[HN Gopher] Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to...
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       Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a robot designed to move boxes in
       warehouses
        
       Author : kyleShropshire
       Score  : 155 points
       Date   : 2021-03-29 11:23 UTC (11 hours ago)
        
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       | jacquesm wrote:
       | dupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26619523
        
       | JshWright wrote:
       | I hope its programmed to detect the sudden drop in weight when
       | the bottom of the box gives out and spills the contents on the
       | floor.
        
       | agumonkey wrote:
       | What will happen to the fleet of human stock running in their
       | warehouse right now ? Will they become Stretch fleet controller ?
        
         | savrajsingh wrote:
         | Uninstalled, put on a basic income. Have you seen the matrix?
         | :)
        
           | throwawayboise wrote:
           | So we'll have to tax the companies to pay for the UBI. The
           | company's choice: pay wages to humans, or pay for robots plus
           | UBI for people not working. Which is cheaper?
        
           | agumonkey wrote:
           | I had a weird dream about the matrix, as if the fact that
           | this movie was made didn't save us from becoming plugged
           | bodies into the virtual world .. instead it's sadly becoming
           | the most plausible future.
        
         | westpfelia wrote:
         | The Capitalist dream will occur and they will all lose their
         | jobs.
        
       | achow wrote:
       | This looks like evolution of Boston Dynamic's 'Handle'. This URL
       | which ends with 'handle' now redirects to an URL which ends with
       | 'stretch': https://www.bostondynamics.com/handle
       | 
       | In 2019 BD released their updated Handle robots which used
       | swinging counterbalance tail to lift warehouse boxes. Looked very
       | dangerous to be around them; this 'Stretch' version seems to have
       | been tamed much.
       | 
       | APR2019 Handle:
       | https://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/industrial-robo...
        
         | monkeydust wrote:
         | Gees yea that wont pass health and safety... impressive though!
        
       | ingend88 wrote:
       | Does anyone know of a kitchen version of this that can be used at
       | home to automate cooking ?
        
         | newsbinator wrote:
         | That doesn't sound as efficient or cost-effective as ordering
         | things from an automated delivery restaurant nearby.
         | 
         | 1- Decide what you want made and how you want it made (by
         | choosing ingredients and cooking methods from a UI)
         | 
         | 2- Place your order
         | 
         | 3- Automated Restaurant queues your custom order, picks
         | ingredients, cooks according to your preferences, and packs it
         | 
         | 4. Drone (or human) delivers it rapidly, while still warm
         | 
         | Better to fill a big warehouse-size restaurant with robots than
         | to fill a million kitchens with robots.
        
           | blueblisters wrote:
           | Yep, I don't think buying a robot that just cooks 3 or 4
           | meals a day per household will ever make economic sense.
        
             | cookingrobot wrote:
             | I think if you could get it down to the price of a car it
             | would make sense for a lot of households. Families are
             | really busy, and meal prep/cleanup takes a lot of time.
        
           | j-pb wrote:
           | Why does everything have to be as cost effective as possile?
           | 
           | I'd much rather have robots in my kitchen and my garden that
           | grow fresh vegetables on my soil, adapted to my preferences,
           | and turn them into dishes that match my taste, than the end-
           | product of a ginormous industrial farming machine.
           | 
           | 60-70% of the worlds food supply comes from family farmers,
           | yet most pesticide and fertiliser usage is in industrial
           | farming. Factory farming is only cheaper because artificial
           | fertiliser is so cheap, but if you look at the "costs" on the
           | entire system/ecosystem it's a lot more expensive.
           | 
           | If you only view food as a source of nutrition and energy,
           | then this might seem reasonable, but it completely ignores
           | the socio-cultural aspects of cooking.
           | 
           | Having a robot in your kitchen allows you to share in the
           | work, to learn from it, and teach it. Maybe you cut the
           | tomatoes while it peels the onions. Or you start cooking, and
           | it finishes for you. Maybe you cook your lunch, but because
           | you want to wake to the smell of freshly baked croissant, the
           | robot does it.
           | 
           | There is an infinite spectrum of interaction, learning, and
           | joy that could come from this, that goes beyond merely eating
           | the prepared dish.
           | 
           | Maybe small restaurants in the style of old Japanese eating
           | houses combined with community gardens would be a good middle
           | ground though, but having industrial take-out everyday sounds
           | like a dystopia to me.
        
             | tW4r wrote:
             | We are halfway there, Samsung afaik presented a cooking
             | robot this CES While the open source community is working
             | on home farming robots [1] [1] https://farm.bot/
        
               | darkwizard42 wrote:
               | Happy to see this mentioned. It has been considered as a
               | project for a spare large outdoor area in my SF home!
               | (good project to get the nephews excited about growing
               | their own food as well)
        
         | petra wrote:
         | Automated cooking at home might look something similar to this:
         | https://olivercooks.com/.
         | 
         | Still missing the ingredient prep though.
        
       | underseacables wrote:
       | I wonder how much Amazon is investing in automated robots for
       | their warehouses, and whether unionization has encouraged them to
       | invest more. Not to be glib, but I could imagine Jeff Bezos
       | saying "no man, no problem"
        
         | pydry wrote:
         | Him treating humans like robots is why they're unionizing in
         | the first place.
        
           | AlexTWithBeard wrote:
           | Could it be because these people do robotic jobs?
        
             | lovegoblin wrote:
             | Even if so, they still deserve to be treated like people.
        
           | loceng wrote:
           | And society not giving an adequate UBI to help make people
           | anti-exploitation is why unionizing has needed to become a
           | thing.
        
             | maskedoffender wrote:
             | You'll just get more and more people believing all work is
             | exploitation and they'll stop working. Then the people
             | still working will have higher taxes, feel that they're
             | being exploited by the people not working, and soon
             | everybody will be unemployed and nobody will be exploited
             | and it'll be paradise.
        
               | igorkraw wrote:
               | Almost yes, except wages for the stuff that needs to be
               | done will rise to the point that you actually earn almost
               | what your labor is worth :-) some of the most important
               | jobs in the world (nurses?!) pay much less than my hobby
               | of sitting in front of a computer and making pretty
               | plots. That's fucked up
        
               | loceng wrote:
               | Quite the unsupported fantasy you've put forward - sounds
               | similar to the argument that once people have enough
               | money they'll stop working, so better pay them only
               | enough to survive - until you include billionaires into
               | the equation, who don't stop working when they have
               | enough to live for 1,000s of years.
        
               | AlexTWithBeard wrote:
               | Billionaires are crazy kind of folks.
               | 
               | To realize what people are going to do when they don't
               | have to work, look at those in retirement: gardening,
               | choir singing, lotto may be?
        
             | PeterisP wrote:
             | The better remuneration and conditions the workers have,
             | the more expensive they are, and the more there's an
             | incentive to invest into capital replacing labor so that
             | you have more machines and fewer workers.
             | 
             | There are many things that could be automated right now
             | (for example, in the garments industry) but are not because
             | it's currently cheaper to do them in a third world country
             | by poorly paid workers - but the moment those workers would
             | have to be properly paid, the tasks would go away as then
             | it would be cheaper to automate.
        
       | villgax wrote:
       | They went around the actual hand-like manipulators to lift boxes
       | from the top & bottom edges like human hands would but with
       | vacuum suckers.
       | 
       | Almost reminds me of the last DARPA challenge for humanoid robots
       | where KAIST cheated with a robot which simply rolled from one
       | place to another & did super slow stairs one leg at a time, which
       | was exactly what the competition was supposed to overcome.
        
         | SwiftyBug wrote:
         | Did any of the competitors do better?
        
         | wodenokoto wrote:
         | This? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6-heLIg85o
         | 
         | Can you explain more about how they "cheated"? it looks like
         | they were awarded 1st prize.
        
           | dylan604 wrote:
           | Did that robot just jerk the plug from the wall by pulling
           | the cord rather than the plug itself? That's such a no-no.
           | Even though there's no actual plug, but what else was that
           | supposed to simulate?
        
           | 6gvONxR4sf7o wrote:
           | Presumably the test designers designed it in a way hoping
           | that if something can pass test X, then it must also be able
           | to do Y, making it a good test of Y abilities. Then someone
           | comes along and figures out how to pass the test without
           | being able to do Y.
           | 
           | You see it all the time in ML stuff. "Only a true AI could X"
           | (with an implicit "and that would imply Y") and then people
           | figure out how to build a system that does X but doesn't
           | imply Y.
           | 
           | Turns out it's amazingly hard to build good standardize tests
           | that don't fall into "When a measure becomes a target, it
           | ceases to be a good measure."
        
           | mitchdoogle wrote:
           | Maybe OP has an ideal these guys didn't live up to. They
           | designed the robot according to the course - there's no sense
           | in which that is cheating.
        
             | bmcahren wrote:
             | I think he's saying the spirit of the competition was
             | failed because it took over 1 minute per step which if this
             | was a consumer or commercial product...would have been a
             | failure. 4 steps look like it took 5+ minutes. Hard to tell
             | because they sped up the footage 20X to make it look
             | reasonable.
        
       | cbm-vic-20 wrote:
       | TL;DR: This is an Inserter from Factorio that can move and built
       | its own Transport Belt.
        
         | dylan604 wrote:
         | seems like you could back up that claim with some links
        
           | timothyduong wrote:
           | Those claims are based on a fictional game.
           | 
           | Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABDLuHlNjHE
        
           | sturza wrote:
           | you could just google it instead
        
             | dylan604 wrote:
             | i'm not the one making accusational claims. if i were the
             | one making claims, i'd offer some sort of backing
             | materials. otherwise, let's just all start making stuff up
        
         | traveler01 wrote:
         | Ah good Im not the only one noticing it.
        
       | dang wrote:
       | Ongoing related thread:
       | 
       |  _Stretch from Boston Dynamics_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26619523 - March 2021 (62
       | comments)
        
       | daotoad wrote:
       | And to think that I laughed at the Daleks' plunger hands...
        
       | wayanon wrote:
       | Nice but I don't trust the suction box top method - though maybe
       | it works if you can guarantee the box strength.
        
         | Pfhreak wrote:
         | Given how many suction cups there are, it seems like it would
         | distribute the lifting force across the top of the box pretty
         | evenly. Like the inverse of the 'bed of nails' phenomena.
        
       | xutopia wrote:
       | It's the least sexy of the videos I see from them in ages but
       | also the robot that seems to the most utility.
        
       | arsalanb wrote:
       | Seems like it places great trust in the structural integrity of
       | the packaging/box. BD claims it can "grab and move" boxes up to
       | 23 kgs.
       | 
       | I've done some work in Mech Engg. designing grippers for smaller
       | objects, and gripping objects is often the hardest part. From an
       | operations research perspective, a human will figure out the best
       | way to carry a box that is almost falling apart almost
       | intuitively.
       | 
       | I can see this being extremely useful in, say, a large warehouse
       | where it is isolated to finding and moving boxes to loading bays,
       | particularly through an API.
       | 
       | Amazon is already doing this, and this video is highly relevant
       | here -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sEVX4mPuto
        
         | grumple wrote:
         | Wow, I have vastly underestimated Amazon's technological lead.
         | I worked in a non-Amazon warehouse many moons ago, and they
         | weren't doing anything even in the same atmosphere as this.
        
           | Symmetry wrote:
           | Kiva bots are cool and have some advantages but I wouldn't
           | say they're that much more advanced than other AS/RSes.
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_storage_and_retrieva.
           | ..
           | 
           | For warehouses willing to make capital investments automating
           | the process of getting bins to pickers is a pretty well
           | understood problem. Getting boxes out of trucks like Boston
           | Dynamics is doing here and getting items out of bins and into
           | boxes like we[1] are doing are the frontiers of warehouse
           | automation right now.
           | 
           | [1] http://www.righthandrobotics.com/
        
           | tralarpa wrote:
           | The number of robots and their speed are really impressive.
           | But the concept is not so new. I saw robots driving around
           | with parts at a car manufacturer in 1991 or 1992.
        
           | achow wrote:
           | I think it is not that bleeding edge a thing.
           | 
           | Flipkart (India's Amazon, acquired by Walmart since then)
           | deployed similar things in their warehouse:
           | https://inc42.com/buzz/flipkart-deploys-100-automated-
           | robots...
           | 
           | Yet another warehouse robotics startup from India:
           | https://www.greyorange.com/
        
             | abledon wrote:
             | yikes , i can imagine it would be hard working in that
             | 'sub' level in the building with only those florescent
             | lights, having robots 'dump' their packages down a shoot
             | onto you. maybe workers only stay there for 6-18 months
             | before moving on to other areas of building (or new job)
             | 
             | Stay strong factory workers!
        
           | delfinom wrote:
           | Amazon bought out a company with an nearly ready product.
           | 
           | But at this point they aren't the only company making that
           | style of inventory/robot system now. There are a few clones
           | out there in use.
        
           | notJim wrote:
           | In the comments on that video, there are Amazon workers
           | saying most of this stuff is still manual. I've read some
           | workers on reddit saying it varies a lot from warehouse to
           | warehouse.
        
         | rasz wrote:
         | What would be the purpose of loading disintegrating box anyway?
         | So it falls apart further down the stream?
         | 
         | This is similar to a situation we often deal in electronics
         | repair business. Some people are very adamant about being
         | careful when reworking around water damaged components because
         | those solder joints/balls/legs are already weakened, when in
         | fact the proper procedure is to rip out and replace everything
         | compromised. Whats the point of turning device back to working
         | electrical order while leaving it mechanically deteriorated -
         | it will come back broken the first time used bumps into
         | something, or when the eaten away solder ball finally gives up
         | after few more heat cycles.
         | 
         | Any time someone would say "be careful or it falls apart" its
         | time to remove/replace it, not pass along hoping to make it
         | someone elses problem.
        
           | vl wrote:
           | > What would be the purpose of loading disintegrating box
           | anyway?
           | 
           | UPS sometimes breaks boxes they deliver. They just re-tape it
           | and finish delivery. Sometimes everything is there, sometimes
           | something is lost and you need to file a claim.
           | 
           | This robot at least needs to recognize broken box and hail
           | human in such case.
        
             | oceanghost wrote:
             | Two of the oddest UPS statuses I have received were (I
             | might be paraphrasing a bit):
             | 
             | "Package destroyed, contents discarded." (it was a piece of
             | furniture with a glass component).
             | 
             | and
             | 
             | "Package delayed due to train derailment."
        
               | mulmen wrote:
               | Much like running a large storage array and dealing with
               | cosmic ray bit-flips and dead drives I wonder how many
               | truck crashes, forklift incidents and train derailments
               | UPS deals with on a given day. I bet their ticket queue
               | is interesting.
               | 
               | Can you imagine triaging a train derailment and _not_
               | setting it to the highest priority?
        
           | tpmx wrote:
           | > What would be the purpose of loading disintegrating box
           | anyway?
           | 
           | I'd imagine the goal ("purpose") is to meet a sweet spot
           | between money spent on packaging materials and cost of
           | returns from broken deliveries caused by the packaging.
           | 
           | Sometimes less money spent on packaging also aligns with
           | corporate environmental goals. If you're into loyal customers
           | you probably want to spend a little more than you "have to"
           | one packaging.
        
         | fiftyfifty wrote:
         | There's something to be said for building the entire warehouse
         | to support automation, versus trying to build a robot that can
         | work in any warehouse.
        
           | monkeydust wrote:
           | True but there is massive long tail of warehouses in
           | operations where this is not possible right now so I can see
           | this working.
           | 
           | Does anyone know the cost?
        
       | blunte wrote:
       | Eventually they will need a solution which can grip boxes more
       | like a human (especially being able to adjust grip to handle
       | boxes that begin to deform).
       | 
       | This one-side suction system will obviously fail if the box
       | itself cannot hold its contents without ripping or deforming.
       | 
       | I would rather see the robot get better than we start using
       | bigger boxes with lighter loads just to make it easier for the
       | robots. I already receive too-big boxes and too much paper
       | packing stuffing.
        
       | simion314 wrote:
       | The video also shows the dog robot, each time I see it I imagine
       | there are versions with machine guns on their backs and get
       | anxious, I would stop showing the dogs ones in the unrelated PR
       | materials.
        
         | scjody wrote:
         | Just don't call it a war dog! Boston Dynamics might get upset.
         | 
         | https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56182268
        
         | ekianjo wrote:
         | Current flying drones are a lot scarier thsn dogs with machine
         | guns
        
           | MarcScott wrote:
           | Especially when you add a flame thrower -
           | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3_eEO0Cvwg
        
           | simion314 wrote:
           | Are there such drones without human remote control?
           | 
           | What would help at least me is to see this dogs actually used
           | for something useful where they are the best solution, what I
           | mean used in production not demos - because I can't imagine
           | that many scenarios where are a good solution over a drone or
           | a robot with wheels.
        
             | bratcomplex wrote:
             | Yes. Definitely. autonomous flying air craft are not new.
             | much easier compared to anything moving on the ground.
             | object and path detections is arguably less likely to fail
             | being less contact with terrain.
        
             | delfinom wrote:
             | >Are there such drones without human remote control?
             | 
             | To be realistic. Spot (the dog) is not autonomous currently
             | either. In fact it doesn't even use "AI", all of its
             | movements are electrical and mechanical control theory on
             | steroids ;)
             | 
             | The BD customer can integrate an AI to direct movements if
             | desired but it's not what BD ships. BD instead offers a
             | human operated remote control with camera system.
        
               | simion314 wrote:
               | Any idea What is it good for?
        
               | emteycz wrote:
               | SpaceX uses them to inspect still burning crashed
               | spaceships (minutes post-crash).
        
               | simion314 wrote:
               | Do they do it for PR reasons? i assume you can use drones
               | more effectively.
        
               | emteycz wrote:
               | Why do you think so? A drone has to be piloted the whole
               | time, while a dog can be positioned and stay there with
               | no further piloting or energy requirement. I also imagine
               | that piloting a drone around hissing gas and in low
               | vision could be problematic.
        
               | simion314 wrote:
               | So if SpaceX needs video of the landing/crash sites then
               | you could buy a few drones instead of a single dog.
               | Because of possible debris and fire on the ground I also
               | expect a drone would be better, and if teh land is clear
               | then a drone could also be configured to land and film
               | from the ground(because you could afford multiple ones
               | you can have different configurations).
               | 
               | I might be missing something though, a scenario where an
               | robot with legs can do better then a flying or wheeled
               | one.
        
               | Mountain_Skies wrote:
               | Fires, especially large hots ones, create wind and other
               | aerodynamic instability.
        
         | delfinom wrote:
         | Take any quadcopter, attach high explosives to it, ram them
         | into people and blow them up. While you are at it, throw on a
         | cheap raspberry pi with some simple machine learned computer
         | vision to target humans.
         | 
         | There, I made you afraid of cheap $100 quadcopters off Amazon
         | and raspberry Pis.
        
           | SyzygistSix wrote:
           | I can't deny what you say is true but something about the Dog
           | and Mule robots is very creepy and disturbing on a deep,
           | visceral level that I don't get from quadcopters.
        
           | simion314 wrote:
           | True, but there are like 1 billion more real world examples
           | where this devices are used in production, so if you see a
           | drone on the sky you think that is probably some kid with his
           | toy, if you see the dog robot what scenario are you imagining
           | ? (assume you are not on a big city with a university)
        
           | westpfelia wrote:
           | My duder you should watch this video:
           | 
           | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HipTO_7mUOw
        
           | imtringued wrote:
           | Most of them cannot carry any significant loads.
        
             | PeterisP wrote:
             | Standard hand grenade is roughly 400g / 1 pound; 40mm
             | grenade launcher ammo often is half a pound / 230 grams.
             | 
             | That's considered reasonably effective by the militaries,
             | and fully within the capabilities of many cheap
             | quadcopters.
        
             | lanternfish wrote:
             | You don't need a very significant load to blow up a person.
        
               | simion314 wrote:
               | I would like to see Myth Busters like video trying this
               | versus other methods (probably is not legal though). If
               | the target is a bit suspicious then i can't see them
               | waiting for a drone to land on their head before it
               | detonates. From I read on news still idiots with guns
               | commit more terrorist attacks. My intuition is that we
               | will see robot dogs with machine guns mass shootings
               | rather then AI drone dropping a grenade.
        
               | EthanHeilman wrote:
               | In Syria and Iraq quadrotors with bombs were used pretty
               | extensively, first by ISIL and then later by the Iraqi
               | state. They were used to target small groups of infantry
               | and vehicles [0].
               | 
               | In another case, small CoTS RC planes did significant
               | damage to a Russian airbase in Syria [1].
               | 
               | [0]: Death From Above: The Drone Bombs of the Caliphate
               | https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2017/02/10/death-
               | drone-...
               | 
               | [1]: Russia Offers New Details About Syrian Mass Drone
               | Attack, Now Implies Ukrainian Connection
               | https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/17595/russia-
               | offers-ne...
        
               | simion314 wrote:
               | This big drones also make me anxious, the difference they
               | did not popup on HN or my Youtube, the only drones I seen
               | before today were the ones used for filming. So yeah an
               | AI controlled large done with face recognition and
               | machine guns also gives me chills, I am thinking that at
               | this moment some military dudes are creating strategies
               | to combine the dogs and drones to create a "police" force
               | somewhere.
        
               | PeterisP wrote:
               | I recall videos of quadcopters dropping grenades and
               | mortar rounds (for accuracy - they can drop one within a
               | trench or at the door of a trench-shelter, unlike firing
               | a mortar from distance) as improvised weapons a few years
               | ago in the Ukraine Donbass conflict.
               | 
               | More advanced "loitering munitions" (essentially, drones
               | that fly around until they're sent to slam into a target)
               | were used in the recent Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.
               | 
               | I believe that all these cases were human-in-the-loop for
               | various reasons, but the possibility for automated
               | targeting seems reachable soon if the armies would really
               | want it (which is not certain).
        
         | 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
         | I'm torn on that scenario. They do not feel fear or worry about
         | self preservation. There is no such thing as "I thought he had
         | a gun and felt threatened."
        
           | aksss wrote:
           | I could see plenty of "I thought he had a gun" scenarios,
           | we're just chopping off the "...and felt threatened" part.
           | Unless the robot accompanies a group of humans and decides
           | they are threatened by the situation. It becomes "I thought
           | he had a gun and decided the humans with me or around me were
           | threatened". Maybe these robots could be outfitted to coat a
           | person in immobilizing goo or something rather than filling
           | them full of holes. Or long range tasers. Or tranq darts.
        
       | ArkanExplorer wrote:
       | Designed to move empty boxes via suction, as far as I can see in
       | the video. How does it handle boxes that actually contain heavy
       | objects?
        
         | javahippie wrote:
         | The manufacturer states it can "grab and move boxes up to 23
         | kilograms (50 lbs) in weight"
        
           | ArkanExplorer wrote:
           | Here's the video Boston Dynamics released, showing the robot
           | in action:
           | 
           | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYUuWWnfRsk
           | 
           | As far as I can see, boxes are picked up from one side, or
           | the top. Some boxes would collapse due to this uneven
           | distribution of force - a human worker would normally pick up
           | a box from both sides, or the bottom.
        
           | numpad0 wrote:
           | Problem is boxes are not necessarily designed to be suspended
           | in the air by lids
        
             | jlarocco wrote:
             | I don't see what the problem is.
             | 
             | Realistically, any company investing in one of these robots
             | is going to make sure it's right for their workflow and
             | that they're using boxes capable of being lifted this way.
        
           | bluGill wrote:
           | Humans are only expected to be able to life 50lbs, you can go
           | a little heavier, but it is no longer a weight that you can
           | safely expect anyone to lift. You need to hire for strength
           | to go above 50lbs. At 75lbs two humans are required to work
           | as a team to lift for safety reasons (weight lifters can go
           | beyond 600lbs alone, but not workers). I'm not sure where the
           | next cutoff is, you soon need mechanical help to move
           | anything.
        
             | vl wrote:
             | And yet UPS just successfully delivered 88 pound kettlebell
             | to my doorstep.
        
             | 0xdba wrote:
             | Weight lifters can go beyond 50+ lbs, safely, only if the
             | weight is basically in barbell (or dumbbell, or whatever)
             | format. A large 100lb box isn't being lifted by any smart
             | weightlifter alone.
        
               | leoc wrote:
               | The World's Strongest Man format contains a number of
               | events that are probably a lot closer to real workplace
               | lifting tasks than barbell events are https://en.wikipedi
               | a.org/wiki/World%27s_Strongest_Man#Compet... . Though of
               | course those full competition weights are very much an
               | upper bound and wouldn't be viable as everyday one-man
               | lifts even if you hired elite strongmen to be your
               | warehouse operatives.
               | 
               | OTOH 73kg (160lb) full beer kegs still get a fair bit of
               | one-man manhandling, and to be a proper professional
               | scaffolder you have to be able to lift a full-length
               | scaffolding pole (just under 30kg, apparently?) from flat
               | off the ground to straight up above your head, partly
               | one-handed in one smooth movement, several times a day
               | routinely.
        
               | fiftyfifty wrote:
               | Hopefully no one that handles beer kegs for a living is
               | lifting full ones. They have special dollies for handling
               | beer kegs, they even have special attachments for fork
               | lifts for picking them up. I've never been to a brewery
               | where anyone was picking up beer kegs by themselves.
        
               | Teever wrote:
               | You've also never been to a bar where the owner is too
               | cheap to buy one of those dollies. Or rather you have,
               | but you've just never been to the back of the bar where a
               | porter is lifting those full gets up and down a rickety
               | set of stairs.
        
               | anon_tor_12345 wrote:
               | as the person below commented strongmen train for the
               | "atlas stones" event which involves lifting (arguably
               | more difficult) spheres weighing from 50 to 339 pounds
               | and placing them atop a shelf. there are also plenty of
               | people that do "tire flips" (myself being one such
               | person) where you lift and flip tires ranging from
               | ~100lbs to >500lbs (and i'm not some kind of 99
               | percentile lifter).
        
         | amelius wrote:
         | For those you simply increase the ambient pressure in the room.
        
           | djmips wrote:
           | Not unlike the Alcubierre drive approach. (please downvote
           | this)
        
           | halfmatthalfcat wrote:
           | Reminds me of TNG: Deja Q, in order to move something of
           | large mass simply "change the gravitational constant of the
           | universe." Thanks John De Lancie.
        
           | craftinator wrote:
           | Comments like this are why I come to HN! Both true, and
           | satirical. Well done!
        
             | djmips wrote:
             | Comments like that are why you go to Reddit.
        
               | emteycz wrote:
               | No, we go to reddit for comments like yours.
        
               | halfmatthalfcat wrote:
               | Damn, no levity allowed on HN now.
        
           | tomcam wrote:
           | Beautiful
        
         | fiftyfifty wrote:
         | I took a tour of the Celestial Seasonings tea company in
         | Boulder, Colorado many years ago and they had a robot arm for
         | loading pallets very much like this one, except it was fixed to
         | the floor. It had the same suction type mechanism and would
         | grab boxes off a conveyer and stack them on pallets to be
         | shipped out. It was very efficient at it's job and definitely
         | was the highlight of the tour for me, even if it wasn't
         | intended to be. Boxes full of tea are not very heavy, but
         | certainly weigh more than an empty box. The point being is the
         | suction mechanism for picking up boxes has been around for a
         | long time (20+ years?), is tried and tested, and in this very
         | article claims it can handle boxes of up to 50 pounds.
        
       | tyingq wrote:
       | I'd be interested to hear about the safety features.
       | 
       |  _" its mobile base means it can slot into spaces designed for
       | humans"_
       | 
       | Sounds like there would be the temptation to have it running near
       | humans. It looks pretty heavy and powerful.
        
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