[HN Gopher] Ancient genomes trace the origin and decline of the ...
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Ancient genomes trace the origin and decline of the Scythians
Author : dnetesn
Score : 27 points
Date : 2021-03-28 10:19 UTC (12 hours ago)
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| brightball wrote:
| The Scythians are fascinating.
|
| I read some history that makes a good case that they are the lost
| Tribe of Dan from early Israel, as well as the basis for most
| Norse mythology.
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| EDIT: Source is this reprint from 1880 by Colonel J.C. Gawler. He
| even goes so far as phonetic analysis of the languages used,
| references and makes an extremely compelling case in my opinion.
|
| I started researching the Tribe of Dan a couple of years back
| after realizing some parts of Greek mythology sounded a lot like
| references that Jewish history predated by 1,000 years.
| Specifically the Rod/Staff of Asclepius (a serpent on a staff for
| healing) sounded a lot like the poison healing bronze snake on a
| pole that Moses created in Numbers 21:9, which was then destroyed
| 800 years later in 2 Kings 18:4 because it had become an idol.
|
| Dan was the seafaring, superstitious merchant tribe and that
| traded across the Mediterranean. There are a lot of notes that
| trace the origin of the Hercules legend to Samson, who I believe
| was from the Tribe of Dan as well.
|
| It's really interesting stuff.
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| https://www.amazon.com/Dan-Colonel-J-C-Gawler/dp/B002YBHRIQ/
| Mediterraneo10 wrote:
| Everyone else, please note that everything the OP talks about
| is not taken seriously among scholars. The cited 19th-century
| book is prescientific (to word it charitably) and its use of
| linguistic data is completely unsound - the author simply
| points to words that coincidentally look similar, but you can
| do that with any languages even if they are completely
| unrelated.
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| Generally mainstream history does not engage in tying a "lost
| tribe of Israel" to other peoples across Eurasia; this is very
| much the province of cranks and esotericists.
| brightball wrote:
| The phonetic analysis amounts to 2-3 pages of the entire
| pamphlet.
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| There's plenty of other interesting information in there.
| mstade wrote:
| Interesting! Do you perhaps have any sources to share?
| brightball wrote:
| Added to the parent.
| Mediterraneo10 wrote:
| This part here is potentially misleading:
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| > Without a written language or direct sources, the language or
| languages they spoke ... remain unclear.
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| This is not quite the case. It is the mainstream consensus - and
| has been for many, many decades - that the Scythians spoke
| Iranian languages ancestral to Sarmatian and Alanic. See the
| article on the Scythian language [0] in the Encyclopedia Iranica,
| the standard reference work for this field. This finding is based
| on onomastics (Scythian names in Greek sources), as well as
| loanwords into the Uralic languages spoken just north of the
| steppes. What is unclear are dialectal divisions within Scythian,
| not the general affiliation of the language.
|
| Random Turkish nationalists on the internet sometimes say that
| the Scythians spoke a Turkic language, as there have been some
| crackpot publications claiming this. However, with regard to the
| millennia BCE this is not taken seriously among historical
| linguists.
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| [0] https://iranicaonline.org/articles/scythian-language
| kvetching wrote:
| For those interested. This is a fascinating documentary on the
| Scythians. https://odysee.com/@ashalogos:92/conspiracy-our-
| subverted-hi...
| FentanylFloyd wrote:
| interesting!
| 8bitsrule wrote:
| The rise of the Scythians et.al. at about/just after the time of
| the 'Late Bronze-Age collapse' and the 'Sea People' makes for a
| tantalizing Gordian knot in history.
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