[HN Gopher] Arch Linux's Install Media Adds "Archinstall" for Qu...
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       Arch Linux's Install Media Adds "Archinstall" for Quick/Easy
       Installations
        
       Author : Tajnymag
       Score  : 9 points
       Date   : 2021-04-04 20:21 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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       | papaf wrote:
       | The picture of the install shows that the install completed in 53
       | seconds. That's not enough time get make a coffee.
        
       | nix23 wrote:
       | Wow, it's about time after the deprecation of the old installer.
       | NOT saying the actual way is bad, but manjaro and stuff shows the
       | need for a easy install.
        
         | kartoshechka wrote:
         | An "old" installation is a nice gateway from people who might
         | want to 3-click install Ubuntu or Manjaro. With this move
         | causality of arch users will skyrocket imo
        
       | ostenning wrote:
       | Great news. The idea of having an installation process as a
       | gatekeeper is laughable. The more people who get access to Arch
       | the better. It is the best distro in my opinion.
       | 
       | I also find the it kind of ironic that the Arch community want
       | effortless hidpi scaling but aren't willing to let people into
       | there elitist gated community.
       | 
       | Linux is not a platform for elitism.
        
         | montroser wrote:
         | But manual Arch installation is really more like "teaching a
         | man to fish" -- and in that way is the opposite of gatekeeping.
         | Anyone with the curiosity and patience gets to have their hand
         | held through a learning process with all of the intricacies
         | explained and context given for the user to make their own
         | decisions along the way.
         | 
         | That said, I welcome the installer option as well. Once you've
         | been through the manual process a few times, it becomes less
         | about the journey and more about the destination.
        
         | rakoo wrote:
         | The current situation isn't some kind of gatekeeping move to
         | keep n00bs out. There has been an installer for years in the
         | past, but it wasn't maintained anymore; keeping the
         | distribution with some wiki pages to help people was certainly
         | better than to completely stop any installation until an
         | alternative was found.
        
       | elmerfud wrote:
       | I like the manual install method of Arch. I guess if their plan
       | is to increase market share this is a good move but the manual
       | install method represented a small bit of nice gatekeeping for
       | the distro.
       | 
       | There was always a number of wiki articles and tutorials that
       | helped people but it still wasn't new user friendly simple level.
       | Other distributions that had easier interfaces easier
       | installation methods were great for teaching people and keeping
       | the training wheels on or allowing them to cut their teeth on so
       | to speak. The other distros also have communities a built around
       | onboarding new users and answering a new user questions. Once
       | they were able to understand those basics and the few problems
       | that need to be overcome on a daily use basis moving to Arch
       | becomes quite simple after that.
       | 
       | Hopefully this doesn't flood the community with issues or
       | questions that the community doesn't want to deal with.
        
         | zozbot234 wrote:
         | > Other distributions that had easier interfaces easier
         | installation methods were great for teaching people and keeping
         | the training wheels on or allowing them to cut their teeth on
         | so to speak.
         | 
         | You can use the Arch install process on other distros with
         | tools like debootstrap (for Debian) or febootstrap (for
         | Fedora). The nice thing about Arch is that they went to great
         | length to document that particular workflow and make it a bit
         | more accessible to casual users.
        
         | m463 wrote:
         | I have had to keep a notes.txt file around because I don't
         | install often enough to remember what choices I made last time.
         | 
         | That said, I think it was a good (hard) experience installing
         | arch the first few times, and I'm a little conflicted.
         | 
         | Is this like the doctors saying "residents _should_ be sleep
         | deprived like I was at their age "... is it good experience or
         | is it clinging to outdated ways?
        
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