[HN Gopher] Svalbard's Alcohol Quotas
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Svalbard's Alcohol Quotas
Author : simonebrunozzi
Score : 79 points
Date : 2021-04-02 11:00 UTC (12 hours ago)
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| tyingq wrote:
| Headline fooled me. To me quota usually means "you must do this
| much", this appears to be a limit.
| k__ wrote:
| I only know this from AWS, where it means "limits".
| jhugo wrote:
| In some contexts it's a minimum - e.g. monthly sales quota
| for a salesperson, or monthly ticket quota for a traffic
| police officer.
| jonsen wrote:
| Wiktionary:
|
| "A prescribed number or percentage that may serve as, for
| example, a maximum, a minimum, or a goal."
| pmiller2 wrote:
| Disk quotas are common in all sorts of multiuser systems.
| rorykoehler wrote:
| I always understood a quota to be a limit. Only in sales have I
| heard it used as you describe. For example look at EU milk
| quotas.
| tyingq wrote:
| There are lots of examples outside of sales. Diversity hiring
| quotas, citation quotas for police, gender quotas for board
| of directors, survey quotas, productivity quotas, recruiting
| quotas (military, MLM orgs, etc), electoral gender quotas,
| factory production quotas, Amazon delivery driver quotas, and
| so on.
| rorykoehler wrote:
| Fair point. I'm surprised I never thought about this before
| today.
| jmartrican wrote:
| I think quotas work in both directions.... you have to do this
| many in certain time, or you only get this many in certain
| time.
|
| Here is the definition....
|
| :a proportional part or share
|
| especially : the share or proportion assigned to each in a
| division or to each member of a body
| tyingq wrote:
| Yeah, perhaps my life experience just had a lot of the "have
| to do this many" quotas, and the others were presented to me
| as limits. TIL.
| killtimeatwork wrote:
| Interestingly, XIX century Poland has exactly the "minimum
| amount consumed" kind of quotas of alcohol... It was legislated
| by nobles who were producing alcohol from their grain and
| figured they'd force peasants to but it from them, to
| periodically extract whatever monetary surplus the peasants
| (serfs) managed to build up. One of the result was of course
| rampant alcoholism, since the peasants now owned buckets of
| vodka and they figured they might as well drink it if they paid
| for it...
| eitland wrote:
| IIRC that is _one_ of the most shameful things I 'm aware
| that Norwegians have done the last few centuries, forcing
| Sami people to take booze as part of the payment for their
| work.
| pmiller2 wrote:
| Considering how the only other thing I can think of to do
| with buckets of vodka in 19th century Poland is burn it, I'd
| probably go with drinking it, too. I'm not even sure burning
| it would work out well, either.
| [deleted]
| cat199 wrote:
| high proof alcohol works great in a lamp
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_burner
| dahart wrote:
| Vodka is great for washing clothes!
| jrockway wrote:
| Depends. I clicked through to read about mandatory alcohol
| consumption, but thinking about it further, consider the case
| where you have "1 GB of disk quota". In that case, it obviously
| means that you can use no more than 1 GB of disk, it definitely
| doesn't mean that you must use 1 GB of disk.
| cpcallen wrote:
| Wow: reading 1GB disk quota reminds me how far we have come:
| when I was in university we got a base quota of 1 _MB_ (plus
| additional amounts of varying sizes for each course we were
| registered for, depending on how much space we were expected
| to need, but typically totalling less than 5MB).
| benbristow wrote:
| Glad I don't live there, sod that.
| cozzyd wrote:
| In Kangerlussuaq (Greenland), the price of booze goes way up
| after 6 pm.
| r_singh wrote:
| Interesting... how exactly does this work? Like Happy Hours? Or
| do shop owners also have to pay more to distributors?
| robert_foss wrote:
| This sounds very much like the Swedish alcohol importation laws.
| jonsen wrote:
| You can bring a tax free quota into Sweden (and many other
| places for that matter) but you can't _buy_ tax free inside
| Sweden, can you?
| seanmcdirmid wrote:
| Airports often have duty free shops just inside customs, so
| you technically might be able to on a return trip.
| willowfine wrote:
| Yes, this is possible and legal in Sweden. The other way to
| obtain cheap alcohol is to take a cruise via the island of
| Aland, which is not in the EU. If you plan to visit Aland,
| make sure to pick a ferry that actually stops there as
| opposed to just symbolically tossing out a mooring rope for
| a few minutes to satisfy the legal requirements.
| tricolon wrote:
| Aland is in the EU, but the EU tax rules don't apply: htt
| ps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_member_state_territori
| ...
| mortenjorck wrote:
| For a sense of scale, the Svalbard archipelago has a population
| of about 3,000.
|
| Antarctica's seasonal peak is around 5,000.
| abujazar wrote:
| Norwegian here. The reason for the quotas is historical and were
| put in place to limit miners' consumption of beer and liquor.
| Interestingly there's practically no quota on wine, presumably
| because miners didn't care much for that.
|
| You can't buy wine and liquor at local stores in Norway Svalbard,
| but there is a great selection in the state run monopoly stores
| (Vinmonopolet). In Longyearbyen there's one called Nordpolet (The
| North Pole, a pun on "pol" meaning both pole and being an
| abbrevation for monopoly).
| giantg2 wrote:
| Pennsylvania has monopoly state stores for liquor too.
|
| When weddings used to last for days, the mine bosses here would
| go to the beer and liquor stores and tell them to stop selling
| to that group of people. Then when the drinks ran out, the
| wedding would end and the miners would go back to work.
| qwerty456127 wrote:
| > Private individuals resident in Svalbard must purchase their
| alcohol quota in Svalbard and are not able to import tax-free
| alcohol from the mainland to Svalbard.
|
| I doubt local shops have particularly good assortment to choose
| from, do they?
| Kiro wrote:
| In Sweden the monopoly shops have a really good assortment
| since they have no profit interest and can afford to provide
| shelf space for less popular beverages.
| thanatosmin wrote:
| AFAIK Svalbard is weird in both immigration laws and a distinct
| tax structure from Norway. My guess is it has to do with tax
| avoidance schemes rather than consumption.
| Clewza313 wrote:
| Svalbard's legal status is deeply weird. It's administered by
| Norway, but not subject to a lot of Norwegian law, and people
| from all Svalbard Treaty signatories including the US can
| legally rock up and work and stay as long as they like.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Treaty
| Broken_Hippo wrote:
| About the selection in the state shops: It is better than what
| I could get in Indiana (US). If the local places don't stock
| it, they'll order it for you, and it is really, really easy.
| I'm gonna guess it takes longer to order to Svalbard, but it
| probably isn't too bad either.
| pcl wrote:
| Throughout Norway, pretty much all sales of alcoholic beverages
| over 4.7% happens through state-run liquor stores
| (Vinmonopolet).
|
| Their selection is pretty great, but obviously imposes limits
| vs. a totally open import arrangement. And if a local store
| doesn't have something in stock, you can order it for later
| pickup, much like at a library with multiple branches. I don't
| know how that works in Svalbard, since it's so remote, but I
| wouldn't be surprised if they follow more or less the same
| procedures.
|
| Interestingly, since they are a single buyer for millions of
| people, the Vinmonopolet purchasers get some great deals. And,
| since it's state-owned and very regulated, there are rules
| about how much they can mark up a bottle vs. their purchase
| price. So, you see this weird phenomenon in which people from
| elsewhere in Europe will fly to Norway to buy a case of some
| vintage that turned out really well and as a result is super-
| expensive everywhere else.
| zwaps wrote:
| Interestingly, almost all "plain" European beers have either
| 5% or 4,9% of alcohol (Pilsners, Lagers etc.)
|
| It seems this may also be a measure to boost local sales?
| nso wrote:
| You don't know a lot about Norwegian politics on this
| subject if you'd even suggest that. In short it's a way for
| the government to limit and control the damages associated
| with alcohol consumption. While this would probably rub the
| average american the wrong way, most norwegians, including
| myself, approve of the system.
|
| Other posters have given more detail but here is some
| reading:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinmonopolet#Foundation
|
| https://www.vinmonopolet.no/social-responsibility
| owenversteeg wrote:
| Interesting! Do you have any examples of wines like that? I
| tried to search and found nothing.
| elygre wrote:
| https://www.aperitif.no/artikler/frankrike-er-kanskje-
| ikke-b... Is an article from 2015. It mentions Petrus 2012,
| at that point available for nok 9500 at vinmonopolet, while
| winesearcher.com had it at nok 22000.
| Quarrelsome wrote:
| same goes for Iceland, only place you can buy alcohol outside
| of a bar is from a government shop that closes at 18:00.
| kzrdude wrote:
| Iceland has their own breweries and i think you can get very
| reasonable beer, for example domestic ones
| giantg2 wrote:
| I can get very reasonable beer where I live... I make my
| own beer, wine, and mead.
| Quarrelsome wrote:
| ye but you have to buy them from the government shop don't
| you? They don't sell alcohol in corner shops like the rest
| of the anglosphere.
| dahart wrote:
| I guess that's just for hard alcohol? Iceland has beer in
| tourist shops at least, if not grocery stores. But in
| tourist shops it's expensive enough that you wouldn't
| want to stock up there. I saw individual bottles for $10
| (cheap beer) and $20 US (nice beer), for example, at the
| Gullfoss store.
| rkjaran wrote:
| Iceland does not have beer in tourist shops or grocery
| stores. Alcohol is only sold at the state run monopoly,
| bars and restaurants. What they sell at grocery stores
| and tourist shops is non alcoholic or with a very low
| (<2.25%) alcohol content, and they're mostly produced to
| circumvent the ban on alcohol advertising.
| kzrdude wrote:
| Iceland is not in the anglosphere :)
| fouc wrote:
| What's interesting about this?
| aequitas wrote:
| I find the law that requires you to carry a firearm more
| interesting: https://www.sysselmannen.no/en/weapon/
|
| Being a remote town in the far north with unusual day/nighy
| cycles does require some strange laws to keep everyone safe and
| sane I guess.
|
| Also, Tom has been there ofc:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFJ-ze2-SqU
| k__ wrote:
| Gives me a bit of a Skyrim vibe, haha.
| paranoidrobot wrote:
| > I find the law that requires you to carry a firearm more
| interesting
|
| That's not quite what it says. Firearms are only a
| recommendation.
|
| > Due to the polar bear threat in Svalbard, anyone travelling
| outside the settlements must be equipped with appropriate
| means of frightening and chasing off polar bears.
|
| > The Governor of Svalbard also recommends having firearms
| with you.
| bovermyer wrote:
| There are levels of risk I am not prepared to accept. I'll
| carry an assault shotgun, an assault rifle, and a dedicated
| ammunition-hauling dog with me if I go outside a town in
| Svalbard.
| AdrianB1 wrote:
| What is an assault shotgun, one painted black and with a
| bayonet mounted? I think you can have something like this
| in Fallout.
| _bin_ wrote:
| SPAS-12, AA-12, or similar? Or maybe he's referring to
| one like the Ithica 37 with slam fire capabilities? The
| guy really just needs a M1 Garand.
| _bin_ wrote:
| I hope not: although, say, an M16 is a good weapon, you'd
| do better with something chambered in a full rifle
| cartridge (e.g. .30-06) against a bear rather than an
| intermediate cartridge
| bovermyer wrote:
| Alright, fine, then an FGM-148.
|
| If a polar bear is charging me, I want his _ancestors_ to
| feel what I 'm going to do to him.
| Clewza313 wrote:
| You can skip the dog. A polar bear can sprint at 40 km/h,
| so if you're attacked by one, you'll be lucky if you can
| squeeze off more than one or two shots.
| ajmurmann wrote:
| Interesting. When I visited a few years ago I was told that
| you were required to carry a rifle outside of town to
| protect from the bears and that a handgun wouldn't be
| sufficient to protect from a mature polar bear. I guess the
| guide exaggerated.
| donw wrote:
| Requiring citizens to keep arms was actually quite common up
| until the 1800s, with some municipalities actually purchasing
| firearms for residents, with the expectation that they would
| be paid back as was manageable.
| iso1210 wrote:
| In which countries?
| thrower123 wrote:
| Nearly all of them, at least up through the end of the
| Napoleonic Wars.
|
| I believe it became less popular with the popular
| revolutions of 1848 and the advent of universal
| conscription.
| ceejayoz wrote:
| I'm not a historian, but this doesn't match my
| understanding; that true weapons like swords and
| crossbows tended to be restricted, and peasants used
| scythes, clubs, etc. instead.
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/268dmc/ho
| w_w...
| iso1210 wrote:
| Arround 1400, the King proclaimed that "every Englishman
| or Irishman dwelling in England must have a bow of his
| own height", at one point Tennis was banned to give more
| time to bow practice. By 1500s every man had to buy his 7
| year old son a bow and teach him how to use it, and a
| bow+arrows must be kept in everyones house.
|
| Crossbows on the other hand were practically banned, but
| this was more because a highly skilled longbowman was
| more deadly
| ceejayoz wrote:
| That's fairly unique to England, though, whose military
| power relied on longbows in a way not matched by rivals.
| throwawayfire wrote:
| Maybe that there is a customs border internal to Norway?
| jonsen wrote:
| Wikipedia on Svalbard:
|
| "While part of the Kingdom of Norway since 1925, Svalbard is
| not part of geographical Norway; administratively, the
| archipelago is not part of any Norwegian county, but forms an
| unincorporated area administered by a governor appointed by
| the Norwegian government, and a special jurisdiction subject
| to the Svalbard Treaty that is outside of the Schengen Area,
| the Nordic Passport Union and the European Economic Area."
| bbojan wrote:
| Do you know of any other place that has quotas on alcohol
| consumption?
| axlee wrote:
| Do you know a lot of places with monthly alcohol purchase
| quotas?
| jhugo wrote:
| Well, there are not that many tax-free places. If they didn't
| have quotas, there would no doubt be thriving businesses
| buying alcohol in Svalbard and selling it in the rest of
| Norway.
| progre wrote:
| Transport costs might put a damper on that. Also, it sounds
| like it would also be subjected to import restrictions,
| even if it's the same country.
| jhugo wrote:
| Smuggling is a thing, though. And transport costs tend to
| reduce as volume increases, and alcohol is a popular
| product...
| progre wrote:
| Well, if we are talking illegal activities, Norway shares
| a long, marginally patrolled border with Sweden where
| alcohol is significantly cheaper. So if you are into
| smuggeling, I would try that first, before trying to
| arrange something up in the arctic sea.
| willowfine wrote:
| Pre-covid, this was a thriving and mostly legal industry.
| There are quotas on how much may be imported for personal
| consumption.
|
| Meanwhile, the Swedes go to Denmark for cheap alcohol,
| the Danes go to Germany, the Germans to Poland and the
| Poles to Ukraine. Thus Ukraine is the fixed point of the
| alcohol-flow function. This theorem was proven when I was
| a PhD student in a research group which contained a
| Norwegian, a Swede, a German, a Pole and a Ukrainian - we
| extrapolated the Danish connection point.
| vincnetas wrote:
| Qatar has "alcohol license" for residents. Not sure about
| that but what i heard your employer has to say how much you
| get to drink.
|
| https://www.angloinfo.com/how-to/qatar/lifestyle/food-
| drink/...
|
| EDIT: yes article mentions this
|
| The letter must be addressed to the Qatar Distribution
| Company, be stamped and signed by an authorised person within
| the company, and include the following information:
| The applicant's position within their company The
| applicant's basic salary. The word 'basic' must be used. To
| get a permit a minimum salary is needed (4,000 riyals or
| 1,100 US dollars) Whether the applicant receives an
| accommodation entitlement or has free accommodation
| Whether the applicant is married When applying for a
| permit an individual must fill in an application form, pay a
| returnable deposit and state their religion
| shrikant wrote:
| I remember something like this in Oman as well, back when I
| lived there in the late 80s/early 90s.
|
| Looking at the situation now though, it looks like it might
| be a very tiny bit more liberal, in that you still need a
| "personal consumption licence", but the quota appears to
| have been done away with.
| murrayhenson wrote:
| Maybe that the quotas are very low, or that there are quotas at
| all. Mainland Norway definitely doesn't have quotas like this;
| rather alcohol is simply made to be quite expensive.
|
| When I read this my first thought was something like, "I bet
| that those who don't drink are making a bit of profit on the
| side by selling their allowances." However, I'm guessing that
| for Svalbard's dedicated drinkers ...they're finding a way
| around the import restrictions.
|
| It would be interesting to hear how folks deal with the
| restrictions by someone that lives on Svalbard or has spent
| significant time there.
| jhugo wrote:
| > Mainland Norway definitely doesn't have quotas like this;
| rather alcohol is simply made to be quite expensive.
|
| If you don't mind the higher price I'm sure you can still
| import it as long as you pay the duty. (The linked page
| merely says that you cannot import _tax-free_.) So ultimately
| it 's the same situation as in (the rest of) Norway, but with
| some small allowance of cheaper tax-free alcohol. If they
| didn't have the quotas, people would arbitrage it.
| giantg2 wrote:
| Can you just brew your own?
| tyldum wrote:
| Brew you can, distill you cannot.
| alistairSH wrote:
| _Maybe that the quotas are very low_
|
| 24 bottles of liquor, 6 bottles of fortified wines, nearly
| 300 cans of beer, and unlimited wine annually is low? I'd
| hate to be the liver of anybody drinking that much.
| gregkerzhner wrote:
| Annually? Everything sounds high when you say it annually!
|
| Looking at the numbers on a smaller scale, if you don't
| count the unlimited wine, the monthly quota works out to be
| about 2.2 drinks / night - about 1.5 shouts of liquor and
| less than 1 light beer a night.
|
| Thats a pretty resonable amount of alcohol to consume -
| just slightly higher than the 14 drinks / week maximum that
| many health authorities recommend.
|
| How would you feel if the government regulated how much
| sugar or salt you can eat, how many hours of video games
| you can play, or maybe even forced you to exercise 400
| hours (per year)?
| croshan wrote:
| > How would you feel if the government regulated how much
| sugar or salt you can eat, how many hours of video games
| you can play, or maybe even forced you to exercise (400
| hours / year)?
|
| That's actually an interesting idea... Not saying I'd
| recommend it, but I'd be interested in how this affects a
| population at a large scale.
|
| Requiring physical activity might lead to population
| demand for parks, more social interaction, less
| isolationism, less conflict. And I've had times where a
| hard limit on video games would've been nice.
| Incentivizing a society to not fall to their vices
| doesn't sound too bad.
| jlawer wrote:
| I believe for the Bathurst weekend (V8 Car race) in
| Australia, people are limited to a carton of beer or a
| bottle of liquor a DAY per person.... Not sure if that says
| more about the Svalbard limits or my countrymen.
| Quarrelsome wrote:
| Anyone know the reasoning? I'm assuming its attempting to prevent
| alcoholism? I know Greenland and Iceland (to a lesser extent)
| suffer somewhat perhaps due to the light and isolation being
| contributing factors.
| marvin wrote:
| I can't speak for Svalbard specifically, but Norway in general
| has a long history of heavily taxing and regulating alcohol.
|
| Alcohol stronger than beer can only be purchased at the state-
| run "wine monopoly", alcohol percentage stronger than 60%
| classified as narcotics and illegal, opening hours for alcohol
| sale (beer included) are mandated to be much shorter than for
| stores in general, no alcohol sales allowed on public holidays,
| Sundays or Saturdays after 3pm/6pm (wine+ and beer,
| respectively), etc.
|
| Culturally, you can trace this back to the Protestant Christian
| heritage, where excessive alcohol consumption was considered
| both sinful and destructive. I'm certain there was something to
| the heavily negative view on the health- and socioeconomic
| effects of alcohol at the time (combined with poverty, hunger,
| cold, dark winters, isolation and the need for cooperating to
| thrive in such a climate), so I don't think it just boils down
| to unsubstantiated religious feelings.
|
| There is still consensus that this is a good way of doing
| things, although the minority Christian conservative political
| wing are loudest about it.
| fulafel wrote:
| Norway seems to have the lowest consumption per capital among
| the Nordics: https://www.statista.com/statistics/693505/per-
| capita-consum...
| RocketSyntax wrote:
| iceland taxes the heck out of it, and there are only a few
| stores where you can buy
| jfengel wrote:
| But not, weirdly, at the airport. And they're proud of that.
| There are all kinds of signs up about how you can buy it at
| the airport on arrival and carry it in, duty free.
|
| I paid $20 apiece for shots at a bar in Reykjavik. I paid
| (IIRC) $5 for a bottle at the airport.
|
| (The bars are especially expensive. I'm told that all the
| Icelanders pre-game before going out drinking. If you plan to
| drink while in Iceland, pick it up on your way in.)
| AdrianB1 wrote:
| You are mostly right, it is to prevent alcoholism like other
| attempts are still made in different countries to limit or ban
| soda and sweet drinks, cigarettes, some drugs, some or all
| guns. It is in general good for public health and bad for
| average IQ.
| C19is20 wrote:
| Why would preventing alcoholism be bad for average iq?
| jonsen wrote:
| Could mean users are mostly low IQ and will die early.
| AdrianB1 wrote:
| Brain needs challenges and stimulation to develop; when
| people are taken care of, average IQ of society decreased
| over time. If you check the numbers there are several
| metrics where we regressed in the past hundreds of years,
| including reaction time, testosterones production,
| fertility etc. Good times create mediocre people and the
| times were better and better in the past centuries, while
| people got more and more mediocre.
| byproxy wrote:
| What's wrong with being mediocre?
| pmiller2 wrote:
| Some of the hardest drinkers I know are Finns. I'm not sure
| exactly why that would be, _i.e._ why Finns might drink more
| than Norwegians or Swedes, but this has been my observation.
| Keep in mind, n=low (I 'd have to think about it, and I don't
| want to expend the brainpower right now).
| jonsen wrote:
| The statistics link in a sibling comment says Danes consume
| most among the nordics.
| hollerith wrote:
| OK, but Finns aren't Nordics.
| jonsen wrote:
| Oh they are:
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_countries
| hollerith wrote:
| Oops, my bad. (Finns are not considered _Scandinavians_ ,
| and I conflated Scandinavians with Nordics.)
|
| Thanks for correcting my mistake.
| jonsen wrote:
| Rather common mistake, even among Scandinavians.
| Thlom wrote:
| The Danes drinks every day while the Finns drink it all in
| one sitting.
| k__ wrote:
| Sounds rather much for one person in one month.
| randomdata wrote:
| I imagine that's the idea. Enough for one person with some
| margins. If you start buying beyond the quota, i.e. presumed to
| be buying for other people, then you'll have trouble.
| thrower123 wrote:
| A month? You couldn't keep a Royal Navy seaman in grog for a
| week on that.
| PaulHoule wrote:
| 2 cans a beer a day would not be excessive by most standards,
| that would add up to 60 cans a month.
|
| 24 cans of beer consumed in one sitting would be excessive.
| k__ wrote:
| Is it really so common to drink alcohol every day?
| Cthulhu_ wrote:
| Depends on culture, both national and local. In some it's
| very common (like my dad has a beer every day after work,
| or France / Italy where a glass of wine at lunch is not
| uncommon).
| nextlevelwizard wrote:
| Light wine was specifically exempt from the rules
| Semaphor wrote:
| There was a post here where having a cocktail after work
| every day (in NYC IIRC?) was mentioned, the consensus
| seemed to me like that is a normal amount while for me that
| would have been too much even when I was a student and
| could tolerate a lot more alcohol (of course, purely by
| amount I'd have made it up on the weekend).
| sokoloff wrote:
| I suspect it's not uncommon to find people who have wine
| nearly every day. Someone who is drinking two beers on many
| days is likely to have six on some days, making up for the
| odd day that they have zero.
|
| The actual quota is less than one can per day, though,
| which seem too strict to me (with respect to a government
| restriction, I mean).
| kzrdude wrote:
| A glass of wine after work to wind down is pretty popular
| no? (Culture: scandinavia)
| dean177 wrote:
| It's not in the UK at any rate, the average varies between
| 12 and 17 units of alcohol per week depending on age with
| most of that falling on Fridays and Saturdays. 2 cans of
| beer per day works out at 28 units, so is certainly
| substantially more than average. I would guess there is a
| bubble affect though, most of my friends drink only on
| special occasions line parties, and regular drinking at
| home would be perceived as alcoholic behaviour by most of
| them.
| matsemann wrote:
| I almost feel the opposite: drinking every day is too much.
| One night out once a month is okay. (not drinking 24 bottles
| a night, though, except when celebrating Russ)
| k__ wrote:
| Same here.
|
| Last time I drank alcohol was pre-COVID. I only drank 1-3 a
| month and only 2-4 beers and 2-4 shots.
| agentwiggles wrote:
| I've known plenty of daily drinkers and I have no idea how
| they do it. If I have even one drink I can notice the
| effects the next day. Not that I'll be hung over per se,
| but just a little more tired, little less focused, little
| less patient with my kids.
|
| So, I don't drink very often (I don't abstain completely
| either). Drinking every day seems like something that would
| really take a lot out of me.
| donw wrote:
| It's one bourbon, one scotch, and one beer per day, swapping
| for wine on Sundays.
|
| More than I get through, but low for a serious boozer.
| iso1210 wrote:
| 24 cans of beer? Depending on the size that's between 8 and 14
| litres a month, about 1.8-3.2 litres a week. At 4% that's at
| most 13 UK units per week (assuming you buy large cans) --
| guidelines are 14 units per week. For say 330ml cans of Tiger
| it's 8 units a week, that's not a lot for one person.
| nextlevelwizard wrote:
| Maybe you are confusing the word "guideline" here with actual
| recommendation. You are not suppose to be drinking 14 units
| per week. You are not suppose to even be drinking every week.
| In any case you still as much light wine as you can
| reasonably consume. 2 bottles of liquor and half a bottle of
| fortified wine on top of your beer. If you consume even that
| much everyone month I'd be calling you an alcoholic.
| iso1210 wrote:
| Someone drinking an average of 6x 33ml cans of 4.3% beer a
| week would not be called an alcoholic in any normal
| conversation. That's 4.4 litres of alcohol a year - less
| than half the US intake (9.8l), less than Norway (7.5l) and
| would fit well in the bottom half of countries by alcohol
| intake.
|
| The ability to drink other things (scotch, wine, etc) is
| irrelevant if you only drink beer.
| nextlevelwizard wrote:
| If only there was people who only drank one beer everyday
| and never more, however it is these same people who have
| the need to drink one beer every day that drink most at
| parties and get togethers or just in general over the
| week end.
|
| Maybe it is just the lives I've seen ruined by alcohol
| that as made me grumpy about alcohol consumpsion, but I
| would be concerned if someone is drinking enough to have
| a hangover every weekend.
| iso1210 wrote:
| I don't see how you could get a hangover from drinking
| 6x330ml cans of beer in a single evening, let alone
| across a week. You evidently have a chip on your shoulder
| over alcohol
| bluescrn wrote:
| Seems designed to move people from beer to wine and spirits? Or
| into home brewing?
|
| Probably a thriving market in non-drinkers selling their
| quotas, too
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