEO ranking to LibreOffice.
| jamestimmins wrote:
| Kinda surprised that XML is officially retired, since it's still
| in use for a lot of enterprise APIs.
| luhn wrote:
| You likely already know this, but for the sake of those
| reading: XML itself is still alive and well, what's retired is
| the "Apache XML Project," a collection of XML-related software.
| tannhaeuser wrote:
| Actually, according to the linked project page [1] only the
| "umbrella" XML project had been decomissioned; the only
| actual subpackages retired are axkit and xindice (never
| really used or even heard of those). Xerces, which as
| Xerces/J is a major part of Java's XML stack, and all the
| other subprojects have just migrated into standalone
| projects, including even XMLBeans which was resurrected on
| request of Apache's POI project for reading/creating MS
| Office files.
|
| [1]: http://archive.apache.org/dist/xml/
| jamestimmins wrote:
| Oh I actually didn't realize that. I thought it meant that
| XML itself was deprecated, but just still in use. Thanks for
| clarifying.
| patmorgan23 wrote:
| XML is a standard like HTML.
| regularfry wrote:
| It's even less momentous than that: "Apache XML Project"
| was a banner under which several different tools lived.
| Some of those tools have gone on to have their own lives
| and live on elsewhere.
| krisgenre wrote:
| Surprised to see iBATIS. Wasn't it a strong competitor to
| Hibernate once?
| shellac wrote:
| Forked by dev team as MyBatis.
|
| It's a different approach to Hibernate, but has similar ends.
| We recommended it for teams who were comfortable with writing
| SQL directly.
| based2 wrote:
| Now, it is MyBatis: https://mybatis.org/mybatis-3/
|
| with other forks https://github.com/baomidou/mybatis-plus
|
| If you want to compose your SQL queries, it is excellent.
| pjmlp wrote:
| Can vouch for it, it is my favourite option on the Java side,
| no need to try track down ORMs performance issues.
| accountLost wrote:
| It is still alive and very active but is now called MyBatis.
|
| https://blog.mybatis.org/p/about.html
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