[HN Gopher] Object Browser (2010)
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       Object Browser (2010)
        
       Author : tosh
       Score  : 32 points
       Date   : 2021-03-09 16:27 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (wiki.c2.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (wiki.c2.com)
        
       | mjaniczek wrote:
       | Couldn't help but think of Glamorous Toolkit:
       | https://gtoolkit.com/
        
         | carapace wrote:
         | Ah, well, that makes sense. It's implemented on top of Pharo
         | which is a Smalltalk, one of the primary roots of the whole
         | "object browser" idea, eh?
         | 
         | http://files.pharo.org/media/pharoCheatSheet.pdf (Note the "The
         | 5 Panes Pharo Code Browser" object browser.)
         | 
         | See also VPRI's STEPS project:
         | http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2012001_steps.pdf
        
       | guessbest wrote:
       | There is already a tool with an Object Browser and it is
       | Microsoft Word. Why hasn't it replaced Web Browsers is anyone's
       | guess.
        
         | matheusmoreira wrote:
         | How is Word an object browser?
        
           | McGlockenshire wrote:
           | There is (was?) a feature in MS Word called the Object
           | Browser that let you navigate a document by content types,
           | like footnotes and headings and whatnot.
           | 
           | In other Words, it's a joke.
        
       | nynx wrote:
       | This is literally what web browsers are.
        
       | brundolf wrote:
       | > An object browser is a non-lobotomized version of a file or web
       | browser.
       | 
       | > Additionally, no significant innovation has been made in web
       | browsers since Mosaic.
       | 
       | Yeesh; I couldn't get past the first two insufferable paragraphs.
       | Gonna be a hard pass from me.
        
         | foobarbecue wrote:
         | It is an 11-year-old post, but still.
         | 
         | Somebody should stick (2010) on the title, right?
        
           | brundolf wrote:
           | Yeah I saw that (and the date should be added); but even with
           | that context the Mosaic comment is laughable
        
         | zwieback wrote:
         | Keep in mind that c2.com is of historic interest (first Wiki,
         | where the term came from) but now terribly outdated.
        
         | ballmerspeak wrote:
         | > I don't. Programmers are retards. That's my answer to
         | everything. And the only evidence I need is that C++ exists.
         | 
         | > (Literally, people lack imagination. They're satisfied with
         | the present circumstances because they can't imagine anything
         | different, they can't imagine what the system is lacking unless
         | someone tells them what to imagine. The vast majority of people
         | aren't original or even independent.)
         | 
         | I wasted a little more of my time than you did. I love a good
         | rant, but this one seems to be all the sadness/depressing angst
         | without the fun.
        
           | brundolf wrote:
           | Yikes, I didn't think it could get even worse
        
         | pwdisswordfish0 wrote:
         | Dismissing weak arguments is easy. Try imagining what a strong
         | argument for the author's point would look like, and then
         | respond to that.
         | 
         | On the topic of object browsers, I'd argue that "no significant
         | innovation" has been made at the intersection of object
         | browsers and Web browsers since around 2001 when Joe Hewitt
         | checked in the original DOM Inspector for Netscape, aside from
         | possibly the inline display of the results of expressions
         | evaluated in the console. (DOM Inspector didn't have such a
         | console.)
         | 
         | In many ways, browser devtools are worse than the DOM Inspector
         | that was baked into Firefox 1.0. The node tree was fast, and
         | you could open up not just a view for more than one object, but
         | more than one view of a single object, too. Meanwhile, in the
         | tools baked into major browsers, I can't even look at the
         | "Layout" pane and the CSS "Rules" pane at the same time. Want
         | to have the document's DOM tree on the screen while looking at
         | some JSON returned by an AJAX call? Too bad.
        
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         | eranima wrote:
         | Typical Hacker News post really
        
           | brundolf wrote:
           | I don't think that's fair. Ones this bad are not unheard-of
           | here, but they aren't common.
        
             | Jtsummers wrote:
             | Right, between flagging and downvoting and moderation we
             | don't get those sentiments showing up at the top of the
             | discussion here. It gets buried.
             | 
             | C2 suffers from being editable and generally staying linear
             | in flow (people added downward, and less frequently edited
             | the top portions). There are some clear trolling/flame war
             | content that was moved, there was also a culture of
             | avoiding deletion though so even when it was moved it
             | wasn't _re_ moved.
        
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