[HN Gopher] Hit Japanese app Crabhouse forced to change name on iOS
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Hit Japanese app Crabhouse forced to change name on iOS
Author : edandersen
Score : 211 points
Date : 2021-03-14 11:40 UTC (11 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (japantoday.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (japantoday.com)
| f-word wrote:
| Good for him. I'd just have made it a PWA so Apple can't stick
| their grubby paws on my stuff any more.
|
| Apple needs to be made to stop; clearly not just for this random
| crab app lol but their absolutely heinous business practices need
| to be put to an end.
| PragmaticPulp wrote:
| This story is more outrageous in English, but the real reason
| becomes clear when you see the Japanese translation:
|
| > "Crab" and "club" is one such case and to make matters worse,
| when rendered in Japanese katakana script they become identical:
| kurabuhausu.
|
| Apple already allows apps with similar names, as long as they're
| not deliberately misleading users.
|
| The Clubhouse social media app is actually named "Clubhouse:
| Drop-in audio chat" ( https://apps.apple.com/us/app/clubhouse-
| drop-in-audio-chat/i... )
|
| A project management company already has the app named
| "Clubhouse" (
| https://apps.apple.com/us/app/clubhouse/id1193784808 )
|
| Cloning Clubhouse with similar sounding names is a trend in other
| countries, where companies are trying to capitalize on
| Clubhouse's popularity.
|
| My favorite is "Club Horse" which is one of tens or hundreds of
| blatant Clubhouse clones that have popped up in China:
| https://twitter.com/pitdesi/status/1369682085833711618
| est wrote:
| > one of tens or hundreds of blatant Clubhouse clones that have
| popped up in China
|
| Clubhouse is powered by Agora, the Chinese audio tech provider.
|
| Agora is founded by the same poeple from YY, a popular chat app
| and originally a Teamspeak clone.
| uranusjr wrote:
| Aside from the point that the backing technology doesn't
| define where a service is "from", it's still a clone popped
| up in China no matter what's being cloned?
| biryani_chicken wrote:
| I thought this was about Clubhouse the project management app
| (https://apps.apple.com/us/app/clubhouse/id1193784808).
| adolph wrote:
| I suppose that given the pandemic's possible sources a
| synonymous "Batshack" clone title wouldn't be popular. Maybe
| "Bullymansion" would be better.
| vmception wrote:
| PangolinCage
| dane-pgp wrote:
| If Crabhouse pivoted slightly to be a social media app for
| supporting trainee crustacean lawyers, maybe they could change
| the name of the app to "Crab - How sue?"
| bitwize wrote:
| Badum-tish! Or rather, _Sosumi sound_
| olingern wrote:
| Yeah, this is certainly a gray area though. If I release an app
| in America -- do I own that parking spot everywhere?
| Personally, I think not
| heavyset_go wrote:
| As long as it isn't a trademark, then you don't. There are
| thousands of businesses in the US that have the same names as
| other companies.
| zxcvbn4038 wrote:
| Crabapple?
| juanani wrote:
| Had no clue those letters could be pronounced the same. Would
| anyone like to start a computing company called Uppre?
| fortran77 wrote:
| What's odd is actual "similar name" scams are so common on iOS
| Store that the only good way to find the correct app quickly is
| go to the website of the company whose app it is and look for the
| link there. I had to do this yesterday to get the right app for
| my Insurance company.
|
| Look for deceptively-named apps around everything, especially
| Microsoft products. Apple doesn't seem to care about these....
| finger wrote:
| There is already an app called Clubhouse which is a project
| management application/tool. What about that?
| dkdbejwi383 wrote:
| Isn't that the 'other' app in this story? Or have I missed
| something?
| mav3rick wrote:
| Clubhouse is a voice based rooms social app that's all the
| rage these days.
| BelenusMordred wrote:
| Maybe they should put a maximum Damerau-Levenshtein distance in
| their T&C's to make it clearer for future developers?
| alpaca128 wrote:
| That would make it harder for Apple to apply their double
| standards at will. Tech companies like it when the most
| specific they have to get is "you violated the guidelines".
| marcinzm wrote:
| Yup, they even remove your app if you have a trademark on the
| name but not the backdoor connections with Apple. Harder to
| do that with an actual documented process:
|
| https://www.worldtrademarkreview.com/brand-
| management/clubho...
| mchusma wrote:
| I agree the process with google and apple is fickle and
| horrible. However,I did read the article you linked, since
| the social media app was using the mark "clubhouse" first,
| they would have legal priority. To win trademark
| infringement cases generally you need to prove there is
| confusion and priority.
|
| If you happen to later get a trademark through an office,
| in most jurisdictions you don't get to "steal" those
| rights. They are quite straightforward to cancel, although
| it takes some time.
|
| That said, Apple and Google's policies are fickle and
| confusing and indeed your best bet is to have connections
| to their companies. IMO google is worse because Apple has a
| group you talk to, and google has you submit forms to
| something they don't typically respond to.
| apricot wrote:
| Making it clearer for developers is the opposite of what they
| want. The more obscure the rule, and the more convoluted the
| appeals process (if one even exists), the easier it is for the
| dictator to control their domain.
| hn_throwaway_99 wrote:
| Well, a minimum distance of 1 seems reasonable. As the article
| notes, these are _the same words_ in Katakana, and the punny
| time was clearly intended to ride on Clubhouse 's coattails.
| echelon wrote:
| Time to build Crabhouse on Android and force Clubhouse off when
| they want to join.
| eternauta3k wrote:
| Already there
|
| https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.GAIBAKO.Cr...
| Pxtl wrote:
| "Not available in your country"
|
| Why do people hate Canada?
| nippoo wrote:
| "To English-speakers' eyes the difference between "Crabhouse" and
| "Clubhouse" are quite clear, but that's not necessarily the case
| in other languages. In Japanese, the pronunciation of the letters
| "l" and "r" are largely interchangeable, as are the English
| vowels "a" and "u" in many cases. "Crab" and "club" is one such
| case and to make matters worse, when rendered in Japanese
| katakana script they become identical: kurabuhausu."
|
| This is clearly a purposefully confusing/punny name (it's unclear
| whether they made any money from downloads or if it was just an
| elaborate joke)... - it doesn't seem particularly draconian for
| Apple to wield their hammer in this particular instance...
| zerocrates wrote:
| The App Store screenshot shows it as being free. I'm pretty
| sure "elaborate joke" is the correct place to come down on
| this.
|
| Also see the hastily-corrected name on the wall of "crabhome."
| dalai wrote:
| Isn't this a bit unfair? The app is free (with IAP) and the
| screenshots are a dead giveaway what the app is about. If
| crabhouse was the most popular, would they force Clubhouse to
| change its name? Somehow I doubt it.
| fsckboy wrote:
| "This is clearly a purposefully confusing/punny name"...
|
| the measurement of trademark infringement is not how much money
| a competitor makes, but how much the owner loses. Is Clubhouse
| losing any money or users due to the confusing/punny name they
| themselves clearly chose for their product in the Japanese
| market? I bet not a single person who wants Clubhouse is
| deterred or confused by this obvious lighthearted satirical
| farce. This squabble probably brings more attention to their
| product, Streisand effect.
|
| (and yes, this was an Apple move, not a Clubhouse move as far
| as we know, but the point stands)
| woah wrote:
| What?
| hkmurakami wrote:
| > it's unclear whether they made any money from downloads or if
| it was just an elaborate joke
|
| The top review on Japan app store (translation by yours truly):
|
| "recently work had been so busy that I was starting to get
| depressed. That's when uuddenly I wanted to eat taraba-kani
| (red king crab), but in my wallet was 50yen and not a Noguchi
| (the person on the 10,000JPY bill). I sighed and fiddled around
| with my phone...and that's when I discovered this app. At
| firsti thought this app would just be about gazing at crabs,
| but before I knew it my fingers had tapped the install button
| and I had opened the app. What a wonder! My fingers wouldn't
| stop using the crabs and before I knew it it was morning. As I
| was getting ready to go to work the crab at the top right of
| the screen spoke out to me, "work isn't worth it, you should
| quit." Tears flowed from my eyes. "That's right... I had tried
| hard enough." That day I resigned from my job. Today I'm living
| happily with 32 crabs. My house smells a little fishy but I'm
| having a pretty fun time now. Aah, I want to eat King crab..."
|
| https://apps.apple.com/jp/app/crabhome/id1551908729?l=en
|
| Looks like the app is now called crab home.
| jiyanjs wrote:
| The person on the 10,000 JPY bill is Yukichi Fukuzawa.
| hinoki wrote:
| Noguchi Hideyo is on the Y=1000 bill, so I think GP just
| added an extra zero?
|
| But that's odd, since king crab is pretty expensive. I'd be
| suspicious of any place serving it for Y=1000!
| jiyanjs wrote:
| True. Either that or they messed up their famous people
| on bills. Y=1000 crab sounds suspicious indeed.
| lovedswain wrote:
| It is my dream to some day release an app that garners a
| review like this
| mc32 wrote:
| Moreover Crab in Japanese as far as I can tell is 'Kani'
| [kani]. So it would be 'KaniHouse' which makes this a more
| obvious riff.
| numpad0 wrote:
| Japanese language isn't so strict wrt throwing in
| transliterated words, eg "konosukimudewakusurutoZhi
| chiniagurihadekinai(kono scheme de work suru to tadachi ni
| agree ha dekinai)" would work in Japanese webdev
| bruxis wrote:
| English/foreign words are commonly adopted nowadays,
| especially for naming of products and places.
| heavyset_go wrote:
| > _it doesn 't seem particularly draconian for Apple to wield
| their hammer in this particular instance..._
|
| Ironic, considering the issue[1] between Apple Corps, Apple
| Computer and now even further blur the lines, Apple Music[2].
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer
|
| [2] https://music.apple.com/
| jesperlang wrote:
| Just to clearify:
|
| ku = Ku
|
| ra = Ra
|
| bu = bu
|
| Crab would be Cu-ra-bu (Kurabu)
|
| Club would be Cu-(l/r)a-bu (Kurabu)
| joeblau wrote:
| Thanks for clearing up how the words are pronounced.
| tonetheman wrote:
| Hmmmmm. That feels really broken. It is impossible to even get
| into Clubhouse... how in the hell can it be so popular that a
| private club app gets to win in that case.
|
| Someone from Apple is on the board of the people invested in
| Clubhouse? Someone got paid. That feels a lot like pay-play
| schemes from the recording industry and radio.
| fortran77 wrote:
| > Someone from Apple is on the board of the people invested in
| Clubhouse?
|
| Almost certainly. Or someone from Clubhouse called Apple board
| member "Al Gore" and told him to fix it.
|
| https://247wallst.com/technology-3/2020/08/04/who-is-on-appl...
|
| He's been a "fixer" for many Apple issues, including getting
| Steve Jobs deflected from a back-dated stock option scam. (Jobs
| paid himself $1/year to beat payroll and income tax, and was
| compensated in backdated stock options, so he'd only have to
| pay the long-term capital gains tax rate)
|
| Source: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/steve-jobs-haunted-
| by-back...
| mcphage wrote:
| I didn't see any mention in your source about Al Gore
| ewindal wrote:
| > It is impossible to even get into Clubhouse
|
| Is it? Don't you just need an acquaintance on the inside? I got
| invited by someone I worked with once upon a time shortly after
| installing the app just to see what all the fuzz was about.
| Griffinsauce wrote:
| > It is impossible to even get into Clubhouse... how in the
| hell can it be so popular that a private club app gets to win
| in that case.
|
| Making their treatment of Hey even more bullshit.
| AbrahamParangi wrote:
| It's honestly amazing that there's basically no way to run
| software on your iPhone unless Apple approves of every aspect of
| it, including the name.
| simias wrote:
| It amazes that that this is still considered amazing. Apple is
| the gatekeeper of software running on the app store, always has
| been, probably always will be (modulo a successful anti-trust
| campaign I suppose).
|
| If you want to be able to decide what runs on your device,
| don't get an iphone. That's why I don't own one myself. If on
| the other hand you want the peace of mind of letting Apple
| gatekeep the software you can use on your device, then it makes
| perfect sense.
|
| As someone who's spent more hours than I really care to count
| removing all sorts of crapware, browser extensions and website
| notifications from friends and family's PCs, I definitely see
| where Apple is coming from here.
|
| Enforcing naming conventions so that apps do what they say and
| say what they do doesn't strike me as particularly draconian or
| unexpected in this context. It's not a bug, it's a feature, and
| if that's a problem for you then don't buy iphones.
| ineedasername wrote:
| _Enforcing naming conventions so that apps do what they say
| and say what they do doesn 't strike me as particularly
| draconian or unexpected in this context._
|
| Uber, Tinder, Twitter, and countless others would dispute the
| "Apple just want's accurate app name descriptions" theory.
| And in this case "Crabhouse" is a highly accurate
| description, or at least more so than many others.
| simias wrote:
| I agree that it's very arbitrary, but the justification
| that it could set a precedent by allowing effectively
| "copycat" application using spelling to mislead users holds
| _some_ water IMO. It 's especially problematic when
| application names are translated in other scripts and
| languages, which is the case here.
|
| Imagine if a south african made a "facebok" app to share
| pictures of goats (bok meaning goat in afrikaans), I'm sure
| it would be rejected on the same grounds.
|
| But I agree that the decision is very arbitrary and it can
| be frustrating if you're on the receiving end, but such is
| life on Apple's walled garden. Like it or leave it.
| michaelt wrote:
| Given that, when I search for 'clubhouse' or 'slack' or
| 'google maps' in the app store, the first result is an ad
| for a competitor, I'm not sure Apple gives a shit about
| user confusion?
| LordDragonfang wrote:
| As usual, Apple's principals are steadfast only as long
| as they can't find a way to violate them and extract more
| value from their customer.
| krisgenre wrote:
| Don't forget 'Apple' :)
| spideymans wrote:
| >If you want to be able to decide what runs on your device,
| don't get an iphone. That's why I don't own one myself. If on
| the other hand you want the peace of mind of letting Apple
| gatekeep the software you can use on your device, then it
| makes perfect sense.
|
| To further your point, people forget that Android devices
| often (if not usually) come preinstalled with OEM and carrier
| app stores, in addition to the Google Play Store. The Samsung
| App Store being the most prominent example.
|
| Carriers love to control the experience (more revenue
| potential), and they were the original mobile app
| distribution platforms. If there was such a demand for
| alternative app stores, the carries would aggressively push
| their own alternate app stores onto consumers.
| jayd16 wrote:
| This is silly. They could still keep the store strict and let
| you side load apps like on Android or the Mac. We would all
| lose nothing and only gain.
| thamer wrote:
| > We would all lose nothing and only gain.
|
| It's really not that hard to see how many would lose a
| whole lot if this feature was available.
|
| If side-loading was allowed and tons of users side-loaded
| pirated games I'm sure these users would gain, but would
| the developers? Wouldn't they call on Apple to stop this? I
| mean the headlines just write themselves: "Apple is
| complicit and profiting from piracy by selling phones on
| which it's trivial to install pirated games".
|
| If people started installing random software they heard of
| on social media, how would the image of the iPhone be
| changed by the inevitable malware that people would
| install? "This new iOS virus steals your data and private
| photos".
|
| What about all the spyware apps that would get side-loaded
| onto the phones of unsuspecting spouses? "Woman murdered by
| psycho ex who tracked her every move through her phone".
|
| It takes a little bit more than "it's silly we would all
| only gain" to make this argument.
| smallpipe wrote:
| > "Apple is complicit and profiting from piracy by
| selling phones on which it's trivial to install pirated
| games".
|
| I'm not seeing any of these headlines with Android
| qq4 wrote:
| I'm also not seeing any of these problems on macOS.
| tadfisher wrote:
| I was trying to distribute a macOS app to a friend to test
| it out. The friend said their Mac told them the app was
| damaged and they should move it to the Trash.
|
| Apparently I have to get a Developer account, obtain a
| Developer ID certificate, sign every build with this
| certificate, and upload the build to Apple to have them
| "notarize" the signature.
|
| The alternative is to teach my friend how to run obscure
| commands in the Terminal or disable this "Gatekeeper" (yes,
| such an unironic name) feature altogether, which requires
| some scary steps such as disabling SIP. I could be wrong
| about that last part, but I don't own a Mac so I'm more
| inclined to just not build software for it.
| my123 wrote:
| System Preferences -> Security and Privacy.
|
| You'll find an override toggle there. You can also use
| Right Click -> Open when launching the app. And no, you
| don't need to disable SIP to disable Gatekeeper which can
| be done through sudo spctl ---master-disable.
| tadfisher wrote:
| Right-click + Open resulted in the same error dialog; I
| presume this has something to do with Big Sur. The option
| to allow apps from "Anywhere" is also not available in
| the preferences pane.
| my123 wrote:
| Right-click + Open has to be done twice to work.
|
| The anywhere option is hidden by default, use sudo spctl
| ---master-disable from Terminal instead, which flips
| Gatekeeper settings to Anywhere.
|
| Edit: there's also this path:
| https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/415713/verify-
| code... which doesn't seem to activate Gatekeeper as part
| of the install process.
| dagmx wrote:
| Just tell them to right click and select open the first
| time they launch it.
|
| None of the other stuff you mentioned is necessary unless
| you need your users to avoid that.
| tadfisher wrote:
| That actually didn't work; see my response to the sibling
| comment.
| newbie578 wrote:
| It amazes me that people can still be so obtuse and keep
| parroting how you just don't need to get an iPhone. In a
| market where you are stuck between two choices, it isn't so
| easy to just cut one.
|
| Apple's day of reckoning is coming closer, I believed the EU
| will rein them in and I can't wait to see people on HN defend
| them then.
| [deleted]
| HunterWare wrote:
| The problem with that logic is that it doesn't address how
| this situation came to be. Apple has been consistent about
| their product vision since basically day one, and on day
| one they were the underdog... a drop in the pond. The thing
| is that over YEARS the market (people) consistently voted
| with their wallets to validate this vision. That's why they
| are what they are now. This has two implications: 1) The
| reason it's happening is due to long term choice in the
| market, i.e. this ecosystem is filling a need that whiners
| are ignoring, and 2) It ignores the fact that if your
| stated hopes actually came to pass, someone else would just
| execute on good hardware with a walled garden (with the
| resulting more consistent and reliable experience) and
| become popular AGAIN... after all, that's what just
| happened this time.
|
| People will answer this post saying "that's not true, you
| can totally have the iOS experience with side-
| loading/whatever". Those people also likely believe that
| the "right communism" just hasn't been tried yet. If one
| could actually do this then likely someone would have tried
| it and succeeded already. Another way to realize that is to
| understand you are just describing Android, and a perfectly
| valid existing choice (actually, several choices in a
| family). Additionally, those people are ignoring the fact
| that the security/convenience/consistency trade-offs made
| in any ecosystem do have consequences (positive and
| negative from varying perspectives).
|
| Which leads us back to the parent: If one wants a different
| trade-off (which is totally valid and I have happily owned
| and developed for both systems in the past) then pick a
| different ecosystem and buy into it. MY personal pie in the
| sky wish is that people would quit pissing on other people
| who don't want to be forced to make THEIR choice. Please
| take your choices and stop advocating to take MINE away.
| xnyan wrote:
| > Those people also likely believe that the "right
| communism" just hasn't been tried yet.
|
| It's crazy anyone could believe that, if anything besides
| Marxist-Leninist or Marxist-Stalinist communism could be
| possible then of course it would already happened and
| thus cannot possibly exist. History is over.
| avr0 wrote:
| > Those people also likely believe that the "right
| communism" just hasn't been tried yet
|
| Well, it has been tried, in the mid 30s in Spain, and it
| had worked, and it was called Anarchism. Anyway one point
| for you for bringing politics in this thread, another one
| for generalizing, and one point for me for replying.
|
| Take care
| simias wrote:
| I really don't care to defend Apple in particular, I think
| the only Apple product I've ever owned was an old school
| hard-drive ipod over a decade ago.
|
| It's just that Apple has always been pretty clear that it's
| going to push whatever arbitrary rules it sees fit to
| ensure a certain level of quality on its platform and
| that's par for the course.
|
| I agree that de-facto having to choose between Android on
| one hand and iphones on the other is not ideal and I'd like
| more competition in this space, but at least there is an
| alternative and there are plenty of Android smartphones
| that can be rooted to give you full access if you so
| desire. It's not ideal, but I really find it hard to find a
| flaw in Apple's approach to these things if their objective
| is to create a somewhat "premium" curated platform.
| 8ytecoder wrote:
| As someone who has gone through multiple clean installs back
| in the day, I finally caved in and switched to an iPhone a
| few summers ago. I didn't want to deal with the crapware and
| security holes that won't be patched after merely two years.
|
| I still have an old HTC One that I have managed to install a
| more recent OS on. It's unbearably slow. My mom's SE from
| around the time still works great in comparison.
| random5634 wrote:
| This - my parents phones keep getting updates after
| purchase. They never updated their cheap android (or maybe
| updates lagged badly and there were none). People are our
| paying EXTRA for Apple gate keeping pretty happily
| jb1991 wrote:
| It's honestly amazing to me that the most predictable comment
| is also the most tired. Software philosophies differ.
| vmception wrote:
| At least it doesn't take 10 days anymore
|
| I think it was 5 years ago already when Apple got it down to 1
| day
| foolfoolz wrote:
| that's not true. this applies to the app store
| bstar77 wrote:
| You can say this about any closed platform. There's nothing
| wrong with closed platforms having these policies if they are
| advertised and designed as such. Apple has been consistent from
| day one. there are other options, buy an Android or Linux
| mobile device if you want something a bit more open.
| ineedasername wrote:
| _Apple has been consistent from day one_
|
| They have only been consistent in having a walled garden.
| Their rules have been inconsistent in how the rules are
| applied.
| mjthompson wrote:
| It is true that as a consumer, I can avoid Apple products.
| The _real_ issue relates to the options open to app
| publishers, that is, people who want to distribute an app.
|
| There is no viable alternative for a company wishing to
| publish an app: you _have_ to target iOS or you perish. Many
| companies today _need_ to have an iOS app. For example, a
| bank, or a big chain grocery outlet, probably needs an iOS
| app to exist in the market. This isn 't a tiny niche area
| which can be avoided.
|
| The only way you can publish an app is with Apple's approval.
| Therefore, Apple are exercising a significant degree of
| market power.
|
| In the US, the idea that because a company is private it can
| trade however it pleases has been rejected since 1890 when
| the Sherman Act was introduced. It's the same in most
| capitalist economies. The conduct of companies is subject to
| reasonable regulation to ensure healthy competition.
|
| I've established earlier that Apple has significant market
| power in the mobile app space. Because of that, it's fair
| that we ask Apple to be reasonable when deciding what apps to
| approve, and the conditions on which they approve them,
| because they are exercising a significant degree of market
| power.
|
| This is a space calling for regulation. Apple and Google
| should not be free to reject or impose conditions on apps as
| they wish. We have a right, as the people who make rules
| about how companies may trade, to ask for them to be
| regulated when they are exercising a significant degree of
| market power.
| spideymans wrote:
| Competition law should work in the inserts of consumers,
| not private business. As long as consumers are voluntarily
| choosing to lock themselves behind this walled garden, I
| don't see why their user experience should be degraded to
| further business interests.
| hctaw wrote:
| It's perfectly reasonable to not distribute on Apple
| platforms. Many companies choose to do this, and have for
| decades!
|
| The viable alternative is a web page. But yes, if you want
| the security and performance supported on a native Apple
| platform, you have to play by Apple's rules.
|
| Harm to companies isn't harm to consumers.
| bmarquez wrote:
| Except when Apple neglects web page technology (example:
| push notifications are available on every browser
| platform except iOS).
|
| And harm to companies is harm to consumers when they
| purchase products with applications that get taken away
| due to Apple (example: I upgraded my iPhone to play
| Fortnite, which was available on iOS at the time of
| purchase -- now it's not).
| rootusrootus wrote:
| Even then, it's clear that Google aspires to be more like
| Apple with every iteration of their software. And the number
| of people opting for Linux at this point are insignificant.
| ceejayoz wrote:
| It happens on open platforms, too. Trademark lawyer sends a
| cease and desist. Unless you're flush with cash, you rename
| the app.
| MattGaiser wrote:
| That's a feature for us iPhone users, not a bug. I don't need
| to consider risk when I do anything on an iPhone as there is
| next to no risk.
| amelius wrote:
| What amazes me more is that people accept it.
| [deleted]
| krzrak wrote:
| > It's honestly amazing that there's basically no way to run
| software on your iPhone unless Apple approves of every aspect
| of it, including the name.
|
| Frankly, I'm quite OK with that. Just today I was trying out
| some apps for tracking baby sleep/feeding/pooping (my wife
| expects to give birth in a week) and on iOS it was pretty nice
| and safe experience, with clean apps and my only concern was
| usability and features. I remembered my experience with
| Android, where I would have to rake through hundreds of
| fake/buggy/malicious apps.
| droidist2 wrote:
| I agree. It's fun to just download a few apps and try them
| out. I enjoy installing new apps on my phone. I've heard
| people say "I hate installing apps" and these people are
| almost always Android users.
| spideymans wrote:
| I haven't used Android for a few years, but back when I did
| it wasn't uncommon for me to come across apps that did
| horrible things, such as completely hijacking the Android
| UI to display ads or whatever. I bought into Apple's walled
| garden specifically to get away from this garbage, and I'll
| be none too pleased if legislation forces my user
| experience to be degraded.
| amelius wrote:
| You are conflating "app store" with "content filter".
|
| You can have one without the other, or you can use both. Also
| you could have a choice in which app store or which content
| filter you use.
|
| Apple happily lets you believe those concepts are one and the
| same thing, though. And users buy into it.
| Nullabillity wrote:
| Facebook is still on iOS. Zoom is still on iOS.
| libraryatnight wrote:
| My younger self was all about the kind of freedom that makes
| people hate Apple. But my younger self didn't see the
| absolute disgusting mess the internet became (sorry teenage
| me, it's not a utopia unhindered by borders, fueled by access
| to free information). Now, sometimes I want Apple. Sometimes
| I want Disneyland. I get why at Disneyland a man mysteriously
| appeared out of nowhere in a red coat and white gloves to
| tell me and my kid friends to turn the system of a down
| coming from my buddies backpack speakers off because it's
| disruptive to the atmosphere. It's why you can have faith if
| you buy a Nintendo console you're going to get fun games
| anyone can enjoy. I get why apple doesn't want trash on their
| app store. When you buy Apple, you buy a device and an
| atmosphere. It's clean. It works.
| parineum wrote:
| > sorry teenage me, it's not a utopia unhindered by
| borders, fueled by access to free information
|
| I'd argue that you found a walled garden inside of that
| unhindered utopia.
| voceboy521 wrote:
| who cares. that's the point of apple. they're your daddy. you
| can simply not use it
| coldtea wrote:
| How is it amazing? That has been the case for game consoles and
| other stuff for ages. Same for most mobile phones, for the
| biggest part of their existance (where they just came with a
| few OEM supplied apps and that's it).
|
| That said, there is a way to run software that Apple doesn't
| approve: jailbraking.
| heterodoxxed wrote:
| In exchange for an audience of 1.65 billion.
| geofft wrote:
| Why is that amazing? I pay Apple a premium for that feature.
|
| Not everyone considers it a feature, and I'm glad that other
| products exist to provide choice in the market. But I do, and
| so do many others.
| ellyagg wrote:
| Just change it to Crabclub.
| ttraub wrote:
| Is 150,000 downloads enough to attain "hit" status in the iOS
| world? On Android, anything less than half a million or so is
| somewhat niche. 150K is a respectable number, but just saying.
|
| Also, was the takedown initiated by the Clubhouse owner? Seems
| like the ill will they have created is not worth whatever
| imagined advantage.
| [deleted]
| m1117 wrote:
| Wait, crabhouse is older than clubhouse and is forced to change
| its name? That's unfair.
| avs733 wrote:
| The actual reason for this aside, I would be much more interested
| in using CrabHouse than ClubHouse, entirely based on the
| description of the two and my experience with internet
| communities.
| peterkelly wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer
| yesenadam wrote:
| Fascinating, thanks! So Apple computers used to have
| synthesizer/sound chips, and still might if it wasn't for the
| Beatles!
|
| This is about the Ensoniq synth chip, with 32 oscillators, that
| was in the Apple IIGS: http://www.buchty.net/ensoniq/5503.html
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