[HN Gopher] Mark Zuckerberg's phone number appeared among the le...
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Mark Zuckerberg's phone number appeared among the leaked data of
Facebook users
Author : seesawtron
Score : 331 points
Date : 2021-04-04 15:10 UTC (7 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.businessinsider.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.businessinsider.com)
| clankyclanker wrote:
| To put this in perspective, Faceboook just leaked information
| about, at most, 1 in every 15 people, _in the world._
|
| (Less, depending on the number of folks with multiple accounts,
| which FB seems to try to prevent?)
| 0x4d464d48 wrote:
| Not sure if you're trying to minimize the impact or draw
| attention to its severity but that is a colossal number.
| seesawtron wrote:
| This post is a nice way to put this number into perspective.
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/mjufnx/if_.
| ..
| ddevault wrote:
| This is why I call for zero-knowledge information exchange,
| decentralization, and genuine end-to-end encryption. The most
| secure data is data you don't have, and any company which claims
| to store data "securely" is grossly irresponsible. Even the
| world's largest tech companies with access to truly staggering
| engineering budgets can and will leak your data. It's not if:
| it's when.
|
| We need to regulate this.
| poundofshrimp wrote:
| I'm curious to see if existing regulation in this regard has
| been effective. I know there is HIPAA, but does it actually
| reduce data leaks in the Health Care field?
| BurningFrog wrote:
| The 10 digit number space is completely filled up, so you can
| just call/text numbers at random and be almost sure it reaches
| someone.
|
| So I think it's time to use UUIDs instead. They're hard to type,
| but you hardly ever need that.
|
| What am I missing?
| yuliyp wrote:
| WW91IGFyZW4ndCBtaXNzaW5nIGFueXRoaW5nLiBJdHMgcGVyZmVjdGx5IG5vcm1
| hbCBmb3IgaWRlbnRpZmllcnMgd2hpY2ggbWF5IG5lZWQgdG8gYmUgcmVhZC93cm
| l0dGVuIHRvIGxvb2sgbGlrZSBnaWJiZXJpc2gu
|
| UUIDs are horrible. While a computer doesn't really care about
| the way an identifier looks, humans sometimes _do_ need to look
| at them and operate on them (compare them, transcribe them,
| dictate them, recognize them).
| nyanpasu64 wrote:
| UUIDs are a _lot_ shorter than the gibberish you typed:
| 604a6a34-6d33-4148-8e75-6aee31b0d963
|
| It is true that it's difficult to compare and transcribe.
| iib wrote:
| When I opened this post, I saw it was much wider than any
| post I have seen on hackernews. I tried looking into the css,
| I thought it was somehow different, for whatever reason.
|
| I could not find anything and then I encountered your
| comment. Apparently, your unbreakable long word makes the
| site very wide.
|
| I didn't know comments can affect how wide the page borders
| are. Is this not bad UI? I am unsure who to ask.
| bezoz wrote:
| Maybe Mark Zuckerberg can sue Facebook, get a handsome reward and
| just put it back in the company, so it all evens out in the end?
| xwx wrote:
| According to this tweet, this shows the Zuck himself uses Signal:
| https://twitter.com/michilehr/status/1378666681451569153
| johannes1234321 wrote:
| You must observe the competition and maybe he doesn't want his
| employees to be able to see what he is doing :-D
| bellyfullofbac wrote:
| What a useless screenshot. Sure if we believe him then he
| actually added Zuck's number into his address book and he got
| this notification from Signal. But if I want to doctor a
| screenshot like this, I can rename my non-Signal-using friend
| in my address book to "Zuck", and make my friend install
| Signal, and voila, "Zuck is now using Signal"...
| Yajirobe wrote:
| Yes, that is totally Mark Zuckerberg
| milansuk wrote:
| I'm not on Facebook for 2years, but I'm thinking about
| downloading the database just to see If I'm in it. I don't care
| about other records. Or do I have other options to figure it out?
|
| Edit: I forgot about haveibeenpwned.com. Any info about when they
| will add this leak?
|
| Edit2: Haveibeenpwned added 2.5 million email addresses. But it's
| possible that my record doesn't have email.
| Jaygles wrote:
| I deactivated my FB account 3-4 years ago, not deleted. For
| some reason I am not in this leak. At least not in the USA
| file.
| milansuk wrote:
| Thanks. I just found my backup file(exported from Facebook
| when I deleted the account) and it's dated September 2016, so
| it's actually 4.5 years. Time flies and I don't regret that
| decision at all!
| bart__ wrote:
| There is a torrent you can download, I used jackett to find it
| viraptor wrote:
| You can find him on Signal now
| https://mobile.twitter.com/Daviey/status/1378645798439768064
| ben509 wrote:
| There's a good discussion on this by Troy Hunt[1].
|
| > But for spam based on using phone number alone, it's gold. Not
| just SMS, there are heaps of services that just require a phone
| number these days and now there's hundreds of millions of them
| conveniently categorised by country with nice mail merge fields
| like name and gender.[2]
|
| > Another general observation on this incident: I'm seeing
| _extensive_ sharing of the data, both the entire corpus of
| countries and individual country files. Not just in hacking
| circles, but very broadly on social media too. This data is
| everywhere already.[3]
|
| > New breach: Facebook had 2.5M addresses exposed in an incident
| that impacted 533M subscribers' phone numbers. Most records
| contained name and gender, many also included DoB, location,
| relationship status and employer. 65% were already in
| @haveibeenpwned[4]
|
| > If we look at the data, email is rare, DoB is rare so the
| greatest impact here is the phone numbers. Even though it's
| "only" 20% of FB users, the number is obviously substantial thus
| so is the impact[5]
|
| [1]: https://twitter.com/troyhunt
|
| [2]: https://twitter.com/troyhunt/status/1378485999781613569
|
| [3]: https://twitter.com/troyhunt/status/1378513457209696256
|
| [4]:
| https://twitter.com/haveibeenpwned/status/137855490210063565...
|
| [5]: https://twitter.com/troyhunt/status/1378474534760685568
| usr1106 wrote:
| > Another general observation on this incident: I'm seeing
| extensive sharing of the data, both the entire corpus of
| countries and individual country files. Not just in hacking
| circles, but very broadly on social media too.
|
| I made a Google search 8 hours ago. There were 10 pages hits of
| link spammers where you have won an Iphone, but they don't have
| the data. So, yes public interest seems big. I wonder why
| Google cannot catch those, after opening the first one I could
| recognize the rest from the address and the snippet. Google did
| not have a correct link that still had the data. Maybe they are
| not publishing those, getting bad reputation to big data is not
| exactly in their interest.
| th3h4mm3r wrote:
| Maybe in the dark net? Anyone check this?
| adkadskhj wrote:
| Anyone know if Haveibeenpwned will have this type of info? I'm
| super curious to search my name, warn people i know, etc - but
| i'm not sure i want to search for and/or download the data.
|
| What's a good way to know if myself or my loved ones are in it?
| sbuk wrote:
| https://twitter.com/troyhunt/status/1378463581604220931
|
| "I've had a heap of queries about this. I'm looking into it
| and yes, if it's legit and suitable for @haveibeenpwned it'll
| be searchable there shortly."
|
| I'm sure it will be.
| ginko wrote:
| Seems he'll only add the records with email addresses and
| not phone numbers:
|
| > And no, I have no intention of adding phone number search
| in the foreseeable future. There's a User Voice suggestion
| for that and a comment from me which boils down to "much
| higher work and much lower value"
| dktalks wrote:
| Not sure how this is too much work unless everything is
| tightly coupled with relating an email address to
| everything in their database and not a keyword to search
| for.
| Waterluvian wrote:
| Impossible to have an informed opinion while lacking all
| information about how the back end is designed and what
| the author does with their time.
| cush wrote:
| Everyone likes to be an armchair architect.
| dave5104 wrote:
| Seems the difficult work is normalizing all of the data
| and making it easily searchable for all:
|
| > I also can't parse the, out with a regex like I can an
| email address as they don't adhere to a consistent
| format. Further, the inconsistencies in format make
| searching difficult as they'd have to be "normalised" and
| that's something that's very country (and even region)
| specific.
|
| https://haveibeenpwned.uservoice.com/forums/275398-genera
| l/s...
| sbuk wrote:
| https://haveibeenpwned.com/PwnedWebsites#Facebook
| perl4ever wrote:
| >65% were already in @haveibeenpwned
|
| So is this breach related to reusing or having a weak password?
|
| Or is it completely independent?
| reitanqild wrote:
| Someone (or a script) flagged Ronson who had posted direct links.
|
| I only tested the Norway link in his post but that was legit.
|
| (I first verified with Virustotal and then thought twice before
| opening the zip file.)
| tpmx wrote:
| Karma?
|
| "People just submitted it. I don't know why. They 'trust me'.
| Dumb f*cks."
| readflaggedcomm wrote:
| If this were a game of intrigue, it would provide plausible
| deniability for anybody who got caught with his contacts. Would
| have been fun to include that in the article.
| [deleted]
| lsllc wrote:
| I've never been an FB "person", but maybe 6-7 years ago the local
| running club moved to scheduling _everything_ on FB. For a while,
| the page was "public", but then you had to have an account
| (which required a phone number) to see anything other than the
| club's "landing page". So I ended up making an FB account which
| I've only ever used to be able to see the club pages (I haven't
| ever posted anything!) -- dumb of me I know, but FB had almost
| become a requirement to participate in life.
|
| However recently, I've noticed that I now get a couple of junk
| text every day or two whereas up until a few weeks ago, I don't
| think I'd ever had a single junk text.
|
| I wonder if this is why.
| sneak wrote:
| It's antisocial to demand someone submit to surveillance
| capitalism to participate in a club or a friendship.
|
| Complain loudly, and delete your fb account. Be a nuisance
| about it at club meetups.
|
| Caving just makes it worse for the next guy.
| chiph wrote:
| The cost of sending texts has gone to effectively zero, so
| there's no barrier to someone sending one to all the numbers in
| sequence. At least, until the phone company catches on and
| blocks you.
|
| The one I got late last night was pretending to be from the US
| Postal Service, prompting me to click on an anonymous link in
| order to "rescedule delivery"
| vanviegen wrote:
| That's interesting. SMS wholesale prices in my part of the
| world (Western Europe) are still at around $0.07. This seems
| to indicate some kind of market failure. But whatever it is,
| it's fine by me, as I can still count the number of spam/scam
| text message I ever received on one hand.
|
| So how can we cause the email market to fail in a similar
| way? ;-)
| johannes1234321 wrote:
| > That's interesting. SMS wholesale prices in my part of
| the world (Western Europe) are still at around $0.07.
|
| Isn't it rather they was it is supposed to be? -
| "Everybody" uses messengers for communication. SMS has lost
| that battle. Whoever uses SMS does so due to a need.
| LeifCarrotson wrote:
| No, many of my peers (30somethings in midwestern US)
| default to SMS. The only platforms you can guarantee
| everyone in a group can be expected to have are email,
| SMS, or phone calls, so for informal social stuff we end
| up in a text message thread.
|
| Probably 80% have Facebook, 50% iMessage, 30% Discord 20%
| Twitter/Signal/Telegram/Whatsapp (pre-FB).
|
| What messenger app can you depend on everyone having if
| not one of those three federated platforms?
| chrisan wrote:
| You can explain to your friends that group text messages
| are horrible, and there are far better ways of having
| daily conversations with separate threads.
|
| Nearly all of my 40 something friends from the Midwest
| have both telegram and discord, however telegram is
| primarily used as its just better on mobile. We have
| groups for all kinds of topics, cars, garden, tv, movies,
| sports, politics (ewww), etc. If you aren't interested in
| lawncare simply leave or mute the group in remain in
| touch via other mutual groups. The only guy not in the
| group is someone who still prefers phone calls.
|
| I've yet to not be able to convince someone that separate
| threads/groups is way better than a bulk text group.
| smabie wrote:
| Is that true tho? Me and my friends use SMS a lot. But
| maybe other people don't?
| ghaff wrote:
| In the US, pretty much everyone I know uses SMS/iMessage
| (in addition to the use of SMS for verification,
| appointment reminders, etc.) The main exception is Google
| Chat at work because we use GSuite. Sometimes Twitter DM
| if I don't have someone's email handy. But I have a total
| of 1 friend in Europe who I use Facebook Messenger with.
| DangitBobby wrote:
| For one-on-one messaging, SMS is still very alive.
| dvfjsdhgfv wrote:
| That's interesting. Where I live I have unlimited text
| messages and minutes for EUR5/month. So whenever I want
| to text someone, I just use SMS - I don't have to think
| if they use Whatsapp, Messenger or something else. (Apple
| hijacks them but is doing so more or less transparently,
| so I don't mind.)
| RileyJames wrote:
| I'm not sure spammers pay wholesale rates. Pretty sure they
| purchase the cheapest SIM cards with unlimited texts and
| put them in gsm modems which spam out texts.
|
| In Australia a SIM card can be purchased retail, with
| unlimited texts for $5.
|
| At 750~ texts sent you've already beat that wholesale rate.
| That's approximately one an hour, over the month. I'd be
| surprised if they couldn't pump much larger volumes.
| fourier456 wrote:
| For whatever reason, I find it creepy to read about other
| people having received the same spam that I did.
| dillondoyle wrote:
| Going to get worse SCOTUS just ruled saying a very strict
| reading definition on robocall to be only random or
| sequential numbers. So if you already have a list say bought
| from a 3rd party company of all the phones in the US sounds
| like you can bulk send now no repercussions.
|
| In my field - politics - campaigns use tools like Hustle
| which are basically mechanical turk clickers to get around
| these rules. I'm thinking personally this will change...
| [deleted]
| nradov wrote:
| Have you actually read the whole SCOTUS decision? Because
| that's not at all what it said.
| [deleted]
| URSpider94 wrote:
| I haven't seen a clear analysis of the decision's impact.
| I've read it, it's quite brief. As I understand it, this
| decision essentially guts the blanket prohibition on spam
| text messages to cell phones. The rest of the law refers
| to restrictions on calls to "residential" phone lines,
| which does not include cell phones, so it's not clear
| that there are any other limitations on texts to cell
| phones - do you see it differently?
|
| This brings up the side issue that the act doesn't ever
| mention text messages at all ... everyone has interpreted
| them to be covered as if they were phone calls, but
| that's never been tested at the Supreme Court level.
| sgerenser wrote:
| The decision was unanimous and is really the only
| possible conclusion from a plain reading of the law. The
| court didn't "gut" anything, it's just a bad law. It's up
| to Congress to enact a law that says what they actually
| want the law to do.
| wruza wrote:
| I think the opposite is true: still quite high costs are the
| cause of SMS spam. If the carriers did not profit from this,
| they would have destroyed SMS spam as a phenomenon on the
| same day.
| posguy wrote:
| AT&T, Verizon, US Cellular and T-Mobile have all imposed
| fees on Application to Person SMSes, so they definitely are
| making more money off this:
| https://www.plivo.com/blog/a2p-10dlc/
| grumple wrote:
| I have also noticed this the past couple weeks. I don't think
| it's related to Facebook- I deleted my Facebook account before
| 2019. However, I've also recently had discussions with Twilio
| (all of the below is non-confidential information according to
| our conversation):
|
| The carriers are cracking down on sms spam. They are going to
| force registration of all businesses sending texts, not just
| with services like Twilio, but with them. And prices / rent-
| seeking from the carriers is going up - they are going to
| charge for each campaign/brand you run. So in the end you'll
| see less spam, but texting will also cost more for companies
| that send them.
|
| The initial rollout by AT&T was supposed to start 5/1, though
| that's now been pushed back. Spammers are likely in their death
| throes, trying to get their last spam out before they get shut
| down or priced out.
| baby wrote:
| > However recently, I've noticed that I now get a couple of
| junk text every day or two whereas up until a few weeks ago, I
| don't think I'd ever had a single junk text.
|
| I think this is a symptom of living in the US. Been receiving
| robocalls and text messages all the time since I moved here.
| dylan604 wrote:
| You also have to consider that someone somewhere probably had
| your phone number before you did. There's no telling what the
| previous person did with that number.
| frongpik wrote:
| I can tell you why. It's because you gave FB your personal
| phone number, while any number would work, e.g. a prepaid sim
| card (a one time 15 bucks expense).
| vmception wrote:
| but more likely, someone else uploaded their own entire
| contact book which included your number and likely email at
| one point
| techrat wrote:
| I signed up before Facebook ever required phone numbers.
|
| I never gave Facebook my phone number.
|
| I never had a Facebook app on any Android device, ever.
|
| When I use Facebook, it's in a sandboxed browser that I never
| log into any other site with.
|
| Facebook, for a time, started autofilling a prompt with my
| phone number, asking me to complete my account setup.
|
| When Facebook has an app and all the people you know send
| their contacts to it, they don't need you to give them your
| phone number for them to have it.
| Taniwha wrote:
| In my case it's even worse - someone else signed up with my
| email address ...
| executive wrote:
| Ebay recently got my number too, not sure how. PayPal
| perhaps.
| Guest42 wrote:
| I did some research and it seemed as though the companies
| would auto-renew and make it incredibly tough to close the
| accounts. I wouldn't be surprised if some went so far as to
| send people to collections for "fees".
| frongpik wrote:
| You don't need to give your ID or sign up for auto renewal.
| koolba wrote:
| There's no auto renewal, contract, or collections for a
| prepaid sim. In most states you don't even show ID to get
| one. Just give whatever name you'd like on the caller ID
| and pay the first month.
| dataflow wrote:
| Interesting, didn't know this can differ based on the
| state. Which ones do/don't let you do this?
| Cu3PO42 wrote:
| Please be aware that this is not true for all countries.
| I can, for example, not get a SIM without submitting ID
| and proof of residence (if not already covered by ID).
| Guest42 wrote:
| Can you show me an example of one that can be purchased
| online? I didn't notice any on Amazon when I looked. (for
| curiosity's sake)
| koolba wrote:
| I'm not sure about online, but I know you can walk into a
| T-mobile store with $15 cash and walk out with a SIM
| card.
| dylan604 wrote:
| Or better yet, have someone else walk into the
| brick&mortar store to buy it for you
| jrockway wrote:
| Used that method as my primary cell phone contract for
| many years.
|
| I haven't looked into it recently, but it must be easy.
| Many games have SMS verification for accounts, and it
| seems that every person that streams those games has like
| 10 accounts.
| tablespoon wrote:
| Or a Walmart. Years ago, before Google Voice, I got one
| because I needed a local area code number for my
| apartment's buzzer. Mainly to see that if I could do it,
| I did things as anonymously as possible: bought a
| Tracphone at Walmart with cash. Turns out you needed an
| existing phone number to activate it, so I used the
| payphone that was outside a nearby gas station.
| anticristi wrote:
| I feel your pain. Getting announcements from my local skating
| club is the only reason why I keep my FB account. :(
| rantwasp wrote:
| yeah no. FB is not a requirement to participate in life. never
| was, never will be.
|
| i would say FB is a requirement for feeling inadequate and for
| developing mental health problems early in life.
|
| LE: going full stallman on this one:
| https://stallman.org/facebook.html
|
| read it and tell me i'm crazy
| Forge36 wrote:
| A friend of mine successfully quit for years. He moved to a
| small town recently made a new account because "small towns
| apparently run on Facebook". While but true for everyone it's
| true in some places
| rantwasp wrote:
| some places require you to be a hardcore christian and a
| white supremacist. Are those places the best examples?
| Forge36 wrote:
| Those don't discount Facebook being required. Fortunately
| this place didn't require hardcore christianity. (I'm
| hopeful it's not filled with white supremacists, time
| will tell)
| CameronNemo wrote:
| My RA at uni used Facebook to coordinate floor wide games and
| events. Several on campus organizations exclusively used
| Facebook to inform people of events.
|
| FB was not a requirement for attending uni, but it was a
| requirement for being fully involved on my campus.
| aiilns wrote:
| I don't really agree with rantwasp and in his/hers answer
| to you I don't understand what he is talking about
| lawsuits.
|
| In my university (in Europe) not only several student
| organizations used exclusiveley Facebook, but professors
| (well students really) as well.
|
| For example, we would be teams of maybe ~10 -20 people at a
| given hospital department and because situations were fluid
| and changes constant we needed to coordinate. Times of
| impromtu lectures obviously weren't set, patients that may
| be of interest for all to see & know the case etc were
| always changing. The doctors would inform one student and
| then depend on the students informing each other for all
| these things and guess what they used. Facebook &
| messenger.
|
| In this situation the only out was depending on a person
| who had a fb account to inform me which did add extra
| difficulties. That is what I did mostly but it wasn't easy.
| __turbobrew__ wrote:
| That sounds horrible. Universities -- especially public
| ones -- should relay communications through either open
| standards (email) or through a university maintained
| website.
|
| My university in Canada did well in this respect. I would
| have thought that European universities would be
| "enlightened" to the fact that using a private company to
| relay university communications is a mistake.
| Cu3PO42 wrote:
| I'm at a public University in Europe and can say that we
| do occasionally rely on third parties, but only such
| third parties with which we have an appropriate contract.
|
| We also have self-hosted equivalent for almost everything
| and a quick email to the data protection officer will get
| problems rectified swiftly.
|
| Most student organizations are also very mindful about
| not using third party services for their events. However,
| we often get the feedback that many students would rather
| we just use Discord rather than Mattermost/Jitsu/...
| rantwasp wrote:
| sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen if you ask me. How
| is uni tied to a crappy corporation?
|
| i'm gonna bet you real money that 1) either they had
| multiple channels (ie you didn't really need FB) or 2) they
| will pay legal fees through their noses once the shit hits
| the proverbial fan.
| barbazoo wrote:
| > games and events
|
| Not tied to uni but virtually mandatory to participate in
| social events. Sure you can just say to simply opt out
| but then it might be more difficult to socialize.
| nradov wrote:
| There's no basis for such a lawsuit. You might not like
| it but they're not breaking the law.
| rantwasp wrote:
| hmm. i'm not sure that's true. a university has more
| things to consider than just "can we use this app?"
| otterley wrote:
| Consider attending law school so you can learn the law
| instead of just guessing what it might be.
| Cu3PO42 wrote:
| That would depend on where the parent is from. In Germany
| you would absolutely have a case if your public
| University tried to make you use Facebook. In fact, you
| could probably skip the lawsuit and just report it to the
| appropriate authority.
| xmprt wrote:
| I don't think any public university is _making_ someone
| use Facebook. The issue is that every single event is
| posted on Facebook so your options are either 1. create a
| Facebook so you can find out, 2. don 't participate, or
| 3. inconvenience your friends by asking them to tell you
| about all the events.
| MegaButts wrote:
| > i'm gonna bet you real money that 1) either they had
| multiple channels (ie you didn't really need FB) or 2)
| they will pay legal fees through their noses once the
| shit hits the proverbial fan.
|
| I'm interested in this bet. How much and what are the
| terms?
| johannes1234321 wrote:
| There are cases where there might be a basis for a
| lawsuit (some professor at a public university hiding in
| Facebook)
|
| But for the way the student leaning group organizes or
| the restaurant down the road takes reservation or what
| medium is used by the parents of my child's school class
| to discuss things is not a legal concern.
| H_Pylori wrote:
| Are shoes really a requirement to partecipate in society?
| tester756 wrote:
| Unfortunely without FB studying (attending) would be 10 times
| harder.
| vijaybritto wrote:
| I'm not getting the link between study and Facebook. Is it
| required in your country?
| Raed667 wrote:
| When I was in school, a lot of the teachers would create
| Facebook Groups per class to share documents, prep-work,
| assignments etc..
|
| I think the school moved to a self hosted Moodle[0] by
| now, but when I was there having a Facebook account was
| definitely required.
|
| A friend of mine is also struggling with his kids' soccer
| practice as they only organize and do announcements over
| Facebook.
|
| [0] https://moodle.org
| tester756 wrote:
| it isn't, but if you don't want to make everything harder
| for you
|
| like being aware of what's going on -
| (projects,tasks,exams,blabla), communication with all
| other students
|
| then you're basically forced.
| easton wrote:
| What country are you in? In the US everything school
| related goes onto Canvas, Blackboard or Moodle. There's
| some other tools people use as well (Piazza being popular
| at some schools), but I've never heard of school info going
| primarily on Facebook, even for study groups.
| tester756 wrote:
| There's a lot of of informal stuff that you also want to
| know/be aware of from those facebook chats.
|
| It's not like the school itself requires you to use FB,
| but students desire to use it as a way of _our_
| communication
| easton wrote:
| Interesting. Around here, that all goes on GroupMe or
| Discord.
| tester756 wrote:
| I've been studying in different "mode", cuz it was on
| weekends so you could work while studying.
|
| Because of that I've been studying with people that were
| e.g 25 or 30 at 1st semester, so probably FB was the
| handiest solution for everybody.
|
| I guess if I started now with 19/20yos, then Discord
| would be way to go.
| rantwasp wrote:
| is it harder? maybe. is it a requirement? nah
| tester756 wrote:
| at some point of the increased difficulty it becomes a
| requirement.
| rantwasp wrote:
| it does not. FB becoming a requirement is such a 1st
| world problem. Try living without clean water and come
| back to lecture me about "increased difficulty"
| tester756 wrote:
| holy shit dude
|
| yea, water is required to live, facebook is required to
| get degree times easier in my example, those aren't
| mutually excluisive
|
| what do you want to argue here about, except just arguing
| for the sake of arguing?
|
| I don't like fb, I don't use it when I don't have to and
| after graduation I'm probably not going to use it more
| often than once a X months,
|
| but I had to have & sometimes use it unless I wanted to
| make my life harder - I don't like it, but that's the
| reality.
| rantwasp wrote:
| I am not arguing with you. I am pointing out FB is a POS
| and that it should not be required. Period.
|
| Anything that uses FB as a way of keeping people informed
| should use at least another channel to disseminate that
| information, preferably not tied to big corporations.
| tester756 wrote:
| >should use at least another channel
|
| how are you going to convince
| $whole_group_of_students_of_given_year to move
| communication off the facebook?
| herbst wrote:
| By not participating, loudly. Easy as that
|
| By taking part you just make this more normal/ok than it
| really is
| johannes1234321 wrote:
| Maybe that would work now (while nowadays some people
| look confussed at me that I don't have an instagram
| account) but at least ten years ago that brought a
| reaction like "weirdo" and people continued to use their
| group. In some cases you have a friend who relates
| messages to you.
|
| In these days, where in presence school in many places
| doesn't happen students know each other only virtually,
| if you don't hang out where the crowd is, there is no
| chance of getting information.
| ryandrake wrote:
| If some group of friends shuns you because they insist on
| you using Facebook, then I have bad news for you: they
| might not be such good friends as you think.
|
| I've been off FB for close to 10 years now and I can say
| with confidence that it has not had any measurable
| detrimental effect on my social life. My friends know I'm
| not there and know how to contact me, and they do. An
| event that is exclusively organized on FB is not an event
| I want to participate in, so I don't. Dumping FB probably
| improved my social life and mental health since I'm not
| wasting so much life "scrolling the feed" anymore.
| johannes1234321 wrote:
| As do, I but in some situations it's hard to avoid. But
| good it works for you.
| throwaway3699 wrote:
| How do you participate in a boycott loudly when you can't
| announce your lack of presence?
|
| That's like protesting a party by leaving the room.
| Cu3PO42 wrote:
| Great. When I was in high school, Facebook was used for
| organizing all the student activities. I didn't have
| Facebook and of course people said they'd let me know
| through other means. Spoiler alert: they almost never
| did.
|
| So the alternative was to either bite the bullet and
| create a Facebook account or be left out of a ton of
| activities. And no, making them go somewhere else wasn't
| an option. I didn't have any leverage in that
| negotiation.
|
| I can appreciate that by giving in I am at worst part of
| the problem and maybe today I'd do it differently, but I
| really didn't fancy crippling my social life and I
| wouldn't blame anyone for making that choice.
| tester756 wrote:
| and if nobody moves then?
|
| then I'm at the disadvantage, sad but that's the reality.
| yibg wrote:
| It's also not a requirement to have a phone, or internet,
| or electricity. Harder sure, but not a requirement right?
| rantwasp wrote:
| nah. let's not compare electricity to a bloated social
| media platform. if FB goes away tomorrow we can pretty
| much keep going. if electricity goes away our society
| would crumble.
| Scoundreller wrote:
| I'd use "grid electricity" as my example. You can
| generate your own in the right circumstances, with a lot
| of benefits, but it can make things kinda difficult.
| Blikkentrekker wrote:
| There is no objective definition of "participating in life".
|
| What quibble of semantics.
| jrockway wrote:
| I get an infinite amount of spam texts and I don't have a
| Facebook account. (I did have one in college when it first came
| out, but I don't think I gave them my phone number, and if I
| did, that phone number is no longer in use. I switch phone
| numbers every time I switch cell providers.)
| ordx wrote:
| Facebook still may have your phone number if a business
| uploaded your phone number for targeting.
| jrockway wrote:
| I'm sure they have plenty of information on me. I doubt
| that it is the primary source of spam texts, that's all I'm
| saying.
|
| Many of my spam texts seem to know what state I'm in
| despite my area code being assigned to a different state,
| so I'm guessing they get them from voter records, political
| donations, that sort of thing.
| andi999 wrote:
| Using WhatsApp?
| jrockway wrote:
| Nope. It's not really a thing in the US.
| whatever_dude wrote:
| You should disable apps api on your profile.
| rogerdickey wrote:
| Why are so many HN users against Facebook, and quick to
| reassure others that they only signed up out of necessity? FB &
| Instagram present a perfectly acceptable entertainment vs
| privacy trade off. Sure, it's also a waste of time, but so is
| everything else you don't like.
| wizzwizz4 wrote:
| Facebook knows where you live, where you shop, who you meet,
| what you say, what you buy, where you go - perhaps when you
| wake and sleep -... and in exchange, you get some chat rooms,
| a MySpace page, advertised at, and to be a non-consensual
| subject in psychological experiments. (Libel notice: they
| might not do the last one much any more.)
| rogerdickey wrote:
| Most of this happens if you 1) sign up for FB 2) install
| their app. If you don't do both of these things they can't
| track you, right?
| sneak wrote:
| Unfortunately this is not true.
| scbrg wrote:
| > FB & Instagram present a perfectly acceptable entertainment
| vs privacy trade off.
|
| I'm glad you're here to establish this objective fact for
| those of us who didn't know ;-)
| mulmen wrote:
| Because the network effect reduces choice and competition. I
| don't get to vote with my wallet with Facebook. I can
| participate in society or not have Facebook.
|
| My mom was recently told by a state elected representative
| that she would have to contact them through Facebook to
| provide feedback on legislation. This is not a "valid
| tradeoff" nor does it have to do with "entertainment".
| dylan604 wrote:
| > I can participate in society or not have Facebook.
|
| You can participate in society AND not have facebook.
| Judgmentality wrote:
| I feel like you stopped reading his comment after that
| part, because he gives an example that disproves your
| claim.
| dylan604 wrote:
| That was one example, and personally, not a strong one.
| That does not stop one from participating in society.
| Society is much larger than the single example provided.
| Hydraulix989 wrote:
| This is a valid contrarian take.
| misiti3780 wrote:
| I have been getting a lot of spam texts and also an unusually
| large spam calls from the social security administration. I
| tell teh guy/gal on the line every time to quit calling me
| because they are wasting their time and i know it's a scam,
| they keep calling...
| null_deref wrote:
| I don't think the little guy that's calling you cares that
| much, or that the organization that runs the call center is
| organizaed well enough to receive a piece of information from
| the bottom end employee and act on it.
| banana_giraffe wrote:
| Not just Zuckerberg's, but Dustin Moskovitz and Chris Hughes are
| there as well. Interesting to see who has low user IDs in the
| dump.
|
| Also mildly entertaining to see some names that are probably test
| accounts now associated with Facebook people in Google as people
| try to see who they are.
| mikkohypponen wrote:
| See https://twitter.com/mikko/status/1378701810815352833
| koolba wrote:
| Maybe 1 was an admin account and 2 & 3 were for Winkelvii.
| nabla9 wrote:
| https://twitter.com/mikko/status/1378732263266004994
| tyingq wrote:
| I feel for the person who gets that number next once it's
| recycled.
| xyst wrote:
| I would take it and just automatically send all calls to
| voicemail and archive the text messages.
|
| It will be a more modern '867-5309', however instead of people
| searching for love it will be a consolidation of the collective
| hate for a single entity/person.
| mrweasel wrote:
| Is the phone number really that big an issue? I mean here phone
| numbers are 8 digits, randomly guess a phone number will almost
| certainly result in a working number.
|
| The spam I see and hear about is just random dialing from
| Albanian numbers, hoping that you'll call back.
| tyingq wrote:
| I've gotten a new phone number and given it back because of
| the amount of calls it was getting.
| baby wrote:
| Good comment. Why do people care if their phone number gets
| leaked? There use to be a yellow page book with everybody's
| phone number. Also, phone numbers are not identities. I change
| phone number every year on average.
| Judgmentality wrote:
| Many people never change phone numbers. I've had the same
| cell phone number since I was a teenager, and I suspect I
| will have it until I die.
|
| It's the most identifiable thing about me other than my
| social security number. Even my driver's license number has
| changed more than my cell phone, and I don't always have a
| valid passport.
| Scoundreller wrote:
| I'll take it. "Thank you for calling the executive office
| complaint line. To file a priority incident at the cost of $99,
| enter your visa/MasterCard number now"
| fnord77 wrote:
| I look forward to your medium post about what it is like in
| prison.
| unstatusthequo wrote:
| He is providing a service to pass complaints on to
| Facebook. Consideration for value received. What's illegal
| about that?
| orthecreedence wrote:
| It's fraud.
| perl4ever wrote:
| Saying "the executive office complaint line" isn't
| implying it's _Facebook 's_ complaint line. There is no
| legal obligation for the person on the other end of a
| call to be who you expect.
|
| Who would even assume that such a thing would not be
| outsourced _if_ it were affiliated?
|
| And "a priority incident" can't be a misrepresentation
| inasmuch as "priority" is inherently relative.
|
| As a matter of "legal realism" people might be right that
| it would land you in prison if you are just Joe/Jane
| Schmoe. But I see absolutely no logical justification for
| that when companies do things at least as shady all the
| time without serious consequences.
| Scoundreller wrote:
| You can't stop someone that _wants_ to pay to file a
| complaint.
| lstamour wrote:
| Pretty sure you'll get shut down by the networks due to
| chargebacks... unless you have a quick "press 9 for a
| refund..."
| Scoundreller wrote:
| Iunno, someone that thinks they're getting somewhere by
| calling Zuck directly may not know what a chargeback is.
|
| I know Congress has tried calling upon him and just gave
| up.
| shoeshoeshoey wrote:
| The data is missing some people like former Facebook executive
| Jay Parikh. One possibility: they never put in a phone number
| into their Facebook account.
| Ronson wrote:
| Afghanistan https://ufile.io/s384kfvo
|
| Africa https://ufile.io/zajkd62o
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| Albania https://ufile.io/dcpyh5m3
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| Algeria https://ufile.io/rxi7zcpy
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| Argentina https://ufile.io/1vouegp0
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| Austriaia https://ufile.io/w4fifh2z
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| Azerbaijan https://ufile.io/w49z6iay
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| Bahrain https://ufile.io/wnja3kf3
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| Bangladesh https://ufile.io/mdg8ff17
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| Bolivia https://ufile.io/p5gyb4vz
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| Burundi https://ufile.io/64debilh
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| Cambodia https://ufile.io/agdkzhv2
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| Cameroon https://ufile.io/x93l6zm9
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| Chile https://ufile.io/uwlgm5h7
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| China https://ufile.io/fxv5xfci
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| Costa Rica https://ufile.io/mnyg6vns
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| Croatia https://ufile.io/yz1tzfzn
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| Ecuador https://ufile.io/l7cjyfsk
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| Egypt https://ufile.io/j42k8xkb
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| El Salvador https://ufile.io/nlwd96jw
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| Estonia https://ufile.io/hrwj6xh5
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| Finland https://ufile.io/tjq79fd8
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| France https://ufile.io/no8bwfv7
|
| Georgia https://ufile.io/proi7zxx
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| Germany https://ufile.io/9j7pk3et
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| Ghana https://ufile.io/bbkhj192
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| Greece https://ufile.io/ytkizuo3
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| Guatemala https://ufile.io/9mxybh4d
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| Haiti https://ufile.io/9fxb5ouz
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| Honduras https://ufile.io/wj99lbq1
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| Japan A https://ufile.io/fywucq8j
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| Jordan https://ufile.io/gku6ddxa
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| Kazakhstan https://ufile.io/jqc6u1lt
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| Kuwait https://ufile.io/un8nr83x
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| Lebanon https://ufile.io/q9c0xr7g
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| Libya https://ufile.io/aikt783r
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| Lithunia https://ufile.io/3n1jeadq
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| Luxemburj https://ufile.io/rz3pvwa4
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| Macao https://ufile.io/vq1n84ar
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| Malaysia https://ufile.io/c6lkirbr
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| Maldives https://ufile.io/jbz9xpuf
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| Malta https://ufile.io/ynarwlg7
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| Mauritus https://ufile.io/lvwzqfhb
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| Mexico https://ufile.io/wuzjuof4
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| Moldova https://ufile.io/dx4oq4ix
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| Morocco https://ufile.io/747av8i7
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| Namibia https://ufile.io/dhn7batr
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| Netherland https://ufile.io/7hr9h3fa
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| Nigeria https://ufile.io/6nbglbjt
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| Norway https://ufile.io/dy1nffrm
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| Oman https://ufile.io/l3krfimd
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| Palestine https://ufile.io/xdi9uywi
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| Panama https://ufile.io/tiolks5e
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| Peru https://ufile.io/bt3x4f4p
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| Poland https://ufile.io/z0qk2jtp
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| Portugal https://ufile.io/wr6lmlss
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| Puerto Rico https://ufile.io/4ejpa45u
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| Qatar https://ufile.io/nbludd71
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| Russia https://ufile.io/7rvy17u8
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| Saudi Arabia https://ufile.io/6tgw2uua
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| Serbia https://ufile.io/6j05ufd3
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| Singapore1 https://ufile.io/1unom7du
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| Slovenia https://ufile.io/25qsrvuk
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| South Africa https://ufile.io/zajkd62o
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| South Korea https://ufile.io/a3e1o7ur
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| Spain https://ufile.io/93akhilx
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| sudan https://ufile.io/450mkrhk
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| Sweden https://ufile.io/7ol1ltik
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| Switzerland https://ufile.io/3cjw9801
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| Syria https://ufile.io/mzdhft1h
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| Taiwan https://ufile.io/xlg0bkwt
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| Tunisia https://ufile.io/6oplbeyu
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| Turkey https://ufile.io/kdjtb8g4
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| Turkmenistan https://ufile.io/ebpv321e
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| UAE https://ufile.io/9bmu4peu
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| uk https://ufile.io/8x9j3j6a
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| Uruguay https://ufile.io/7indmatu
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| USA https://ufile.io/l4i9b3ap
|
| Yemen https://ufile.io/8s54k04b
| xwdv wrote:
| Does anyone know alternative places to download the data set? The
| original forum it was posted in is slammed.
| Recursing wrote:
| Search for "fbleaks" on telegram
| xwdv wrote:
| Thank you, I am now downloading all the available data, can't
| wait to play around with it.
|
| One of the annoying things is that there's a timestamp making
| up the 10th column that has ':' in it, but the delimiter for
| the fields is also ':', so it makes a clean import to a
| database a bit of a hassle as the file may need some
| processing, probably will just do a find and replace as all
| the time stamps seem to be 12:00:00 AM. The column holding
| the current employment is also problematic.
| [deleted]
| raunak wrote:
| Looking for this as well.
| th3h4mm3r wrote:
| Me too. 35 millions of italian user is really near the 100% of
| italian internet users. So I need to understand how many info
| about me and my family are on the web.
| throwawaylolz wrote:
| Afghanistan https://ufile.io/s384kfvo Africa
| https://ufile.io/zajkd62o
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| angola https://ufile.io/l4ibbxg5
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| Albania https://ufile.io/dcpyh5m3
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| Algeria https://ufile.io/rxi7zcpy
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| Argentina https://ufile.io/1vouegp0
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| Austriaia https://ufile.io/w4fifh2z
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| Azerbaijan https://ufile.io/w49z6iay
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| Bahrain https://ufile.io/wnja3kf3
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| Bangladesh https://ufile.io/mdg8ff17
|
| Belguim https://ufile.io/8f92t6e2
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| Bolivia https://ufile.io/p5gyb4vz
|
| Bostwana https://ufile.io/xunxx9rr
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| brazil https://ufile.io/d5tqjc9u
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| Brunei https://ufile.io/cqpkc6gd
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| Bulgaria https://ufile.io/x8vkaxtv
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| Burkina Faso https://ufile.io/t8i6iesb
|
| Burundi https://ufile.io/64debilh
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| Cambodia https://ufile.io/agdkzhv2
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| Cameroon https://ufile.io/x93l6zm9
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| Canada https://ufile.io/pnj0v3c4
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| Chile https://ufile.io/uwlgm5h7
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| China https://ufile.io/fxv5xfci
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| Colombia https://ufile.io/if9yg7cx
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| Costa Rica https://ufile.io/mnyg6vns
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| Croatia https://ufile.io/yz1tzfzn
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| Cyprus https://ufile.io/wtc07ng4
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| Czech Republic https://ufile.io/nq94b5zx
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| Denmark https://ufile.io/t54hbagv
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| Dibouti https://ufile.io/fdmw980x
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| Ecuador https://ufile.io/l7cjyfsk
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| Fiji https://ufile.io/fgglic7y
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| Finland https://ufile.io/tjq79fd8
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| France https://ufile.io/no8bwfv7
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| USA https://ufile.io/l4i9b3ap
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| Yemen https://ufile.io/8s54k04b
| mcraiha wrote:
| At least Mark is dogfooding.
| oliv__ wrote:
| Sooo... what's the number? :-)
| sva_ wrote:
| One could find the first half of it starting on the 14083rd
| digit of p, and the second half starting on the 60435th digit
| of p.
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