[HN Gopher] Opensource.cooking: A simple, bloat-free cooking site
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Opensource.cooking: A simple, bloat-free cooking site
Author : locua
Score : 69 points
Date : 2021-04-07 17:05 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| yepthatsreality wrote:
| The evergreen Internet website idea.
| thrower123 wrote:
| People love to slag on recipe sites, and most of them are
| terrible, but the platonic ideal of the recipe site already
| exists. It's AllRecipes, provided you have UBlock Origin enabled.
| Even if you don't, the printer version of their recipes is
| perfect, and exactly what I would want.
|
| Example: -> https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/242040/egg-salad-
| with-chop...
| linsomniac wrote:
| Maybe 6 months ago a previous discussion here led me to Paprika,
| an Android/iOS app, and I've been loving it. It is a paid app,
| $5, IIRC.
|
| The killer feature is that you can be on a recipe in the browser
| and do "Share", pick Paprika, and it'll grab, almost without
| fail, the recipe from within the pages and pages of prose that
| most recipes have these days.
|
| I also use the sharing so my wife has access to the same recipe
| set, though she doesn't use it as much as I do. I use the Photos
| feature, and also take notes about how it comes out if I want to
| make changes.
| aimor wrote:
| In general I've given up on recipe aggregate sites. I have to be
| half-familiar with the dish just to fix all the things wrong with
| the recipes I find. In my opinion, divorcing the recipe from the
| curator is a huge mistake and no amount of user reviews overcomes
| this. What I really want to see are the recipes that some
| specific person actually makes in their daily life. Not icons who
| publish more recipes under their name than a single person could
| make in a lifetime, or test kitchens obsessed with creating the
| scientifically proven ideal form of a chocolate chip cookie, and
| definitely not bloggers churning out stories to grow an audience.
| I want John, who likes to cook, to let me leaf around in his
| recipe box (the one he actually uses), and if I make a dish and
| like it I want to be able to go back and dig around for more. I
| know this authenticity exists online, but I don't know how to
| find it. I imagine it as a big list of personal recipe box
| websites.
| samdafi wrote:
| Shameless plug but I tried to do that at
| https://www.sammakesfood.com. I made videos for the recipes
| too, but you do not have to watch those. It was a hobby project
| (not monetized) so no garbage. If somebody did this with maybe
| 30-75 mainstays and added search, is that kinda what you're
| looking for? I stopped because I wasn't sure if it would help
| anybody. My family enjoyed the videos during the pandemic as an
| alternate way to see me though, so, still worth it :D
| [deleted]
| qznc wrote:
| What is Open Source about it? Could not find license or anything.
| megous wrote:
| What is needed are cooking methods and a general sense of what
| combines well with what and in what proportions. Once you learn
| those, you can apply them to anything. Recipes are maybe useful
| for baking, where precise portions matter somewhat more (but you
| can get away with a lot there too), or for people who want to
| reproduce some particular food.
|
| But, it's not like you're trying to create a restaurant that may
| need good reproducibility of outcomes. Most home based cooks just
| want to feed themselves and their families and have some
| variability, and for the food to taste reasonably well.
|
| Buying ingredients also gets less frustrating, because you don't
| need a precise list, just a general idea of what you want to make
| that day.
|
| There are even books that help you discover taste affinities for
| ingredients.
| egeozcan wrote:
| I see some other open source recipe attempts but I could not find
| the source of this site. Am I getting it wrong?
|
| https://duckduckgo.com/?q=opensource.cooking
| jabo wrote:
| I recently built a recipe search site that lets you filter by
| ingredients: https://recipe-search.typesense.org/
|
| OP - if you have a JSON export of the data, I'd love to include
| it in the index.
| douglasquaid84 wrote:
| Is this not a clone of based.cooking?
| jarrell_mark wrote:
| Open source is nice but these recipes need to be stored on the
| blockchain
| JackFr wrote:
| Wanna buy the NFT for my chocolate chip cookies?
| dguaraglia wrote:
| You laugh, but I've heard that NFTs _taste better than the
| actual cookies they vaguely represent in JSON form_.
| ShaneMcGowan wrote:
| https://based.cooking is also a similar site
| cratermoon wrote:
| Isn't this just https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26419717
| reskinned?
| d_theorist wrote:
| Definitely looks like it.
| challengly wrote:
| Probably literally using their source code, but not linking
| back to it?
|
| https://github.com/lukesmithxyz/based.cooking
| domdev wrote:
| https://github.com/locua/based.cooking
|
| Their github with their fork of that repo.
| lupire wrote:
| Well, they added a donation feature to make money. Hacker
| style!
| hardwaregeek wrote:
| Haha adding garlic to carbonara. That'll get you some angry
| Italian comments.
|
| As I mentioned before[1], I'm skeptical of this premise. Recipes
| are hard to get right, hence the use of cross testers and
| standardized language in professional test kitchens.
|
| [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26420783
| jlkuester7 wrote:
| Very nice!
|
| Most recipe websites these days are horrible (poor layout,
| annoying popups/popovers, crazy amounts of content that have
| little or nothing to do with the recipe....). The minimalism of
| this website is refreshing. I only wish the website itself was
| also open source. It would be pretty cool to be able to
| collaborate on and enhance the site (and a SCM hosting platform
| like GitHub or GitLab would provide a built-in way for
| maintainers to evaluate new recipe submissions, etc.)
| benjaminclauss wrote:
| I have been thinking about how to solve this problem a lot
| lately. With the pandemic, I have been learning more recipes at
| home. I too share the frustration of browsing a recipe website
| and then getting a 7 paragraph story behind it. Just give me
| the recipe!
|
| started uploading some personal recipes to
| https://benjaminclauss.github.io/minimalchef/ with Hugo (PR's
| welcome) but this definitely will not scale
|
| I would definitely use a Strava for Cooking.
| fersarr wrote:
| open source ++
| fersarr wrote:
| hmm someone is messing it up already, I think. Spaghetti
| carbonara is under the tag 'banana'
| banana_giraffe wrote:
| And Spaghetti carbonara apparently involves no cook time at
| all.
| a2tech wrote:
| And submitting recipes is throwing an nginx error
| primis wrote:
| Would be nice to be able to tag vote to be able to fix
| something like this
| TheAdamAndChe wrote:
| Cool! Looks fun. What exactly is open source on the site? Is it
| the recipes? If so, then what license do they use? Is there any
| disclaimer of that on submission?
|
| I'm not dissing, just making sure your ducks are in a row. It's a
| fun idea!
| cratermoon wrote:
| Recipes cannot be copyrighted.
| neaden wrote:
| The recipe itself can't be, but you can't just copy and paste
| recipe text from one website to another.
| D13Fd wrote:
| Wrong. Lists of ingredients cannot be copyrighted. But the
| accompanying explanation can be copyrighted if it is
| substantial enough:
|
| https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html
|
| Beyond the recipes themselves, the collection may be
| copyrighted.
|
| The photos accompanying the recipes are also copyrighted.
| tyingq wrote:
| Is is the code, formatting, etc, that we're supposed to be
| looking at? Or the data itself?
|
| The data catches my eye because there seems to be quite a lot of
| bad data. Recipes with cooking time of 0, when it's clear that's
| not true. Typos like "Spahetti Carbonara". "Ham Sandwich" tagged
| as "Fruit".
|
| If we're supposed to ignore all that and just evaluate the CMS
| bit, it looks fine. But it doesn't seem very specific to cooking.
| Just tag organized text.
| k2enemy wrote:
| Thank you for the effort! You might consider using the recipe
| schema [0] for better interoperability with other recipe
| managers.
|
| [0] https://schema.org/Recipe
| mongol wrote:
| I think the ideal recipe website starts from well known dishes
| where each recipe is associated as a variant of a famous dish.
| There is no true Swedish meatballs recipe, so the heading
| "Swedish meatballs" should not have a recipe, it should have
| several. And then some kind of rating system should bubble the
| best ones to top.
| lggy wrote:
| I have been working on https://pancakes.cloud for the same
| reasons. No prose, strong sense of community and the recipes
| being just plaintext in the end. However, without good
| contributions, I don't think any such site can thrive.
| doersino wrote:
| Very neat!
|
| I've recently taken a stab at something like this, too - the
| result is a Pandoc-and-Bash-script-based static site generator
| for my personal recipe collection. Recipes are written in a
| format based on Markdown (with ingredients listed separately for
| each step, which comes in real handy while cooking), and the end
| result is a lightweight, responsive, searchable website. I've
| received very positive feedback when I shared it as a "Show HN" a
| week and a half ago.
|
| It's available as open source here:
| https://github.com/doersino/nyum
|
| There's also a demo:
| https://doersino.github.io/nyum/_site/index.html
|
| Finally, here's what the Markdown source for an example recipe
| looks like:
| https://raw.githubusercontent.com/doersino/nyum/main/_recipe...
| uhtred wrote:
| I think it needs some way for users to rate the recipes,
| otherwise I have no way of knowing which recipes are worth trying
| out. Trouble is you then are in the realm of having registered
| users, and life becomes no fun anymore.
| neaden wrote:
| So as someone who cooks a lot, and gets frustrated by long blog
| like posts that lots of recipes have this day, this website is
| probably even less useful for me. The tagging system isn't being
| used correctly, Ham Sandwich is tagged with Banana for some
| reason. Speaking of Ham sandwich some of the recipes are just way
| too simple, this just tells me how to assemble a sandwich which I
| don't think anyone really needs. Those are issues that can be
| solved long term, the other thing that will cause a problem long
| term is once this site starts getting repeat recipes. The blog
| like start to recipes may be annoying, but at least it sometimes
| helps you understand the decisions different people make for
| their recipes, or suggest substitutions/modifications.
|
| Edit: The Spaghetti Carbonara recipe actually has multiple
| mistakes. it says the cook time is 0 minutes, it tells you to add
| the beaten eggs but never tells you to beat them, the recipe
| includes butter as an ingredient but the recipe tells you to heat
| the oil, and never says to grate the cheese. If this was a wiki
| or something I could try to fix those issues, but as it currently
| is I don't see any way to even flag it. It's also tagged as
| Banana and Greasy.
| peter_retief wrote:
| Yes it really does need some work. There is a need for a simple
| well curated recipe site though, there is always lots of
| interest.
| JackFr wrote:
| I've found nothing better than the NYT Cooking site. High
| quality recipes well indexed, well formatted. Not
| ridiculously overwhelmed with ads.
|
| Alas, not free -- but for my money, well worth it.
| moehm wrote:
| Honest question: What is your problem with traditional
| cookbooks like "Le guide culinaire"[0]? They are a curated
| source of recipes which stood the test of time.
|
| [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_guide_culinaire
| JackFr wrote:
| Not OP, but I've got no problem with them. In fact given
| how bad most recipe websites are, I've largely returned to
| them.
| vanilla-almond wrote:
| " _There is a need for a simple well curated recipe site
| though, there is always lots of interest_ "
|
| Does BBC Food count? It's ad-free if you are in the UK
| (possibly not if you're outside the UK). It has a wealth of
| recipes and food-related content:
|
| https://www.bbc.co.uk/food
| debruinf wrote:
| I think crowd sourced recipes never work. Apart from obvious
| mistakes, a recipe is a very personal thing: how you describe
| steps, what ingredients, your cooking setup/hardware, what
| instruction you need, what ingredients are available etc. I
| recently did a Show HN[0] for a different approach: a private
| kitchen notebook to accommodate exactly this, your recipes.
|
| [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26609394
| angio wrote:
| The carborana recipe also includes garlic which I'm not saying
| is wrong, but it's not standard. Also carbonara has neither
| butter nor oil.
| duxup wrote:
| I just started moving my recipes all to ... github.
|
| I find it easier to manage a bunch of markdown files than
| anything else.
|
| Also rewriting them lets me list ingredients as groups as far
| as what goes together in a bowl or whatever ...the laundry list
| of ingredients so many sites list drives me crazy.
|
| Outside of America's Test Kitchen... I've never found a blog's
| exposition on why they did what they did helpful. More often
| than not their description actually makes me question if they
| actually cooked the recipe often enough (or at all).
| ehutch79 wrote:
| The long blog format is for SEO purposes
| slow_donkey wrote:
| I'm building a search engine for this exact issue - there's
| 10000 recipes for every dish but they have to be
| contextualized: Do I want mac and cheese in the next 30 minutes
| or am I serving this for Thanksgiving? Those are 2 different
| experiences and recipes.
|
| Even the base issue of at least ranking recipe blogs by quality
| isn't solved by other aggregators such as Google / Yummly which
| are more of a recipe dump.
|
| If you or anyone else is interested I'm planning to release a
| version in the coming weeks - email is in profile.
| danpalmer wrote:
| > The Spaghetti Carbonara recipe actually has multiple mistakes
|
| One of them being that it's called "Spahetti Carbonara".
|
| Separately, the recipe calls for whole eggs rather than egg
| yolks. This is a somewhat contentious issue, and many chefs
| have opinions one way or another. This recipe appears like it's
| The Definitive Spa(g)hetti Carbonara, but doesn't acknowledge
| that many consider it to be incorrect.
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| For me this is an issue with all recipe sites - my level of
| cooking ability, my ingredient preferences, how "authentic" I
| want to be, opinions I've formed on particular dishes - these
| are all very personal to me and unlikely to be fully
| represented in recipe sites.
|
| I've started keeping my own recipe collection comprised of
| recipes I've made and enjoyed, I make no attempt to make them
| publishable, and I edit them as much as I feel necessary.
| [deleted]
| smoe wrote:
| I think it is a bit less of an issue for normal cooking site,
| where it may say "Bob's Spahetti Carbonara". Whether it is
| authentic or not doesn't really matter.
|
| Whereas a site like this I reckon would aim for having
| definite versions of recipes, which is a) I think impossible
| for any dish and b) pretty much useless if you don't happen
| to live in the exact region where it is from.
|
| E.g. I have 3 different versions of the recipe for a Finnish
| blueberry pie. The original (well nothing original about it,
| just how my mother learned to make it), a Swiss version and a
| Colombian one. Because for the latter two I need different
| substitutes for the filling and slightly different
| measurements and baking time over all.
|
| For me, recipe sites are just a starting point and
| inspiration for the personal collection. And I prefer having
| many different versions, some traditional, some sacrilegious
| available to compare and try rather than trying to get them
| into a single lowest common denominator version.
| dogma1138 wrote:
| Buy a few good cooking books. Far better and more useful than
| hunting on the internet.
|
| And most importantly start your own recipe book.
| pessimizer wrote:
| I'd like a recipe site that included techniques at the same level
| as ingredients, and steps of preparation expressed as functions
| of techniques, utensils, and ingredients. Functional cooking.
|
| If I don't have the technique or the pans, I don't need the
| recipe to come up in a search.
| tecuan wrote:
| gods speed. Let me know when you have a keto tag.
| seattle_spring wrote:
| Tangentially related, but if I were to run for president I'd run
| on a single issue platform: Imprison anyone involved with the
| current state of online recipes. Want to write your 10 page life
| story for baked mac & cheese? Boom, 5 years in the slammer. Want
| to put 12 different ads on your recipe for baked Alaska Char? 10
| year minimum sentence.
|
| Involved in encouraging this behavior from the inside of Google?
| Sorry bub, that's gonna be three consecutive life sentences.
| morsch wrote:
| Please, Mr. President, carve out an exception for folks like
| the serious eats crew, who write genuinely useful culinary info
| in the introduction of their recipes.
|
| E.g.: _This classic bechamel-based mac and cheese is loaded to
| the hilt with cheese. Not only do we pack as much cheese as we
| can into the sauce itself, but we then mix the cooked pasta and
| cheese sauce with additional grated cheese, for tiny pockets of
| stretchy, melty bits throughout. One of the benefits of this
| method is that you can get enhanced browning in the oven,
| especially on the bottom and sides of the baking dish, thanks
| to the flour and butter in the sauce._ (it goes on)
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| https://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2016/11/classic-bechamel...
| bluefirebrand wrote:
| I'd vote for this, this is truly the most pressing issue of our
| time.
| acomjean wrote:
| Weirdly recipes aren't copyrightable..
|
| But personal stories are, And descriptive text is too. Probably
| why they're added.
|
| I'll agree about the ads. Thus we signed up for platejoy (YC
| 2017?)
| HaloZero wrote:
| Platejoy sounded like what I want but they don't even list
| the price of their service on their site which seems sketch.
| robotpony wrote:
| The price isn't even that bad, but it produces so much more
| packaging waste than cooking from scratch. We enjoyed the
| recipes, the price was good enough, but our recycling load
| doubled or more.
| yurielt wrote:
| Well you have h my vote ( and my axe)
| sto_hristo wrote:
| A fruit banana ham sandwich. Maybe add a upvote/downvote
| functionality so that such things can be send to the bottom.
| kslacroix wrote:
| Here's another one https://based.cooking/ who's also open soruce.
| You can submit recipes with PRs
| https://github.com/lukesmithxyz/based.cooking
| axaxs wrote:
| There's been a load of these on HN over the last few months.
|
| While I applaud the efforts (truly!), I hope the community can
| get behind one.
|
| Where I sit, I don't want to sit and type out my wife's recipes
| on a site that'll be gone in a year. So I'll wait.
| [deleted]
| SavantIdiot wrote:
| I really wish a curated site existed with the intent of the
| author, but there is more to this than just putting up a database
| and letting everyone pile on.
|
| This site, started in 1999, attempted OP's goals:
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| https://foodgeeks.com/
|
| ... it was probably one of my fave sites for years that was
| actively curated, but it took a LOT of time to keep healthy.
|
| I appreciate the effort, but this isn't as easy as it looks.
| zaptheimpaler wrote:
| Content is king..
| markdown wrote:
| There's a recipe on your site called Refried Beans. I've never
| heard of that dish, but in any case, either the recipe is wrong,
| or the name is. The recipe only calls for frying the beans once.
| mattkrause wrote:
| It's a false cognate for the Spanish 'frijoles refritos'.
|
| Frito = fried, but re is an "intensifier" that can mean "done
| again" but may also mean "done thoroughly" or even "in excess".
| Thus, they are beans that have been fried thoroughly.
| Tomte wrote:
| From Wikipedia:
|
| > As described by Rick Bayless, "they're refritos--not fried
| again, as you might assume, but "well fried" or "intensely
| fried," as that re translates from Spanish.
| buzz27 wrote:
| I still use the old Berkeley SOAR archive (which is now at
| recipesource.com).
| racl101 wrote:
| No fucking stories about how grandma used to make this dish
| before Poland was invaded and the entire history thereafter
| before we even get to the ingredients!
|
| I'm am down!
| peter_retief wrote:
| I see a ham sandwich under fruit?
| flatiron wrote:
| I've always wanted to make a GitHub for recipes. You can fork
| recipes. Submit pull requests. Public and private repositories.
| Versioning and commit history. Share with friends, Etc.
| jka wrote:
| You may be in luck:
|
| - https://www.cinc.kitchen/
|
| - https://github.com/lukesmithxyz/based.cooking/ (which the
| submitted site may be derived from?)
| flatiron wrote:
| That looks like a recipe site inside GitHub. What I wanted to
| make is a standalone website with git like branching and
| such. Everyone has their own little twist on recipes. I think
| it would be fun! I just need the time!
| jka wrote:
| Try the first link :)
| dan1234 wrote:
| That sounds like something I'd use. Especially if it could
| convert between American and metric units.
| banana_giraffe wrote:
| I have a little pet project from a long time ago that I tried
| to start with this, it lets me describe recipes like this:
| Recipe|Turkey Stuffing I|4 C==French bread hand torn
| into small pieces (about 1/4 inch pieces) I|3/4
| C==Butter I|3/4 C==Onion (minced) I|1 C==Celery
| I|1 Tbsp==Salt (less if bird is butterball or self basting)
| I|pinch==Pepper I|2 Tbsp==Sage, thyme, and marjoram
| mixture D|Melt butter in large skillet over low heat
| D|Add onion and celery & spices, stirring often until it all
| smells great. D|Pour 1/3 of the hot mixture over all
| the bread, then toss, then 1/3 more, toss, then last 1/3 and
| toss.
|
| From there it can produce a pretty webpage to view the recipe,
| or produce an ingredient list for shopping (and it has some
| basic concept of combining shopping lists sanely), and lets me
| search by ingredient.
|
| I always debate fleshing it out. 99% of the time spent with
| something like this is curating the recipes themselves, which
| I'm far from an expert in, and I don't want it to become a big
| time waster.
| robotpony wrote:
| I used Markdown for recipes for more than a decade, where UL
| were ingredients, OL were steps, and you could use as many
| sets of both as needed. With some CSS and JS it worked pretty
| well, but wasn't super accessible for family members to add
| recipes to (but was great for me).
| kampsun wrote:
| This reminds me that there's also recipes in Wikibooks.
| https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cookbook:Table_of_Contents
| https://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Category:Recipes
|
| I also usually get good results with recipes from Serious
| Eats[1], I also find that the in depth articles go into reasons
| behind the recipes, really help with knowing the "why", not only
| the "how".
|
| 1. https://www.seriouseats.com/
| memset wrote:
| (Semi related: I maintain plainoldrecipe.com, which makes it easy
| to create printable plain text versions of recipes online)
| [deleted]
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