[HN Gopher] I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and ...
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I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email
service
Author : tinyprojects
Score : 1200 points
Date : 2021-03-11 11:17 UTC (11 hours ago)
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| ada1981 wrote:
| Missed opportunity here is to have made this free with a "powered
| by emojimail" link. Give people 1 month free for every friend
| they refer and after 3 months charge them for the year.
| opinologo wrote:
| "I cried into my keyboard forking out yet more money for a llama
| emoji that I probably didn't need."
|
| Kudos to the author for such a fun project
| rwmj wrote:
| I thought IETF had banned emoji domain names after the unicode
| snowman was registered?
| (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2035572)
| alexmingoia wrote:
| I did too... I'm assuming some registrars just haven't properly
| dealt with this case.
| setBoolean wrote:
| ICANN banned emoji gTLDs. But there are ccTLD registries that
| don't fall under ICANN regulations.
| ylere wrote:
| Cool project! Like others noted mail can be such a pain though,
| you'll need a lot of customers to make it worth keeping it
| running after the first year.
|
| Note: In the FAQ it says the price is $5/yr, but it seems to be
| $9.99 now.
| vidarh wrote:
| I co-founded Nameplanet. Back in '99 we registered ca. 60,000
| domains to provide vanity e-mail addresses (not at full price -
| we negotiated steep bulk discounts for several TLDs). In the
| end we moved on to create the dot-name TLD, and sold the e-mail
| service. It took the purchaser less than a year to recoup a
| multi-million purchase price by converting a tiny proportion of
| the userbase to paid accounts.
|
| So, yes, you'll need a lot of users, but there's been a market
| for paid vanity e-mail addresses for a very long time, and this
| seems to be an untapped niche... I doubt he'll get rich off it,
| but there's a good chance he can grow it to a size that makes
| it very worthwhile.
| Aldipower wrote:
| This address will not work for obvious historic reasons in
| Germany.
| yoodenvranx wrote:
| Yeah, that product is pretty much dead on arrival in Germany
|
| Such emails would look _very_ sketchy to most Germans
| [deleted]
| sieste wrote:
| As a native German I have to admit that the problem with .kz
| only occurred to me after you mentioned it. I'm not sure if I
| should feel good or bad about this.
| carstenhag wrote:
| For anyone outside the german-speaking countres:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps -- In
| german: Konzentrationslager, abbreviated with KZ. Similarly,
| never use abbrevations like SS, NS, AH, HH, HJ in Germany.
| Also, some of these are forbidden on our license plates.
| umanwizard wrote:
| Why is Konzentrationslager KZ rather than KL ?
| Cockbrand wrote:
| Good question! German Wikipedia says because it's got a
| harsher sound to it: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konzentr
| ationslager#Nationalso...
| qwerty456127 wrote:
| Are Buddhists and Hinduists allowed to use Swastika in
| Germany?
| bsenftner wrote:
| The German swastika is a mirror reflection of the religious
| icon, btw.
| SavantIdiot wrote:
| Btw, there are dozens of other occurances, not just one:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
|
| "In Chinese, Japanese, and Korean the swastika is also a
| homonym of the number 10,000,..."
| qwerty456127 wrote:
| No, it isn't. Dharmaic traditions use both directions.
| dheera wrote:
| This is correct.
| joeberon wrote:
| Yes
| qayxc wrote:
| Yes they are. The Swastika is a religious symbol, the
| Hakenkreuz is not.
| rob74 wrote:
| For the same reason, I hope he doesn't support this emoji
| https://emojipedia.org/star-of-david/ - or else the service
| would attract customers he might not want to be associated
| with...
| thrwyoilarticle wrote:
| Take nazi's money and give them a broken email system in
| return? Sounds win-win to me.
| 0-_-0 wrote:
| Jews?
|
| edit: nevermind, I get it now.
| capableweb wrote:
| Eh, you don't want the service to attract Jews or what? Star
| of David is a symbol within the Jewish community. What you
| are referring to is probably the "Yellow badge" that was used
| by Nazis for identifying Jews. Two very different things.
|
| Let's not make all Jewish symbols Nazi-related, we have
| enough of that already.
|
| Also, some soldiers wore the Star of David as a symbol of
| defiance against antisemitism. So if you see someone wearing
| that symbol (or using a domain with that symbol), assume they
| are Jews/supportive of Jews, not that they are Nazis.
| Tepix wrote:
| Associating the star of david with the .kz TLD
| (concentration camp) is not a good idea.
| capableweb wrote:
| Unless you're a avid Jew living in Kazakhstan of course.
| capableweb wrote:
| For us who don't have the historic context (nor understand the
| reference to past concentration camps), what do you mean it
| won't work?
| shakow wrote:
| KZ is the shorthand for Konzentrationslager, i.e.
| concentration camp.
| capableweb wrote:
| Ok, and .kz is the ccTLD for Kazakhstan. You think people
| can't realize the difference?
| ben0x539 wrote:
| I'm sure people can realize the difference, but I'd
| expect the thought process in Germany to go something
| like
|
| 1) hmm, they have .kz as the TLD
|
| 2) apparently thats kazakhstan? TIL
|
| 3) kinda weird that they, not being from kazakhstan,
| would choose to have that as their TLD. Maybe they're
| using it with another meaning in mind.
|
| 3.5) Let's give them the benefit of the doubt but remain
| wary of potential secret nazis, as one has to, here.
| atleta wrote:
| It's not whether they realize what it means as per the
| intent of the service provider, it's about what people
| think it means for other people. Since we're talking
| about an email service. I.e. I guess it's one thing to
| email someone in Germany from an <emoji>.kz email address
| and a completely different one to have customers (well,
| at least non-neonazi ones) signing up for such and
| address. Even if they do realize what kz stands for.
| shakow wrote:
| I'm just giving the explanation of the historical context
| to GP, I'm neither German nor a lawmaker in Germany.
| wongarsu wrote:
| Germany is a bit over the top in this regard. When
| abbreviating a name to two letters (like as an avatar or
| as a short form for a newspaper author name) we usually
| specifically avoid KZ, HJ, NS, SA, SS. You also can't get
| those in a license plate.
|
| There must be some demographic which cares. I've
| personally only seen people amused by it.
| NullPrefix wrote:
| Could you please explain HJ, NS and SA?
| wtf_is_up wrote:
| HJ = Hitlerjugend (Hitler Youth)
|
| SA = Sturmabteilung (NSDAP paramilitary org)
|
| NS = idk, probably NatSoc / National Socialist
| Doctor_Fegg wrote:
| There's a difference between "realising the difference"
| and "actively wanting it as my internet identity".
| ratww wrote:
| Yep. If you're a German living or working in Kazakhstan
| it's certainly fine to have a _.kz_ email.
|
| Using it as in a vanity domain like we do with _.me_ or
| _.io_ , on the other hand, will definitely look weird.
| growt wrote:
| If you asked 100 people in Germany(!) what "KZ" stands
| for the result would be something like 95 say
| "Konzentrationslager", 5 say "I don't know" and 0 "ISO
| code for Kazakhstan".
| capableweb wrote:
| Indeed. But if you ask the whole world (as we're on the
| internet), 1% might recognize it as
| "Konzentrationslager", 2% might recognize it as
| Kazakhstan and the rest have no idea.
|
| So for general internet usage, I think it's fine. We're
| not modelling the internet after German customs after
| all.
| eloisant wrote:
| No we're modelling the internet after US customs, which
| is why boobs are banned from mainstream Internet services
| and have to hide in the porn.
|
| I'm not sure we're better off.
| capableweb wrote:
| Maybe if you frequent websites based in the US, yeah.
| Otherwise no, there is plenty of boobs all across the web
| and some sites don't hide porn as not everyone is as
| prude as the americans.
|
| But there are other webs out there, speaking many
| different languages and carrying many different customs.
| The beauty is that if you don't like US customs, you can
| usually find communities that are far away from US
| culture.
| growt wrote:
| I just tried to explain why the .kz email-address would
| be problematic for germans. I didn't propose that this
| should be the general rule for all the internet.
| Personally I don't have a problem if someone from another
| country emails me from a .kz domain. But I wouldn't get
| one myself and if the person emailing me is german I
| would probably look twice to see what the reason behind
| that domain choice is.
| thomond wrote:
| You think the average person would know what a ccTLD is
| or that kz refers to Kazakhstan?
| garbagetime wrote:
| I think the average internet user is familiar with
| country-specific TLDs.
| hvdijk wrote:
| I think the average Internet user is not familiar with
| country-specific TLDs except for their own country and a
| few others. Most people do not realise that .me, .tv,
| .cc, are country TLDs, they think they are country-
| independent TLDs similarly to .com, .net, .org, and in
| practice they may well be used more by organisations and
| people that have no relation to those countries than by
| those that do. In this case even users who are aware that
| they are strictly speaking country TLDs have reason to
| assume the same applies: .kz was _not_ picked because of
| any relation between Mailoji and Kazakhstan. It was
| picked for technical reasons, but users would not know of
| those technical reasons, they would have no reason to
| think it was picked for anything other than .kz being
| seen as a good name.
| folli wrote:
| i.e. Nazi Death Camp
| shakow wrote:
| No, concentration camp. Extermination camps were a subset
| of concentration camps.
|
| Doesn't mean that prisoners were expected to be well
| treated in a concentration camp (typically just well
| enough to be productive as a slave), but they were not
| directly sent to the gas chambers.
| krsdcbl wrote:
| we don't make too much of a distinction in Germany or
| Austria in general usage of the word - while what you
| point out is technically correct, pretty much everybody
| here will understand "KZ" as "the whole of the nazi death
| machinery" and will definitely want to avoid to append it
| to their mail address in such a prominent way
| shakow wrote:
| Oh I'm all for simplifying the general language, the
| distinction doesn't really matter. However, I prefer to
| stick to the correct terms in writing :)
| ludamad wrote:
| I think words here do matter. Concentration camp isn't
| taken as a euphemism, per se, but Nazi-specific jargon.
| This weakens its ability to invoke sympathy for other
| high-density, high-mortality regions
| quickthrower2 wrote:
| I really enjoyed the rabbit hole and sort of wished you made more
| money.
|
| I think you need FOMO to get this to take off. My idea would be
| to join clubhouse app (I can invite you if you need) and tell
| people about your story as it's entertaining, get some
| influencers there to have an emoji email on their bio as a
| contact - which is a perfect fit as most bios have a lot of
| emojis and clubhouse has no DM feature but people like to get I
| touch. The idea is a nice mix of utility and craze. Better than
| those NFTs in my opinion.
|
| Plus I'm tempted to get one :) I'll sleep on it though.
|
| Good luck!
| mbreese wrote:
| And now, I own yet another domain name. At least this one is so
| that my kid can have a very unique email address. That's some
| high quality tween cred.
| kuu wrote:
| Really fun idea and interesting to see how it grew and grew :)
| teddyh wrote:
| When we can't even discuss current tech events here on HN because
| HN filters out the characters needed, maybe it's time for HN to
| rethink its emoji filtering policy.
| tester34 wrote:
| I think you may expect way too much from such a simple website
| emodendroket wrote:
| Supporting Unicode characters is too much?
| scbrg wrote:
| Supporting Unicode characters comes with a set of
| complications that you may want to address, as, for
| instance the infamous HTML-parsing with regex rant shows.
|
| As soon as you start trying to address those, the simple
| problem suddenly grows quite a lot in scope.
| enriquto wrote:
| Notice that HN already does support unicode: a b g e o
| Ben
|
| It actively filters out a small part of it, mostly emojis
| (which I think that it is a good thing to do).
| Biganon wrote:
| I find this trend of despising emojis quite pretentious
| and annoying. They are very useful in some circumstances.
| Acting like anyone using them is a dumb teenager, or they
| will automatically ruin a community, is completely
| absurd.
| vmception wrote:
| Its Gen X and you know it
|
| They don't know it, but the rest of us do
|
| Its not a trend its out of touch old people that dont
| know they're out of touch old people yet
| emodendroket wrote:
| What exactly are we afraid will happen if someone uses an
| emoji instead of typing :) ?
| enriquto wrote:
| it's not really a big deal. Just like not allowing bold
| or colored text in the comments.
| xPaw wrote:
| Is HN actually filtering these, or they use utf8 in mysql
| which is famously not full utf8mb4?
| [deleted]
| capableweb wrote:
| Hah, you think HN would use something mainstream like
| mysql?! I don't blame you.
|
| But HN is 100% custom software, and built with it's own
| programming language as well, Arc (on Racket). AFAIK, HN
| still runs on files-as-a-db. You could check out the
| source here: http://arclanguage.org/install
| gus_massa wrote:
| That release is quite outdated. They added a lot of stuff
| to filter spam, voting ring detectors, and other
| moderation stuff. Anyway, as far as I know, everything is
| still saved to the file system.
| enriquto wrote:
| Why "still" ? Is there anything wrong in using the
| filesystem as a database when it suits to do so ?
| capableweb wrote:
| Nope, I'm not implying it's bad, just that they used to
| do that and they still do that to this day. I have
| nothing against storing data in files. In fact, I do that
| all the time myself too.
| KorfmannArno wrote:
| Don't databases also store data in files or am I missing
| the point?
| capableweb wrote:
| Yes, ultimately they do (usually) and yes, you are
| missing the point.
|
| "filesystem as a database" is not referring to database
| software that stores the data on disk but rather that the
| application is directly interacting with the filesystem.
| Imagine dumping a JSON document to disk, then reading it
| from disk, compared to storing a JSON string in a DB.
| Sure, they are both backed by the disk, but one is not
| "filesystem as a DB".
| monstersinF wrote:
| I am very thankful that it's not supported
| corobo wrote:
| Lets just use punycode, it can be the new l33t xn--g28h
| Symbiote wrote:
| I think it would be acceptable to support emojis, but set
| the font to use the black/white ones rather than colour.
| That removes most of the distraction.
|
| At present, this can be done by following any emoji
| character with the text variant selector, U+FE0E [1] (the
| example works perfectly on Firefox on KDE).
|
| Later, it will be possible with CSS [2].
|
| [1] https://mts.io/2015/04/21/unicode-symbol-render-text-
| emoji/
|
| [2] https://drafts.csswg.org/css-fonts-4/#font-variant-
| emoji-pro...
| ada1981 wrote:
| These still work:
|
| [?] [?] [?] [?] [?] [?] [?] / \ / \ | - - - > [?] [?]
| [?] < [?] [?] [?] [?] [?] [?] [?] [?]!! !?~[?](c) (r) (tm) # _
| 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 m (Zhu) (Mi)
| [?] [?] [?] [?] # #_ # 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
| teddyh wrote:
| The unfiltered ones include, incredibly, the _private use
| area_ of Unicode. You know, the code points that might show
| up as any symbol at all depending of the font?
|
| About a year ago,
| (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22741817) someone here
| used what they thought was the Apple logo symbol, but some
| fonts (which follow the ConScript (unofficial) Unicode
| Registry for private use characters) might show a KLINGON
| MUMMIFICATION GLYPH instead!
| marban wrote:
| Thanks for the reminder, I now own a double rainbow domain.
| elliekelly wrote:
| It's a bummer the username can't be an emoji, too. <money
| bag>@<rainbow><rainbow>.kz would be an awesome email address.
| tobib wrote:
| I love how it says everywhere to "buy" a TLD when it's really
| renting or leasing. It's not like it's a one time payment and
| then you own it.
| tobib wrote:
| Is this wrong? Am I misunderstanding anything? I'm genuinely
| curious.
| pwdisswordfish0 wrote:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26421454
| quickthrower2 wrote:
| This is not _that_
| Toutouxc wrote:
| Maybe the whole covid thing lowered my happiness-level standards,
| but I find this charming.
|
| Also I would be scared to receive actual money from people for
| something as out of my control as email. I hope the author
| doesn't get hit by a wave of "my emoji emails are not being
| delivered to @commercial-behemoth or @government-branch and I've
| made my emoji adress my main one and it's all your fault" a few
| months down the line.
| notsureaboutpg wrote:
| On the mailoji website it says you cannot currently send emails
| using your mailoji address. It's just for forwarding mail to
| your main inbox at the moment
| gnopgnip wrote:
| The clever part about this is they don't deal with
| deliverability at all. This is only for incoming email.
| Tepix wrote:
| The emoji part is charming.
|
| The name grabbing (netflix and facebook domains) - not so much!
| maybevain wrote:
| Personal preferences aside, the original article [0] on the
| Netflix and Facebook domains gives context which is no less
| charming, at least on ethical grounds.
|
| Quoting the relevant part: "They're welcome to have them back
| anytime they want."
|
| [0] https://tinyprojects.dev/posts/i_bought_netflix_dot_soy
| jefe_ wrote:
| The customer's words echoed in his mind. 'robert at lightbulb
| emoji dot kz, but with a real lightbulb emoji.' The clerk had
| registered thousands, maybe tens of thousands of e-mails into the
| Nordstrom Rack Nordy Rewards program, and he had seen it all, but
| this, this was something entirely new. This wasn't the single
| letter username or the overly sexual address or the gmail address
| with the plus sign, all mildly interesting but within the bounds
| of what was possible. What was normal. What was sane. This was
| something entirely new. The point of sale workstation has no key
| for the lightbulb emoji. This was the predicament. But if an
| emoji can be an e-mail address, maybe some other part of the
| computer can be a keyboard. Maybe the floor can be a table. Maybe
| hands can be screwdrivers. The clerk began touching the screen.
| Pawing at the sides of the monitor. He began mumbling as he moved
| his attention to the receipt printer, ripping it open, 'there's
| gotta be an emoji button in here somewhere.' As his search
| intensified, so too did the stares of customers waiting in line.
| In a final effort the clerk hoisted the register above his head
| before smashing it on the ground, bringing himself down with the
| machine. Associates had pooled around their coworker and were
| urging calm. Emergency Services had been notified and were en
| route, and slowly the chaos turned to calm. An associate reached
| out to ask the customer if she could finish ringing him up on
| another register. 'Sure,' he replied, 'but this time let's just
| use my gmail address.'
| devoutsalsa wrote:
| >> Maybe the floor can be a table
|
| Why wouldn't you throw stuff all over the floor. It's the
| biggest shelf in the room.
| kozak wrote:
| By the way, we already have an "emoji button" on our keyboards:
| on Windows, it's the Win+. keystroke. Try it if your Windows 10
| is updated enough.
| TurkishPoptart wrote:
| On my work computer on Win10 it just opens up the magnifier
| :(
| allannienhuis wrote:
| it's <winkey> AND <periodkey>. I tried <winkey> AND
| <pluskey> the first time too :)
| fegu wrote:
| Thanks, did not know this. In fact, learned both Win + plus
| (and discovered Win + minus along the way) as well as Win +
| dot :)
| rendall wrote:
| <-- Yes!
|
| Edit: Alas, it does not work on HN. Pity.
| MegaButts wrote:
| Where does this work?
| oauea wrote:
| Literally everywhere. HN just strips out emojis from
| posts, because they're obnoxious.
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| oauea wrote:
| > Try it if your Windows 10 is updated enough
|
| And if it's not, please go update your Windows. You should
| not be reading HN with out outdated operating system.
| akx wrote:
| That UI is hilarious (for a given value of hilarious) in the
| sense that the search for emojis uses whichever input
| language you're using, even if your UI language is something
| else.
|
| So, for instance to find the light bulb emoji, I need to
| start typing "valo" (light in Finnish), which really threw me
| off at first.
| Razengan wrote:
| The iOS and I believe macOS emoji picker let's you use any
| language to search for emojis. hato brings up hearts for
| example.
| codetrotter wrote:
| But you have to switch to that language first.
|
| For example on my iPhone if I type in Norwegian and jump
| to emoji then I can type "hjerte" and find the heart. But
| if I type "heart" then there are no results when the
| language is Norwegian. So if I want to search for emojis
| by English name, then I must first ensure that my
| keyboard is in English. And this is good I think, but
| wanted to point it out.
| garmaine wrote:
| On my phone at least (latest iOS) it will search any
| installed keyboard languages.
| belval wrote:
| The default Android keyboard has similar behaviour. I was
| learning Spanish so I switched my phone to Spanish then
| back in English at some point later. Yet the change never
| propagated to the keyboard for some reason so my emojis are
| still in Spanish.
| Razengan wrote:
| _eggplants in Spanish_
| chordalkeyboard wrote:
| _la berenjena_
| Nition wrote:
| I originally thought the typing didn't work at all, because
| the couple of times I tried pressing Win+. the emoji UI
| came up, and it said "Keep typing to find an emoji", but
| nothing happened when I typed.
|
| Turns out the search only works when you have a text entry
| area selected elsewhere.
| ezekg wrote:
| For other readers: emoji keyboard is ctrl + cmd + space on
| macOS.
| jfk13 wrote:
| Not always; that's app-specific, not a system-wide setting.
| [deleted]
| dhosek wrote:
| I think it is system-wide. At least I've not encountered
| any input field where it doesn't work. Even Microsoft
| Office, which uses its own input routines, supports it.
| GekkePrutser wrote:
| It doesn't work in every app sadly. Qt based apps for
| example
| dhosek wrote:
| Hmm, I guess I've never used any Qt-based apps.
| GekkePrutser wrote:
| I use two now, Quassel which is an IRC client, and QtPass
| which is a password manager. Both are cross-platform
| which is great because I don't use just Mac. I use pretty
| much everything. Mac, Windows, Linux, FreeBSD.
|
| That means most of the built-in facilities of the Mac
| (like iCloud Keychain) are no good for me. Because they
| only work on Apple OSes.
|
| But anyway both these apps don't support this. When I
| press the keystroke, nothing happens. I suppose it only
| works for apps that use the native text input boxes, or
| that have built specific support for the feature like
| browsers.
|
| In my password manager I can do without Emoji, though it
| allows for text comments and it would be handy there. In
| IRC it's quite handy to have the option these days.
| jfk13 wrote:
| It's a shortcut to an Edit menu item within the
| application, so whatever shortcut the app gives it; e.g.
| in Firefox it appears to be simply Cmd-<space>.
|
| But wait... that doesn't actually work (it just switches
| to the next input layout). Maybe that depends on my
| keyboard settings in System Preferences. Or maybe it's
| just a Firefox bug.
| vulcan01 wrote:
| Cmd-space launches Spotlight. Ctrl-space switches the
| input layout. Ctrl-Cmd-Space launches the emoji viewer
| (even in Firefox...)
| jfk13 wrote:
| Not for me. (I suspect the details of this vary between
| system versions, and they certainly depend on settings
| chosen in System Preferences / Keyboard / Shortcuts.)
| ezekg wrote:
| Works fine for me in latest Firefox. I've never had it
| not work in a specific app. Though, sometimes the
| keyboard crashes and doesn't come back up until a restart
| (that could be the fault of my Ryzen Hackintosh, though).
| jfk13 wrote:
| What exactly works in Firefox -- is it Command-Control-
| Space or just Command-Space?
| dhosek wrote:
| It's the standard behavior. If you do something to modify
| or override it of course it won't work, but that's like
| changing the keyboard to Dvorak and saying that pressing
| the g key gives an i instead so you can't count on
| getting a g when you press the g key.
| jfk13 wrote:
| It's standard for Cocoa-based apps, I think, but it
| doesn't appear among the system-wide shortcuts in System
| Preferences on my Big Sur system, at least. The only
| shortcuts offered under Input Sources there are to select
| the previous or next input source (which are set to Cmd-
| Space, Cmd-Opt-Space).
|
| A command to open the Emoji & Symbols palette is
| generally at the end of each application's Edit menu, and
| that's where its shortcut appears. But in current Firefox
| the item in the Edit menu shows the shortcut as Cmd-Space
| (not Cmd-Ctl-Space), and it doesn't work for me because
| the system-wide shortcut takes precedence.
|
| If I disable that shortcut in System Preferences (which
| may well be the default, particularly if multiple input
| methods are not enabled), then Cmd-Space _does_ work in
| Firefox to bring up the Emoji palette -- but note that it
| 's not the standard Cmd-Ctl-Space combination.
| joshstrange wrote:
| On macOS I use Rocket [0]. It's not perfect but it's the
| best I've used and it does make finding the emoji you want
| pretty easy. You can add custom alias/shortcuts for the
| emojis and you can also use it to insert images/gifs from
| the searcher.
|
| [0] https://matthewpalmer.net/rocket/
| pilsetnieks wrote:
| The globe button on newer Macs can be retasked to call up
| the emoji input panel (I guess any button could be before
| with custom keyboard shortcuts but now it's a simple
| dropdown in keyboard preferences.)
| scaladev wrote:
| A couple of alternatives for Linux users.
|
| https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IBus#Emoji_input
|
| The kitty terminal emulator supports this out of the box (it
| also works on two other platforms):
|
| https://github.com/kovidgoyal/kitty
|
| Ctrl+Shift+U opens a Unicode input panel with fuzzy search by
| symbol code or name.
| mxmilkb wrote:
| https://github.com/Mange/rofi-emoji
| codethief wrote:
| And another character picker for Rofi:
|
| https://github.com/fdw/rofimoji/
| lights0123 wrote:
| GNOME has Ctrl+period.
| dorfsmay wrote:
| It doesn't do anything for me. Can you point to a doc?
| lbhdc wrote:
| Does it? I am in stock gnome and this shortcut isn't
| bound by default. What distro are you using?
| dcminter wrote:
| I believe it has to be a GTK app - which almost none of
| the things I use on a daily basis are. Try in gedit or
| something like that.
|
| My daily drivers are IntelliJ, Firefox, Chrome, and
| Terminator so it's not super useful to me... :'(
| lbhdc wrote:
| Oh wow, you are totally right, that does work in GTK
| apps. My daily drivers are about the same :(
| lobstrosity420 wrote:
| Check out this extension:
| https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1162/emoji-
| selector/
|
| It implements a system level emoji keyboard that you can
| trigger with <Super + e>. It works pretty great and on
| all apps, I use it a lot.
| thesuitonym wrote:
| KDE has one, too. Not sure what the default was, I
| remapped it to Super+Period
| gerdesj wrote:
| I use KDE and I've never tried it before. Win+. works!
| gnull wrote:
| I use Compose key for this, surprised nobody mentioned it
| here yet. This way it works in all X11 apps (Sway supports
| this out of the box as well), with no need for extra
| software or some specific desktop environment.
|
| Just put something like <Multi_key>
| <semicolon> <parenright> : "" <Multi_key> <t> <u>
| : "" <Multi_key> <t> <d> : ""
|
| in your ~/.XCompose.
|
| Yes, you have to put all the emojis you want there
| manually, but I use very few of them so it works for me.
|
| EDIT: HN removed the emojis from my snippet. The double
| quotes there contained smiling face, thumb up, and thumb
| down.
| boogies wrote:
| My n00buntu derivative has some emojis and other
| logograms out of the box, eg. lines 326-337 of
| /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose:
| <Multi_key> <C> <C> <C> <P> : "" U262D #
| HAMMER AND SICKLE <Multi_key> <O> <A>
| : "a" U24B6 # CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A
| <Multi_key> <less> <3> : "" U2665 #
| BLACK HEART SUIT <Multi_key> <colon>
| <parenright> : "" U263A # WHITE SMILING FACE
| <Multi_key> <colon> <parenleft> : "" U2639 #
| WHITE FROWNING FACE <Multi_key> <backslash> <o>
| <slash> : "" # PERSON RAISING BOTH HANDS IN
| CELEBRATION <Multi_key> <p> <o> <o>
| : "" U1F4A9 # PILE OF POO <Multi_key> <F>
| <U> : "" U1F595 # REVERSED HAND WITH
| MIDDLE FINGER EXTENDED <Multi_key> <L> <L> <A> <P>
| : "" U1F596 # RAISED HAND WITH PART BETWEEN MIDDLE AND
| RING FINGERS
|
| Unbutchered: http://ix.io/2SsC
| tux3 wrote:
| Oh, those are in Debian, as a matter of fact!
| bmn__ wrote:
| https://github.com/kragen/XCompose for those who prefer a
| more methodical approach.
| sphaerophoria wrote:
| There's also https://github.com/salty-horse/ibus-uniemoji
| if you want something a little more interactive.
|
| I wrote https://github.com/sphaerophoria/ibus-memebox for
| myself because I wasn't quite happy with the performance of
| any of the solutions I found.
| t0mas88 wrote:
| There is an actual emoji button on new dell keyboards as well
| as a lock button. Not just a repurposed FN key but really a
| separate key with a smiley on it and one with a lock next to
| it. Both work without extra drivers in Windows 10.
| jraph wrote:
| Do you know if this key produces the regular shortcut for
| invoking the emoji input method in Windows, or if it has
| its own key code?
| t0mas88 wrote:
| Not sure. And I only know how to figure that out in Linux
| but it's my windows work computer. Is there a windows
| method to see what key code the keyboard is sending?
| username3 wrote:
| Win+Period or Win+Semicolon
| TeMPOraL wrote:
| If your Windows isn't updated enough, grab AutoHotkey[0], and
| try this: [1]. It's a little "emoji keyboard" I wrote a few
| years ago, to insert most important emojis into team
| conversations. Globally binds itself to F2, and it's
| ergonomic. You press F2, then number, then CTRL+V (that last
| step could be automated too).
|
| The script is easy to extend with new emojis, and also
| supports selecting alternatives based on which program you
| had focus on when invoking the keyboard - you can see it
| using Skype-specific notation for Skype.
|
| --
|
| [0] - https://www.autohotkey.com/ - it's the keyboard
| rebinding / advanced automation platform for Windows.
| Literally the first thing I install on a new Windows machine
| (mostly for rebinding Caps Lock to Ctrl).
|
| [1] - https://gist.github.com/TeMPOraL/d330edccf8ba9a2b13d01b
| 4e7f1...
| russfink wrote:
| Brilliant!
| dmingod666 wrote:
| Very well written.
|
| Bill burr on his podcast was talking about, when he first
| discovered reddit. He couldn't understand what it was... He
| then realized later.. "it's a site for people that really like
| to type.. that's what it is.."
| danaliv wrote:
| I like to think of Wikipedia as a site for people who like to
| correct other people.
| scrozier wrote:
| Oh, that cuts to the quick.
| giantrobot wrote:
| "Well actually..." given form.
| 29083011397778 wrote:
| I'd never actually tried to describe Reddit so
| succinctly; in the same vein as yours, maybe Reddit is
| just Jeopardy where every comment must be in the form of
| a correction.
|
| Perfectly accurate or not, I think the venn-diagram of
| "People unlikely to already know what Reddit is" overlaps
| heavily with "People who know and understand what
| Jeopardy is", making it an excellent analogy :)
| ddingus wrote:
| This is brutal, and potent. Nicely done.
| anderspitman wrote:
| One of my favorite reddit shower thoughts:
|
| "Wikipedia built the biggest modern information hub using
| nothing but nerds' need to correct each other."
| danaliv wrote:
| It's really quite astonishing how powerful a force that
| is, and how well Wikipedia channels it toward something
| good!
| gottavomment wrote:
| This is art. I worked as a cashier for a couple years, and this
| feels like a fever dream about those days.
| ethbr0 wrote:
| Sample size dichotomy.
|
| From a customer's perspective, this is the way everyone does
| things. (Sample size: themselves)
|
| From a cashier's perspective, this weirdo is a few standard
| deviations outside the mean. (Sample size: 1,000+ customers)
| juliend2 wrote:
| There should be a museum for those kinds of HN thread comments.
|
| This kind of prose is truly hilarious.
|
| Thank you.
| vlunkr wrote:
| Come to HN for the news, stay for the short fiction. Well done.
| fennecfoxen wrote:
| right, okay, robert@xn--ds8h.kz, got it. thanks, Punycode!
| duiker101 wrote:
| I use an email address that ends in .io and the amount of
| people that still ask me ".io? are you sure that's correct?"
| never ceases to amaze me.
| thesuitonym wrote:
| I use hello@firstmiddlelast.com
|
| I also have firstmiddlelast@gmail.com, and about half the
| time I tell someone my email address, the send it to the
| gmail one.
| joshstrange wrote:
| I use first@firstlast.com and wasn't able to get the
| firstlast@gmail.com so I guess I'm just hoping I'm getting
| all my email. I will say that having my name be my email
| makes life /so much/ easier. Especially over the phone,
| "Yes, my email is first@firstlast.com, just like the name I
| just told you and/or is already on your screen when you
| pulled up my account".
| davchana wrote:
| For me, they send emails at mydomain.com@gmail.com
| thesuitonym wrote:
| Ah jeez, maybe they do that to me, too, and I just don't
| know it?
| davchana wrote:
| I know because I registered an actual
| mydomain.com@gmail.com name too.
| MrsPeaches wrote:
| Just FYI, .io is the TLD for the British Indian Ocean
| Territory, which has a less than savoury history.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian_Ocean_Territory
| swilliamsio wrote:
| Please don't tell me there exists genuine attempts to
| "cancel" the .io domain.
| MrsPeaches wrote:
| Sorry maybe I missed the memo, but is this how things get
| "cancelled"?
|
| I was just pointing out that the domain is tied to a sad
| history.
|
| At no point do I advocate for/against using it, nor did I
| pass any judgment on people who choose to use it.
|
| The only opinion expressed in my comments is that the way
| the British and American governments have behaved is bad.
| If you take issue with that, let's discuss but please
| don't put words in my mouth.
| Miraste wrote:
| > is this how things get "cancelled"
|
| Yes, associating tangentially-related controversies with
| previously innocuous topics is how things get canceled.
| Bringing up topics like this on a post about emoji emails
| implies that you want the conversation to flow in a
| certain direction; that's how conversation works. It's
| only missing Twitter and the word "problematic."
| lupire wrote:
| Are you cancelling free speech?
| belval wrote:
| Owning a .io domain is taking part directly in the
| enslaving and poisoning of the island's native /s
| mynameisvlad wrote:
| Not everything has to be "cancelled" but if you are
| buying a domain, you should probably inform yourselves of
| what that TLD represents since people you're
| communicating with might and might not look too favorably
| on its use.
| imwillofficial wrote:
| Yeah, .io represents "Input/Output" as much as .net
| represents "Network"
|
| Domains often have little connection to their intended
| meaning.
| mynameisvlad wrote:
| Let's say you're running a startup and decided to be hip
| and get an io domain. You reach out to a potential major
| client who happens to be of Chagossian descent.
|
| They probably wouldn't care for your interpretation of
| the domain, they just see you supporting the people who
| relocated their entire group of people from their native
| homeland.
|
| So, yes, you should be well aware of what the io domain
| represents and who you're supporting when buying one.
| Because it might bite you in the ass down the line and
| could have easily been avoided by just getting a
| different one without a storied past.
|
| No "cancelling" going on, but just like a lot of other
| things, it's a risk that should be taken into account.
| gadders wrote:
| Mine ends in .by as my surname does as well and people still
| say "Is that it?"
|
| EG if my surname was "Gummersby" my email domain is
| "Gummers.by"
| lorenzhs wrote:
| If your surname contains an "a", say Gaddersby, you could
| also do "g@dders.by" to confuse people even more
| codethief wrote:
| Try spelling that, though. :)
| maratc wrote:
| I have purchased some domains for myself and my friends
| based on that rule, like rubinste.in, fedorovi.ch, or
| oba.ma (not real names). They thought it's cute but didn't
| hold them for long.
|
| A friend with a last name that ends in ..skova wasn't so
| lucky as Vatican doesn't sell domain names.
| Semaphor wrote:
| My domain ends in .me which according to Aliexpress is not
| real. So instead of me having to manually unsubscribe, they
| got sent to the huge spam box that is gmail.
| davchana wrote:
| My domain ending in .in is not supported by Discover Bank
| because it can be used only "in" India.
| ymolodtsov wrote:
| A ton of services kindly ask me if my personal domain on
| .me TLD is correct one, but at least they don't block me
| from using it.
| alasdair_ wrote:
| Which reminds me, I used to use me@myname.com but gmail's
| UI gets weird when viewing emails from me as it uses "me"
| to indicate the owner of the gmail account.
| tadzik_ wrote:
| Hell, booking.com will even tell you that "your address looks
| incorrect" (sometimes, I got it once out of two bookings made
| on a single day), if you dare to use your own domain .com.
| They used to nag me about "ohh, are you sure it's not
| tadzik_@gmail.com"? And I'm not sure what's worse.
| tyingq wrote:
| It does work well. I used a customized version of
| https://github.com/mailcheck/mailcheck on an ecomm website
| and the amount of bounces due to typos went way down.
|
| It is important to tune it a bit based on what you see
| after installing it to reduce the amount of bad
| suggestions.
| fennecfoxen wrote:
| You got nothing on my firstname@lastname.technology email.
|
| Can't register at half the sites, and if you can register
| sometimes you can't log in. Banana Republic, in particular,
| lets me log in through one login flow, but not the one
| that's integrated into the checkout process.
| Ductapemaster wrote:
| Ah! What a coincidence -- I registered my Banana Republic
| account with a gmail "+" email (eg,
| my_email+bananarepublic@gmail.com) as is my standard
| practice with retail accounts, and I have the same login
| issues. It's quite odd, but I'm glad it's not just me!
| davchana wrote:
| Wallethub let me register email+wh@gmail.com but did not
| allow + sign in login. Cant signup again with
| email@gmail.com Had to ask support to fix that.
| [deleted]
| samanator wrote:
| tsdyq gmvr th!
| dkdbejwi383 wrote:
| Same using me@domain.cricket or similar. "Do you mean
| me@domain.com?"
| hc-taway wrote:
| If they're just warning but letting you proceed, that's
| fine. They do that because they see looooots of people
| screwing up their own email addresses in a few common ways.
| Run any email signup with a general audience and any kind
| of volume and you'll end up doing the same, to reduce the
| load on support.
| walrus01 wrote:
| My spouse, who does not work in an IT/software related field,
| has an email address that is firstname@lastname.com and quite
| a large number of people refuse to believe that such a thing
| is possible. There has been more than one instance where some
| person treated them as if they were so clueless that they
| didn't know how to properly format an email address.
| mywacaday wrote:
| Try using a .Irish domain
| dkdbejwi383 wrote:
| Mine is my name, like john@jsmith.com. The number of people
| who exclaim "I've never heard that one before!" surprises me.
| Obviously other people don't use it, because it's my name.
| mihaaly wrote:
| ok, ok, but is that really correct?! ;)
| Jonovono wrote:
| Mine ends in .sexy, the looks I get are even better than when
| I used my .io one ;p and then if they follow up for my phone
| number it gets even better when I tell them as it ends in
| 6969.
| archon810 wrote:
| Is it by chance 420-6969?
| Jonovono wrote:
| I wish, but that is now my goal to find that number!
| https://howlett.sexy/ its over on here if you want to see
| ;p
| lupire wrote:
| Your web page font is unreadably thin.
| capableweb wrote:
| Yeah. Try using wildcard email accounts together with a
| uncommon TLD, and people ask me if I work at their place all
| the time.
|
| Last time I booked a car at Hertz:
|
| > Me: My email is hertz@capableweb.work
|
| > Agent: Woah, you work here at Hertz? That's so cool
|
| > Me: sure, can you remind me of the employee discount again?
|
| So many email validations fail with a uncommon gTLD that I
| started switching everything to a .com domain instead.
| Sometimes I even get rejected when my email address contains
| the company name... "Sorry, your email seems invalid" is all
| I get, but changing one letter of the company name makes it
| pass the validation...
| wcfields wrote:
| From doing agency/marketing work for numerous large corps,
| I can tell you that many have a straight up block on
| _corpname_ on any email name or domain to prevent phishing.
| hamburglar wrote:
| Yes, I recently got a new chromecast, which now requires
| a google account to set up via the google home app. I
| knew I was never going to use this single-purpose account
| for anything real so I decided to make the name very
| descriptive and tried to put "googlehome" in the
| identifier but google would not let me get away with the
| string "google" anywhere in it. Ended up with
| "GewgleHome."
| lupire wrote:
| I've never seen that and I have dozens of
| company@me.example emails signed up.
| hinkley wrote:
| On just meeting a girl in school whose last name was the
| first name of a lead actor in a popular TV show, I started
| blurting out "Are you related to X" and my brain was
| already sending X to my mouth before I realized no, stupid,
| that's not how names work.
|
| Turns out she's a nice girl, and she answered happily, "no,
| but that would be cool". I smiled back while I died a
| little inside.
|
| It's always possible the person figures out this is not
| right before they get to the juicy bit. But I've been wrong
| before.
| toast0 wrote:
| My spouse got that a lot growing up, sadly she now
| sometimes gets another one since she took my last name.
| Thankfully the new actor is not very relevant anymore so
| it doesn't happen often.
| codethief wrote:
| Aw man, this _exact_ situation happened to me last time I
| rented a car with Sixt. I wish I had thought of this genius
| line of yours,
|
| > Me: sure, can you remind me of the employee discount
| again?
|
| Sooo... did it work?
| Theory5 wrote:
| As a security person its hard as heck training (some of)
| our users to understand how basic domain formats work. We
| use a phishing simulation service, and outside of certain
| content,putting part or all of our company name in the
| domain but adding other words/underscores/etc is what
| tricks a lot of people. I tend to explain how it works in a
| basic format, and often you can see the light bulb go off
| when I point out how a subdomain works and why an
| underscore or dash creates a whole new domain anybody can
| register while a subdomain is something our company can
| only create/use (mind you, I'm not going to confuse them by
| explaining how this can be abused, these people i talk to
| about this are having enough trouble grasping the basics).
| DavidAdams wrote:
| I registered .com domains with my kids' names when they
| were born, and when one of them discovered that they
| could get the email address gmail@hisname.com he was
| stoked. His friends don't understand how it's possible
| for that email address to work. As a practical joke, he
| always says "what do you mean? Doesn't gmail@yourname.com
| not work too?"
| cmehdy wrote:
| This stuff is not really well made for normal people, to
| be honest. Just look at all the discussions and troubles
| (tickets, misunderstandings, security risks) related to
| email and hyperlink parsers..
|
| It took me a while to know that FQDNs can (and sometimest
| must?) start at root with a period, meaning every address
| you've ever typed could have finished with a period
| (news.ycombinator.com.) and I recall some newspaper (NYT?
| News Yorker?) failing to test for that when people want
| to bypass their paywall. And this is a valid email
| address apparently: #!$%&'*+-/=?^_`{}|~@example.com
|
| RFCs/codified norms by tech people are just weird to
| normal people.
| chaos_a wrote:
| This root period was mentioned on reddit a while ago
| because the domain "youtube.com." would fail to serve
| ads.
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/gzr3cq/fyi_you_c
| an_...
| usmannk wrote:
| > I recall some newspaper (NYT? News Yorker?) failing to
| test for that when people want to bypass their paywall.
|
| For a long time I could access Bloomberg for free because
| they failed open when you did this
| ableal wrote:
| Please stop downvoting this. If not an unpleasant truth,
| it's at least a widely held perception, which must have a
| reason. (And I suspect that reason is because it's true
| ...)
|
| > this is a valid email address apparently:
| #!$%&'*+-/=?^_`{}|~@example.com
|
| If so, that's actually the same as #!$%&'*@example.com
| (mail user 'foo+bar' is the same as 'foo'). Many
| webforms/DBs don't know that.
| scubbo wrote:
| > If so, that's actually the same as #!$%&'*@example.com
| (mail user 'foo+bar' is the same as 'foo'). Many
| webforms/DBs don't know that.
|
| Actually, no. To the best of my knowledge (and I'd be
| delighted to be corrected!), that's merely a convention
| that lots of providers (including GMail) conform to, but
| it's not part of the RFC or standards.
|
| Don't get me wrong - it irritates me when that very-
| common behaviour isn't supported (and, at the very least,
| `+` shouldn't be considered an illegal character). But
| it's also technically-not-wrong to consider
| `a+1@test.com` as different from `a@test.com`.
| umanwizard wrote:
| You are right. In fact, RFC 5321 specifically forbids you
| from interpreting the local part of an address in any
| way.
|
| > the local-part MUST be interpreted and assigned
| semantics only by the host specified in the domain part
| of the address.
| scubbo wrote:
| See your sibling comment for another perspective! (EDIT:
| which, to be clear, doesn't invalidate your point. Though
| it's worth considering, I guess, whether "only assigned
| semantics by the host specified in the domain" prevents
| user-tracking systems from calling "foo+bar@gmail.com"
| the same user as "foo@gmail.com". After all - if they're
| being interpreted "as" user IDs, rather than as emails,
| does that really breach the RFC?)
| kevinmgranger wrote:
| It's explicitly called out in RFC5233, at least:
| https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5233
| scubbo wrote:
| TIL, thank you!
| [deleted]
| capableweb wrote:
| As a human who had to describe the internet, computers
| and email addresses to some of our older population, I
| agree, stuff is really hard for newcomers. Most of them
| barely understand the mouse abstraction, so getting them
| to understand some of the finer details of the modern
| computing world is a exercise in humongous patience.
| spoonjim wrote:
| Be careful using illegitimate car rental codes. Sometimes
| they look so cheap because they cancel a lot of your
| insurances, because your employer carries those insurances
| itself. So if you crash or the car is damaged, the clerk
| says, "Don't worry Hertz Corporate will pick that up" but
| of course when they discover you are not an employee they
| will not.
| lupire wrote:
| No one wants car rental insurance anyway.
|
| Especially not Hertz, who doesn't honor claims anyway and
| is thankfully bankrupt.
| spoonjim wrote:
| I fucked up a truck and they covered it without
| questions, I guess their customer experience was highly
| variable.
| capableweb wrote:
| I'm sorry, did you reply to the wrong comment? I'm trying
| to understand where "illegitimate car rental codes" comes
| from here, as I never mentioned that or anything related
| to it.
|
| I agree with you, just trying to understand how it's
| connected to what I wrote initially.
| AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote:
| They are referencing the line about the employee
| discount.
| spoonjim wrote:
| If you use a discount code, say the Boeing discount code
| when you rent at Seattle Airport, Hertz will cancel any
| insurance off the price because Boeing covers those risks
| itself for its employees. But, if you're not a Boeing
| employee and you crash, you're not insured by Boeing and
| you're not insured by Hertz.
| prostanac wrote:
| They are talking about this line:
|
| > Me: sure, can you remind me of the employee discount
| again?
|
| Which suggests that you would/did ask for (an employee)
| discount code when renting from that company.
| vultour wrote:
| My favourite is when the validation rejects anything with
| the service name in the email. I wonder whether it's to
| prevent somebody registering <anything>@<service> as a
| joke, or a really bad attempt at preventing
| <service>@mailinator.
| shakna wrote:
| It's because it is a common spam action to use
| <site>@<free_email> when blasting out stuff. It's also
| common to try and use <something>@<site> in either/or the
| to/reply-to fields for spambots.
|
| So, it is easier to blacklist it altogether.
| fencepost wrote:
| Well that would have caused me problems when Oracle
| started requiring registration for some form of Java
| downloads.
|
| They haven't spammed that though, I don't think I've ever
| received any actual email to the "oracleblowsgoats"
| address. Probably keeps any sales droids from even
| bothering with me as well.
| athenot wrote:
| Same experience, though I never tried to get a discount out
| of it.
| capableweb wrote:
| In that case she tried to apply the discount via my email
| or something like that, but she said it failed. I blamed
| on it that I was a new employee and I'm a rush, so
| nevermind, let's proceed normally.
|
| I'm not sure I would actually accept it if it went
| through, but I'm always curious to see if it works
| sometime.
| jguimont wrote:
| Sometimes it is better not to be too clever. I built a CRM
| like app for the construction industry and used
| "inc.construction" and "inc.services" as the app domain. So
| customer would have
|
| <business-name>.inc.construction
|
| I thought it was clever, but people do not understand them.
| Everything is .com in their mind.
| vmception wrote:
| Its 2021 and I am just finding people that treat .co emails
| as normal and don't mentally overwrite that as .com and
| create a typo
|
| For services that actually require correspondence, I register
| the cool fun tld and a seperate .com for email
|
| This also lets mailing lists het marked as spam without
| harming the deliverability of the other
| criddell wrote:
| My domain has a hyphen in it and I find places that reject it
| all the time.
| hbosch wrote:
| I have a very short .co - gets 'em every time.
| mikey_p wrote:
| I have a simple email address:
|
| firstname @ (nickname for firstname) + (last initial) .net
|
| And it's amazing how hard it is to explain this to people
| over the phone or in store for email receipts, etc.
|
| I'm shocked how few folks seems to be vaguely aware that .net
| as TLD exists even though it's one of the original TLDs from
| when they were first created:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.net
| bionade24 wrote:
| Besides lots of other adresses i have forname @ forname-
| surname .de as an adress easy to understand. I totally
| understand your problems, I have this even with people who
| already have forename and surname on their screens, it's
| ridiculous.
| dkdbejwi383 wrote:
| Yes, I just posted something similar. My domain is initial
| + surname, and the most common response I get when giving
| my email is that the person hasn't heard of "that one"
| before.
|
| To make matters worse, I chose a slightly uncommon tld.
| tijuco2 wrote:
| "The next step was to convince someone else to buy an emoji email
| address. TikTok seemed like a good place to start given its
| demographic" that's accurate haha
| Paradigm2020 wrote:
| Read the full article and watched your amazing trailer :) but
| loved the last line and fully agreed:
|
| "But they're fun, and I think tech should be more fun."
|
| Right on man !!! Applause.
|
| Added to personal wish list when I'm not sinking all my money in
| domain names & startup :).
| matsemann wrote:
| Why so fixating on buying google.<tld>, netflix.<tld>,
| facebook.<tld> etc? The fact that one of those might be available
| does not make them valuable at all.
| macksd wrote:
| You can resell it to another speculator. Which I don't like,
| but isn't so different from a cryptocurrency that is never
| actually used for trade.
| goldcd wrote:
| Just wanted to say I enjoyed that story - whimsical little tech
| project, written up in an entertaining and informative manner.
|
| Not that I dislike more serious stories, but nice to have a mix.
| ghoomketu wrote:
| This guy seems crazy about registering weird domain names.
| netflix.soy, google(.hebrew).. good to see him making his money
| back and kudos for doing the jokes so thouroghly.
|
| I too have such crazy stupid ideas all the time, but it's one
| thing to think about it and another to actually finish it and
| start marketing it with videos on producthunt and tiktok.
| altgans wrote:
| Why stop at emojis? Why use the aubergine emoji when you can
| instead use ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs[1]? There is even an
| anti-aubergine [2]!
|
| In my opinion there is an untapped marked here. And it also is a
| "full circle" moment - i bet in the next millennium emojis will
| also be counted as hieroglyphs.
|
| 1: https://unicode-table.com/en/130BA/
|
| 2: https://unicode-table.com/en/130B9/
| _jal wrote:
| Heavy use of emoji is a great way to make me stop reading. I
| don't parse images super well - icon buttons in applications
| slow me down a lot, too.
|
| Mentally trying to reconstruct meaning from icons might be a
| fun recreation, but it is a high-load, annoying waste of time
| for me when we just need to convey some info. Use your words,
| or I'm likely to check out at some point.
| hedora wrote:
| Try explaining how to type "Bob@naughty-croquet-hieroglyph.kz"
| in mixed company.
| runnr_az wrote:
| I built a site for that:
| https://weirdonecharacterdomainsuperstore.com
| sabertoothed wrote:
| On my machine (Ubuntu, Chrome), every special character is
| literally just a rectangle. Makes the website look a bit less
| interesting that way ;) I am not techie enough to be able to
| fix the view at my end.
| cptwunderlich wrote:
| Uff, ph is all sold out :smh:
| ing33k wrote:
| Borat would say "very nice"
| koboll wrote:
| I'm kinda disappointed that I can't register an emoji handle. No
| diamond at hands dot kz for me, I suppose.
| Zelphyr wrote:
| This was such a fun read. It inspired me to buy http://xn--
| vn8hkk.ws/
|
| Edit 1: TIL Hacker News doesn't support emoji. lol
|
| Edit 2: Yeah, I know; that's a cow, not a bull. Don't yuck my
| yum!
| rendall wrote:
| I went to [lightbulb-emoji].kz and it transformed to http://xn--
| ds8h.kz
| nancy99 wrote:
| That is to prevent phishing with latin characters that look
| identical to normal ones.
| Biganon wrote:
| That's punycode. Your browser is configured to display
| everything as ascii, using the punycode "transcoding". It's a
| good practice, see the binance hack that used binance.com with
| a tiny diacritic on one of the letters, that lead to a huge
| phishing attack.
| blfr wrote:
| The real scoop is Netflix.soy. Excellent.
|
| https://tinyprojects.dev/posts/i_bought_netflix_dot_soy
| leokennis wrote:
| Registered an e-mail address. I'll probably only use it to mildly
| impress some people and it's entirely possible it will stop
| working within the year.
|
| Then again, it's $9.99...
| qwerty456127 wrote:
| Borat would be proud of you.
| plumeria wrote:
| Ironically, you cannot use emojis for the username (e.g.
| :crab:@:crab: )
| aaron_oxenrider wrote:
| I found this strange too. I wonder if there is some other
| technical reason or just somehow didn't think of this in the
| validation?
| simias wrote:
| I'm genuinely impressed by the author's willingness to come up
| with such a silly idea, go through with it, implement a
| completely barebones website that won't even let you send emails
| from the addresses and starts selling subscriptions for $10/year.
|
| I'm not being snarky, I'm genuinely impressed. If it were me I'd
| spend 2 years mulling about it and never actually do it because
| I'd be worried about not managing to make it work correctly.
| rhythmofrest wrote:
| I'll take "things you can do when you're single"... can't quite
| imagine sidling up to significant other with the gambit
| "Darling, would you mind terribly if I spent PS1000 on
| Kazakhstani emoji domains?"
| tener wrote:
| I guess software dev can afford to blow 1000$/year on silly
| side projects. Especially seeing how he got back significant
| portion of his expenditure. Being single or not has nothing
| to do with that? It sure seems fair to agree on spending
| policy with your significant other beforehand, but other than
| that...
| tenacious_tuna wrote:
| I've come to believe that there's a certain amount of
| insanity required to be a great entrepreneur. Like Jobs or
| Musk--their personal qualities aside, they both had arguably
| legitimately insane visions that they refused to let people
| talk them out of.
|
| The side effect is they're also crazy in other ways (Musk-
| time and the billionaire-playboy-cyrptocoin-gambler being
| easy examples), but I think it really does take someone who
| operates with a totally different set of constraints on the
| world to pull Really Cool Stuff off. Like reusable rockets.
| Or electric performance cars. Or an incredibly versatile
| computer that fits in your pocket (while also giving the
| middle finger to Flash, the incumbent web media tech at the
| time).
| hilbertseries wrote:
| Steve Job didn't invent the smartphone and Elon Musk didn't
| invent the electric car, they did both make those things
| cool.
|
| Steve Jobs also had a treatable form of pancreatic cancer
| and died from it, because he refused traditional medicine.
|
| You can point to countless inventions and advances in
| humanity that are not due to crazy asshole geniuses. What
| happens to people is that the better you are at something,
| the more willing they are to forgive your flaws. This
| allows those flaws to grow and grow, to the point where
| you're accusing random people that insult you of being
| pedophiles. But these flaws are not a requisite part of
| being driven and not giving up.
| satellite2 wrote:
| Classic correlation / causation bias
| baybal2 wrote:
| There are way more insane people in mental institutions
| than insane billionaires.
| [deleted]
| tiborsaas wrote:
| A common wallet with a SO freaks me out :)
| sangnoir wrote:
| You don't have to go all-in, but a common wallet is very
| useful as a wash account for _common expenses._
|
| Having an account just for expenses, with no overdraft,
| that's usually at $0.00 balance is useful for other
| purposes too (ACH pull is dangerous! Especially when
| everyone who has _ever_ looked at your check can do it)
| ALittleLight wrote:
| I feel like he could've got it going with 5 or 10 emoji and
| spent a lot less. Also impressed with his commercial.
| simias wrote:
| I thought about that but I think the main advantage of
| doing it this way is to corner the market somewhat. You get
| all the "good" ones and make it harder for anybody to clone
| your idea.
| Grakel wrote:
| I'll never understand this, but I see it all the time. People
| should have shared money, and they should also have their own
| money. Does my wife like it when I buy myself expensive toys?
| I have no idea, it's irrelevant unless I stop covering the
| bills.
| _AzMoo wrote:
| When your family has limited resources and needs to
| prioritise it's frustrating when somebody chooses to use
| those resources on frivolity.
| konschubert wrote:
| You can still have personal budgets, even if they are
| very small. Heck, when things are tight, even having 10
| Euro personal "fun money" a month for each partner can
| give a bit of freedom.
| satellite2 wrote:
| Freedom
|
| 10EUR
| konschubert wrote:
| GP mentioned a situation where money is tight.
|
| I'm glad you've never been in a place where 10 Euro fun
| money felt like a bit of a luxury.
| tikhonj wrote:
| I've never been that poor, but I've had limited funds in
| the past, and I can say that having even a small amount
| of money that you're psychologically comfortable spending
| on _anything_ is a massive relief. Sometimes the best
| thing you can do in a situation largely out of your
| control is to consciously take back _any_ amount of
| control you can, even if it ends up being more symbolic
| than anything.
| _AzMoo wrote:
| For sure, but the original article and the comment I
| replied to are talking about relatively expensive spends.
| asciimov wrote:
| It's for family budgeting and trust. We generally
| ask/inform if we are going to spend more than $100 on any
| given project/item. This helps both of us realize if it's a
| need or want. That way if I mention I'm going to get a new
| video game, I'll be stopped if its the third one in a
| month. Or if she wants new luggage, is it because it is
| needed or is it desired because it's a new color that is
| available.
|
| You might make enough money to not really need this kind of
| consent. That's great if you do. For us, it is just a small
| check to help us get to our goals.
| bcrosby95 wrote:
| Bills. And retirement savings. And college savings for the
| kids. Oh yeah, saving for the new stove.
|
| I give myself $50/mo to spend on whatever I want. Anything
| else I mention it to my wife. Oh, and if it takes space in
| the house I mention it too.
| rileytg wrote:
| It's a time thing also "Sweetie, I don't want to go to your
| parents for dinner b/c I'm building <insert silly fun project
| here>"
| atleta wrote:
| But why would you do that? I mean if that's you money, why
| would you ask your partner? I'm pretty frugal, don't spend on
| stupid things easily (well, things that _I_ find stupid, at
| least), but if I had a business idea or even a fun project I
| don 't think I'd need permission from my partner to spend _my
| own money_ on it. Discussing it is a different story, of
| course.
| coolspot wrote:
| Maybe in a "partnership" you don't need to ask a "partner".
|
| But in marriage you don't have "your money" - you are both
| on the same team, so all money are shared. If you spend
| $1000 on something random, that sets your team, your
| family, back of its common goals - house down payment,
| vacation, etc.
| konschubert wrote:
| Agreed. But as somebody mentioned above: It's good to
| maintain a (small) personal budget for each partner that
| they can spend as they please.
| simonbw wrote:
| I think it's pretty common that when people get married it
| becomes _our_ money instead of _my_ and _your_ money.
| lupire wrote:
| And _we_ can buy emoji domain names.
| alexchamberlain wrote:
| It's a matter of trust; my wife and I don't sweat the small
| stuff, but if we're spending more than PS100 on something,
| we'll probably discuss it first - that doesn't mean she
| gets to say no to the top of the range MacBook Pro, just
| that she knows what's going on.
| vz8 wrote:
| I keep expecting this to tie back to a Borat sequel.
| ljm wrote:
| On the one hand, I'm single and if I wanted to I could also
| blow a few grand on emoji domains for an experiment, then I
| could. On the other, I'd be taking a few grand from my
| mortgage deposit.
|
| This isn't about relationship status, the author of this post
| just has money to burn.
|
| And even if the author expected to get their money back
| through paid sales...they're on the hook for those accounts
| now unless he personally writes it off.
| throwaway_kufu wrote:
| I started registering some emoji domains on Ethereum Name
| Service, not to be a total squatter I'm building static sites and
| deploying them on IPFS...it's fun but expensive so hopefully NFT
| dWeb/web3 domains turn out to have cryptoart value. The use case
| mostly seems to be a novelty wallet address but I'm going full
| blown GeoCities with building decentralized websites. I even
| built a NFT search engine deployed on IPFS at geocities.eth
|
| The emoji domains are cool in theory but there are issues to say
| the least. Many services asking for your domain name don't
| recognize the emoji character (google programmable search engine,
| fleek, github, etc...). I did manage to "hack" the system a
| little and register a single character emoji domain ( .eth)
| because it renders as 3 characters.
| dmitrygr wrote:
| > It was slightly painful watching my bank account going down,
| and the number of emoji domains go up.
|
| And this is why they are "all taken" on all other domains...
| EugeneOZ wrote:
| > and yes, most form validations hate them.
|
| Big mistake of these forms. Sometimes people are enormously
| resistant to following the specifications.
| flal_ wrote:
| I used to have an email address at university along the line of
| "f.d'a@university.edu". I couldn't make use of it, because no-
| one believed it was a valid address even though it is allowed
| by the goddam RFC. turns out you could put a lot of funky stuff
| in the local part of an email, spaces ? yep.
| https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3696#page-5
| sybercecurity wrote:
| always relevant: "So you think you can validate email
| addresses": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxX81WmXjPg
|
| Which is also why proposals to put email certs (S/MIME,
| OpenPGP) in the DNS led to hashing the local part, as DNS
| only allows ASCII and is case insensitive.
| Biganon wrote:
| Pretty stupid of your university to give you this address.
| Sure it's technically valid, but they know perfectly well it
| will be refused almost everywhere, and even when not
| explicitly refused, it will cause bugs. Being technically
| correct is useless if you're the only one doing it.
| flal_ wrote:
| Yes, it was I guess that was a bug I'm the student name to
| email generator. They quickly provided me a convenient
| alias but I was still able to receive mail at the address
| with the apostrophe, and it was cool. Having an apostrophe
| in my name still triggers a surprising numbers of bugs to
| this day...
| ape4 wrote:
| Why can't you pick an emoji as username
| CyanDeparture wrote:
| I will never use this, but I'm delighted it exsits.
| petercooper wrote:
| There's a big downside to using .kz in that the registry has a
| policy (as per https://nic.kz/rules/) that .kz hostnames must
| relate to "Internet resources" located on hardware and software
| located within the territory of Kazakhstan.
|
| I think the OP is OK as it appears the IP addresses of both the A
| and MX records are located within Kazakhstan, but something to be
| aware of if you think registering a .kz is a fun idea(!) :-)
| Theory5 wrote:
| I learned some countries have things like this after an article
| last month where someone traced an IP range used by palor or
| another organization like that to a country with similar rules,
| and filed a complaint with the company that leased it, who
| revoked the range. (Going from memory here, sorry if I'm
| getting things wrong).
|
| Especially given Ive heard some of these TLDs are cheaper to
| encourage their use, people who want to run services on these
| should be careful even if enforcement is often lax or
| nonexistent until a complaint is filed.
| pull_my_finger wrote:
| This is something to keep in mind with all TLDs really. They're
| not all created equal and can be subject to rules specific to
| their operators. Have to do your homework before you buy that
| cute domain.
| Cthulhu_ wrote:
| Like how many UK businesses and individuals had to give up
| their .eu domain name after leaving the EU.
| londons_explore wrote:
| I'm really surprised they didn't do the logical thing and
| grandfather all existing domains in when the UK left the
| EU.
|
| It seems like the policy was simply designed to frustrate
| as many people as possible for no real gain for the EU.
| rorykoehler wrote:
| It could be a fraud prevention and accidental legal
| misrepresentation defense mechanism to take away the .eu
| domains from the UK. If you go to a .eu domain and buy
| something you would expect not to be subject to import
| duties etc.
| tialaramex wrote:
| The EU continues to control .eu because it is available
| only to EU citizens. Nothing changed.
|
| Your surprise exactly reflects the typical beliefs of a
| Brexit supporter, you thought the idea is you get to keep
| all the benefits you had before, and also you get rid of
| any downsides you didn't like, and somehow it's the EU's
| job to help you achieve this after you leave.
|
| That didn't make any sense in 2016, and it still didn't
| make any sense in 2020, and so unsurprisingly here we are
| in 2021 and it isn't what happened. "We told you so" is
| boring but it's true. We told you so.
| alibarber wrote:
| The EU domain is available to EU residents and citizens,
| not just citizens. I as a British citizen and EU resident
| am entitled to one (not that I have bothered - someone
| got the one I wanted first :O )
|
| I guess an EU citizen living in the UK could also hold
| them on behalf of UK based UK citizens. Thinking about it
| this situation does seem a little convoluted...
| londons_explore wrote:
| But this policy doesn't make sense for the EU either.
| They lose domain registration revenue. Thousands
| companies migrating to a new domain name will lead to
| confusion for EU citizens too, etc.
|
| It just seems like a case of "we want it to be as painful
| as possible for you, even if we have to take a bit of
| additional pain for us too".
| hedora wrote:
| They maintain sovereignty though. That's more important
| than domain registration revenue.
|
| If I somehow owned tax.gov, and was running a tax prep
| service from it, I doubt the "I'm grandfathered" argument
| would fly.
|
| It's likely similar to lawyers.eu (I made that domain
| up), etc; people should be able to expect that to be an
| EU based service, not something overseas.
| kyawzazaw wrote:
| That revenue is tiny compared to being able to say .eu
| domains for EU orgs and businesses.
| Uberphallus wrote:
| > They lose domain registration revenue.
|
| I think only micronations have a significant revenue
| coming from tlds (e.g. Tuvalu)
| tinco wrote:
| And so it should be. The Brexit should be as painful as
| possible for the UK. The more the UK is reminded of what
| they gave up, and what they will be missing, the better,
| as it positions them better for reentry.
|
| Who cares about domain registration revenue? The only
| reason it isn't free is because of the administrative
| hassle of distributing frivolous domain registrations.
|
| If EU citizens are confused about UK companies
| disappearing, maybe they'll search and be exposed to EU
| competitors, how could that be a bad thing?
| dreadlordbone wrote:
| Who hurt you?
| tinco wrote:
| The British?
| JamesDeepDown wrote:
| Fortunately most institutions of the EU are not as
| absurdly extremist as you are.
| zimpenfish wrote:
| > They lose domain registration revenue.
|
| But in the other scenario, they now have to deal with
| support queries ("why can they have a .eu when I
| can't?"), possibly legal action ("why can they have a .eu
| when I can't?"), etc.
| alwayseasy wrote:
| A British business suing the EU in an EU court about a
| contract that explicitly says for EU members? Wouldn't go
| far.
| rvba wrote:
| The idea is that (at least in theory) when someone has
| the .eu domain, then they are in EU.
|
| There are many ways to skip it, but it blocks at least
| some.
| beowulfey wrote:
| .EU has a functional purpose, and to grandfather in those
| names would lead to disruption of the functional meaning.
|
| Think of it as a UX reason rather than financial.
| rendall wrote:
| Harsh. But fair.
| tshaddox wrote:
| It might make sense for certain Internet resources to be
| made available only to citizens of some political region.
| It might make sense to revoke access to such resources if
| an individual renounced their citizenship or loses it due
| to their own actions (like, say, treason). But it really
| doesn't make much sense that I could lose access to an
| arbitrary Internet resource I legitimately possessed
| because of large-scale political changes unrelated to my
| actions as an individual.
| sigio wrote:
| Just a matter of getting a TTP / Intermediary to hold the
| domain for you in the EU, same as for the local presence
| requirements in for example .no(rway) and many other TLD's.
|
| It's just another $10-20/year and fixes your 'problem'
|
| Many domain registrars will offer this service, as 90+% of
| their clients will need it for these ccTLD's.
| swiley wrote:
| The most fun TLD is .su Someone on IRC managed to register
| "kremvax.su" a few years ago and gave anyone in the channel
| who wanted them email addresses (so I briefly had
| swiley@kremvax.su for example.)
|
| Unfortunately the were asked for some documentation they
| couldn't provide a few months later and it got shut down.
| matsemann wrote:
| Which OP didn't do multiple times and got his purchased
| annulled. But hopefully in the future, heh.
| SavantIdiot wrote:
| Uh oh. How do I find rules for other domains? I went a little
| batty with the .de domain years ago and have quite a few. But,
| I'm not in Germany. While there is a mild ethical cringe at
| doing this, am I running afoul of some rules that might
| actually bite me later?
| taneliv wrote:
| In general, Wikipedia has some starting points for all
| ccTLDs, for example for .de here:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.de
|
| The information on Wikipedia itself is mostly descriptive,
| while the registry website or other external links should
| have the actual rules and restrictions.
| dmitriid wrote:
| > There's a big downside to using .kz in that the registry has
| a policy (as per https://nic.kz/rules/) that .kz hostnames must
| relate to "Internet resources" located on hardware and software
| located within the territory of Kazakhstan.
|
| Any country TLD is a potential risk that most western
| "entrepreneurs" blissfully ignore.
|
| Just a month ago notion.so had troubles with it's domain
| because .so belongs to Somalia, and Somalia changed some rules
| around registration and ownership [1]
|
| The same, really, goes for Tonga's http://dev.to, Libya's
| http://bit.ly or Greenland's http://goo.gl...
|
| [1]
| https://twitter.com/EpsilonTheory/status/1360239738020634629
| worldofmatthew wrote:
| Aka why I mainly stick with .com
| belval wrote:
| The issue it that a lot of .com are taken so for the sake
| of a personal email address it is not ideal.
|
| The person that owns "belval.com" literally registered it
| before I was born so I settled for "belval.org",
| "belval.me", "belv.al" but only the first one is accepted
| by most company.
| vxNsr wrote:
| My last name ends in al but the domain is taken. The .com
| one is taken by a guy who's using it to showcase his
| Holocaust family tree. I tried reaching out to him to see
| if he was interested in taking like .org but he's not :(
| so I got .me
| SavantIdiot wrote:
| All 4-letter .com's were taken as of 2013.
|
| https://whoapi.com/blog/we-are-out-of-4-letter-com-
| domains/
|
| I wonder how long until all 5- and 6- letter are gone.
| davchana wrote:
| Exactly, I too had to use .net & .us, because.com was
| registered in 1995.
| smartbit wrote:
| Some extensions require presence in the EU, eg .eu & .it [0]
|
| IOW not available to citizens or companies in Europe, but not
| member of the EU eg. _Bosnia and Herzegovina_
|
| [0] Who can register a .it domain?
| https://www.nic.it/en/find-your-it/faq
|
| _The registration of a domain name in the ccTLD .it is
| permitted only to persons who have citizenship, residence or
| a registered office in the countries of the European Economic
| Area (EEA), the Vatican, the Republic of San Marino, and
| Switzerland._
| kuschku wrote:
| Although .gl isn't much of a risk, as Google has some
| presence in Denmark and relations to the country.
|
| But you shouldn't use TLDs of countries with which you have
| no affiliation.
| kureikain wrote:
| My hat off to tinyprojects. This is a very cool project and I'm
| so happy to see they wrote this at the end:
|
| > But they're fun, and I think tech should be more fun.
|
| Apparently I run https://hanami.run an email forwarding service
| and I also say that
|
| https://hanami.run/blog/posts/welcome-to-hanami/#the-future
|
| > At the same time, we like to make email more fun. We are
| commited to build tools that help you process email easily. Your
| banks don't have an API to help you build a real-time activity
| tracker? Just use email.
|
| Email can be really fun, especially with webhook. I build
| https://pix.fastloop.xyz where you simply email pix@fastloop.xyz
| a picture to have it show up on the site.
|
| I'm thinking about comment for a static site. Simply send an
| email to a magic address to comment? Similar to news letter?
| Anyone like this idea
| holistio wrote:
| Do you have some protection filters on for
| https://pix.fastloop.xyz?
|
| I cautiously opened the site and was basically prepared to be
| greeted with (child) pornography. How do you prevent that?
| kureikain wrote:
| I rely on email spam filterting, which seems effectively
| filter out them. No sophisicated filtering yet. I didn't
| advertise it anywhere outside of Hacker News and not many
| people know about it yet.
| kwhitefoot wrote:
| It works. But what is it for? How do other people interact with
| it and the images?
|
| I like the commenting idea.
| tzfld wrote:
| >https://pix.fastloop.xyz
|
| Nice but I see some risks there
| (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26357033)
| kureikain wrote:
| wow, thanks so much for that information. I'll have it
| migrate to some different domain.
| kalipso wrote:
| I would recommend advertising that at
| https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/
|
| the people there are f'ing addicted to the rocktes emoji and dont
| care how much to pay to have it appear somewhere
| simias wrote:
| I was actually just thinking that he should probably register
| the [diamond][hands].kk domain, there's got to be some demand
| for it given how much it gets spammed over there.
| magneticnorth wrote:
| Diamond hands appears to be taken everywhere listed by the
| mainstream emoji registration sites, sadly. It was a good
| idea
| rileytg wrote:
| way ahead of you... OP was right, it was a pain to use that
| registrar.
| roozbeh18 wrote:
| hah
| siltpotato wrote:
| I've been seeing more of this title recently and can't suss out
| the pattern. Is this about it?
|
| "I x'd (something ridiculous) [and (more ridiculous)]"
| tener wrote:
| Huh. Neat idea, but why does emoji needs to be a part of the
| domain? <rocket>@emojimail.com would work just fine? Plus, you
| can have mail aliases that way and combine multiple emoji too.
| <rocket><moon>@emojimail.com could be equivalent to
| rocket.moon@emojimail.com for compatibility purposes.
| chias wrote:
| IIRC the email spec requires all characters to be ASCII.
|
| Technically your email address isn't bob@[mailbox].kz, it's
| bob@xn--h78h.kz which your browser and possibly some mail
| clients will render as bob@[mailbox].kz. But xn--
| h78h@emojimail.com will always just display as xn--
| h78h@emojimail.com.
|
| For the domain part, browsers and email providers have
| collectively agreed to render domains of the form
| xn-[stuff]-[stuff].[tld] according to the Punycode
| specification, but no such rendering exists for the username.
| tener wrote:
| The ASCII only restriction feels very artificial. I wouldn't
| be surprised to find some work in progress to lift it.
|
| Edit: yep, there is clearly work in that area and not even
| that recent. Of course support is spotty depending on actual
| software in use. See:
| https://stackoverflow.com/questions/760150/can-an-email-
| addr...
| aequitas wrote:
| Why even bother with registering emoji domains?
|
| Just allow people to register bob.<emoji>@mailoji.com.
|
| TikTok users probably wouldn't care where the emoji was in the
| email address. Most non technical people don't even understand
| email addresses (you work here too? is the most common question I
| get when I tell people my email is
| <theircompanyname>@mydomain.com). Only internet nerds really care
| that the emoji is in the domain name.
| dheera wrote:
| This seems ripe for phishing, similar to @arr[?]e.com (which
| isn't @apple.com -- go ahead and check) and someone actually did
| this once. [0] There are lots of emojis that are hard to tell
| apart from each other.
|
| [0] https://www.xudongz.com/blog/2017/idn-phishing/
| sideproject wrote:
| For anyone who is going down the impulse-buying of many domains
| (me!) and then finding yourself having too many unused domains, I
| created a little tool to make use of those unused domains (and
| maybe even monetize them)
|
| https://www.newsy.co
| weinzierl wrote:
| This is a great fun project but a risky business idea. Only 13
| registrars allow emoji _now_ and one could also say only 13
| _still_ allow them. It is well possible that they will stop
| supporting emoji, like other registrars did in the past.
|
| How do I know? Many years ago happen to own the single unicode
| character domain name that was coincidentally very similar to the
| logo of my website. At some point the registrar informed me that
| my domain will not be allowed by the NICs rules anymore and they
| had to cancel it. Made me a bit sad, but it ever was only a
| novelty anyways.
| blackearl wrote:
| This is hilarious. I just tested it as a subdomain. O365 flatout
| won't let me send to emoji addresses, at least through the
| regular browser UI. Gmail is happy to oblige though
| felixfbecker wrote:
| How does this work? Is it converted to some super ugly punycode,
| or do domains actually support full Unicode?
| simonbarker87 wrote:
| This is delightful, enjoy your massive headache running this
| thing
| vmception wrote:
| > Mailoji was not a proper business yet, so there was no way I
| could publish my ad.
|
| I always have shelf businesses registered and available for this.
|
| Its an art and almost passtime for me to sit down with bankers
| and open accounts for these things soon after registration and
| give the bare minimum information
|
| "It's a tech company"
|
| "no, there isn't a website its 2021 it just uses telegram and
| wechat to get customers"
|
| (remember: the bank doesn't _actually_ care about their anti-
| money laundering statutes either, they care about you giving them
| a reason to care, which is very different.)
| notsureaboutpg wrote:
| >I always have shelf businesses registered and available for
| this.
|
| Don't you pay an annual fee for these?
| Gys wrote:
| > Using vanilla HTML, JS and CSS, plus Stripe's API for payments,
| I cobbled together an MVP over a few weeks.
|
| Appreciate the honesty of a few weeks. The number of great
| looking projects on HN that mention 'build last weekend' are hard
| to belief.
| jkhdigital wrote:
| > complete with Japanese voice actor saying the words "Mailoji"
|
| Almost spit out my coffee laughing at this
| had-rien wrote:
| I like the idea of having an email dedicated to joke and not
| serious stuff so I rushed to register one.
|
| Kind of disappointed that I cannot send an email now, it takes
| away a lot of fun until I can especially since I've learned about
| this after paying :/
| latexr wrote:
| > TLDR; (...) made $1000 in a week
|
| > (...)
|
| > I cobbled together an MVP over a few weeks.
|
| > (...)
|
| > Even though I still haven't made the money back on all the
| emoji domains I bought
|
| So it took longer than a week and you haven't made any money. If
| you're having fun and things are going well by your metrics, why
| exaggerate ( _especially_ ) in the TLDR?
|
| It brought me back to a recent Indie Hackers post[1]:
|
| > It took me a while to both learn how this stuff works and also
| that those posts can exaggerate or hide information to better
| sensationalize the post.
|
| [1]: https://www.indiehackers.com/post/i-made-my-first-20-but-
| did...
| zacharycohn wrote:
| You're a monster. This was a delightful read.
| silentsea90 wrote:
| This is so cool, wish I were as good an engineer as you! I am
| sadly trapped in my backend big tech world and haven't spent time
| nor effort to dig myself out of that hole
| AndyMcConachie wrote:
| ICANN SSAC Advisory on the Use of Emoji in Domain Names
|
| https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-095-en.pdf
|
| A good document outlining many of the issues with using Emoji in
| domain names.
| e-clinton wrote:
| Great job. Consider offering a more expensive option like $50
| free forever. Also $10/year feels cheap for such a fun
| project.... try a random number like $16, I'm sure you'd have
| similar conversion. Kudos
| anoncow wrote:
| Ben Stokes is also a very popular English cricketer.
| marckohlbrugge wrote:
| Emoji domains are a lot of fun for sure.
|
| Shameless plug: A few years ago I discovered them for the first
| time and made https://.to which listed all available single-emoji
| domains for the .to extension.
|
| Within a few days hundreds of emoji domains were registered and
| very few were left. I think I netted the registrar 10,000s of $$$
| in days. (I got a nice commission myself as well of course).
|
| Edit: okay so HN doesn't like emoji domains - here's a blog post
| that goes into more detail with the actual URL:
| https://marc.io/emoji-domains
| LeonM wrote:
| This service should come with a big fat warning that the emoji
| email addresses should never be used for anything remotely
| serious.
|
| Running an email service is not, by any means, a 'tiny project'.
| I would never pay, nor rely on an e-mail service that is
| effectively a one-men side project.
|
| I just took a quick check on the 'mailbox' domain (I can't paste
| emoji here on HN). There seems to be no DMARC, no MTA-STS and no
| TLS-reporting set up for these domains. The SPF record allows a
| single /48 (65k) IPv6 block of addresses to send email on behalf
| of the domain. The MX does not seem to support TLS. The SPF
| record seems to be added at the '@' domain, so it is returned on
| every query, even where it is not supposed to be returned, so you
| can be sure DKIM will fail (you _did_ set up DKIM, did you?).
| Just to name a few issues.
|
| But even if implemented perfectly, there are _a lot_ of
| 'enterprise' email 'solutions' out there that are not even close
| to implementing even the most basic of RFCs. Do not expect them
| to support punycode. Do not expect your emoji email to de
| deliverable to any of these services.
| swiley wrote:
| I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't expect something like this
| to work reliably.
| thatguy0900 wrote:
| He advertised it to a general audience on tic tok,and it is a
| service people pay for. Why would they not expect it to work?
| That makes no sense to me. It seems that way because you
| understand how dysfunctional email is. I would be upset if I
| bought a service for something I don't understand that is
| normally completely functional and free and when I relied on
| it it broke only for people who understand it to laugh at me
| because I should have just known that vendor was unreliable.
| notsureaboutpg wrote:
| This isn't true at all. Many many many of my non-technical
| family members would not have any clue why emoji domain names
| and emoji email addresses could not be used. They love emoji
| (like most people) and want to use them everywhere. And if
| someone offered them an emoji email address, they'd easily
| pay for it and expect it to work like gmail/hotmail/yahoo
|
| They would not understand the following terms: unicode,
| punycode, domain name, mailserver, mail forwarding, tld. They
| would even probably reply to the wrong email (the website
| shows that the emoji email forwards mail to a normal email
| which sends the mail to you, so you should not click "Reply"
| on any email forwarded from this service to you).
|
| Don't assume customers' expectations.
| kureikain wrote:
| What you say is entirely true. But in practice, this is for
| fun, no one gonna use their emoji email for anything important.
| But it's great to have an emoji email to give to medium when
| they ask for it? Isn't that great.
| mrtksn wrote:
| That's what Dogecoin's creator said. 7 years later it sits at
| 7 Billion $ market cap and it is a big deal.
|
| After all, people pay money to obtain these. Why anybody
| paying a subscription fee would expect that the product is
| useless?
| ilaksh wrote:
| And soon to be the official currency of Starbase, Texas.
| Apparently. Although I might be misinterpreting Musk's
| tweet. He definitely said Dodge though.
| mihaaly wrote:
| That is all until The Queen snatches up that reserved
| Liz@[crown].kz, after that the MI5 will buy and run the
| [union-jack].uk for all governmental parties and typing in
| very.important.person@parliament.uk istead of [serious-face-
| with-a-tie]@[big-ben] will be considered rude in high
| circles, believe me that!
|
| ;)
| LeonM wrote:
| > no one gonna use their emoji email for anything important
|
| I disagree.
|
| We, as technical HN crowd, know not to do this this. But any
| non-technical person who sees 'get a next-gen email
| addresses' being advertised for 9,99/year will expect more. A
| lot more.
|
| Do not underestimate how naive and demanding consumers can
| be.
| rorykoehler wrote:
| Caveat emptor
| lenkite wrote:
| Yep, this is going to bomb big time in the next year or
| even less. No doubt there will be fodder for another HN
| post..
| kristopolous wrote:
| I've become a big fan of structuring onboarding in a way
| that makes problem customers never complete. Maybe the OP
| should think about how to do that here
| diogenesjunior wrote:
| >We, as technical HN crowd, know not to do this this
|
| UWU US HACKER NEWS USERS ARE SO INTELLIGENT!!!
|
| Worse than reddit.
| thatguy0900 wrote:
| I mean, normally I would agree with you, but here it's
| the case. Someone is paying for an email, address, they
| will expect it to work. Noone knows how email actually
| works, why should they.
| kureikain wrote:
| Thank you for open my mind. I see your point now.
| ethbr0 wrote:
| And for a long time, no one used email for anything
| important.
|
| Very few new things emerge feature-complete.
| Invictus0 wrote:
| It amazes me how people on HN can handwave away these
| huge concerns. Have you met human beings? The users just
| sees "email" and thinks it's exactly like gmail except
| with a funky emoji in it. It's only a matter of time
| before someone tries to pay their taxes with this.
| ethbr0 wrote:
| You know what breaks, in human beings' experiences?
|
| Everything. All the time.
|
| So the holier-than-thou, thou-shall-not-deploy-less-than-
| perfect perspective is pretty irrelevant.
|
| This is a side project. That did something neat. The
| author should be commended, not lambasted for not
| rebuilding Gmail on their own.
|
| And God knows the Internet would be a better place with a
| little more weirdness again.
| thatguy0900 wrote:
| I dont think they are being lambasted, they should just
| put a warning on their site. Email is a very messed up
| ecosystem, and people who use email don't understand
| that. This is very cool, there should just be a
| disclaimer that this is a side project and will break
| often. Email is notoriously a pain in the ass if it's a
| full time job, much less a side project that's losing
| money. He's not selling this to quirky techies, his
| primary advertisement was tic tok. That's kind of
| irresponsible to not warn people this should just be for
| fun.
| a1369209993 wrote:
| You're not _wrong_ per se, but rather: there should just
| be a disclaimer _on Email_ that this is a very messed up
| ecosystem and will break often. It 's not specific to xn
| --ds8h.kz et al.
| kwhitefoot wrote:
| How do you pay your taxes with email?
| hedora wrote:
| If enough people start using it, the big email providers will
| follow, or the new service will get around to fixing it.
|
| It'll work out either way.
|
| I'm not going to shed a tear for gmail if they have to start
| putting up with someone else's busted non-standard email
| infrastructure. They should be able to get what they give.
| dylan604 wrote:
| >They should be able to get what they give.
|
| Except, that will never happen. What's more likely, Gmail
| changes what they do to accomodate some goofy emoji system,
| or users of some goofy emoji system get frustrated about it's
| incompatibility and stop using it because it is so
| frustrating? I'm not talking about tech nerds on HN or the
| likes. I'm talking about FOMO/YOLO types that think it's
| "cool", but then new shiny happens, and they just forget
| about. One group significantly outnumbers the other.
| dmingod666 wrote:
| 'Serious', 'enterprise'.. and email addresses ending in star
| emoji, eggplant emoji.. wonder how that venn diagram would look
| like..
| path411 wrote:
| Yes but yourname@[computer] is quite appealing for a dev. I
| already bought it from OP
| insert_coin wrote:
| > This service should come with a big fat warning that the
| emoji email addresses should never be used for anything
| remotely serious.
|
| I don't know, we said the same thing about jeans.
| kirykl wrote:
| If you know so much about this stuff instead of criticizing,
| offer to help for a consulting fee and get your own paragraph
| in the next update to this story
| shp0ngle wrote:
| This service doesn't support even sending, just receiving. So I
| don't think there is DKIM even considered.
| sofixa wrote:
| Or SPF for that matter.
| toxik wrote:
| It should have an SPF record saying nobody can send as that
| domain.
| motoboi wrote:
| It needs DKIM so other people cannot send e-mail pretending
| to be you.
| LeonM wrote:
| It says send support is 'coming soon' on the website, so
| expectations are already set for those paying for this
| service.
| Dries007 wrote:
| I bought <beer>@<computer>.kz but it doesn't work, the forwarder
| doesn't have SMTPUTF8 support sadly.
|
| The QA engineer in my couldn't not try that one :)
| vbezhenar wrote:
| Please note that all kz domains must be served by servers located
| inside Kazakhstan.
| rntksi wrote:
| Can you have emoji@emoji.emoji email address?
|
| So your email address would just be 5 "characters" including the
| @ and the dot
| cyberlab wrote:
| Just be careful with ccTLDs. Read more about the .IO debacle a
| few years back: https://gigaom.com/2014/06/30/the-dark-side-of-
| io-how-the-u-...
|
| Also recently, Notion had issues with their .SO TLD More info
| here: https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/12/22280127/notion-down-
| sche...
|
| > but some speculated that it may have to do with Notion's web
| address: notion.so. The "so" suffix is the domain for the country
| of Somalia, and a deleted tweet from Notion asked if anyone knew
| people in Somalia.
| finiteseries wrote:
| A decade ago, Artsy had to move away from art.sy when Syria was
| sanctioned by the US.
|
| The .ly's and Libya were around that time too, I'm not sure if
| any of them were affected though.
| easyKL wrote:
| TLD .cf supports emoji and can be bought for free (up to 12
| months). Now good luck finding a reseller that processes the
| purchase of an emoji domain name.....
| Symbiote wrote:
| I just bought (not with the free deal) a one-letter emoji .cf
| domain name. EUR9 at Freenom.com.
|
| (It would probably have been better to use the free deal for a
| few months first.)
| johnbatch wrote:
| I'm surprised it doesn't support emoji in the name field. No
| <emoji>@<emoji>.kz
| Tepix wrote:
| When email addresses were standardized, unicode wasn't around.
|
| For domains and hostnames we have punycode which maps unicode
| characters onto the ASCII charset, which is why it works.
|
| This does not apply to the user portion of the email address.
|
| Emoji as part of the display name should work, i.e. "Emoji"
| <user@emoji.kz>
| layer8 wrote:
| RFC 6531 adds support for internationalized local-parts.
| Support in actual software may be lacking though.
| ganzsz wrote:
| I sometimes run into sites that won't even allow a + in the
| name part of an email address.
|
| And yes, I use gmail and the + functionality extensively.
| layer8 wrote:
| In the early days I used "/" in local parts, which is
| syntactically valid. That turned out to be a bad idea, as
| some mail software was mapping local-parts to file
| names...
| Doctor_Fegg wrote:
| This is a fun hack, but there is no way I would get involved in
| providing any form of commercial email service for $1440 arr. I
| wouldn't do it for $1440 a _day_. Everything involved with email
| is pain. I wish you luck.
| scandox wrote:
| > Everything involved with email is pain.
|
| Wish I'd seen this comment 4 years ago.
| ludamad wrote:
| What would you have done differently?
| 177tcca wrote:
| Probably not run an email server. =[
| tcgv wrote:
| > Everything involved with email is pain
|
| Agree. Even if you comply with most important technical
| standards/requirements you still need to spend a lot of time
| overseeing your system, and researching best practices and
| recommendations that directly affect domain and IP reputation,
| to avoid getting blacklisted.
|
| Shameless plug: A while ago I decided to try build a home made
| SMPT Mail submission component for better understating what's
| going on under the hoods (and for "fun"), it was really though,
| and once I was able to send a DKIM verifyed e-mail to GMAIL
| servers I called it a day and moved on [1]
|
| [1] https://thomasvilhena.com/2020/01/mail-submission-under-
| the-...
| zimpenfish wrote:
| > Even if you comply with most important technical
| standards/requirements
|
| ...there's no guarantee anyone else will. Currently I am
| getting moaned at because the "Money Stuff" newsletter is not
| arriving - which appears to be because Bloomberg have flubbed
| their DKIM. What am I supposed to do about that, eh?
| dieortin wrote:
| The other day I setup a postfix server in my VPS, which I
| intend to use with mailman3 to have some mailing lists.
|
| It was a bit of a pain to set up, but nothing too difficult.
| The worst part was setting up DKIM and SPF.
|
| The thing is, I constantly hear people saying that managing an
| email server is something extremely difficult and that requires
| constant attention.
|
| Am I doing something foolish by attempting to do this by
| myself? Should I just pay for a big email provider? (They're
| quite expensive for the resources my organization has)
|
| I've tried to set everything up as securely as possible, but
| I'm not an expert in email either. I'm just afraid I might be
| creating big trouble for myself in the future.
| TimBurr wrote:
| I set up a personal mailserver a few years back, and have hit
| a lot of painpoints. The main ones were software complexity
| (setup) and dealing with blacklists (ongoing).
|
| Setup for a normal mailserver requires Postfix (SMTP
| send/recieve), Dovecot (IMAP mailbox management),
| SpamAssassin, a webmail frontend (Roundcube), something for
| user management (MySQL + PHPMyAdmin for me) and a generous
| amount of glue. Things like DNS records, config files, spam
| rules and classifiers, etc).
|
| Blacklists are far more annoying, especially w.r.t. GMail. I
| use a DigitalOcean node, and some of their IP ranges are
| blacklisted due to past spamminess. Depending on the
| provider, there may or may not be a bounce email, and may or
| may not be a whitelisting process. I've even seen mixed
| results within GMail. I can send from my custom domain to my
| GMail without trouble, but emails to a friend using a custom
| domain on GMail are dropped silently. (That's the worst of
| self-hosting, I think. Silently dropped messages are way
| harder to detect than a mailer-daemon block notification.)
|
| Long story short, it's a mess :)
|
| On the flipside, similar commercial plans (3 domains, 20GB
| shared storage) run $30/mo or so, which is way more than I'm
| willing to spend on a vanity email. Sounds like a similar
| story for mailing lists.
|
| I'd give self-hosting a shot and see how it goes. Since
| mailing lists are opt-in, users will know if they aren't
| receiving what they signed up for, and are likely to reach
| out for support help. That's different than conventional
| email, where a silent drop and no reply are hard to tell
| apart for the recipient.
|
| Hope that wasn't too much info/text, and good luck!
| amenod wrote:
| Note that OP is actually generating loss at this point - 300
| domains at $8 equals $2400, which is in itself bigger than the
| income.
|
| Can you maybe share what problems OP might have? I have toyed
| with an idea of starting something similar and would love to
| know what I'm getting into.
| notsureaboutpg wrote:
| But in one year he'll have almost doubled his investment
| unless subscriptions all cancel within the year (highly
| unlikely with things like domain names / email addresses /
| etc.)
| texasbigdata wrote:
| That was before HN though! You have any idea how many
| eggplant emoji handles he's sold since?
| manquer wrote:
| Depends. If he is actually running only a forwarder , it is
| much easier than running an full fledged service with mailboxes
| and other support.
| LeonM wrote:
| Running a 'forwarder' still means that you have manage the
| MTAs, and all the infrastructure around it. It's still a lot
| of work.
| closeparen wrote:
| This is awesome. But why make the recipient copy and paste the
| reply address? Can't you use the Reply-To header?
| unnouinceput wrote:
| OK, so somebody sends an email to one of those cute emoji
| addresses he has the service implemented for. Now the recipient
| hits reply - where does it go? From article I understood he did
| some forward service in order to avoid direct emoji domain
| blocking. So the recipient will hit reply and at the "Send to"
| field will be the email address of the normal domain, not the
| emoji one. How do you overcome this?
| had-rien wrote:
| I've purchased an email to try it (not for serious stuff of
| course).
|
| So for now you cannot send an email, only receive one.
|
| When someone sends an email to your emoji account then it s
| forwarded to an actual email address of your choice. The mail
| will have the following signature at the end :
|
| Sent via Mailoji. Don't reply to this email. Reply to the
| sender email address below
|
| From Sender Name: sender@email.com to your Mailoji you@emoji.kz
|
| ---------
| monstersinF wrote:
| Fun idea! But It's too bad that Kazakhstan's decision to MITM all
| HTTPS traffic makes this a nonstarter for actual use
|
| https://www.zdnet.com/article/kazakhstan-government-is-now-i...
| Tepix wrote:
| That seems completely unrelated to an email service, especially
| if most of its users are outside of Kazakhstan.
| qmarchi wrote:
| .kz registrants, like many ccTLDs, are required to host core
| services within the borders of Kazakhstan.
| scaladev wrote:
| They don't MITM anything. There were a few ridiculously
| incompetent failed attempts. There will undoubtedly be more,
| but HTTPS works fine at the moment.
|
| Just wanted to clarify this.
| dbrgn wrote:
| With the state of unicode support in the legacy systems that
| make up of our e-mail infrastructure, I doubt any emoji domain
| will be ready for any actual use, where you rely on e-mails
| being actually delivered to you.
| totetsu wrote:
| Emojis are "fun" in the same way hallmark melody greeting cards
| are "fun"
| amenod wrote:
| I have a domain that would be great for an e-mail forwarding
| service, but I have second throughts about starting it... Is
| there someone here with experience in this area? What should the
| OP be most scared of?
| Tepix wrote:
| Abuse by spammers and criminals, DDoS and hacking attempts for
| starters.
|
| Lots of spam complaints to handle manually. Also payments using
| stolen credit cards.
| kureikain wrote:
| I run an email forwarding service call https://hanami.run
|
| It's fun because you gotta learn alot about email. Especially
| when you play with DKIM, ARC chain you found yourself reading
| through RFC. Or when I discover weird issue like this:
| https://hanami.run/blog/posts/the-quirks-of-gmail-ui/
|
| I think the OP mail one is for fun, people who registered an
| emoji email properly expect some fun aspect and OK with email
| being lost.
|
| In practice, the most scared thing is having your IP on
| blacklist. Very quickly people will complain when they lost
| email or too many email goes to spam or just rejected
| completely.
|
| Due to the nature of email forwarding, people usually own the
| domain, so they use random address for many random
| website(coupon, download free ebooks, shitty newsletter...) so
| it attract a large amount of spammer I have to constantly deal
| with now. When gmail return a 550 in their SMTP server(550 mean
| they block/rate limiting), I got a bit worry at first but I
| learnt to live with it nowsaday
| bikson wrote:
| I'm still don't know why emoji's are a thing.
| krapp wrote:
| People like to communicate their emotions through cute
| pictograms, it's not difficult to understand.
| Biganon wrote:
| I find it fascinating that some people fail to understand
| that. It's so obvious. Emojis are hugely useful to convey
| intent and emotion. But they're relatively new, so I suppose
| they're automatically stupid, get off my lawn etc etc
| macksd wrote:
| Emotional context is easily lost over text. Adding an emoji at
| the end helps makes it more explicit when you're employing
| irony, sarcasm, or when expressing a genuine emotion like
| sadness.
| [deleted]
| sshagent wrote:
| I think i might have realised I've become old, when the very idea
| of an emoji domain causes me anger. _sigh_
| capableweb wrote:
| Don't think it's about age. I'm also considered old (in the
| technology sphere at least) and I don't really enjoy the
| "emoji" humor either, but I don't get mad about seeing them.
| Let others have their fun, no need to get angry about things
| you cannot control.
| sshagent wrote:
| Yeah thats what i meant. I should see the fun as the primary
| part of this. I guess we're just one step away from meme
| email addresses.
| robotbikes wrote:
| I think I'm old in that I was thinking how would I write this
| emoji email address on paper. Also I can just imagine the
| joys of form validation when you add an emoji into the email
| address. On the other hand I doubt most email harvesting bots
| crawling the web would be configured to recognize an emoji
| email.
| thrwyoilarticle wrote:
| You shouldn't use any vanity email address as your only
| address, unless you want your online life lost to inbound
| GMail and outbound corporate filters. So, if there's a
| situation where you need to write it down, use the
| 'serious' address.
| ttt0 wrote:
| I'm not old and I hate it. I don't even know how to insert
| an emoji on a computer.
| mfkp wrote:
| I'd be more inclined to use it if he doubled up on the domains,
| for example also providing "clownemoji.kz" as well as (actual
| clown emoji).kz (so if I were to tell someone my email is "mfkp
| at clown emoji dot kz", they could either use the clown emoji, or
| spell it out.
| [deleted]
| prepend wrote:
| > I setup an email forwarder to route all email sent to .ws to my
| regular email address. >Eagerly I typed ben@.ws into the "to"
| field of gmail and hit send. > The email never hit my inbox. It
| was lost forever in cyberspace.
|
| I think this was just caused by Gmail now working when a message
| is sent and received at the same account. It just disappears. [0]
|
| It's really annoying, it's not part of a spec, it's just gmail.
|
| I ran into this because I have some forwarders too and if I send
| an email from gmail that goes out, when my external mail server
| sends it back to gmail it never gets there. It's not deleted,
| it's not marked as spam, it just doesn't exist and there's no
| record.
|
| I suspect if author had sent from another account it would work
| fine.
|
| [0] https://support.dnsimple.com/articles/troubleshooting-
| email-...
| mns wrote:
| Exchange also does this, if you are part of a group, send an
| email to that group, you will never get it. We ran into it when
| one of our systems were sending an alert for a failed action to
| a group, but it was sending it on behalf of the person that
| tried to do that action and eventually failed. Everyone in the
| group was getting the email, except the original person.
| prepend wrote:
| That's not so bad, but it's not as bad as gmail.
|
| Exchange will return a message that comes back to the mailbox
| via a forward. Also, I think, Exchange is doing this because
| the list is on server and it's part of Exchange's deduping.
| If I send to the list and foo and foo is in the list, foo
| gets one email, not two.
|
| For example, I have foo@gmail.com, foo@outlook.com,
| foo@prepend.com.
|
| I set up foo@prepend.com to forward to foo@gmail.com.
|
| If I send a message from bar@gmail.com to foo@prepend.com, it
| comes through as expected.
|
| If I send the same message from foo@gmail.com, I never get
| it. Prepend.com's mail server has a record of sending it to
| gmail.com, but my gmail account has no evidence of it
| anywhere.
|
| If I change foo@prepend.com to forward to foo@outlook.com, I
| don't have this problem.
| [deleted]
| kureikain wrote:
| This is the most confuse part of gmail. I run an email
| forwarding service and I got this exact problem.
|
| I ended up build a "Test button" where customer click, then we
| send an email from our own address and let them know why we did
| that and also link to your link.
|
| Gmail is no doubt very useful but they have quite of few of
| quirks.
| hedora wrote:
| This is a "feature". If an incoming message is "from" the
| recipient account, and somehow makes it past the spam filter,
| it puts it in sent.
|
| In a perhaps apocryphal story, at least one person was fired
| when a malicious coworker used this to forge harassing emails
| from the victim.
| wccrawford wrote:
| Can confirm. This bit me recently until I thought to use
| another account for testing.
| tyingq wrote:
| I'm confused, as I'm able to send and also forward messages
| from myself to myself just fine in gmail. How would I recreate
| this? Does it only come up for emails coming from outside of
| gmail?
| prepend wrote:
| You need a third party in between.
|
| That's what is crazy and took me a long time to debug. If I
| send from my gmail to myself it works fine.
|
| But if I send to an external mail account that redirects back
| to me it's gone.
|
| You can test this with any mail server you run. You can
| theoretically run a mail server locally and test it if you
| have DNS resolution that gmail can see.
|
| I use cpanel on one of those countless Linux shared hosts and
| they have a decent mail admin, I expect any other host will
| have the same or similar.
| davchana wrote:
| set up an account two@any.com.
|
| Two@any.com forwards every incoming email to one@gmail.com
|
| Send an email from one@gmail.com to two@any.com (which will
| automatically get forwarded back to one@gmail.com).
|
| There will be no incoming email back in one@gmail.com. it
| will disappear at two@any.com
| Tyr42 wrote:
| Should be in your sent folder right?
| prepend wrote:
| Yes, but it never gets to inbox. So it looks to the client
| exactly the same as a broken forward config, or some other
| bug where the recipient mail server doesn't error back.
| abdullahkhalids wrote:
| Is this some sort of abuse protection, where people use gmail
| as free storage?
| LeonM wrote:
| Gmail already is free storage, AFAIK it shares you data quota
| with you Google drive account.
|
| Most likely this is a 'mail-loop' prevention. If you setup
| two accounts that forward to each other, then emails will be
| stuck in an infinite loop. Inject a couple of multi-megabyte
| emails into that loop and you can take down the entire
| service. This is effectively a DOS attack.
| londons_explore wrote:
| It could also be an implementation detail.
|
| Mail messages have a unique identifier. Gmail might just
| concatenate the mail identifier with your account
| identifier to use it as a primary key to store your email
| in the "mails" bigtable.
|
| If you send email to yourself, when it comes to put the
| mail into the mails bigtable, the result will be "primary
| key already exists, cannot insert"
| prepend wrote:
| Maybe similar to this, but it works if my message stays
| in gmail when I send from my gmail straight to my gmail.
| prepend wrote:
| I don't think so as email forwarding is pretty basic and it's
| blocked even for tiny messages.
|
| I suspect it was just some stupid developer pre-optimizing,
| thinking they were clever and not thinking through use cases.
| "Every email from me to me will skip external routing and
| just get flagged in storage; therefore, any email from and to
| me and not through that process must be fraud and we'll just
| save the user from that and black hole it."
| kube-system wrote:
| IIRC, at one point in time, there was a way to evade spam
| filtering by setting the "from" and "to" to the recipient.
| Maybe this has something to do with that
| prepend wrote:
| Perhaps but this is where gmail is being stupid as they
| should be able to authenticate that the message actually
| was genuinely generated from a gmail account.
| rwmj wrote:
| I don't know if it's related to this, but gmail deduplicates
| emails based on the Message-Id. This is entirely broken
| behaviour and causes trouble for us with mailing lists (eg. a
| mail is sent to the inbox and a mailing list, or sent to two
| mailing lists). Another in the list of reasons not to use
| gmail.
| nashashmi wrote:
| But if you send yourself an email, you will get it? How does
| deduplication work for that?
| [deleted]
| rplnt wrote:
| Cool, but I also wish this wouldn't exist.
| heleninboodler wrote:
| Neat. Suggestion: it would be useful to have a text search so I
| can see if you have a particular emoji without having to squint
| at the whole list.
| Thoughtful wrote:
| Emojis in subject lines can sometimes cause issues with ticketing
| systems, so I can only imagine how ticketing systems will like
| emojis as domains.
| beiller wrote:
| My God! I've been waiting for this since the day the architects
| told me "only ASCII characters are allowed in the email database
| field"
| williesleg wrote:
| Hooray?
| sitzkrieg wrote:
| the author may like to know Cyrillic doesn't automatically mean
| Russian
| simias wrote:
| The website is in Russian though. The author probably knew that
| because he had to use some online translation tool to go
| through the purchase process.
|
| Fun fact: the Kazakh government decided to replace Cyrillic
| with Latin for the Kazakh language. Apparently the process is
| supposed to end in 2025, but I have no idea how widely adopted
| the new alphabet is at the moment.
| scaladev wrote:
| >I have no idea how widely adopted the new alphabet is at the
| moment
|
| Not much. Most publications and websites are still using the
| old alphabet, including the most important government portal
| which is used by pretty much everybody:
| https://egov.kz/cms/kk
|
| I rarely see it on anything more substantial than ad banners
| and propaganda posters (like "don't litter" and "vote for our
| beloved leader").
| sitzkrieg wrote:
| ah wow neat
| acvny wrote:
| This promotional video is epic:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKxEXZv4G3c
| sixhobbits wrote:
| I'm confused by the post about if I can buy g@ or only g@.kz -
| the post seems to suggest the former but I don't understand how
| that would work
| sixhobbits wrote:
| oh HN doesn't support emojis - that is
| g@<unicorn-emoji>.kz
|
| or g@<unicorn-emoji>
| kuon wrote:
| I think you need the .kz, if you don't, I can officially say
| that I am out of the tech game and need to go grow potatoes.
| wohfab wrote:
| You need a TLD but IIRC, the second level is not required.
| So you _could_ have something like `http://google`, which I
| think, Google actually had at some point in the past.
| Cannot however find anything related to this anymore.
| sofixa wrote:
| The .ai TLD has an A record, so http://ai/ works.
| kuon wrote:
| Yes, this I understand. But not the other way around.
| Biganon wrote:
| I wrote a post about that:
| https://www.simonjunod.ch/projets/webtld/
|
| It's in French, but it's easy to understand the gist of
| it
| sschueller wrote:
| I am also confused. I assume the email address would always
| be postfixed with .kz or the email would not arrive.
| bellyfullofbac wrote:
| Yeah, the YouTube ad shows this (there's a quick screenshot
| of an email address with .kz after the emoji). But the ad
| also does the trick of eliminating the ccTLD after gmail
| and yahoo, it asks you "Still using an @gmail address?" ...
| well I use an @gmail.com address, but I see what you did
| there, you eliminated the .com so you could also hide the
| fact that your emoji address actually needs a .kz at the
| end.
| _s wrote:
| g@<emoji>.kz
| mminer237 wrote:
| You need the TLD. He was just saying that he was looking for
| TLDs where it was currently possible to register a single emoji
| as the second-level domain. He found .kz and is now selling
| <whatever>@<emoji>.kz
| CalChris wrote:
| That was freaking awesome.
|
| Basically it's a long and technical shaggy dog story. He started
| with an insane premise ( _emoji domain name_ ?!), added enough
| detail ( _The night of 150 emojis_ ) to strain even a willing
| suspension of disbelief yet still without breaking it, and then
| ended with an anti-climactical (because it _is_ a shaggy dog
| story even if true) $1440 /year ARR.
|
| Bravo.
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