[HN Gopher] Why winter exercise can be especially hard on the lungs
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       Why winter exercise can be especially hard on the lungs
        
       Author : curmudgeon22
       Score  : 122 points
       Date   : 2021-03-07 15:14 UTC (7 hours ago)
        
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       | cadence- wrote:
       | I get dry cough for prolonged times during winter, and I don't
       | even exercise outside. Just from normal walking and outdoor
       | activities. I even have it now. It started a month ago. I don't
       | know what this is exactly. It's not too bad, just some dry
       | coughing every few hours. I feel almost constant low-grade
       | burning in my chest. I use humidifier at home, but it doesn't
       | seem to help. My doctor has no idea what causes it. I never
       | happens in warm weather. Only winter. So it has to have something
       | to do with that.
        
         | rubicon33 wrote:
         | Do you breath predominantly through your mouth, or through your
         | nose?
         | 
         | If the former, this could be a factor in why your lungs are
         | chronically bracioconstricted. The nose has both a filtering
         | and humidifying effect on the air.
         | 
         | I really suggest that anyone suffering from cough or sore
         | throat take some time to watch this:
         | 
         | https://youtu.be/r9brGbPGJeY
        
           | cadence- wrote:
           | I actually don't know. I don't pay enough attention. My nose
           | tends to get stuffy in cold temperatures, so it's entirely
           | possible that I automatically switch to breathing through
           | mouth for that reason. I will try to pay more attention to
           | that.
        
           | [deleted]
        
         | qbasic_forever wrote:
         | I'd measure the humidity (log and track it over a few days to
         | see trends) and check if your humidifier is enough to keep it
         | up at a comfortable level.
        
         | dennis_jeeves wrote:
         | In a city the air can be worse or better depending on the
         | season. I too had dry cough in winter in a city where smog
         | would form during winter because the wind did not blow during
         | that time of the year. When I moved to another city the dry-
         | cough disappeared even though it was winter, in this city the
         | wind was not stagnant in the winter, presumably carrying away
         | polluted air form automobiles.
        
       | crazygringo wrote:
       | It's good to see people actually talking about this.
       | 
       | I simply cannot run in the winter because of this. It ruins my
       | respiratory system for the rest of the day.
       | 
       | And I can't count the number of times I've had people insist it's
       | all in my head because, they insist, it's only _relative
       | humidity_ that matters, and the relative humidity in the freezing
       | air is still 70%. And they don 't understand when I gently
       | explain that the air gets heated by the time it makes it deep
       | into your lungs, at which case the relative humidity has
       | plummeted to something like 10%. And sure, your mucus membranes
       | do their best to humidify that air a little, but when it's well
       | below freezing they simply can't keep up at all. And it's not
       | just your lungs but your throat and vocal cords too.
        
         | dragontamer wrote:
         | Run at 50F weather and get your lungs acclimated to slightly
         | chilly temps. For me, it takes a week or two to get used to
         | even 50F.
         | 
         | Then, once your lungs are used to that, 40F and 30F are next.
         | 
         | I never went below that this past winter. But lung cold weather
         | training definitely exists. Your body really does adapt if you
         | give it the few weeks it needs.
        
           | guantanamo_bob wrote:
           | When temperatures drop quickly I find that I need to do a few
           | nose-only breathing workouts (low intensity, HR between
           | 60-70% of max) in order to acclimate like this.
        
           | MeinBlutIstBlau wrote:
           | I run in -20 and sweat. That's because I wear face coverings
           | and lots of clothing. I've never had any issues with
           | breathing or pain in lungs.
        
             | guantanamo_bob wrote:
             | This may be more common with high volume workouts. I don't
             | get it on short runs, but distance skiing for 2-3+ hours
             | will take a toll. This isn't something that happens when I
             | cycle or rollerski for an equivalent workout.
        
         | beckingz wrote:
         | I have this happen as well!
         | 
         | Makes it hard to stay fit in the winter.
        
         | andor wrote:
         | Train breathing through your nose. It'll be uncomfortable at
         | first but you'll get used to it. After some time I was able to
         | do tempo runs with nose breathing only.
        
           | crazygringo wrote:
           | Maybe some people have larger nasal cavities or nostrils or
           | something.
           | 
           | But the idea that I could run -- whether in summer or winter
           | -- with enough air exchange through my nostrils alone is
           | simply impossible.
           | 
           | It's not merely uncomfortable. I mean I'd literally pass out
           | from lack of air before five minutes were up. I've tried
           | before and wound up gasping for air no different from if
           | someone had been suffocating me.
           | 
           | And my nose is unremarkable according to my ENT. Not
           | congested with allergies or unusually inflamed or anything.
           | I'm 6'1", healthy weight, athletic, average-sized facial
           | features.
           | 
           | I'm actually baffled by the idea that there are people out
           | there who _can_ breathe through their noses while running.
        
             | notesinthefield wrote:
             | Ive been a daily ashtanga practitioner for years were
             | nasal-only breathing is important. It took quite some time
             | to make it through the entire practice only breathing
             | through my nose during, same goes for running, at anything
             | more than an easy pace I cant do it. Youd have to be
             | incredibly fit to pull it off.
        
           | OneLeggedCat wrote:
           | That absolutely does not work for me when I try to exercise
           | in cold weather. Fast breathing thru my nose in really cold
           | air turns my head into a congealed block of cement within
           | about ten minutes, with zero air flow, and with all that now
           | less-hydrated snot dripping down the back of my throat makes
           | me gag, sometimes violently. Once that is happening, I have
           | to stop exercising and recover for maybe another 15 minutes.
           | I can exercise much longer if I simply deal with the
           | negatives of mouth breathing. I probably have poor quality
           | sinuses, but I don't think my experience is all that unique
           | either.
           | 
           | I should add that I do nose breathe when exercising in warm
           | weather, and that works fine.
        
         | herodoturtle wrote:
         | > It ruins my respiratory system for the rest of the day.
         | 
         | Would you please share your symptoms?
         | 
         | I have a similar result from (in my case) early morning
         | kayaking during winter.
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | dragontamer wrote:
           | For me at least: its a low-grade cough that persists for
           | maybe 2 or 3 days after the workout. (And again: if I'm not
           | used to cold air yet, this can happen as high as 50F)
           | 
           | Not like "I'm sick" coughing, but "My lungs are definitely
           | tired from that cold air" coughing. I wouldn't say its a big
           | deal or anything, but its enough to make me take my
           | temperature in these COVID19 times, lol.
        
       | softwaredoug wrote:
       | I'd be curious about a similar article in summer running, esp in
       | high humidity. I find this far more exhausting than winter
       | running, where my greatest obstacle is layering well.
        
       | jasonpeacock wrote:
       | Huh. I grew up racing XC skiing in Alaska, and usually during the
       | first week of practice in the winter you'd "burn" your lungs from
       | the cold (or apparently, the dryness). You'd cough if you
       | breathed deeply, and it took a few days to recover.
       | 
       | But then the rest of the season you were totally OK - no issues
       | at all, with a weekly racing schedule and lots of very cold
       | temps. I don't recall any teammates having any chronic or
       | recurring issues either.
       | 
       | It was accepted as the annual acclimation to winter aerobics,
       | just like that first sunburn of summer let you enjoy the rest of
       | the summer sun without burning.
        
         | joe_the_user wrote:
         | I strong suspect that only a certain percentage of people can
         | easily follow the "just suffer and you will adapt" advice. I
         | mean believe some can do but I wouldn't take this as universal
         | advise. Edit: Extreme reactions to cold even have a name,
         | Raynard's syndrome[1]. But as someone who suffers occasionally
         | from this, I think it's more useful to say people's cold
         | reactions vary.
         | 
         |  _...just like that first sunburn of summer let you enjoy the
         | rest of the summer sun without burning._
         | 
         | Advise that even more clearly applies to only some people and
         | some locations.
         | 
         | [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raynaud_syndrome
        
         | paulryanrogers wrote:
         | May be some survivor bias there. In summer I burn ever single
         | time I don't wear sunscreen or extra clothing. In fact I burn
         | on sunny days in winter.
        
           | steve_adams_86 wrote:
           | Yeah, some people are able to establish a "base" which
           | protects them over summer but many people can't. It varies.
        
         | TimD1 wrote:
         | Yeah, I've had similar experiences to yours, nordic ski racing
         | on a team all throughout college. We'd all get coughs the first
         | few cold days, but that was it. We would avoid doing interval
         | workouts if it was below 0deg F though.
        
           | jasonpeacock wrote:
           | Yeah, when it was really cold (<= 0F) were were required to
           | wear facemasks (those neoprene masks with the nose fold,
           | paper-punch holes at the mouth, and velcro in the back[1]) to
           | prevent frostbite on the face, and they definitely helped
           | with breathing as well.
           | 
           | [1] https://www.amazon.com/Tough-Headwear-Neoprene-Ski-
           | Mask/dp/B...
        
         | jorvi wrote:
         | > just like that first sunburn of summer let you enjoy the rest
         | of the summer sun without burning.
         | 
         | This is not how it works. If you burn your skin, it doesn't tan
         | (the skin layer responsible for tanning dies and then peels
         | off), and aside from that burning your skin annually seriously
         | raises your risk of skin cancer.
        
       | ahstilde wrote:
       | Lots of micro-optimizations in exercise. We need to breathe to
       | get energy to the muscles, so it's good to focus on the pathways
       | air takes to get to our lungs.
       | 
       | Making the air warmer and a little more humid is good. Making
       | sure you're not suffering from allergies is good, too. Part of
       | the reason I started Wyndly (https://www.wyndly.com/) was to help
       | athletes take care of their allergies.
        
       | u801e wrote:
       | I don't ride my bicycle in -15 degC, but I've found it much
       | harder to exert myself in temperatures from -5 to 5 degC versus
       | 20 to 30 degC. That is, hills that are nomally easy for me in
       | higher temperatures become very difficult in lower temps.
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | 0xbadcafebee wrote:
       | I figured this was common knowledge. I've never been able to work
       | out in cold weather because my lungs felt like they were
       | imploding. I always have to wear a bandana over my mouth+nose,
       | and then it's bearable. It gets soaked but at least I don't feel
       | like I'm dying.
        
       | xyzelement wrote:
       | In covid times, I'm finding it much much easier to breathe while
       | running because off the mask. Seems to keep the breath both
       | warmer and more moist.
        
         | tenpies wrote:
         | Agree. The mask has been awesome for winter times to be honest.
         | Face doesn't freeze off, air doesn't freeze the hairs of your
         | nose, and my lips don't need a ton of moisturizer.
         | 
         | The one part that sucks is when you get too much condensation
         | in there and I still have not found a good combo that allows
         | sunglasses without them fogging up instantaneously. The
         | temperature difference between your exhalation and the cold
         | does not help at all.
        
           | c0g wrote:
           | If you wear a surgical mask, I found pushing it as high as
           | possible to be the only thing that worked. You want the top
           | at the same level as the nose bridge.
        
         | jkdfgljk wrote:
         | >...off the mask...
         | 
         | Freudian slip!
        
         | slibhb wrote:
         | It's not very cold where I live (bottoms out around 15 degrees
         | F, usually above freezing) but I've come to like the feeling of
         | cold air in the my lungs. I also find it hard to run with a
         | mask on.
         | 
         | Of course this article is aimed at professional athletes in
         | much colder conditions.
        
         | tartoran wrote:
         | This is working out for me as well to the point I will consider
         | wearing a mask during the winter in the following post covid
         | cold seasons.
        
         | curmudgeon22 wrote:
         | That's the recommendation further down in the article:
         | 
         | > Both Giesbrecht and Kennedy say a simple face covering, such
         | as a fabric mask, neck warmer or scarf, can go a long way to
         | protecting the lungs from being irritated.
         | 
         | > "If you cover your mouth, you're essentially warming the air
         | and humidifying the air in a very productive manner," said
         | Kennedy. "So essentially, your lung has to deal with less cold,
         | dry air."
        
         | sebow wrote:
         | How do you not faint after a while?
         | 
         | Imo cooler temperature is also better for workouts and all-
         | things breathing-wise. Also one would figure you have to short-
         | breathe and do it faster to maintain the oxygen levels, and
         | that's just a bad idea if you're doing anything resistance-
         | intended,because you're just burning energy breathing harder
         | for no good reason.(Yes you also burn energy to maintain the
         | temperature because you intake cool air, but after the
         | circulation sets in it's barely noticeable)
         | 
         | Now related to the article: Yes, the "chronic cough" and the
         | lungs explanation is something you experience for arguably the
         | first couple of times you run/exercise outside if you're out of
         | shape(and i might add is kind of frightening to the
         | unexperienced).The key thing is to understand is that you have
         | to "embrace" this fear of "the cold" and the body inherently
         | secretes adrenaline & hormones to help you "fight" it.
         | 
         | If this sounds like what Wim Hof says repeatedly it's because
         | that's what it is.And i'm no doctor but you experience it.And
         | more often than not anecdotal experience can have more insights
         | towards the truth than the narration/study of one's
         | experiment/anecdotal experience.
         | 
         | We're already very weak immune-wise because of: modern times(&
         | the clothes available), availability of heat, lack of air &
         | sunlight, processed foods, etc.Extreme sanitization of our
         | environments will do anything but help the situation.
        
         | seibelj wrote:
         | I'm looking forwards to being able to wear a mask (forever?)
         | without being looked at sideways no matter where I am. Even a
         | bank, etc. I used to catch a ton of sickness from the subway,
         | I'm sure this will cut it down. Exercising and keeping my lungs
         | warm is yet another plus.
        
         | tata202008 wrote:
         | Same applies to my experience biking. I'm new to any kind of
         | cycling, and coming off approx 1 yr of not exercising regularly
         | (previously in moderately unfit shape). Got a hybrid fixed gear
         | in Sep & the mask enabled multi-hour rides even once the temp
         | dropped below to daily high of low 40s degF in Nov. I'm
         | pleasantly surprised to report that my season hasn't had to
         | stop for the winter at all! I credit the mask.
        
         | myself248 wrote:
         | Yup, I've worn a balaclava for the last few winters, but the
         | 'clava PLUS a mask is even better. Plus nobody looks at me
         | funny anymore.
        
       | tomthumb wrote:
       | I used to jog in my 8th grade and during winter I developed a bad
       | cough which won't go away. Over time it developed into a full
       | blown asthma and now I am in my late 40s and still have it.
        
       | Ozzie_osman wrote:
       | I grew up in a very warm climate, but as an adult spent about 6
       | years in a much colder (New England) climate. I also have very
       | mild asthma.
       | 
       | Every winter, as soon as I caught my first cold or flu of the
       | season, I basically felt my lungs break. If I tried to run or
       | sprint or play any sport, I'd get a horrible cough and if I kept
       | going, I'd feel like I might pass out. That would basically
       | persist until spring.
       | 
       | Ive never experienced that in warmer climates.
        
         | cactus2093 wrote:
         | Had a similar experience, not that extreme but when I went away
         | to college was the first time I spent much time in a cold
         | climate. I specifically remember playing ultimate frisbee with
         | friends in the late fall and getting almost a burning sensation
         | in my lungs when getting winded in the cold. It never led to
         | any kind of cough or ongoing symptoms for me, but I remember
         | thinking wow is this just normal for everyone that grows up
         | playing sports in colder climates? Over time I think I just got
         | used to it, and haven't played outdoor sports that regularly as
         | an adult that it comes up that often (more sustained exercise
         | like hiking or even skiing doesn't really bother me, it's
         | really the full-out exertion like sprinting). It doesn't
         | surprise me that it can cause more severe symptoms, coughing,
         | etc.
        
       | matsemann wrote:
       | I cross country ski a lot during the winter, and this January a
       | lot of times in below -20C. What I have is a "lungplus"[0].
       | Basically a tube with a mesh of metal I hold in my mouth and
       | breathe through. After buying it I feel better the day after a
       | hard workout outside compared to earlier. The air I breathe feel
       | warmer, but almost more important not as dry.
       | 
       | There are also special designed masks for this. I like the lung
       | plus better, as the inside of a mask gets snotty and wet and
       | glasses don't fog with the lungplus. But others I know use the
       | mask variants and are happy. They aren't as dorky looking I
       | guess, at least not after everyone started wearing masks heh.
       | Note that having a buff ("neck gaiter") above your mouth isn't
       | really comparable to a mask. It will just get wet and cold when
       | breathing hard through it during exercise and is not really
       | airthight so cold air still slips in other ways. Try a proper
       | mask/lungplus designed for this, I can recommend it.
       | 
       | [0]: http://lungplususa.com/ not the prettiest webpage I've seen,
       | but the product works
        
         | polack wrote:
         | I'm one of the people that prefer the mask (in my case the
         | Airtrim [0]). I had problems with it getting to humid inside
         | the mask too before I learned that if I just blow (hard) out
         | once every 10 minutes or so most exess humidity will be blown
         | out of the filter and there will never be a buildup inside of
         | the mask.
         | 
         | I can really recommend getting one of these heat/humidity
         | exchangers, I think both types of products will do the job. I
         | had to give up many winter sports due to problems with the cold
         | and dry air before I got my Airtrim. Now its like breathing in
         | +20C all the time. Best 50$ I ever spent.
         | 
         | [0] http://airtrim.se/eng/default.asp - Also horrible webpage
         | :)
        
           | matsemann wrote:
           | Yeah, Airtrim is the mask variant everyone I know uses, so I
           | can also vouch for this.
        
         | MrMember wrote:
         | I have a lot of trouble doing hard exercise in the cold due to
         | asthma, I'll definitely be giving this a try.
        
         | germinalphrase wrote:
         | This was a rough Nordic skiing winter for us. -20F really does
         | require something extra to help the lungs. A buff/balaclava
         | helped a lot, but soaked/frozen fabric has its own downsides.
         | 
         | I've heard the pros routinely develop cold induced asthma.
        
         | callmeal wrote:
         | Looks like it forces you to breathe through your mouth. I
         | remember reading something on here about the harmful effects of
         | doing that on a consistent basis.
         | 
         | Do you find any change in your stamina/capacity when using this
         | device?
         | 
         | see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23962638
        
           | matsemann wrote:
           | I still breathe normally through both the nose and mouth when
           | using it. And the effect is good enough from just warming the
           | (bigger) airflow through the mouth. But it probably stings a
           | bit more in the nose compared to the mask variants.
           | 
           | I don't feel it hampers my breathing at all, really. If
           | anything, it allows me to take full breaths in conditions
           | where that normally would hurt. I got the sports variant.
        
           | germinalphrase wrote:
           | I'd love to proves wrong, but the "only breathe through your
           | nose" crowd always seemed a little woo-woo.
        
             | dennis_jeeves wrote:
             | Not quite. Investigate the work of John Mew. ( considered a
             | quack by mainstream, I think, though I personally I find
             | him credible)
        
             | mtalantikite wrote:
             | It's understandable to feel that way, particularly since a
             | lot of the formal breathing exercises we know in the west
             | come from yoga practices which are thousands of years old
             | and have all sorts of metaphysics tied up in them. But it
             | doesn't seem too hard to believe that having a nasal cavity
             | to regulate air temperature, block dust, increase moisture,
             | etc would be beneficial to the lungs.
             | 
             | Here is one somewhat extreme experiment on rats that showed
             | continual mouth breathing had negative cognitive effects
             | [1]. There is also research that has correlated nasal cycle
             | dominance to different cognitive functions [2]. I'm not
             | totally sure about the covid-19 links this paper makes, but
             | it's interesting to note the sinuses help create nitric
             | oxide and NO plays a wide range of biological roles [3].
             | 
             | Personally, I do pranayama every morning before seated
             | meditation as well as right before bed and find it to have
             | great emotional benefits if nothing else.
             | 
             | [1] https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/josnusd/61/1/61_18
             | -0006...
             | 
             | [2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8063547/
             | 
             | [3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7200356/
        
               | __blockcipher__ wrote:
               | The COVID-19 link is very plausible btw, inhaled NO has
               | been researched as a COVID-19 therapy. (It just happens
               | that that's one of the less interesting benefits /
               | effects of nose breathing)
               | 
               | I have to imagine that these days putting some silly link
               | to COVID-19 makes it easier to publish, at least based
               | off the increase of incredibly poor quality papers I've
               | seen published : P
        
             | Jedd wrote:
             | > ... the "only breathe through your nose" crowd always
             | seemed a little woo-woo.
             | 
             | Can highly recommend 'Breath' by James Nestor, for some
             | science-focused, non-woo look at the practice.
             | 
             | (I'm about 3/4 the way through it -- so I can't _guarantee_
             | woo-free content in last quarter, but based on
             | extrapolation we should be fine. :)
        
           | AnotherGoodName wrote:
           | Note that the difference between air from your nose and mouth
           | is that your nose has hairs and a sinus system that warms and
           | filters air. With a system like the above you essentially are
           | doing the same thing.
        
           | gameswithgo wrote:
           | When one is working out sufficiently hard, everyone breathes
           | through their mouth.
        
             | Nimitz14 wrote:
             | Boxers don't. Is that hard enough for you?
        
               | [deleted]
        
               | rimunroe wrote:
               | Can you explain what you mean? I'm fairly certain I've
               | seen footage of exhausted boxers breathing through their
               | mouths
        
               | jniedrauer wrote:
               | You can't train above your ventilatory threshold while
               | nose breathing, and boxers are definitely training above
               | that level of intensity, at least for short burts.
               | Fighting is anaerobic.
        
               | ipaddr wrote:
               | Aerobic - with air.
        
               | steve_adams_86 wrote:
               | Are you saying boxing is purely aerobic, or that
               | anaerobic includes the word aerobic which means "with
               | air"? I'm not picking up your intention either way.
               | Boxing is a high intensity exercise which would at points
               | be anaerobic.
        
               | Nimitz14 wrote:
               | I was a bit flippant, yes sometimes you have to breathe
               | through the mouth but whenever possible one breathes
               | through nose.
        
               | rconti wrote:
               | Hence the "sufficiently hard" qualification
        
         | satya71 wrote:
         | From their webpage:
         | 
         | > LUNG PLUS IS NOT FOR ANYONE PARTICIPATING IN CONTACT SPORTS,
         | SLEDDING, DOWNHILL SKIING, SNOWMOBILING, SNOWBOARDING, ETC!!
        
           | jodrellblank wrote:
           | Cross country skiing isn't downhill skiing.
        
             | jimbob45 wrote:
             | Cross country skiing _can_ be downhill skiing but downhill
             | skiing can never be XC skiing.
        
               | sojournerc wrote:
               | Not so. Telemark skis are made for both hiking and
               | downhill.
               | 
               | Also going downhill on cross country skis is much
               | different as there is no metal edge.
        
           | matsemann wrote:
           | Yes, so cross country / nordic skiing is fine (it's what it's
           | made for, downhill skiing is something completely different
           | than xc). Same for running, it's fine. Basically all cardio
           | it works great. You just don't want something to bump it into
           | your teeth. For the dangerous downhill slopes when xc skiing
           | I just spit it out first if I feel the need to play it safe
           | (attached to a lanyard).
        
             | serf wrote:
             | I mean, I guess it's fine -- but i've witnessed people fall
             | flat on their face through a variety of winter sports; I
             | definitely wouldn't want anything bulkier than a mouthguard
             | in place if that were to happen to myself.
        
         | throwavay123321 wrote:
         | I cycle year-round and have no issues with the winter air since
         | I found the right mask [1]. Strongly disagree with the not
         | dorky looking, I get sniggers and Darth Vader comments all the
         | time. Foggy glasses mostly aren't a problem since I use skiing
         | glasses. The mask makes breathing just a bit harder, but I can
         | fully fill the lungs with each breath without any pain. I wear
         | this mask up to around 5 degrees C if the air is dry, and have
         | used it without any problems at -15C (where footwear started
         | being an issue).
         | 
         | [1] https://coldavenger.com/
        
         | smichel17 wrote:
         | Tbh, I often regard a "bad" (aka out of fashion) webpage like
         | this as a positive indicator when it comes to physical
         | products. It can be an indicator of a company where product
         | matters more than marketing.
         | 
         | Lots of caveats, of course. E.g. this does not hold in b2b
         | products or anywhere with strong lock-in. Also, it tends to be
         | a better signal when it comes to mature products.
        
       | nate_meurer wrote:
       | I regularly run in sub-zero temperatures, and I've never
       | experienced this. My coldest run this year was around -10 F, for
       | an hour. I couldn't tell any difference the next day.
       | 
       | I'm guessing there must be physiological differences that make
       | some people's lungs more or less vulnerable to the cold.
        
         | opportune wrote:
         | I think that must be it. Personally I get these symptoms even
         | when I run in the 50s or low 60s, and am previously diagnosed
         | with exercise-induced asthma (as a kid. Now I only very rarely
         | get symptoms except in the cold.)
        
         | mns wrote:
         | I'm running for around 14 years already and I never experienced
         | this. My limit is around -20C, which is probably around -10F.
         | Could be also that if you live in an area with harsher winters,
         | somehow you gradually get used to the climate. It does seem
         | weird, because years ago when I tried running with a scarf, it
         | was seen like a bad thing for your health in the running
         | community as all the humidity and whatever else accumulated in
         | the cloth can be bad for you. How things change...
        
         | matsemann wrote:
         | It's something building after prolonged/multiple times. And
         | runners are often not outside nearly as long as XC skiers. My
         | runs are seldom much longer than an hour, and they start
         | outside my door. XC sessions in the weekend are 30+ KMs and for
         | me also includes long times outside getting to the tracks.
         | Edit: also humidity probably plays a big role.
        
         | loeg wrote:
         | Also, elite nordic skiers have amazing VO2max (even in
         | comparison with elite athletes in other sports). They can't be
         | doing _that_ much damage to their lungs.
         | 
         | (I've also run in somewhat cold conditions -- maybe 15-20F --
         | and while there is some acclimatization needed, it was fine.)
        
       | ryanmarsh wrote:
       | Anyone here stationed at Ft. Drum want to share stories? I recall
       | jokes of coughing up blood after morning PT runs in sub zero
       | temps.
        
       | ip26 wrote:
       | Nose breathing makes a big difference in such conditions.
       | Although, to be sure, athletes are not going to restrict
       | themselves to nose only on race day.
        
         | elric wrote:
         | Why not? I can't think of many sports where mouth breathing
         | makes sense, except anything that involves swimming where you
         | have a very limited window to get air down your lungs.
        
           | matsemann wrote:
           | Can't get enough air through nose only when exercising hard.
        
       | raldi wrote:
       | Does this have anything to do with the mystery of why runners get
       | side cramps in cold air?
        
       | ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote:
       | A very important function of the mouth is to moisten the air you
       | breath because breathing dry air will kill you. When mechanical
       | ventilators were invented they would destroy the patient's
       | airways by drying them out which is why they now come with
       | humidifiers.
        
         | JPKab wrote:
         | Breathing through the nose is ideal. The mouth is a poor
         | substitute.
        
           | ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote:
           | Yes, the nose has its own process to moisten and warm the
           | air. The point is, if you bypass either orifices the dryness
           | will mess you up.
        
           | crazygringo wrote:
           | The mouth works great when you're working out hard enough
           | that it's physically impossible to exchange enough air
           | through your narrow nostrils.
           | 
           | The mouth isn't a poor substitute. It's an adaptive advantage
           | to be used as required.
        
       | jdlyga wrote:
       | I had first period gym in the 90s, and they made us run outside
       | in the freezing cold to warm up every day. Killed my interest in
       | running for decades.
        
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