[HN Gopher] Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference is back in i...
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Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference is back in its all-online
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Author : todsacerdoti
Score : 220 points
Date : 2021-03-30 13:05 UTC (9 hours ago)
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| soapdog wrote:
| I think I'm the minority that really values in-person events. The
| best experiences for me didn't happened by watching the talks and
| sessions, but in casual conversations in the corridors and common
| areas. This is very hard to replicate with online events.
| m3kw9 wrote:
| The casual talks and connections made when lining up can be
| great, but it feels oddly inefficient. However is hard to make
| that connection virtually even if apple did something online to
| help this
| ghaff wrote:
| >even if apple did something online to help this
|
| I've been pretty involved with online events over the past
| year. The formal part of the conferences have gone pretty
| well. (TBH, even when I'm attending a big event physically
| I'll often watch the keynotes streaming rather than cram into
| a conference center with thousands of my closest friends.)
| But chat, virtual booths, and any sort of attempt at
| serendipity have mostly been big fat failures.
| mucholove wrote:
| I love in person events.
|
| Online events give me loads of fatigue. In-person events
| energize me. The backroom conversations are why they're great.
|
| At the beginning I was always into the speakers. Later I
| realized they were really a gimmick to bring us together.
|
| Clubhouse captures some of this in person magic. There was also
| a book club that was pretty good. Slate I think it's called.
|
| Let's hope Apple can capture this. :)
| fnordpiglet wrote:
| This is the one thing technology can't solve in the
| discussion - humans are different. I find conferences
| intensely draining. I love people but I don't like crowds - I
| grew up in the remote mountains. But I realize I'm not
| everyone and I recognize that hybrid events and work places
| are probably the best way to ensure everyone gets to work and
| participate in the way they feel most effective. I am glad
| that the extrovert hegemony has been cracked this year, but I
| also realize as humans we should figure out how to assemble
| and collaborate in a way that is most comfortable for
| everyone, then everyone will get so much more out of the
| interaction.
| Razengan wrote:
| > _Online events give me loads of fatigue. In-person events
| energize me._
|
| Completely opposite for me, and I bet other introverts or
| people with social anxiety/low social mana.
| 0xffff2 wrote:
| Speak for yourself. I'm not so much an introvert as a near-
| total loner. I find in-person conferences incredibly
| interesting and valuable for the ability to spend a week
| nerding out on technical topics with new people. Online
| conferences do absolutely nothing for me.
| skeeter2020 wrote:
| I've described them as a geek spa or fantasy nerd camp.
| It doesn't have much to do with the act of delivering
| talks in-person on online; that's the the mechanism for a
| very special type of social interaction that is hard (or
| impossible) to replicate online.
| Workaccount2 wrote:
| Small talk and the like is tiring, but getting to talk
| about your pet project with others who grasp it's depth is
| a rare and exciting thing, and there is no denying that in
| person communication flows the best.
| y2bd wrote:
| Another socially anxious introvert here. I miss in person
| events so much, digital conventions don't compare even
| remotely (please don't talk to me though).
| grishka wrote:
| An online conference for me is as good as a lack of a
| conference. This "like real thing except you stay home" doesn't
| work. At an IRL conference, you're able to focus on a talk much
| easier than when it's an online stream. And as others said, the
| networking and the overall atmosphere are of extreme
| importance.
| johannes1234321 wrote:
| As a presenter I prefer in-person events by far. Virtual events
| are so much speaking into the void with no feedback. Sometimes
| not even certainty whether connection or such might have been
| broken. Audience helps to see if jokes work and if audience
| keeps up or is getting bored as i go too slow. Also in a
| virtual event there is the risk of preproduction a talk, with
| artificial perfection.
|
| As an participant for me the "hallway track" often is the most
| interesting, where I get into random discussions and run into
| people In otherwise rarely meet.
| heisenzombie wrote:
| How about pre-prepared video talks that are available online
| and then a dedicated "hallway track" in person meetup
| straight after for Q&A, labs, impromptu discussions, tiny
| quiches and all that stuff.
| ghaff wrote:
| Out of necessity, I've gotten better at recording videos over
| the past year. _Certain_ things are easier with video; I
| basically have a teleprompter in some form. But, yeah, I 'd
| much rather talk to a live audience.
| fnordpiglet wrote:
| I feel like these issues are caused by a lack of
| sophistication on the part of the conference organizer.
| Everyone has cameras and microphones bristling on their
| spyware sensor packs in their pocket let alone their
| computers. If you can't see and interact with your audience,
| that's just a failure of integrating all those devices in a
| way you can benefit from. It feels like as an engineer we
| should be leaning into the challenges the situation presents
| and finding clever solutions. Maybe emitting earth ending
| emissions to move your sack of mostly water to physically
| collocate so you can see the actual photons reflecting off
| someone's face rather than a high fidelity reproduction just
| feels wasteful, no? These are legit gripes but they also
| don't feel like a P=NP problem
| kergonath wrote:
| Do you have any idea what an audience of 50 people "giving
| feedback" on Zoom look like? You cannot play with the
| audience because half of them are mute, there is a constant
| lag between the moment you say anything and the moment you
| get their response, there's always the arsehole with a
| microphone too loud, or the idiot with an echo.
|
| Presenting remotely in real-time is a pain in the arse, and
| sucks everything that's enjoyable out of making
| presentations.
| ghaff wrote:
| I've just been pre-recording videos for external events.
| This has some advantages relative to doing it live.
|
| - I can do some different things when I record and edit
| such as inserting clips that aren't just a slide and me
| as a talking head. (Though having a thumbnail of the
| speaker is a practice I hope we keep versus just talking
| to a full screen slide.)
|
| - Reduce the likelihood of network-related or other
| issues at my end.
|
| - Can interact with an audience in real-time in chat.
|
| - Can redo sections that don't come out well.
| fnordpiglet wrote:
| Maybe zoom isn't the best tool for the job? Just because
| it was the tool laying around when a global natural
| disaster forces us into isolation for a year and a half
| doesn't mean it was a tool purpose built for these
| situations based on extensive global experiences.
|
| Sounds like a case of "I don't like the tools so
| therefore the domain must be insurmountable," which tells
| me it's ripe for some very clever people with some strong
| experience and opinions on how to organize online
| conferences and workshops to make a fortune.
| johannes1234321 wrote:
| There are great tool trying to do virtual gatherings.
|
| However there will always be a difference between a crowd
| in a room and a digital representation. There's lots of
| subtle stuff in a room (are they all looking forward or
| are the talking to their neighbor?) Which are hard to
| translate. Especially if people switch of camera&mic etc.
| while watching without any interest in sharing.
|
| The Chaos Computer Club did a quite good "hallway track"
| for the rC3 event https://links.rc3.world/
|
| Companies like https://mingle.cloud try to do virtual
| event platforms as a business.
|
| Things improve, but it's always gonna be different.
|
| And yes, for.some events it's good enough, for others
| it's even a better replacement. But some things work
| better human to human
| toyg wrote:
| The problem is that the "lack of tools" is just too big to
| overcome. If all your sound comes off a pair of speakers,
| there is no realistic chance to reproduce the depth and
| complexity of a real room, where you can perceive
| immediately which sounds to prioritise. You'd need a full
| surround system, _then_ you'd need a webconf instrument
| that can interact with it properly, _then_ you'd need the
| equivalent for vision - a single screen is just too small
| and depth perception is nil. And you can't really get there
| incrementally - it will continue to suck hard until you
| have _every_ element sorted out. And of course there will
| always be "i can't hear you now, can you hear me? Oh, she's
| disconnec-- 'I'm here everybody, sorry Jerry, what were you
| saying?' - I was saying that -- 'I can't hear you Jerry!' "
| etc etc
| [deleted]
| dev_tty01 wrote:
| I get that, provided you can actually get a ticket. For the
| vast majority of developers who can't get there, the online
| format provided much better talks than the on-stage versions
| that remote devs usually see.
| jacob420dad wrote:
| Minority?!
| ghaff wrote:
| I don't think it's a minority but you will see variations on
| several themes whenever the subject of conferences comes up:
|
| - It's a boondoggle and I'd never approve the expense (OK
| they are but not just a boondoggle :-))
|
| - It's inefficient
|
| - I'm an introvert
|
| I don't agree but those are opinions.
| plorkyeran wrote:
| I like the idea of in-person events, but I was never able to
| get a pass and so missed out on all of the actual value outside
| of the short windows I was able to borrow someone else's. The
| online-only format has been a significant improvement for me as
| a result as some of that valuable side-chatter has moved to
| places I'm not excluded from.
| skeeter2020 wrote:
| I haven't been to an in-person event that didn't record all
| sessions in more than a decade, so from my perspective you get
| the huge value of hallway interaction and face-to-face
| components, plus end up watching the good and most impactful
| videos online anyways. Online social events are neither social
| or eventful, so I can't wait to get back to in-person.
| bjohnson225 wrote:
| WWDC is different from a typical conference. The vast majority
| of viewers for them will be online regardless, so it would make
| total sense for Apple to optimise for the online audience (and
| after all, the keynote is basically a piece of marketing), but
| I don't think that indicates anything for a standard
| conference.
|
| Personally, as someone who now happily works remote 100% of the
| time, I would be more inclined to attend a local in-person
| conference than ever before.
| breck wrote:
| The knowledge and initial introductions in online events can
| lead to hugely positive outcomes in the future, so in terms of
| ROI I think online events are probably far superior, but when I
| think to my top 100 memorable experiences I've had at events,
| not a single one of them took place online. Sure, I've met
| plenty of people that I later became friends/collaborators with
| in person, but all the memorable stuff happens later in person.
|
| Just a few recent off the top of my head:
|
| - Paddleboard breakouts at East Meets West
|
| - Asking Vinod a question about next-gen registers at Program
| Synthesis Conference
|
| - Animated discussion about cpu design over beers post
| conference in SF
|
| - Talking to a startup about IOT management on the roof of an
| Accel event
|
| And some ones from 10+ years ago:
|
| - When I was a college student sitting on a folding chair and
| chatting with a nice woman about the startups pitching at
| TechCrunch40 (turned out to be M Mayer)
|
| - Drew pitching me on Dropbox before launch in Cambridge
| (boring, I thought)
|
| - Nate pitching me AirBedAndBreakfast in Mountain View (loved
| the idea from the get go)
|
| The only things that have come close to being memorable online
| were some recent Teamflow ice breaker type events we did at Our
| World in Data around the virtual campfire.
| fnordpiglet wrote:
| > - Paddleboard breakouts at East Meets West
|
| Can be done as online gaming events
|
| > - Asking Vinod a question about next-gen registers at
| Program Synthesis Conference
|
| Can be done using a microphone and camera attached to your
| device
|
| > - Animated discussion about cpu design over beers post
| conference in SF
|
| Animated conversations can be done via microphone and video
|
| > - Talking to a startup about IOT management on the roof of
| an Accel event
|
| Can be done as a vendor breakout with a virtual background of
| a roof
|
| > - When I was a college student sitting on a folding chair
| and chatting with a nice woman about the startups pitching at
| TechCrunch40 (turned out to be M Mayer)
|
| You can always sit in a folding chair and chat with M Mayer
| in a slack room for the breakout
|
| > - Drew pitching me on Dropbox before launch in Cambridge
| (boring, I thought)
|
| Drew also has a microphone and camera I bet, but it probably
| won't make him less boring
|
| > - Nate pitching me AirBedAndBreakfast in Mountain View
| (loved the idea from the get go)
|
| Who would ever want to actually go to Mountain View? (N.b., I
| lived there for many years)
| alain94040 wrote:
| You are missing the point, none of those chance meetings
| would have happened if they had to be scheduled online.
| fnordpiglet wrote:
| You're missing the point that that doesn't mean they
| can't, it just means you didn't get exposed to the
| opportunities to have them. I certainly have had similar
| online experiences and probably more - my entire early
| career was built off of irc relationships, and my most
| substantial network that has been the most stable over
| time is built in Usenet and irc relationships. Just
| because your experiences in life differ doesn't mean it's
| the only path.
| breck wrote:
| These are all extremely good points and I've completely
| changed my mind, except for the last one. I highly
| recommend an in person trip to Mountain View if you haven't
| experienced the joy of visiting a place where even the
| student drivers are in Teslas.
| eddieroger wrote:
| I enjoyed that part the year I got to go to WWDC, but the
| reality of the event is that's the most exclusive part given
| how few people are able to attend, and I'd gladly trade that
| for the ability to go without fear of the ticket lottery, and
| saving the money on travel, lodging and food isn't bad either.
| For local meetups, I definitely want to get back to in-person,
| but equally welcome an online WWDC for the foreseeable future.
| Shivetya wrote:
| I love them but let me be honest, West coast US events don't
| work for me or many others and focusing on an online event
| opens it up to far more people.
|
| However I see the benefit for having a local audience for those
| who can make it there but we are still a year off before travel
| resumes to normal levels if not 2023. However being such world
| wide company perhaps they will in the future have similar
| events or simultaneous events across the world.
| dev_tty01 wrote:
| It would be cool to have satellite mini-conferences around
| the world for the purpose of getting devs access to Apple
| engineers. It could be an adjunct to the formal online
| presentations that we all see.
| Razengan wrote:
| > _for the purpose of getting devs access to Apple
| engineers._
|
| How about just getting engineers to occasionally
| participate on their own developer forums, and settle some
| of the edge questions that have been waiting for answers
| for years.
| manmal wrote:
| For those who cannot spend 5k and a work week on a conference,
| the fully online format is way superior though.
| ghaff wrote:
| I don't think you're in the minority. But I do think a lot of
| companies are recognizing the value of hybrid events. I at
| least dipped into 2 or 3 events last year that I couldn't have
| justified normally (this one and Adobe MAX). And that's coming
| from someone who normally attends/speaks at a _lot_ of events.
| rvz wrote:
| Most likely going to release a more performant Apple Silicon
| iMac/Macbook Air/Pro, etc running M1X in this year's Macs with
| thinner bezels. Obviously not in a rush to getting last year's
| model.
|
| We'll see how far the developer ecosystem has to catch up and
| mature with Apple Silicon support rather than hitting
| 'unsupported' footguns and workarounds for months. I'm avoiding
| them until then.
| TechBro8615 wrote:
| Does Apple usually make hardware announcements at WWDC?
| wmeredith wrote:
| They haven't in over 10 years.
| plorkyeran wrote:
| The retina macbook pro was announced at WWDC in 2012.
| jolux wrote:
| Totally wrong. The current Mac Pro was announced at WWDC
| two years ago. Lots of other stuff was announced in 2017.
| The last Mac Pro was announced at WWDC in 2013.
| kerbs wrote:
| The Retina MacBook and Mac Pro (trash can and new grater)
| were announced at WWDC within the last 10 years.
| xuki wrote:
| Plenty, for example every iPhone before iPhone 4S with the
| exception of the original iPhone was announced at WWDC.
| PostThisTooFast wrote:
| Is back in that format? When did it leave it?
| fnordpiglet wrote:
| Cv
| 88840-8855 wrote:
| OK, so there was no new iPad in March and there is not
| announcement for an event in April yet.
| ivanech wrote:
| Based on the reflections in the glasses in the header image, I
| wonder if Apple is going to show off ray tracing support on their
| new M chips
| de6u99er wrote:
| I go mostly to conferences as a networking opportunity, to
| connect with and learn from people who have similar interests.
| Most of the sessions cover nothing ehat can't be found online.
| sylens wrote:
| If we do eventually move back to in-person conferences, I hope
| they keep recording the keynote ahead of time. I have enjoyed the
| amount of depth they get into, the transitions and overall
| polish, and most importantly not having to pause every 2 minutes
| while the part of the audience that is Apple employees claps for
| more Animojis.
| victor106 wrote:
| > To support the local economy, even while WWDC21 is hosted
| online and as part of its $100 million Racial Equity and Justice
| Initiative, Apple is also committing $1 million to SJ Aspires, an
| education and equity initiative launched by the City of San Jose.
|
| Slightly OT, but this is so important where most events are
| moving online in a post covid world. Hope other companies realize
| this and do the same.
| ourcat wrote:
| Based on the artwork, they'll definitely be announcing their
| mixed-reality "iGlasses".
| DanHulton wrote:
| I want to believe, but everything I've read about them insists
| that the tech isn't anywhere close to ready to roll out.
| Zelphyr wrote:
| Any chance that image is a hint at an AR glasses announcement?
| ksec wrote:
| One thing I really like about Online WWDC is how the material are
| prepared with no timing restriction. Engineers can talk as much
| as they want to make everything clear without being told trying
| to fit all within one hour. Or features that only really need 20
| min and not try to waste everyone's time to fit in a 45 min slot.
|
| I do wish the future continue to be online video, with a Hybrid
| in person gathering offline for all sort of questions and
| interactions.
|
| Looking forward to Safari [1], if we look at their Developer
| Release Note there has an unusually large amount of work in the
| past year post Safari 14. I think they hired some of the Firefox
| developers to Webkit. Hopefully that will speed up certain
| features implementation.
|
| MacBook Pro M1X, iPad Pro, iMac M1XX?, and Mac Pro
|
| Edit: And you know what? How about bringing back WiFi 6E AirPort
| Extreme.
|
| And hopefully some App Store policy update.
|
| [1] https://developer.apple.com/safari/technology-
| preview/releas...
| heisenzombie wrote:
| > Hybrid in person gathering offline
|
| This is basically the "flipped classroom model", which I like a
| lot.
|
| I think a dedicated in-person conference where it was assumed
| you had already watched pre-prepared videos and then presenters
| did either "office hours" for semi-formal group Q&A or "labs"
| for hands-on working through examples together would be pretty
| awesome.
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| > Edit: And you know what? How about bringing back WiFi 6E
| AirPort Extreme.
|
| I'm lucky to have bought an AirPort Extreme and Time Capsule
| just before they were discontinued. I have no idea who I'd turn
| to now for plug and play home networking. I hope they come out
| with some updates, because I don't feel like doing research
| into that space again.
| dont__panic wrote:
| I actually recently bought that last ever Airport Extreme
| with Time Capsule and wow, I'm pleased with it for the price
| I paid on ebay. Plus now I have backups of my personal and
| work computers! The only issue I've noticed is that you can't
| set discrete DHCP settings for your personal vs. guest
| networks, so my guests have to manually set their DNS since
| they can't reach my pi-hole that's on my personal wifi. But
| that's pretty acceptable since I don't want people to get too
| comfy on my guest network.
|
| I would really love to see Airport come back with a 1-3 year
| old A-series chip, kind of like what they did with the
| HomePod. Except without all the AI/always-on microphone crap.
| galonk wrote:
| I would have said splurge for a Ubiquiti Dream Machine, but
| it's not quite the automatic recommend it was before they
| started taking a "go fast break things" attitude toward their
| software. Still better than any consumer-level gear though.
| briangerman wrote:
| They recently started putting ads in the management
| console. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26628198
| Someone wrote:
| "Not quite"? We're talking about the Ubiquiti discussed in
| https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/whistleblower-
| ubiquiti-b..., are we?
|
| If so, and if that whistleblower is right, _"attacker(s)
| had access to privileged credentials that were previously
| stored in the LastPass account of a Ubiquiti IT employee,
| and gained root administrator access to all Ubiquiti AWS
| accounts, including all S3 data buckets, all application
| logs, all databases, all user database credentials, and
| secrets required to forge single sign-on (SSO) cookies."_
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| I was on the Ubiquiti train, but then I found out the owner
| started cutting costs and outsourced development and now
| there's headlines about ads in the dashboard. I assume it's
| only a matter of time before they start cutting corners in
| manufacturing and quality of components.
| cactus2093 wrote:
| The ads complaints are a little overblown IMO. It's not
| like they're selling your data and ad space on your
| dashboard to other companies. They're just showing you
| their newer product lines from their older product lines,
| it seems more like a deprecation warning than advertising
| to me.
|
| Edit: Ok I immediately regret defending Ubiquiti after
| the new top story about the covered up data breach. I
| agree it seems like there is some crazy mismanagement
| going there based on this and other leaks/rumors over the
| past year or two.
| martimarkov wrote:
| Which is fine if there is an option for me to turn it
| off. But from the settings I couldn't fine one (I might
| have missed it as I don't login that often and it doesn't
| bother me too much).
| manmal wrote:
| I spent some really frustrated hours with the non-Pro Dream
| Machine before I sent it back. Instead, I'm using a Unifi
| USG and two APs, and am really happy with this setup.
| redsky17 wrote:
| Not sure exactly when you had the UDM, but the earlier
| firmware for both the UDM and UDMP was awful and filled
| with bugs. It has since gotten a lot better. I haven't
| had any issues with my UDMP since the newer firmware and
| my home internet experience is much smoother than with my
| consumer routers (which would randomly drop connections
| or refuse new connections until a reboot... full NAT
| table maybe?)
| tw04 wrote:
| I've heard good things about Aruba Instant-On:
| https://www.arubainstanton.com/
|
| I've heard nothing but good things about their enterprise
| gear. They've obviously got to do some market segmentation
| but they appear to be doing that by having APs with lower
| density than the enterprise gear which shouldn't be a big
| issue for most homeowners.
| 1over137 wrote:
| >I have no idea who I'd turn to now for plug and play home
| networking.
|
| Not as simple as Apple's was, but Ruckus' gear is good.
| gsnedders wrote:
| > Looking forward to Safari [1], if we look at their Developer
| Release Note there has an unusually large amount of work in the
| past year post Safari 14. I think they hired some of the
| Firefox developers to Webkit. Hopefully that will speed up
| certain features implementation.
|
| While certainly some people have been hired from Mozilla, I
| don't think it's particularly significant.
|
| The areas which have seen increased activity are mostly down to
| earlier architectural work being completed, both speeding up
| new feature development and accounting for lack of new features
| previously.
| trollied wrote:
| Lots of speculation about AR glasses, given the header image ...
| mortenjorck wrote:
| It's amusing to see Apple embrace a meme that arose from last
| year's M1 event. The header is a clear reference to this:
| https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/macbook-craig
| 1337_d00dZ wrote:
| That is a reflection from the MacBook screen
| bengale wrote:
| I'm sure they put these things in to bait the rumour mill as
| it feels a bit early for glasses. But they do seem to have at
| least two variants of that image with different characters,
| both with glasses 'reflecting' the screen.
| gh-throw wrote:
| They _have to_ expect to figure out how to make non-
| terrible AR glasses in the nearish future. There 's no
| other explanation for why they (and several other
| companies) keep dumping money into AR tech that's cute to
| use for a couple minutes, but otherwise terrible outside
| some very niche applications, on current devices. They want
| to be ready to take advantage of the new tech on day one,
| when they finally figure out how to package the hardware.
|
| Maybe it won't be this year, but I 100% expect to see
| widespread AR glasses becoming the next smartphone
| revolution before 2030, if only because so many big tech
| companies seem to be betting big bucks on it. Certainly
| seems more attainable than self-driving cars.
| bengale wrote:
| Yeah feels to me like it's going to be the next big
| thing. Does seem a little early days though, but this is
| a developer conference I suppose.
| praveenperera wrote:
| Yes, but it's highlighted that way on purpose.
| vesinisa wrote:
| The reflection off the screen reads "Calendar", "June 7",
| "21", and the Xcode and Terminal.app logos. Don't read too
| much into it - those are just the usual "parameters" of the
| event.
| briangerman wrote:
| I hope so it would be nice to spend my developer gift card on.
| nkotov wrote:
| I like that it's online but I will miss in-person events.
| whywhywhywhy wrote:
| Find the Apple MeMoji things fascinating, they're so utterly
| charmless and ugly. Really sums up to me how Apple doesn't "human
| very well", they just don't know how to make something appealing
| and cute (Like LINE Inc.) or even just weirdly funny that it
| grows on you like Bitmoji.
|
| They just come across as weird and gross to me, the art style and
| how they're used feels like an AI failing the Turing test.
| sylens wrote:
| yeah i've never really cared for them
| meibo wrote:
| They're also a very good indicator of which Twitter accounts to
| stay away from. Those soulless eyes don't lie.
| dkdbejwi383 wrote:
| I don't feel quite as strongly, but I do agree they have a
| whiff of "Gen X attempts to appeal to Zoomers" about them
| jibbers wrote:
| Ah they aren't so bad. Kind of look Pixar-y to me. And they're
| not horrifying like Samsung's equivalent thing[1].
|
| [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUnTthHVMCI
| whywhywhywhy wrote:
| >Kind of look Pixar-y to me
|
| More like Dreamworks...
| pibefision wrote:
| It is a great opportunity to ask about ssd lifespan in the M1. At
| the moment it's top secret and nobody knows what will happen in a
| year of normal usage with Big Sur.
|
| Maybe they could change your entire motherboard if it fails after
| guarantee for a small fee?
| rapsey wrote:
| Why would be different to older models with ssd?
| pibefision wrote:
| Older models where not soldered on the motherboard.
| DVk6dqsfyx5i3ii wrote:
| Unless by older you mean over 5 years old that is
| incorrect.
| trollied wrote:
| Yes they were, just look at the teardown for a model from
| the year before:
| https://9to5mac.com/2019/07/12/2019-13-macbook-pro-
| teardown/
| hundchenkatze wrote:
| They've been soldering them on since the 2016 MBP[0]. I
| thought you were referring to the reports of unusually high
| writes on M1 macs, thus shortening the life of SSDs[1].
|
| [0] https://www.macworld.com/article/3144532/revealed-the-
| macboo...
|
| [1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26244093
| hundchenkatze wrote:
| There were reports of higher than normal writes on M1 based
| macs not long ago.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26244093
| mrkstu wrote:
| They cannot truly boot externally- even when you do boot
| external there is an initial dependency on the SSD, so if it
| fails you have an expensive brick.
| makecheck wrote:
| Apple likes flashy presentations but they are far, FAR behind on
| proper support for developers. Addressing problems would go a lot
| further with developers than a bunch of videos.
|
| It's not even difficult to come up with a starting list:
|
| - Add COMPLETE documentation (but we'd all settle for "any" in
| most cases)
|
| - Fix all the NEW bugs being added in each update (and obviously
| get to the old ones too); also, it would be nice if an
| embarrassing number of problems weren't in the developer tools
| themselves...
|
| - After 10+ years provide support for sane income options on the
| App Store (free trials, paid upgrades, no need to create complex
| IAP patterns)
|
| - Abolish 80-90% of App Review, since it clearly fails to prevent
| any scams but does steal endless energy from developers dealing
| with pointless rejections or delays
|
| - Put some restraints on the UI "designers" that keep ruining
| functional UI and making it work worse than ever; development is
| actually becoming harder because things I use everyday are being
| fiddled with
| sturza wrote:
| Any sources/examples for these references? They seem just angry
| venting.
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| The apple dev experience is far from perfect, but it's not like
| the competition is much better. I find myself frustrated when
| working on Android projects much more frequently.
| akshayB wrote:
| I think in future more companies will adapt a complete all-online
| format specially after the pandemic.
|
| One my friends have attended Apple Developer Conference in past
| and he loved the whole process. But there is lot of money spent
| traveling to California, hotel stay, food .... But now with
| events being online it should save small companies lot of money
| too and hopefully Apple gets more participation with online
| format.
| pickle-wizard wrote:
| I don't like the online conferences.
|
| When I go to the in person conferences, it is easy to say I'm
| out of the office those days, and focus on the conference.
|
| With the online ones, I always end up getting pulled into
| stuff, but it's ok because I can just listen in the background.
| ghaff wrote:
| I don't necessarily do a huge number of breakouts when I'm at
| a conference anyway. It's mostly meetings, social, and
| serendipitous interactions.
|
| With virtual conferences, I definitely have a limit both
| because of distractions and just fatigue. It's one reason
| I've pretty much refused to pay for any of the conferences
| that were still trying to charge relatively big bucks last
| year. I just wouldn't have gotten the same value out of them.
| vlozko wrote:
| There's value in in-person meetings that online classes aren't
| good at or simply can't provide so it becomes a trade off.
|
| Cost isn't much of an issue. iOS developers tend to be paid
| well and even then it's often a reimbursed expense. I'm
| obviously not speaking for everyone here.
|
| Most notably it's a means to network with other developers. One
| can recruit, find out more about other companies, meet the
| people working on their favorite open-source project, etc.
| Hands on technical support is significantly easier than doing
| it remotely, especially when external devices are involved.
|
| Lastly, for many it's a chance to unwind and take a pseudo-
| vacation. The San Jose area has lots to do, there's plenty of
| evening events, and there's plenty of people who you'd have
| something in common with to socialize with.
| smoe wrote:
| For me one of the most important things about attending
| conferences is meeting people. Just for networking or some ad
| hoc problem solving. As well as being somewhat "away" from
| work.
|
| I'm curious because so far I haven't attended any online
| conference: What has been done /experiment with during the last
| year especially to foster interaction between the people
| attending instead of just having someone talking into a camera?
| vesinisa wrote:
| It was rather dissapointing that Google cancelled the I/O 2020
| altogether. I really hope they could put something together for
| 2021.
| gherkinnn wrote:
| Product releases yes.
|
| Conferences in general? I hope not. Remote conferences just
| defeat the point. There's no food. No hotels. Nobody to chat
| with. Defeats the entire purpose if you ask me.
| coddle-hark wrote:
| Is there much difference between "attending" the online
| conference and just watching the sessions afterwards?
| bombcar wrote:
| There's a huge difference between attending an online
| conference and attending an in-person - you don't have a
| large number of similarly minded people in a small space for
| a given time when it's online.
|
| It's been the hardest thing to recreate, the hallway and
| lunch meetings (basically because it's hard to politely tell
| everyone to bug off in person but really easy to just log off
| online).
| _fizz_buzz_ wrote:
| I think they meant if there is a difference between
| attending the online conference while it is happening vs.
| watching the videos afterwards.
| belval wrote:
| "Attending" means that you will lock time in your schedule to
| actually watch the sessions.
|
| For most people "watching afterwards" is just another way to
| say "I'll watch it when I have time".
| hvocode wrote:
| I'm very glad it's online, and hope this continues. I've done
| decades of conference/workshop/meeting travel, and yeah - the in-
| person interactions are useful. Those interactions IMHO don't
| outweigh the cost, disruption-to-life, and unfairness that
| physical travel has. I've been mentoring early career people for
| years, and this past 12 months has been wonderful for many of
| them. Not everyone has the $ or time to travel, and many people
| got left out of participating in in-person events as a result.
| Online events have flattened the playing field and are allowing
| people to participate who would have otherwise been excluded. I
| would 100% sacrifice chatting over beers or during coffee breaks
| to let a wider population participate - I'd much rather optimize
| how we do things for everyone, not focus on the desires of the
| subset lucky enough to have the ability, desire, and resources to
| travel.
| fnordpiglet wrote:
| I feel like 99% of the issues here stem from the fact we are in
| the midst of a global natural disaster and folks are irritated
| they can't share respiratory aerosols. That's fair. However I
| think the future is undeniably hybrid conferences.
|
| 1) audience participation- this is the fault of the conference
| organizer and tooling. I have an amazing device attached to my
| computer that captures local photon statistics using an
| interesting effect Einstein discovered that can magically beam a
| simulation of my face to the presenter. If you aren't seeing the
| audience, that's not the fault of the format it's the fault of
| the organizer for now allowing you to see and interact with your
| audience.
|
| 2) in person events and hallways incidentals - yes, this is fair.
| A lot of people really derive pleasure from travel and sharing
| air with tons of other people. Personally, I'm tired of air
| travel and the hassle of sleeping in a widely shared bed at a
| hotel and getting sick in the first 15 minutes of a conference.
| I've had as valuable or more valuable networking interactions
| through irc, Usenet, slack, even pull requests. I've never landed
| a job via a conference or even someone I met at a conference, but
| my career is built on my early use of irc. But it's ok - if there
| weren't a global natural disaster, I expect we would have dual
| format conferences. The successful ones will solve point 1
| effectively, and point 2 can be solved through online networking
| events in the platform. The fact organizers aren't successful yet
| is probably more to do with we slapped this stuff together in a
| hurry due to a global natural disaster. With time and experience
| I don't see why the esports version of the live conference won't
| be just as viable.
|
| 3) blocking time for the conference forces present me to attend
| sessions during the day and my employer is happy to save travel
| and entertainment expenses and let me attend. I will insist on
| that in the future as well - and I'm senior enough I can do that
| unilaterally and allow my people to do it too. I hope you do if
| you're also a tech leader, and if you're an IC advocate with your
| management. Otherwise I can create a playlist for future me, but
| present me will always be too busy to prioritize watching these
| things "in my spare time" (hahaha what's that?)
| perardi wrote:
| I have to think WWDC was costly for Apple to do in person, and
| they may not go back.
|
| Not in terms of money--Apple is not rate-limited by money. But in
| terms of attention. Getting everyone on site for this, namely the
| engineers, while they are also in final iPhone cycle prep must be
| a drag.
| alexashka wrote:
| Ah yes, because Apple is so short on money it can't afford to
| hire more engineers.
| jmull wrote:
| They need to have the same engineers at WWDC to talk about
| the software and APIs as the ones developing the software and
| APIs. Adding more engineers doesn't change that so it won't
| help.
| mpweiher wrote:
| > Apple is not rate-limited by money.
|
| One of my favourite live SJ scenes, at the QA of a new-hire
| meeting:
|
| Person thinking they're clever: What would you do differently
| if you had unlimited resources?
|
| SJ, after short pause: I do.
| andredz wrote:
| What is SJ?
| CharlesW wrote:
| Steve Jobs.
| granzymes wrote:
| In this context, presumably Steve Jobs.
| jldugger wrote:
| It is a distraction but also serves as a forcing function: if
| you can't demo or commit to polishing by September something in
| June, it probably needs to be cut.
| perardi wrote:
| And to flesh that out, as I typed that quickly before a
| meeting...
|
| I have worked on design and events for user conferences for
| several medium-size-ish software firms. Last year, our long-
| standing annual conference went online-only. And I tell ya:
| night and day differences in terms of stress levels.
|
| There is still that crunch to get things to MVP state to show
| off, and people still need to record talks and hold Zoom
| meetings, but something about not having to deal with
| _physically preparing a space_ just made it all so much easier.
| _(And our event space was literally across the street.)_ No
| machine /projector drama, no conference wifi falling apart,
| nobody with late flights...
| formercoder wrote:
| Everything but the last problem is something money solves. A
| good production company would ensure that, while issues like
| that would happen, you'd never be aware of them.
| williesleg wrote:
| I thought masks work.
| ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
| I kinda like the online format, but it feels very strange, to see
| these videos being recorded in an empty office building.
|
| I suspect that a $1M contribution will barely twitch the needle,
| compared to what the WWDC brings in.
|
| Hotels in the Union Square district generally hit the "Gouge The
| Attendees" button, on WWDC week.
| burlesona wrote:
| Even with the conference moved back to San Jose? The last few
| WWDC it didn't seem like anyone was staying all the way up in
| SF, and why would they?
| ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
| Good point. Shows how long it's been since I attended.
|
| For the record, the first few I attended were at the San Jose
| convention center.
| dhosek wrote:
| >Hotels in the Union Square district generally hit the "Gouge
| The Attendees" button, on WWDC week.
|
| But how much of that directly impacts the local economy vs
| going into corporate coffers which are not necessarily anywhere
| near the convention site?
|
| Giving $100 to each of ten employees at a chain restaurant
| would probably have a bigger impact on the local economy (or at
| least the micro-economy of the employees) than spending $5,000
| on food at the same restaurant.
| vmception wrote:
| It does seem weird, and I hate how curated and perfect it is.
|
| But I do find it fascinating how much of an example of
| pandemic-conscious they had been trying to be.
|
| "ah, nothing can go wrong because it is pre-recorded" part of
| the thrill of performance theatre is the suspense of perfection
| and error.
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