[HN Gopher] Mozilla, Tor Join Calls to Oust Richard Stallman fro...
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Mozilla, Tor Join Calls to Oust Richard Stallman from Free Software
Foundation
Author : CharlesW
Score : 32 points
Date : 2021-03-24 22:16 UTC (44 minutes ago)
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| underseacables wrote:
| Once you have been painted with the scarlet letter of cancel
| culture, you may never return to before, and will your mistakes
| will haunt and people will hound you for it, for the rest of your
| days.
| konjin wrote:
| Never apologize, always double down.
|
| It's the only way to win against these people.
|
| It's amazing how they squirm when you start digging into their
| lives.
| mark_l_watson wrote:
| As a very liberal person, I have to say that I am disgusted by
| cancel culture. Disgusted.
|
| This is so harmful to society, and is a dark path that the left
| has taken in my country. To put it plainly, my political party
| has turned into whinny little people.
|
| People should lose their jobs over things like sexual or any type
| of harassment but when I read Stallman's actual comments last
| year, I thought that it was very clear that he was only defending
| his friend, who was dead and couldn't defend himself.
| flyinglizard wrote:
| When the pendulum swings the other way on cancel culture, we will
| miss the old days of subtlety and taking things in context.
| crazypython wrote:
| Here's a satirization of the open letter:
| https://medium.com/@ultralux97/stallman-must-be-removed-a306...
| konjin wrote:
| What's Mozillas market share like again?
|
| Taking advice from losers is terrible idea.
| wmf wrote:
| Higher than GNU/Linux.
|
| Update: Market share isn't really my point. Mozilla makes a
| browser used by millions of people while the FSF mostly
| reminisces about the old days. If Mozilla is a loser then the
| FSF is already dead by comparison.
| konjin wrote:
| Not really: https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share
|
| Firefox is irrelevant. Which explains why they support things
| like this.
|
| If you can't win by building better software you can win by
| bullying anyone else who does.
| kinghajj wrote:
| https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share
|
| Last I checked, ~4% is greater than <1%.
| asabjorn wrote:
| Linux dominates in the server space [1]:
|
| * In 2021, 100% of the world's top 500 supercomputers run
| on Linux.
|
| * Out of the top 25 websites in the world, only 2 aren't
| using Linux.
|
| * 96.3% of the world's top 1 million servers run on
| Linux.
|
| * 90% of all cloud infrastructure operates on Linux and
| practically all the best cloud hosts use it.
|
| Although you are correct its windows desktop competitor
| has a low market share, there has been some shift towards
| Linux derivates such as Chromebooks that captured 10%
| market share in Q4 2020 and 5.3% in 2020 overall [2]
|
| [1] https://hostingtribunal.com/blog/linux-
| statistics/#gref [2]
| https://www.geekwire.com/2021/chromebooks-outsold-macs-
| world...
| djohnston wrote:
| Wait android isn't linux? Not a mobile dev, just always
| thought it was linux..
| pratikss wrote:
| GNU/Linux is not limited to Desktop. It's magnitudes more
| relevant than Mozilla.
| hjiofdgojhi5489 wrote:
| Linux is _the_ server /embedded/supercomputer OS. It is
| "relevant". I'm not sure RMS had much to do with that.
|
| Posting from Firefox on Linux, ~4% does not make
| something "relevant".
| restingrobot wrote:
| You're looking at market share among consumers. Check
| server marketshare and come back.
| konjin wrote:
| You should check better:
| https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-leading-
| enterprise-li...
| gentleman11 wrote:
| The page won't load but my "free articles this month" still go
| down every page load
| gennarro wrote:
| Same. I can't read the article at all.
| bcrescimanno wrote:
| The article itself is fairly generic. A rehashing of why
| Stallman was out in the first place, noting that he was
| recently re-appointed, and some quotes about why he shouldn't
| be involved.
|
| See the Open Letter / Petition here for more details:
|
| https://rms-open-letter.github.io/
| samizdis wrote:
| There's a copy archived here about 20 mins ago:
|
| https://archive.is/s9Ikp
| nameTheJew1488 wrote:
| fucking jews
| exyi wrote:
| It just seems to be article about this tweet:
| https://twitter.com/mozilla/status/1374513444838199304
|
| and this petition: https://rms-open-letter.github.io/
| quineoa wrote:
| Comments in this thread represent what's wrong with the industry.
|
| The article references sexual harassment, the commenters care
| about market share.
|
| Did you know it's important to hold people accountable more, the
| more power they have?
|
| It's one thing if you disagree, but making it about "winners" and
| "losers" and not about victims is how we ended up creating toxic
| workplaces.
| nyolfen wrote:
| the sexual harassment was asking women at conferences on dates
| restingrobot wrote:
| >The article references sexual harassment, the commenters care
| about market share.
|
| _Alleged_ sexual harassment. Granted I don 't know the whole
| story, but it doesn't seem like there has been anything more
| than accusations. I don't think its right to fire someone based
| on heresay. Once he is proven to have crossed the lines, then
| I'm all for holding him accountable. Until then, I think people
| should keep the pitchfork in the shed.
|
| Also I'm not defending his commentary, but people are entitled
| to their own opinions.
| datavirtue wrote:
| There aren't any threads in this post yet. LOL
| datavirtue wrote:
| What did Stallman do specifically? Why is it always so hard to
| find out what someone actually said or did when they are being
| cancelled?
| bcrescimanno wrote:
| The Open Letter site itself has an Appendix that includes
| specifics:
|
| https://rms-open-letter.github.io/appendix
| lukasb wrote:
| Start here: https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-
| stallman-appendix...
| orra wrote:
| Stallman seems to have a history of being manipulative and
| sexually harassing women. https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-
| richard-stallman-appendix...
|
| He also has some troubling views that _at best_ make him an
| inappropriate spokesperson.
|
| https://rms-open-letter.github.io/appendix
| crazypython wrote:
| Here's a satirization of the open letter:
| https://medium.com/@ultralux97/stallman-must-be-
| removed-a306...
| kbelder wrote:
| By being vague, they can give the slightest missteps immense
| gravity.
| konjin wrote:
| He was (((white))) and a black student needed a scalp for her
| future career.
| [deleted]
| geofft wrote:
| Many things, over many years. The free software community was
| deeply unhappy with him for a long while. Here's a subset:
|
| http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2019/10/15/fsf-rms.html
|
| https://wingolog.org/archives/2019/10/08/thoughts-on-rms-and...
|
| https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/52587.html
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25193674
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21000374
|
| The immediate pressure for him to resign was a media firestorm
| over his Epstein comments, but that wouldn't have done anything
| had he not already lost the support of the free software
| community by then.
| yellowapple wrote:
| Glad to see that Mozilla refuses to tolerate neurodiversity.
| Socially awkward people deserve to be permanently ostracized from
| society, am I right? I'm proud to use a web browser developed by
| people who offer no quarter to autists, schizos, and the rest of
| them loonies; if they wanted inclusion, they should just stop
| being mentally unwell - it's all in their heads, after all! Thank
| you, Mitchell Baker, very cool.
|
| (/s, because on the Internet nobody knows you're a dog^W^Wbeing
| sarcastic)
|
| ...like, I ain't saying I like the guy or anything - he
| definitely seems like someone I wouldn't enjoy interacting with
| day-to-day - but I'm skeptical of the idea that having heterodox
| opinions or being a bit of a stubborn ass should be a fireable
| offense. If he was outright sexually assaulting people, or
| abusing a position of power for sex, or something like that, then
| sure, villainize the guy (and - better yet - pursue _criminal_
| charges), but as it stands, it seems like his worse _actual_
| offense was being a stereotypical socially awkward nerd.
|
| But hey, if Mozilla doesn't want to associate with the FSF for
| whatever reason, then that's their perogative. I'm sure they'll
| stop using GNU and its components company-wide any day now.
| kbelder wrote:
| I want to like Firefox. It is at least a tolerable alternative to
| Chrome.
|
| But the Mozilla foundation just taints it. Every time they come
| out with one of their sanctimonious PR releases they make me want
| to have less to do with them. I think they've completely lost
| their focus.
|
| I end up bouncing between Chrome, Firefox, and Brave. Brave makes
| me the happiest, but it's a minor player, and I'm worried about
| it's long-term prospects.
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